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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Longman on January 30, 2008, 09:20:28 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7217085.stm
I am personally outraged! As a proud Englishman and childhood memories of Butcher being a staunch patriot for his country (something which we sadly lack in today's set up!) he goes and just dismisses his Englishness in such a blatant way! Imagine if this was the other way around and a Scotsman was saying he's sing God Save The Queen and he would want Scotland to lose etc, he would be lynched on the streets on Dundee!!!!
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There are a few Scottish pundits (Gordon McQueen to name but one) who are also discumknockerated by this appointment.
I have no problem with it in the same way I have no problem with Capello managing England.
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Traiter= End of!
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On fron Jennifer's Dad's argument then: Is Capello a traitor to Italy?
If Butcher is not going to get a job with England, why shouldn't he work with his old pal & team-mate Burley for Scotland? If Scotland beat England it will be because Scotland will have been the better team.
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On fron Jennifer's Dad's argument then: Is Capello a traitor to Italy?
If Butcher is not going to get a job with England, why shouldn't he work with his old pal & team-mate Burley for Scotland? If Scotland beat England it will be because Scotland will have been the better team.
I feel you are missing the point here, firstly we are talking about Scotland, the auld enemy, they hate us with a passion!! And we don't tend to like them either! Also Butcher is saying he want's Scotland to win and that we would sing the anthem etc, there is no way a Scotsman would do this!
I feel really strongly about this, as I am a big Engalnd fan as well as an Alty one!
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Storm in a teacup.
Of course you want the team you train and put all your effort into to win. Why does it mean he cares any less about England?
Ive never seen what all the fuss is about with England to be honest. They're dissapointing every time and people seem to purposely act more bothered about it all than they actually are. Club level is where it counts for me.
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On fron Jennifer's Dad's argument then: Is Capello a traitor to Italy?
If Butcher is not going to get a job with England, why shouldn't he work with his old pal & team-mate Burley for Scotland? If Scotland beat England it will be because Scotland will have been the better team.
I feel you are missing the point here, firstly we are talking about Scotland, the auld enemy, they hate us with a passion!! And we don't tend to like them either! Also Butcher is saying he want's Scotland to win and that we would sing the anthem etc, there is no way a Scotsman would do this!
I feel really strongly about this, as I am a big Engalnd fan as well as an Alty one!
Most Scots hate the English arrogance when it comes to the national team. They hate the media hype, the "God given expectation" that England should win every match, the mention of 1966 every time we play and Ian Wright, but there are many who like England to be 2nd best to Scotland or have a non-antagonistic rivalry - like to see us lose, but through nothing more than as a rivalry. A comparison would be wanting Vics to stay in the BSP - even if it is just so we can beat them next season too.
The Scots don't want another Vogts, but want to be successful whoever is in charge.
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I can't be bothered hating Scotland. The real enemy is Germany. Scotland are no more important than Bolivia or Paraguay. They are just a silly little country near the north pole.
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I can't be bothered hating Scotland. The real enemy is Germany. Scotland are no more important than Bolivia or Paraguay. They are just a silly little country near the north pole.
HA HA HA, Brilliant.
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just another asylum seeker, dont get what the big deal is, paul scholes and halve the england team never sang g.s.a.queen, anyway what is are identity? ist the queen partly german or something? times are changing rapidly
You did ask my opinion!!!
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No one else will give him a job and a man has got to eat
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At least their manager is from there country we had to get ours from bleading italy dats wot state our countries managers are in but theres nothing wrong with capello da guys a genious.He going to win us sumet world cup would be nice. But no agree england to scotlandjust doesn't happen i'm english and proud. butcher u unpatriotic person stay up there >:( >:(
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I've no interest in the national team at all, couldn't give a stuff.
Fine post James, keep up the good work! ::)
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Well after his managerial time in Australia when he coached the reigning champions Sydney FC i dont think England have a lot to worry about . He was hated by the players , made them play really unattractive football and they missed the playoffs ...and he ended up getting the sack....
He is getting paid by the Scottish FA to help coach Scotland cant see why he is going to say he wants oppostion teams to win just because he represented them ?.....
There are so many players who have been internationals through tenous links in their familly (my second cousins grandmother is irish)that i cant see its that big an issue...personally i think that Scotland could have done a lot better that Butcher ...he was absolute toilet coaching Sydney FC ....
