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Title: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on January 26, 2023, 09:58:31 AM
Unless we get some more players in I think this could be the line-up.

                     Byrne

Toby J Jones        Baines     E Jones

             Lundstram Marriott

Gyasi             CCC           Kaja

                  Dinanga

Possibly play Hulme at 9 for rotation unless Gyasi not playing and will be Hulme out wide

Tough game, hopefully they will be a little tired from ET
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 26, 2023, 10:21:17 AM
New lad at RB and Toby to RCB instead of Jones but otherwise agree.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on January 26, 2023, 12:47:54 PM
                            Byrne

Welsh-Hayes.  Mullarkey.  Baines. Jones

              Marriott.  Lundstram

Kaja  Conn-Clarke.  Gyasie

                Dinaga


Alty 1-1 BW (Dinaga)
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on January 26, 2023, 12:58:44 PM
                        Byrne

Toby   J Jones        Baines     E Jones

             Lundstram Marriott

Kaja            CCC                Gyasi

                    Hulme

New RB looks decent but Toby is such a threat going forward and whilst we have limited threat out wide I would play him RB to bob on.

Hulme should be given games as our no.9, like Dinanga and Jennings have been given. He ain't a winger.


                 
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Sale on January 26, 2023, 04:25:54 PM
Agree fully with O'Needham's choices as above.

Score 2-1 and attendance 1678
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 26, 2023, 04:46:46 PM
                        Byrne

Toby   J Jones        Baines     E Jones

             Lundstram Marriott

Kaja            CCC                Gyasi

                    Hulme

New RB looks decent but Toby is such a threat going forward and whilst we have limited threat out wide I would play him RB to bob on.

Hulme should be given games as our no.9, like Dinanga and Jennings have been given. He ain't a winger.

                 

PP will start Dinanga, ultimately, we're 3 wins from safety; and Dinanga has 7 years on Hulme; he needs the chance to earn a place next year as a starter; as he won't be a sqaud player.

Rightly or wrongly; Dinanga has the most chance of the two to come good after we invested cash in him.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on January 26, 2023, 05:00:41 PM
                            Byrne

Welsh-Hayes.  Mullarkey.  Baines. Jones

              Marriott.  Lundstram

Kaja  Conn-Clarke.  Gyasie

                Dinaga


Alty 1-1 BW (Dinaga)

My choice 👍🏻
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on January 26, 2023, 05:06:50 PM
                        Byrne

Toby   J Jones        Baines     E Jones

             Lundstram Marriott

Kaja            CCC                Gyasi

                    Hulme

New RB looks decent but Toby is such a threat going forward and whilst we have limited threat out wide I would play him RB to bob on.

Hulme should be given games as our no.9, like Dinanga and Jennings have been given. He ain't a winger.

                 

PP will start Dinanga, ultimately, we're 3 wins from safety; and Dinanga has 7 years on Hulme; he needs the chance to earn a place next year as a starter; as he won't be a sqaud player.

Rightly or wrongly; Dinanga has the most chance of the two to come good after we invested cash in him.

Yeah, he will play Dinanga. Got a feeling he will score on Saturday, maybe even 2.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 26, 2023, 05:08:41 PM
                        Byrne

Toby   J Jones        Baines     E Jones

             Lundstram Marriott

Kaja            CCC                Gyasi

                    Hulme

New RB looks decent but Toby is such a threat going forward and whilst we have limited threat out wide I would play him RB to bob on.

Hulme should be given games as our no.9, like Dinanga and Jennings have been given. He ain't a winger.

                 

PP will start Dinanga, ultimately, we're 3 wins from safety; and Dinanga has 7 years on Hulme; he needs the chance to earn a place next year as a starter; as he won't be a sqaud player.

Rightly or wrongly; Dinanga has the most chance of the two to come good after we invested cash in him.

Yeah, he will play Dinanga. Got a feeling he will score on Saturday, maybe even 2.

