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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: b23 on February 16, 2024, 04:12:32 PM
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What is this big obsession from Parky about wanting/needing crowds of over 2500? I understand the financial benefits but surely the increase in crowd numbers over recent years has been excellent. There must be a limit on what we can expect to get in on a match by match basis. I really hope we get more regular attendees and not just for big games etc. Every club has a core support and ours has not been this high for ages. The football deserves big crowds so lets hope and they stay around for years to come
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Current average is 2,201, with further increase and Oldham still to come we may be closing in on 2.5 very soon .
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What is this big obsession from Parky about wanting/needing crowds of over 2500? I understand the financial benefits but surely the increase in crowd numbers over recent years has been excellent. There must be a limit on what we can expect to get in on a match by match basis. I really hope we get more regular attendees and not just for big games etc. Every club has a core support and ours has not been this high for ages. The football deserves big crowds so lets hope and they stay around for years to come
What do you mean? Crowds are everything, especially at our level. He acknowledges the amazing rise in crowds but wants to push for more. We've got to keep pushing forward and I think that's what he's trying to get across, especially if we want to be a competitive football league club. This is already a special season, let's get as many people from around the town and area to see it. We might even retain some who become regular supporters.
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I think continuous improvement is in Phil Parkinson's DNA, so it doesn't surprise me that he sees opportunities to improve every aspect of the club. The next two months could potentially be the biggest in our history, so it's quite understandable that he's looking to galvanise everybody.
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If the town isn't capable of drawing 3.5k crowds with it's catchment area I'd be surprised honestly.
We're only just now really managing to raise town center awareness and better facilities would certainly draw in those expecting a more premier league feel to ameneties etc.
2.5k I think is realistic while the product is as good as it is and the ground is what it is. The advantages of bigger crowds are obviously more money in the bank for Alex Newby types when we already have Olly Crankshaw on the books out of action.
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Are we all delusional?? What crowds have we got over the past 10 years or beyond?Every club has an ultimate crowd potential. Why have we not got more crowds over the years? I fear we are being bamboozled. If we do not get promoted how many will we get next season? Not 2500 for sure even week..Mark my words. Nice ambition but not realistic
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Not sure crowds would diminish if we didn't get promoted but were pushing for a po spot next season
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I think you're missing the point slightly. For me, it's about maintaining a sense of momentum and capitalising on the feelgood factor which currently exists at the club. Yes, I was there 20 years ago when we were getting 400 at home in the Unibond League. What is happening now was unthinkable back then, when we could only dream of getting 1000 through the gate, let alone 2000. It's all about looking for marginal gains, that is a huge part of the philosophy.
As you quite rightly suggest, crowds could easily drop again next season, but I think in this moment that we are in, it is understandable to issue a call to arms, because there is just a chance that we might be playing in front of bigger crowds in a higher league.
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It's also nice to see the club get back it's ambition that it had during the late 70's and early 80's. I for one experienced the positivity of the club both then and now. It has been a long time coming, but everything about the club now is positive and Phil is right to capitalise on it.
If we get promoted - and I mean IF - we need the fan infastructure for the division 2. We are capable of getting more than we currently have attending and the fanbase will increase anyway. We are more than capable of 4000+ crowds in division 2, but all Phil is doing is encouraging a rallying call with the fans, I think he is right. It is a good time to do so as we face the run-in. The pressure is not on us as we have more than achieved what we set out to do, the pressure is on the teams such as Oldham who are expected to do well. The club have never tasted league football and I for one, did not expect this during my lifetime, but here we are again. With a superb management, board, investors and a squad capable of achieving what a few years ago would have been a pipedream.
We should support and believe in them, not believe it is beyond our realms. We are already behind the club, but let's all join in the push for something that with past disappointments we are very capable of achieving.
Well said Phil!!
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Are we all delusional?? What crowds have we got over the past 10 years or beyond?Every club has an ultimate crowd potential. Why have we not got more crowds over the years? I fear we are being bamboozled. If we do not get promoted how many will we get next season? Not 2500 for sure even week..Mark my words. Nice ambition but not realistic
Plenty will come back next year if we don't get promoted because they will be coming because of the product and the continued optimism they have experienced this year. Only a catastrophic drop in form will see the crowds drop hugely.
The increase in fans is not an Altrincham exclusive thing. The growth of lower league football crowds is all over the pyramid; however, if you want to keep the floating fans longer term, they will want a few things we just don't offer with current facilities, and that will be why they don't come week in and week out.
Also, if you think the club isn't doing new things to gain awareness than they were doing 10 years ago you are missing a beat. Radio Alty, Alty TV, Altrincham Today, Great Social Media Presence, and High Street store are all essentially worlds away from the 1990s club site and black and white match photos outside the ground we had before then.
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Are we all delusional?? What crowds have we got over the past 10 years or beyond?Every club has an ultimate crowd potential. Why have we not got more crowds over the years? I fear we are being bamboozled. If we do not get promoted how many will we get next season? Not 2500 for sure even week..Mark my words. Nice ambition but not realistic
Consistent attendances of 2000 plus was delusional thinking in the NPL season when we were regularly still getting crowds 500-600 and that was only a few years ago. We’ve also never been as successful as we are now (certainly in the last 25 years anyway)
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He was asking people who are all ready regular fans of Alty. They need to aim their request at the non attenders
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I took it that he was asking regular attenders to bring their friends along to try and get them hooked.
