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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on September 21, 2015, 11:44:57 AM
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Sigh...
http://www.hednesfordtownfc.com/2015/09/midfielder-included-in-england-c-contingency-squad
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Undoubtedly a popular player here; any shortcomings he did have last season weren't for lack of effort. I wish we'd have kept faith in him for longer, I really do.
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Why would you want to keep Williams when we brought in class acts like okeefe Sinnott and Griffiths
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The decision to release Sean is just looking rather stupid right now. Good luck to the lad anyway.
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Why would you want to keep Williams when we brought in class acts like okeefe Sinnott and Griffiths
Exactly. There's too much criticism on this forum of the manager's decisions and tactics. He can't help it if he's run out of talent and sons.
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I'm pleased for him - however, I have to say I didn't mourn his departure as I felt he wasn't up to Conference standard. On the other hand, someone to emulate his endeavour would be an asset - and certainly if O'Keefe is to be regarded as his replacement current evidence suggests we haven't got much of a bargain there.
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Duncan Watmore being released by Utd. Different scale, same issues. There's a limit on resources so decisions have to be made to concentrate on those players that will contribute most. Most are found to be the correct call, every now and then time proves a mistake has been made. Frustrating yes, but also inevitable every now and then.
Good luck to Sean.
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Duncan Watmore being released by Utd. Different scale, same issues. There's a limit on resources so decisions have to be made to concentrate on those players that will contribute most. Most are found to be the correct call, every now and then time proves a mistake has been made. Frustrating yes, but also inevitable every now and then.
Good luck to Sean.
I'm not sure United are having many sleepless nights about releasing Watmore. He wouldn't be anywhere near the United team.
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The decision to release Sean is just looking rather stupid right now. Good luck to the lad anyway.
To be fair it looked stupid at the time!
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Sean Williams, apart from a lot of hustle and bustle, contributed very little. I don't remember much in the way of goals coming as a result of his possession, and I can't even recall if he scored a single goal, although I could be wrong in that.
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Clearly the manager never rated Sean.
When he did play he was invariably the first to be substituted a decision that I and the fans who stand around me often found incomprehensible.
It's a pity Sean wasn't granted the same degree of support and patience a number of other young players have been shown.
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Oh what I would have given for a bit of Sean's hustle and bustle last Saturday Hale Alty.
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Sean Williams made 25 starts and a further 12 substitute appearances last year, which was more than Ryan Crowther (19 + 17) and comparable to Peter Cavanagh (30 + 6) and Nicky Clee (32 + 6). Admittedly Cavanagh and Clee missed games due to injury (and suspension!) but you get the picture.
I'm with roytonmike and Hale Alty here. Yes, lots of effort, but lots of poor passes followed by him chasing after the ball he'd just lost. If you remember the "Choose Alty" poster, with all the Youtube links embedded, Sean Williams's vignette was actually the goal he scored for Colwyn Bay against us.
IMO, a classic case of him becoming better now he's gone.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Sean Williams, apart from a lot of hustle and bustle, contributed very little. I don't remember much in the way of goals coming as a result of his possession, and I can't even recall if he scored a single goal, although I could be wrong in that.
in my opinion it's not hindsight I thought he was decent enough last season but that's opinions are best run last season he was in the team that maybe a coincidence
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Sean Williams made 25 starts and a further 12 substitute appearances last year, which was more than Ryan Crowther (19 + 17) and comparable to Peter Cavanagh (30 + 6) and Nicky Clee (32 + 6). Admittedly Cavanagh and Clee missed games due to injury (and suspension!) but you get the picture.
I'm with roytonmike and Hale Alty here. Yes, lots of effort, but lots of poor passes followed by him chasing after the ball he'd just lost. If you remember the "Choose Alty" poster, with all the Youtube links embedded, Sean Williams's vignette was actually the goal he scored for Colwyn Bay against us.
IMO, a classic case of him becoming better now he's gone.
Alty's version of Diego Forlan then?
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Why would you want to keep Williams when we brought in class acts like okeefe Sinnott and Griffiths
Exactly. There's too much criticism on this forum of the manager's decisions and tactics. He can't help it if he's run out of talent and sons.
Promise me you're certain he's run out of sons.
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I had no problems with Sean being released at the time.
I thought that if the club is to make incremental improvements each season (not so much as 20/20 straight away though) then the squad obviously needs to improve each season as well whilst also keeping the nucleus together.........Assuming then 4 or 5 released, with replacements brought in, then Sean was one I expected to be released. Clearly we expected the replacements to be an improvement and although it is still early doors, it is looking like some may not be.