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Looks like he hasn't yet got over the head injury
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International football is pointless. Sure everyone knows my views on it.
Baffles me that everyone hates clubs and shouts abuse at players for 90mins and then support them in an England shirt. Makes no sense.
Ohhh Rooonnneeyy Roonneeeyyy during the summer and then he's a fat scouse prick for the rest of the year.
If a Macclesfield or Northwich player was to ever play for England I could never cheer for them, its pathetic how people can be so two faced though. Plus add to that the England are very average and have about 2 worlds class players and when the Worlds Cup or Euro Champs (when they qualify) are on all little Englanders appear from nowhere knowing nothing about football... Proven when they boo players within 10mins of a game.... Altho must admit it is a little amusing listening to people talk utter rubbish about things whilst wearing their grey Euro 96 shirt on or World Cup 86 one !!
Club football for me 100% .. Football is for life not just 'the Summer'
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International football is pointless. Sure everyone knows my views on it.
Baffles me that everyone hates clubs and shouts abuse at players for 90mins and then support them in an England shirt. Makes no sense.
Ohhh Rooonnneeyy Roonneeeyyy during the summer and then he's a fat scouse prick for the rest of the year.
If a Macclesfield or Northwich player was to ever play for England I could never cheer for them, its pathetic how people can be so two faced though. Plus add to that the England are very average and have about 2 worlds class players and when the Worlds Cup or Euro Champs (when they qualify) are on all little Englanders appear from nowhere knowing nothing about football... Proven when they boo players within 10mins of a game.... Altho must admit it is a little amusing listening to people talk utter rubbish about things whilst wearing their grey Euro 96 shirt on or World Cup 86 one !!
Club football for me 100% .. Football is for life not just 'the Summer'
You say all this but I bet my bottom dollar you were watching when we were knocked out on pens V Portugal, or when Brasil knocked us out of the World Cup with Ronaldino's fluke! If we were to win the World Cup in 2010 you would be jumping around and bragging about it etc just as much as the next man! I am an England fan just as much as an Alty fan, that doesn't make me any less of an Alty fan, I am just proud to be English, something that we sadly lack in this country. We seem embarrased to be proud of our heritage, whereas the Scots, Welsh and Irish embrace it and celebrate it! It's something I find frustrating to be honest.
Also Gaz, surely saying you couldn't cheer a Macc player playing for England is a bit rich considering we've got one on loan right now!!!!!!!!!!!
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Also Gaz, surely saying you couldn't cheer a Macc player playing for England is a bit rich considering we've got one on loan right now!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said, I was going to make exactly the same point. It's the same thing when a player leaves Alty and goes to Macc or vice-versa. That and the fact that not all those who support Rooney in an England shirt hate him in a United one....sweeping brush of generalisation there Gary.
There are plenty of people who "appearfrom nowhere" when Alty have a good cup run and may even be classed as knowing nothing about football. What are we to do turn them away at the turnstiles because they're sunshine glory hunters? I don't think so.
Also, there are people who talk rubbish and boo after ten minutes or so and may be considered clueless at all levels of the game (including ours). Hardly the exclusive preserve of international football followers.
So you think international football is pointless Gary? Well that's fair enough as you're highly subjective point of view and you are clearly entitled to that, but none of your 'arguments' against it hold any water.
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International football is pointless. Sure everyone knows my views on it.
Baffles me that everyone hates clubs and shouts abuse at players for 90mins and then support them in an England shirt. Makes no sense.
Ohhh Rooonnneeyy Roonneeeyyy during the summer and then he's a fat scouse prick for the rest of the year.
If a Macclesfield or Northwich player was to ever play for England I could never cheer for them, its pathetic how people can be so two faced though. Plus add to that the England are very average and have about 2 worlds class players and when the Worlds Cup or Euro Champs (when they qualify) are on all little Englanders appear from nowhere knowing nothing about football... Proven when they boo players within 10mins of a game.... Altho must admit it is a little amusing listening to people talk utter rubbish about things whilst wearing their grey Euro 96 shirt on or World Cup 86 one !!