I'll have a pint of what you're drinking 🍻! 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 26, 2023, 06:29:29 PM
Would have Pringle over Kaja in the team at the head of this thread. In the absence of anyone else, Dinanga would need to be 9.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 26, 2023, 10:55:55 PM
I am genuinely confused as to how anyone can state that Dinanga should be in this Altrincham side
What do people see in him as a player. He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: alty.fc on January 26, 2023, 11:00:17 PM
I am genuinely confused as to how anyone can state that Dinanga should be in this Altrincham side
What do people see in him as a player. He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.
sadly I have to agree . He brings nothing. He is lazy . He has zero composure in front of goal. Many times I have seen him barley celebrates when others score. He is the luckiest forward I have ever seen at this club to be given such a run in the team for such little return
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Strong summer needed on January 27, 2023, 07:06:55 AM
Dinanga.......
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 27, 2023, 07:18:16 AM
                            Byrne

Welsh-Hayes.  Mullarkey.  Baines. Jones

              Marriott.  Lundstram

Kaja  Conn-Clarke.  Gyasie

                Dinaga


Alty 1-1 BW (Dinaga)

My choice 👍🏻

Same - I don't think we would have loaned Welch-Hayes to sit on the bench, plus he looked good the other evening, plus James Jones's lapses in concentration are creeping back in (responsible for goals in both of our most recent games).

Plugging our leaky defence should be more important than what Toby supposedly gives us going forward - he's a defender, first and foremost - and the best defender at the club by a country mile.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 27, 2023, 08:15:17 AM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on January 27, 2023, 09:26:14 AM
I am genuinely confused as to how anyone can state that Dinanga should be in this Altrincham side
What do people see in him as a player. He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.
sadly I have to agree . He brings nothing. He is lazy . He has zero composure in front of goal. Many times I have seen him barley celebrates when others score. He is the luckiest forward I have ever seen at this club to be given such a run in the team for such little return
So Harsh that, not surprised he hardly celebrates the way he's berated. He needs to play as he has scored more goals as a forward than any other forward we have. The more he plays the better he should get. I agree we need more alternatives up front so place is not guaranteed. But now, he is the best we have in my opinion
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: cheshire cat on January 27, 2023, 09:40:55 AM
It's easy to score goals when you are two yards out. In the light of criticism on here I've been watching him carefully. He runs around a lot, which slows down the opposition's defensive clearances and thats it.

He doesn't win any high balls whatsoever and is never on the scene to pick up second balls. When he does have the ball he has made one or two decent passes but when it comes to goal scoring opportunities he's woefull. I can't remember seeing him make a tackle.

It feels like we are playing every game with 10 1/2 men.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 27, 2023, 09:46:28 AM
He scored 6 goals in 6 games for the first time an Altrincham players done that whilst Ive watched them (at this level)

He is very much a confidence player. Look at Landgstaff. Before the Gateshead season, his record was borderline average. Im noy saying Marcus is the same standard, but he did score 13 in 15 at the level below.

Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on January 27, 2023, 09:47:38 AM
CC you need to be in the position to score from 2 yards out. That's poaching. It's still a skill. The service he needs is different to say Hulme. Jennings never got in those positions. but was better in other aspects of his game. I agreed Dinanga needs to improve, his first touch is awful at times, but does get involved in assisting other goals.

Look forward to getting better forwards in, but clearly were struggling to recruit one or more.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 27, 2023, 11:13:35 AM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.

If only he scored more often than once in every 5 or 6 genuine opportunities he's presented with. He's a total waste of space at this level.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 27, 2023, 12:12:16 PM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.

If only he scored more often than once in every 5 or 6 genuine opportunities he's presented with. He's a total waste of space at this level.

It's 1 in 3.

Which in fairness is better than a lot of others.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on January 27, 2023, 12:53:59 PM
Dinanga is not the long term answer but he’s the best option we’ve currently got for that position and we should get behind him. The reaction some fans make to his slightest mistake is absurd and really poor form, I’ve got to say. I’ve never ever experienced the sort of stick he’s had with any other player in my time.

