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Title: Flares a No-no!
Post by: Hamilton on October 23, 2014, 11:36:54 PM
STATEMENT ON MACC GAME

Altrincham FC chairman Grahame Rowley writes that "Following incidents at the Macclesfield Town game on Tuesday 30th September the Club were asked for their views by the FA with regards to the fan who ran onto the pitch and the throwing of a smoke canister onto the pitch - with possible sanctions/fines to follow.
I am happy to say that, following our representations to the FA, they considered that we took appropriate action on the night and adequate planning had taken place beforehand to avoid such incidents and, therefore, we were not sanctioned. We have also made assurances that the Football Club will do their utmost to ensure that repeat incidences do not take place.

Although spectators may think that running on the pitch during a game or throwing smoke canisters during goal celebrations is entertaining, they can have significant repercussions for the Football Club. Those responsible for these acts should take note of the possible effects on their Football Club".
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: RockyRobin on October 24, 2014, 06:06:48 AM
Was it not a Macc fan on the pitch???
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: jhcorbett on October 24, 2014, 09:24:45 AM
Was it not a Macc fan on the pitch???

Yes it was and he was a very naughty boy. He was so irate it was hysterical.
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on October 24, 2014, 11:25:45 AM
Was it not a Macc fan on the pitch???

"Actually dave we were at home, so technically he was our guest, and we failed to control him.Read the small print in your cone tract"
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: York Alty on October 24, 2014, 12:00:59 PM
Was it not a Macc fan on the pitch???

"Actually dave we were at home, so technically he was our guest, and we failed to control him.Read the small print in your cone tract"

Genuine question here.  What obligations or responsibilities (if any) do the away club have in relation to their fans?
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: cheshire cat on October 24, 2014, 01:24:36 PM
I don't see how they can be expected to have any responsibility for how anyone behaves.

It would be great if all grounds could commit to giving a season long ban to miscreants but it would be very difficult to enforce. The banned person could turn up the following week with a wig on and they'd probably be able to slip in without the stewards recognising them.
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: Ashley Alty on October 24, 2014, 02:04:54 PM
Fan owned 1874 Northwich FC Club board were held to account when a fan approached the ref at the end of a match.....

STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD OF 1874 NORTHWICH FC
The Board of 1874 Northwich FC has previously advised that following an incident involving the referee and a spectator, at the end of our game at Runcorn Town on Tuesday 26th August, the football club was charged with failure to ensure that spectators conducted themselves in an orderly fashion.
On Monday 13th October our Chairman, supported by our Football Secretary, attended a hearing at the Cheshire FA HQ where a number of issues were discussed with Commission Members.  Following the hearing, we are pleased to advise that no further action will be taken against 1874 Northwich FC.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank the Cheshire FA for their positive feedback to the measures we have introduced since the incident.
The Board would like to reiterate our Football Club's support to the FA's Respect campaign and would remind supporters that appropriate behavior towards Officials, Opponents and fellow Supporters is expected at all times.   
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: Hale Alty on October 24, 2014, 03:06:34 PM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: markecky on October 24, 2014, 05:58:42 PM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?

When the number of our volunteers available on a certain day drops below a certain level ( or increased stewarding is needed ) we hire in stewards from other clubs like Stockport, United, Oldham or the away team.
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: Hale Alty on October 24, 2014, 06:19:53 PM
I thought maybe it was some sort of cultural exchange.
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: GB Alty on October 24, 2014, 08:05:35 PM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?

When the number of our volunteers available on a certain day drops below a certain level ( or increased stewarding is needed ) we hire in stewards from other clubs like Stockport, United, Oldham or the away team.
was increased stewarding required for the Braintree game?
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: markecky on October 24, 2014, 08:16:24 PM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?

When the number of our volunteers available on a certain day drops below a certain level ( or increased stewarding is needed ) we hire in stewards from other clubs like Stockport, United, Oldham or the away team.
was increased stewarding required for the Braintree game?

I wouldn't have thought so, would presume that the former part of the answer applies.
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on October 24, 2014, 08:18:54 PM
The number of volunteer stewards, like the number of gate operators has reduced quite markedly over the recent past.

Hence we have to pay for stewarding staff and sometimes cannot open all turnstiles.

The first of these two has the potential to be a significant drain on the Clubs finances and the second has the potential to portray the Club in a less positive light. You never know there may well come a point where we will have to pay "commercial" rates for gate operators too

To answer your point though Jamie, not it didn't require extra just we had to hire them in to get anywhere near the number required to be able to open the ground

FOOTNOTE: I am sure that anyone wishing to volunteer for either Stewarding or Turnstile Operation will be very much welcomed and it will be a huge help to the Club too
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: GB Alty on October 24, 2014, 08:21:44 PM
I see what your saying - maybe a more commercial outlook is required?
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: bighairedmike on October 24, 2014, 09:56:20 PM
I see what your saying - maybe a more commercial outlook is required?