Club football for me 100% .. Football is for life not just 'the Summer'
You say all this but I bet my bottom dollar you were watching when we were knocked out on pens V Portugal, or when Brasil knocked us out of the World Cup with Ronaldino's fluke! If we were to win the World Cup in 2010 you would be jumping around and bragging about it etc just as much as the next man! I am an England fan just as much as an Alty fan, that doesn't make me any less of an Alty fan, I am just proud to be English, something that we sadly lack in this country. We seem embarrased to be proud of our heritage, whereas the Scots, Welsh and Irish embrace it and celebrate it! It's something I find frustrating to be honest.
Also Gaz, surely saying you couldn't cheer a Macc player playing for England is a bit rich considering we've got one on loan right now!!!!!!!!!!!
knowing gary i wouldn't take that bet if i were you, i doubt very highly he would
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International football is pointless. Sure everyone knows my views on it.
Baffles me that everyone hates clubs and shouts abuse at players for 90mins and then support them in an England shirt. Makes no sense.
Ohhh Rooonnneeyy Roonneeeyyy during the summer and then he's a fat scouse prick for the rest of the year.
If a Macclesfield or Northwich player was to ever play for England I could never cheer for them, its pathetic how people can be so two faced though. Plus add to that the England are very average and have about 2 worlds class players and when the Worlds Cup or Euro Champs (when they qualify) are on all little Englanders appear from nowhere knowing nothing about football... Proven when they boo players within 10mins of a game.... Altho must admit it is a little amusing listening to people talk utter rubbish about things whilst wearing their grey Euro 96 shirt on or World Cup 86 one !!
Club football for me 100% .. Football is for life not just 'the Summer'
You say all this but I bet my bottom dollar you were watching when we were knocked out on pens V Portugal, or when Brasil knocked us out of the World Cup with Ronaldino's fluke! If we were to win the World Cup in 2010 you would be jumping around and bragging about it etc just as much as the next man! I am an England fan just as much as an Alty fan, that doesn't make me any less of an Alty fan, I am just proud to be English, something that we sadly lack in this country. We seem embarrased to be proud of our heritage, whereas the Scots, Welsh and Irish embrace it and celebrate it! It's something I find frustrating to be honest.
Also Gaz, surely saying you couldn't cheer a Macc player playing for England is a bit rich considering we've got one on loan right now!!!!!!!!!!!
knowing gary i wouldn't take that bet if i were you, i doubt very highly he would
I defy any Englishman not to be ecstatic if we were to win the World Cup again! :P
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"CAGED TIGERS!"
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"CAGED TIGERS!"
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100% with GW, and I made the same point earlier in this thread. England are so unimportant to me , even if as someone said they were in a world cup final it would be a temporary diversion, but not a life changing moment. England are boring, frustrating and pointless to watch. It brings every lowlife T**t in the area to your local if its shown, and causes more Police incidents then New Years Eve.
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This resentment of other nations making use of their players ancestry amazes me. England have for decades made use of players that not only were not born here, but in many instances have no English blood in them whatsoever - Colin Viljoen, Brian Stein, Cyril Regis, Tony Dorigo and John Barnes spring to mind. Half the present Cricket team was not born here and the English Rugby team has taken the same advantage. The only Irish Sportsman without Irish blood in him is Jack Charlton who actually became an Irish Citizen after managing the Republic of Ireland at Football and went on to represent Ireland as a participant at a World Cup in another sport.
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Couldn't give a monkey's about England.
I find it disappointing when Alty fans don't get behind their own players, but England fans take the biscuit! Booing Lampard, Crouch and others before they've touched the ball has to be the ultimate in stupidity, and I've got to say those kind of fans deserve the dissapointment that comes with supporting England.
The best was an England fan being interviewed during the World Cup in Germany saying how crap Hargreaves was and that he should p*ss off back home. I won't point out the irony in that comment - if you don't get, well... you don't get it! ::)
I'd love to know what some of you England fans are so "proud"about and what our 'heritage' is exactly? The hooligans maybe? I think that's about the only thing we've ever been good at, at an international level, and now the East Europeans are doing it better! ::)
Club football is what matters
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Must admit, the only sport I follow England at is Rugby Unon. I gave up on football a long time ago, because it was so dissapointing. Also, I realised, I could be stood at alty instead of sat at home watching the crap england put on. Before anyone mentions anything, I have watched English Rugby for a few years now, not just caught World Cup fever.