Very lazy to call him lazy, would love to see his running stats vs. Jennings who left with our good graces despite offering nothing but a decent first touch (which Dinanga has, by the way.) Say what you want about his finishing but he is absolutely not a lazy footballer and I’ll back that all day. Amazed people think our management would accept that.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Leon on January 27, 2023, 01:18:42 PM
Dinanga is not the long term answer but he’s the best option we’ve currently got for that position and we should get behind him. The reaction some fans make to his slightest mistake is absurd and really poor form, I’ve got to say. I’ve never ever experienced the sort of stick he’s had with any other player in my time.

Very lazy to call him lazy, would love to see his running stats vs. Jennings who left with our good graces despite offering nothing but a decent first touch (which Dinanga has, by the way.) Say what you want about his finishing but he is absolutely not a lazy footballer and I’ll back that all day. Amazed people think our management would accept that.

I couldn't agree more. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of players, to rate them or think they're useless, but I find the depth of the hatred for Dinanga from some quarters slightly disturbing.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 27, 2023, 01:26:26 PM
I obviously can't speak for others, but in my case, it's certainly not hatred but rather utter despair that he's our best option at number nine.
Having said that, as long as he's with us I'll applaud him when he does well.
Which isn't very often.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Mick on January 27, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
There is certainly no hatred....he trys his best in my opinion and that 'best' proves not to be good enough at our level during 4 matches out of five.
It is not his fault he is selected. The club has failed miserably again to recruit a Conference  National level number 9. He and Hulme are our best sub-standard options at the moment.

To point out also that both Hulme and Dinanga would be considered to be top class in the division below. It is all about levels and we seem to have gambled on players stepping up and in this case it has not worked as well as hoped
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 27, 2023, 02:30:04 PM
He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.

This is clearly absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 27, 2023, 02:42:43 PM
There is certainly no hatred....he trys his best in my opinion and that 'best' proves not to be good enough at our level during 4 matches out of five.
It is not his fault he is selected. The club has failed miserably again to recruit a Conference  National level number 9. He and Hulme are our best sub-standard options at the moment.

To point out also that both Hulme and Dinanga would be considered to be top class in the division below. It is all about levels and we seem to have gambled on players stepping up and in this case it has not worked as well as hoped


In fairness I dont think its a gamble. If Dinanga hadnt plaued for us last year and we signed a young Conference South striker with a 13 in 15 record, you'd think we'd unearthed a gem, same way Notts County had.

Hulme I have to believe from IOM trio alone offfers the younger players far more than just a subpar weekly run out.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 27, 2023, 02:45:29 PM
The worst one I ever saw was that (very) old ex Welsh 'international'. Can't remember his name (perhaps someone else on here with a better memory can help) but it must be at least 20 to 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 27, 2023, 03:47:25 PM
Don't hate him, he's probably a very nice person. He's just not a good enough footballer.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: PaulClementsLaments on January 27, 2023, 03:52:27 PM
I certainly wouldn't describe Marcus as lazy or a bad player but we've had better strikers certainly. I would say he lacks a bit of bravery and his goal to chance ratio isn't great but I don't generally have a problem with his all round play. We've had much worse, Darren Royle anyone?  :o
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 27, 2023, 03:54:16 PM
He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.

This is clearly absolute nonsense.
I'd be interested if you could tell me the players I've seen here that have been worse.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 27, 2023, 03:58:56 PM
In fairness, pretty much the entire team when we were relegated to the Evostik - they were beyond dire.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 27, 2023, 04:04:16 PM
Just remembered... Chris Waring. 1990s (97?)
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on January 27, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
Too many to remember but some names which come to mind are:

Chris Young
Dave Swannick
Gus Wareing
Dave Martindale
Wayne Baker
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 27, 2023, 04:46:14 PM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.

If only he scored more often than once in every 5 or 6 genuine opportunities he's presented with. He's a total waste of space at this level.

It's 1 in 3.

Which in fairness is better than a lot of others.


One Foot In The Grave was referring to his goals per chances ratio rather than his goals per game ratio.

For the record, Dinanga's statistics are: 32 (+12 as sub) appearances and 10 goals.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on January 27, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.

This is clearly absolute nonsense.
I'd be interested if you could tell me the players I've seen here that have been worse.