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Are we all delusional?? What crowds have we got over the past 10 years or beyond?Every club has an ultimate crowd potential. Why have we not got more crowds over the years? I fear we are being bamboozled. If we do not get promoted how many will we get next season? Not 2500 for sure even week..Mark my words. Nice ambition but not realistic
Consistent attendances of 2000 plus was delusional thinking in the NPL season when we were regularly still getting crowds 500-600 and that was only a few years ago. We’ve also never been as successful as we are now (certainly in the last 25 years anyway)
Spot on. If we can average 2,100 for two seasons when we were far closer to the relegation battle then the play offs, then thinking a PO chasing side can average 2,500 is a realistic ambition IMO. Parky is enormously respected at our level now & his words carry weight so I’m glad he’s put this out. The club is not going back to 650 in the Unibond League & we have a new reality & ceiling now with more to come.
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Average crowd of 2295 for the season if football web pages have included today.Best for 50 plus years ?
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/attendances
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Average crowd of 2295 for the season if football web pages have included today.Best for 50 plus years ?
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/attendances
I calculate that the average attendance for our 23 league games this season is 2,339.
Last season it was 2,114.
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Thats a great increase and believe away attendee's are down on last season, so even more amazing.
Interesting to see how much down.
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With the coaches (non refundable) being full and tickets selling fast, is anyone else (non season ticket holder) concerned they may not get a ticket for this when they go on general sale tomorrow?
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With the coaches (non refundable) being full and tickets selling fast, is anyone else (non season ticket holder) concerned they may not get a ticket for this when they go on general sale tomorrow?
Allocation of 800 has been mentioned ?
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I thought it was 650+50. Apparently we'd sold nearly 400 an hour ago. Not looking great for those without tickets.
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Not looking great for those without tickets.
Especially as it's All Ticket 🎫!
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Average crowd of 2295 for the season if football web pages have included today.Best for 50 plus years ?
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/attendances
I calculate that the average attendance for our 23 league games this season is 2,339.
You are right ,must have been without the Oxford attendance. Now stated as 2340
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/attendances
Last season it was 2,114.
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Average crowd of 2295 for the season if football web pages have included today.Best for 50 plus years ?
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/attendances
I calculate that the average attendance for our 23 league games this season is 2,339.
Last season it was 2,114.
Absolutely superb. Must have grown by about 1,500 since Parkys first season. Imagine even 2-3 years ago telling someone we’d get 3,300 in for a home game against Oxford City. If we are still a NL team next season then think we must aim for a 2,500 average. Think we could be less secretive about our ST sales & really push that too. No reason we shouldn’t have 1000 in August.The big elephant in the room of course is that with growing attendances must come improved spectating facilities off the pitch. Especially if the unthinkable happens…
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With the coaches (non refundable) being full and tickets selling fast, is anyone else (non season ticket holder) concerned they may not get a ticket for this when they go on general sale tomorrow?
Everyone who wants one will get one is still my view. I suspect a lot of non ST-holders & LoyALTY members have been sorted out today by mates with the right accesses. We’ve still got another 300 to sell. Think people have just got a bit giddy because we are not used to this kind of scenario. Does show people for a club who expect to be banging on the door of the EFL that there’s every incentive to buy a ST.
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Yes. I wonder how many season ticket 🎫 holders we have currently?
Surely the figure would be much higher than previously - and certainly I thought we could have "swanked" about it to encourage more to buy them.
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I think there will be some available at 12:30 as everyone that was able to sort one would have done it by now - this morning won't change things.
A lot of more enterprising non-ST holders will have been sorted amongst that lot too.
Wouldn't wait much beyond 12:30 though!
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Well, I'm without and waiting for 12.30.
Talking of season tickets I spotted on Facebook that Chesterfield have already sold 4000 season tickets for next season. Good support.
I also saw on facebook a post about the attendances in the late eighties. Most of the Div 4 clubs were surviving on fewer than 3000 fans. Even Wimbledon in the 1st Div only averaged 7000. How times change.
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Just wondering if those non-ST holders who bought tickets for the ‘Fax game will be offered Bromley ticket rather than a refund. ?
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Just wondering if those non-ST holders who bought tickets for the ‘Fax game will be offered Bromley ticket rather than a refund. ?
That's a great imaginative idea 💡.
Not sure if we've got the organisation (with a small "o") to be able to do that. I'd think it would be more difficult than it at first seems.
PS you know me though - I could be totally wrong 🙄 😊
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I would think the logic behind the no refund policy was to prevent anyone taking up a seat and then at the death changing their minds and leaving a seat vacant that could have been sold to someone else.
I don't think the 300 left will move as quickly as the first 400 because STH could buy two tickets each.
I'd like to think we wouldn't be insisting anyone travel to Bromley without having a match ticket through no fault of their own because they are sold out.
To show no consideration to someone in that position who is already disappointed wouldn't be best practice.
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I think we're around the 500 point at this stage.
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Well, I have my tickets now (thank God) but does anyone know if a 4th or indeed 5th coach has been put on yet? Would struggle to get there driving I think.
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I am waiting for the same news!!
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Ticket purchased - see you all Sunday - get the voices ready
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Managed to get a ticket 539. Says go to Entrance 1 which is different to the normal away terrace.
I see home fans tickets have sold out
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Says go to Entrance 1 which is different to the normal away terrace.
Mine says that too.
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As does mine. But it also says that away fans go in by entrance 3 a bit further down.
As entrance 1 is the opposite corner from where we'll be, I think that we're likely to be going in entrance 3 in reality.