I work with a long standing Macc season ticket holder and a long standing Stockport County fan, and neither can believe Ricky Lambert got a gig for England........I guess it can happen, albeit Sean is still playing Conf North and was not picked up by Chester, Southport, Wrexham, Tranmere or Macc after we released him. He always gave 100% and I truly hope he gets a game for England C
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The problem for me is the replacements
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I always thought he seemed unhappy at the club. I'm glad he's performing well
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As Jimmy correctly points out, the problem has indeed been the midfield replacements for Sean and Cav. But, how do we move forward from here? Griffiths can't be replaced for obvious reasons. O'Keefe I believe is on a contact, believe it or not, and I can't even see the truly desperate taking him off our hands. Now, who does that leave I wonder? Seriously, if we are to stay in this league, we really do need an extra body in the middle of the pitch. Too much is being asked of Jake and Si and it's no wonder they're starting to pick up minor knocks. Hard decisions need to be made. We are probably going to lose tonight and that means Saturday is going to be vital, so something will have to be done before then. Or are the club prepared to plod on until we are out of sight of safety and crowds are sub 600? Terrible mistakes have certainly been made this season, but it isn't too late to put them right.
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I'd give Sinnott Jnr a go at right back if Densmore is injured.
I also don't think the idea of Reeves playing behind Rankine is as outlandish as many would have it either.
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I'd give Sinnott Jnr a go at right back if Densmore is injured.
I also don't think the idea of Reeves playing behind Rankine is as outlandish as many would have it either.
Could work.
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This season just feels annoying.
Bringing Rankine in has been a good move, but it seems to have (to some degree) pushed Reeves out of the team. This means we've replaced our most threatening player with a slightly less threatening player. Now, this can be justified if Rankine plays in such a way that a) other players score more goals than they did before, and/or b) we become harder to beat because he is better at keeping hold of the ball. On both these counts the jury is out.
Losing Cavanagh and releasing Williams and replacing them with Griffith and O'Keefe has been a disaster. The Griffith debacle has been done to death but it still stings that we pretty much gave thousands of pounds to some knob half of League 2 (and google!) knew was crocked. Not seen much of O'Keefe, but the reports are hardly glowing.
So, two bad choices in midfield and our season is pretty much all about not getting relegated and moving on next season with better players.
All just a bit flat really.
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I said right at the start of the season it was going to be a long hard one ..
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I said the same about Rankine/Reeves a while back. If you're playing 1 up front then Rankine's the obvious choice. Trouble is we don't score goals without Reeves.
Bit of a nightmare situation.
As for midfielders, to progress then Wilkinson and Williams needed to be replaced by better but they haven't.
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I said right at the start of the season it was going to be a long hard one ..
That's what I old the missus!
(Don't tell me you didn't feed me the line! ;) )
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I said the same about Rankine/Reeves a while back. If you're playing 1 up front then Rankine's the obvious choice. Trouble is we don't score goals without Reeves.
Bit of a nightmare situation.
As for midfielders, to progress then Wilkinson and Williams needed to be replaced by better but they haven't.
Maybe last season. The problem is with reeves is he'll get going after his first, but that won't come without a run of games.
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I agree Jack. That's why it's a nightmare situation.
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I said the same about Rankine/Reeves a while back. If you're playing 1 up front then Rankine's the obvious choice. Trouble is we don't score goals without Reeves.
Bit of a nightmare situation.
As for midfielders, to progress then Wilkinson and Williams needed to be replaced by better but they haven't.
Maybe last season. The problem is with reeves is he'll get going after his first, but that won't come without a run of games.
Maybe a spell in the supporters team will both restore his confidence and bring some much needed results..?
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Can't reiterate enough about what's been said, at the time you think we'll done Sean and good luck thanks for the hard work, expecting a BETTER calibre of player to be brought in, forgetting about Griffith, O Keefe simply isn't that.
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I said the same about Rankine/Reeves a while back. If you're playing 1 up front then Rankine's the obvious choice. Trouble is we don't score goals without Reeves.
Bit of a nightmare situation.
As for midfielders, to progress then Wilkinson and Williams needed to be replaced by better but they haven't.
Maybe last season. The problem is with reeves is he'll get going after his first, but that won't come without a run of games.
defo and he's going to walk away this season with the amount of involvement he is having
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Folks let's back the manager a bit here now
He got us up so knows what he's doing
Roll on 20/20
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Include Rankine the journeyman if you want, but Damian Reeves SHOULD be the first name on the team sheet, with regard to service to the club and his goal scoring record. He is our only real avenue to getting some goals. >:( >:(
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Include Rankine the journeyman if you want, but Damian Reeves SHOULD be the first name on the team sheet, with regard to service to the club and his goal scoring record. He is our only real avenue to getting some goals. >:( >:(
Absolutely if we are relying on history rather than now, don't forget to get Timmo up front with him and ronnie ellis in midfield
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Ellis and Timmons didn't score 18 goals last season no pens and apart from clee not the best supply from midfield rankine is doing well but he will get 12 league goals tops so if we discard reeves the midfield will have to score a lot more or the defence become tighter
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Ellis and Timmons didn't score 18 goals last season no pens and apart from clee not the best supply from midfield rankine is doing well but he will get 12 league goals tops so if we discard reeves the midfield will have to score a lot more or the defence become tighter
you not convinced by the 20/20 Jimmy?