I’ll save MarpleAlty a job.

I’m that confident, I’ll even limit it to strikers who’ve played for us since we got promoted.

Fisayo Adarabioyo
Jacob Blyth
Byron Harrison
Jamie McDonald
Joe Piggott
Kole Hall
Max Clayton
Nyall Bell

Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: CRT Butty on January 27, 2023, 04:58:31 PM
He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.

This is clearly absolute nonsense.
I'd be interested if you could tell me the players I've seen here that have been worse.

I’ll save MarpleAlty a job.

I’m that confident, I’ll even limit it to strikers who’ve played for us since we got promoted.

Fisayo Adarabioyo
Jacob Blyth
Byron Harrison
Jamie McDonald
Joe Piggott
Kole Hall
Max Clayton
Nyall Bell

It's self torture at this stage!
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 27, 2023, 05:02:07 PM


There is certainly no hatred....he trys his best in my opinion and that 'best' proves not to be good enough at our level during 4 matches out of five.
It is not his fault he is selected. The club has failed miserably again to recruit a Conference  National level number 9. He and Hulme are our best sub-standard options at the moment.



An entirely accurate synopsis, in my view, particularly that highlighted sentence.

The litany of misfiring signings in that department has been immensely dispiriting.

We've undoubtedly had worse 'strikers' than Dinanga but I seriously hope that we will be able to upgrade on him during the summer or else we could all be having the same discussion again this time next year.

Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on January 27, 2023, 05:16:45 PM


There is certainly no hatred....he trys his best in my opinion and that 'best' proves not to be good enough at our level during 4 matches out of five.
It is not his fault he is selected. The club has failed miserably again to recruit a Conference  National level number 9. He and Hulme are our best sub-standard options at the moment.



An entirely accurate synopsis, in my view, particularly that highlighted sentence.

The litany of misfiring signings in that department has been immensely dispiriting.

We've undoubtedly had worse 'strikers' than Dinanga but I seriously hope that we will be able to upgrade on him during the summer or else we could all be having the same discussion again this time next year.

All fair, but none of that is the lad’s fault and I won’t stand for people coming on here (and on the terraces) making out like he’s a lazy non-trier who can’t be arsed. It stinks to be honest, and the way he is screamed at for the slightest mistake is unlike any treatment I’ve heard a player of ours receive.

It’s hardly the best environment for a confidence player to feel the support and we need to do better regardless of whether we think he’s good enough or not. We seemed to have no problem affording that respect to Tom Peers.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on January 27, 2023, 05:18:58 PM
Hes probably our 2nd best striker we've had since we were promoted. I appreciate we've had some right sh*te
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 27, 2023, 05:28:25 PM
Peers didn't seem to get the number of starts Dinanga has had.
Apart from that, imho he was twice the player.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 27, 2023, 05:48:41 PM
How many of those players were given the number of starts Dinanga  has had I wonder
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 27, 2023, 06:12:22 PM
Very few but that's a symptom of how few alternatives are available in our financial range unfortunately.
With a decent scorer in that position we'd be quite a few points better off but I guess most clubs are in the same position.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on January 27, 2023, 09:17:20 PM
He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.

This is clearly absolute nonsense.
I'd be interested if you could tell me the players I've seen here that have been worse.


I’ll save MarpleAlty a job.

I’m that confident, I’ll even limit it to strikers who’ve played for us since we got promoted.

Fisayo Adarabioyo
Jacob Blyth
Byron Harrison
Jamie McDonald
Joe Piggott
Kole Hall
Max Clayton
Nyall Bell
I recall we once pinned all our hopes on Joe Piggott. Strewth.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on January 27, 2023, 09:39:33 PM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.

If only he scored more often than once in every 5 or 6 genuine opportunities he's presented with. He's a total waste of space at this level.

I don't know, I think the jury's still out on that. He's not John Brady maybe (or even Dickie "90 minutes" Landon"), but I did think he was getting into his stride a bit earlier this season before the loan signings restricted his game time. Alan Shearer often berates strikers for not taking a gamble to get on the end of crosses, and I agree it's a skill getting in those positions.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on January 27, 2023, 09:50:45 PM
He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.