I thought you wanted more money put into the playing squad, not less.
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: GB Alty on October 24, 2014, 10:00:25 PM
I see what your saying - maybe a more commercial outlook is required?

I thought you wanted more money put into the playing squad, not less.
that's not what I suggested

Do you know what a commercial outlook is?
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: blackpoolalty on October 24, 2014, 10:03:15 PM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?

When the number of our volunteers available on a certain day drops below a certain level ( or increased stewarding is needed ) we hire in stewards from other clubs like Stockport, United, Oldham or the away team.
was increased stewarding required for the Braintree game?


I wouldn't have thought so, would presume that the former part of the answer applies.

What I found quite amusing was the tall guy telling everyone to get behind the crash barriers at the away end, to be bluntly told "we've stood here for X amount of years" he walked to the lady steward who said "it's not worth it your not paid enough to deal with this" deal with what? He also loudly berated the fact his travelling expenses weren't paid.

Dearly me
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: markecky on October 24, 2014, 10:12:50 PM
I see what your saying - maybe a more commercial outlook is required?

I would have thought it made the most commercial sense to use volunteers where possible, topped up by paid staff where circumstances force them to be used?

Is there a better way of doing it?

Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: GB Alty on October 24, 2014, 10:23:00 PM
I see what your saying - maybe a more commercial outlook is required?

I would have thought it made the most commercial sense to use volunteers where possible, topped up by paid staff where circumstances force them to be used?

Is there a better way of doing it?


not really

I would have the stewards sponsored
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: Darren on October 24, 2014, 11:28:25 PM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?

When the number of our volunteers available on a certain day drops below a certain level ( or increased stewarding is needed ) we hire in stewards from other clubs like Stockport, United, Oldham or the away team.
was increased stewarding required for the Braintree game?


I wouldn't have thought so, would presume that the former part of the answer applies.

What I found quite amusing was the tall guy telling everyone to get behind the crash barriers at the away end, to be bluntly told "we've stood here for X amount of years" he walked to the lady steward who said "it's not worth it your not paid enough to deal with this" deal with what? He also loudly berated the fact his travelling expenses weren't paid.

Dearly me

Watching from the camera gantry i found that quite amusing i also have pictures of them stood doing nothing,
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: markecky on October 24, 2014, 11:48:53 PM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?

When the number of our volunteers available on a certain day drops below a certain level ( or increased stewarding is needed ) we hire in stewards from other clubs like Stockport, United, Oldham or the away team.
was increased stewarding required for the Braintree game?


I wouldn't have thought so, would presume that the former part of the answer applies.

What I found quite amusing was the tall guy telling everyone to get behind the crash barriers at the away end, to be bluntly told "we've stood here for X amount of years" he walked to the lady steward who said "it's not worth it your not paid enough to deal with this" deal with what? He also loudly berated the fact his travelling expenses weren't paid.

Dearly me

Watching from the camera gantry i found that quite amusing i also have pictures of them stood doing nothing,

I actually like stewards to be stood around doing nothing though mate.  It either means no one is being a fiend or that they aren't mithering people who aren't doing anything.  Stewards should be seen any not heard, an important part of  a matchday but should be in the background. 
Title: Re: Flares a No-no!
Post by: Darren on October 25, 2014, 10:11:21 AM
On a slightly different tack why were there stewards from Oldham at the Braintree game?

When the number of our volunteers available on a certain day drops below a certain level ( or increased stewarding is needed ) we hire in stewards from other clubs like Stockport, United, Oldham or the away team.
was increased stewarding required for the Braintree game?


I wouldn't have thought so, would presume that the former part of the answer applies.

What I found quite amusing was the tall guy telling everyone to get behind the crash barriers at the away end, to be bluntly told "we've stood here for X amount of years" he walked to the lady steward who said "it's not worth it your not paid enough to deal with this" deal with what? He also loudly berated the fact his travelling expenses weren't paid.

Dearly me

Watching from the camera gantry i found that quite amusing i also have pictures of them stood doing nothing,

I actually like stewards to be stood around doing nothing though mate.  It either means no one is being a fiend or that they aren't mithering people who aren't doing anything.  Stewards should be seen any not heard, an important part of  a matchday but should be in the background.  

Doesn't normally bother me stewards stood doing nothing but when volunteer stewards are doing all the work and paid ones stood watching football as in the picture, Which i took second half £75 wasted.

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n76/altywidow/10153808_10205407806577637_5481509104760397432_n.jpg)