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Couldn't give a monkey's about England.
I find it disappointing when Alty fans don't get behind their own players, but England fans take the biscuit! Booing Lampard, Crouch and others before they've touched the ball has to be the ultimate in stupidity, and I've got to say those kind of fans deserve the dissapointment that comes with supporting England.
The best was an England fan being interviewed during the World Cup in Germany saying how crap Hargreaves was and that he should p*ss off back home. I won't point out the irony in that comment - if you don't get, well... you don't get it! ::)
I'd love to know what some of you England fans are so "proud"about and what our 'heritage' is exactly? The hooligans maybe? I think that's about the only thing we've ever been good at, at an international level, and now the East Europeans are doing it better! ::)
Club football is what matters
Starjammer - Let me assure you I completely agree with you about the moronic "fans" who boo Lampard etc, they are the docile idiots across the country who unfortunately come out for England, let me assure you however they're are PLENTY OF LOYAL AND KNOWLEDGEBLE ENGLAND FANS, as for not supporting them because some fans behave idiotically well that's your choice, but at the end of the day it's not like club football where you can choose your team, if you are English you are English, therfore I am an England fan!!
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This resentment of other nations making use of their players ancestry amazes me. England have for decades made use of players that not only were not born here, but in many instances have no English blood in them whatsoever - Colin Viljoen, Brian Stein, Cyril Regis, Tony Dorigo and John Barnes spring to mind. Half the present Cricket team was not born here and the English Rugby team has taken the same advantage. The only Irish Sportsman without Irish blood in him is Jack Charlton who actually became an Irish Citizen after managing the Republic of Ireland at Football and went on to represent Ireland as a participant at a World Cup in another sport.
Redhill Alty - I think you have completely missed the point here, what ancestory has Terry Butcher got with Scotland????? He was England captain and is now assistant manager of Scotland saying he would happily sing the Scottish national anthem!! You would NEVER get a reverse of that with a former Scottish captain doing the same! This is nothing to do with "blood" or "ancestory"!!!??!!?
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I think if I watched every England game at home without actually having to be near people who live in this country I'd be more enthusiastic about the football team. The Rugby, I'll be there and the (Test) cricket I've followed to the ends of the earth. The national footy team? Such a circus that I'm disinterested, shame really as World Cups in the 80's had me hooked.
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Longman, you are wrong as a Scotsman has actually been Assistant Manager of England - John Gorman was Glenn Hoddle's second in command. He was also entitled to sing that song that England teams persist in using as an anthem, as its not the English Anthem but officially the British National Anthem. I have heard that Anthem sung by Scotsmen, albiet Rangers Supporters who were described by their own club Captain as "moronic".
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Longman, you are wrong as a Scotsman has actually been Assistant Manager of England - John Gorman was Glenn Hoddle's second in command. He was also entitled to sing that song that England teams persist in using as an anthem, as its not the English Anthem but officially the British National Anthem. I have heard that Anthem sung by Scotsmen, albiet Rangers Supporters who were described by their own club Captain as "moronic".
Errrm correct me if i'm wrong but John Gorman was not Scotland captain!? Also God Save The Queen is the British anthem, John Gorman is a "brit" therefore he technically should sing it. HOWEVER Terry Butcher is NOT Scottish therefore "Flower Of Scotland" has no connection with him!!!
As for the Rangers fans' that's a completely different situation, we are getting into religious politics there!
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Re: National anthems:
England should sing Land of Hope and Glory instead of GSTQ as it is far more stirring and uniquely English.
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Re: National anthems:
England should sing Land of Hope and Glory instead of GSTQ as it is far more stirring and uniquely English.
It is indeed a very passionate and moving piece of music.
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100% with GW, and I made the same point earlier in this thread. England are so unimportant to me , even if as someone said they were in a world cup final it would be a temporary diversion, but not a life changing moment. England are boring, frustrating and pointless to watch. It brings every lowlife T**t in the area to your local if its shown, and causes more Police incidents then New Years Eve.
Yes, but GW's point was about international football in general and you can't tar every nation with an English brush (although I'm sure some would like to try).