This is clearly absolute nonsense.
I'd be interested if you could tell me the players I've seen here that have been worse.

I don't know how far back you go or if you are just including strikers, but was Micky Hayde really better? I'll hazard a guess he didn't score six goals anyway.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: JD on January 27, 2023, 09:57:59 PM
Now I have to admit I can only go from RR commentaries and highlights.

I don't think Dinanga has hot the heights of earlier in the season when he was not just scoring goals, but doing some decent work in build ups.
A plus is that he is getting into good positions, but not taking advantage of them enough, and too often getting into offside positions, which shows a lack of footballing intelligence.
Like CR7, Dinanga needs a lot of chances to get the goals, but, maybe, lacks some of CR7's other skills!!!!!
I think he needs game time (which he got on loan), but does not seem to come up to the standard to get that game time.
He is not a bad player, cannot judge him on lazyness, but imho is a subs bench/impact player.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 27, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
He certainly had an impact when he came on at Halifax!
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 27, 2023, 10:05:54 PM
He certainly had an impact when he came on at Halifax!

Touché! 😉
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on January 27, 2023, 10:07:23 PM


There is certainly no hatred....he trys his best in my opinion and that 'best' proves not to be good enough at our level during 4 matches out of five.
It is not his fault he is selected. The club has failed miserably again to recruit a Conference  National level number 9. He and Hulme are our best sub-standard options at the moment.




An entirely accurate synopsis, in my view, particularly that highlighted sentence.

The litany of misfiring signings in that department has been immensely dispiriting.

We've undoubtedly had worse 'strikers' than Dinanga but I seriously hope that we will be able to upgrade on him during the summer or else we could all be having the same discussion again this time next year.

According to the sometimes reliable BBC, Dinanga has scored five goals this season, clocking in at 247 minutes per goal. Of the players we have available, only CCC is close.

To put that into some sort of perspective, according to the NLP a couple of weeks back, Altrincham's top scorers for the season at the time were Colclough and CCC, both on seven. For the whole of the season so far, Bennett and Newby easily have the best minutes per goal ratio. Meanwhile, Chesterfield's leading scorer at the time (and I was surprised to read this) was also on seven goals. There's a lot of well-funded clubs looking for a good NL number nine...
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Bangor on Dee Robin on January 27, 2023, 10:29:31 PM
Wasn't Micky Hayde a fullback ?
I met him at Worcester prison (he was a prison officer and I was doing a building survey-honest  :-X) top bloke, a poor mans Clive Freeman.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on January 27, 2023, 11:27:08 PM
Yes, hence the caveat about strikers. And I don't doubt that he was a lovely bloke (and probably quite thick skinned). But better than Dinanga?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 28, 2023, 10:03:39 AM
Every team has players that play one or two games and are never seen again. The issue here is that Dinanga has been playing regularly for an extended period of time.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on January 28, 2023, 10:05:17 AM
You’re moving the goalposts.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 28, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
No. I still stick by my original point. Don't actually remember many of the players mentioned here but the ones I do weren't any worse.
Hence I mentioned in my original post 'players I've seen'. I also stated a couple of posts back that not many of those players had played many games.
Just carrying on a theme.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 28, 2023, 10:42:30 AM
Did you follow Alty when we were relegated to the glue league?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: chesteralty on January 28, 2023, 10:53:27 AM
I did. Might be harder to compare bearing in mind the standard of the opposition.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 28, 2023, 11:56:45 AM
Some of our present squad are not good enough for the National League. Most of the squad relegated to the glue league were not good enough for Conference North.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 28, 2023, 12:52:52 PM
He could well be the worst Alty player I've ever seen and I've seen some bad ones in my time.

This is clearly absolute nonsense.
I'd be interested if you could tell me the players I've seen here that have been worse.

I don't know how far back you go or if you are just including strikers, but was Micky Hayde really better? I'll hazard a guess he didn't score six goals anyway.


Mick Hayde is a bit of an odd choice of name to pluck out of the hat in this context.

Admittedly, he possessed relatively limited ability but I recall him as an honest trier and a functional performer in Gerry Quinn's Alty teams.

We've witnessed far worse individuals than him wearing an Alty shirt.

I'm rather surprised that the dreaded name of Michael Twiss hasn't been dropped into this conversation.

 
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 28, 2023, 01:16:59 PM
Or Peter Frankish.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: b23 on January 28, 2023, 02:14:02 PM
No Toby...
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: GolfRoader on January 28, 2023, 02:14:44 PM
No Toby...

Not looking good.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 28, 2023, 02:23:16 PM
Alas, I don't think we'll see Toby again - shame we can only speculate rather than have it confirmed.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 28, 2023, 02:36:30 PM
Alas, I don't think we'll see Toby again - shame we can only speculate rather than have it confirmed.

If that's the case then surely we've got enough in the kitty to get a really decent number nine in now?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 28, 2023, 02:44:05 PM
With any quality number 9, wages will be the stumbling point.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: SW on January 28, 2023, 03:03:32 PM
Or Peter Frankish.

How many on here saw Dave Furnival play?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: altyusa on January 28, 2023, 03:13:03 PM
Hi SW.  I saw Dave Furnival play!  Wasn’t he a Les Rigby signing?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: SW on January 28, 2023, 05:19:11 PM
Hi SW.  I saw Dave Furnival play!  Wasn’t he a Les Rigby signing?

I can’t remember USA it was a long time ago. I felt it was before Rigby but I’ve never been good at matching time and events past. He was terrible though no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 28, 2023, 05:31:59 PM
Well, back to the Conferencing days of old - 11 big lads, keeper being bullied inside his own six yard box, and we didn't really lay a glove on them with some ponderous football and a lack of willingness to take risks.

Everything felt a bit flat today. Reinforcements needed.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: wayno on January 28, 2023, 05:35:25 PM
I got lambasted by some on here for daring to state if we sell the crown Jewels we will struggle .... But that we will
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on January 28, 2023, 06:15:11 PM
How did Dinanga play today when he came on.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: b23 on January 28, 2023, 06:21:02 PM
I would say Dinanga was his usual self...
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: jhcorbett on January 28, 2023, 06:28:50 PM
I got lambasted by some on here for daring to state if we sell the crown Jewels we will struggle .... But that we will

In what way were you 'lambasted'?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 28, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
How did Dinanga play today when he came on.

Dinanga had one of his better games today. I wish I could say that for a couple of others. Once again we conceded two goals from set pieces - and yet again Byrne stayed rooted firmly to his line for both, and also when they struck the bar late in the first half.

I think we need a more experienced keeper, as well as the obvious striker.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Ballers on January 28, 2023, 06:42:17 PM
The worst one I ever saw was that (very) old ex Welsh 'international'. Can't remember his name (perhaps someone else on here with a better memory can help) but it must be at least 20 to 30 years ago.

Paul Williams. Ex Stockport. Cost them £250k once.

Abysmal. I don’t know what the problem was but it actually hurt watching him he was that bad. He was tall but couldn’t win a header, he was big but got bullied by defenders.

And those were his strengths! He wasn’t quick or mobile, couldn’t play and never scored.

Don’t think he won a header despite being 6ft 4in. Baffling.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Ballers on January 28, 2023, 06:46:00 PM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.

If only he scored more often than once in every 5 or 6 genuine opportunities he's presented with. He's a total waste of space at this level.

I don't know, I think the jury's still out on that. He's not John Brady maybe (or even Dickie "90 minutes" Landon"), but I did think he was getting into his stride a bit earlier this season before the loan signings restricted his game time. Alan Shearer often berates strikers for not taking a gamble to get on the end of crosses, and I agree it's a skill getting in those positions.

I think you might have got confused here Hugh, or I’m misreading your post, but if you think John Brady was a waste of space at conference level then I can’t help you. His 90/91 season is on a par with the best strikers in our history.


The only defence I can present for Mr. Cooper Your Honour is that his Alty watching may have started in the 91/92 season when Mr Brady’s morale and commitment had dipped somewhat before his November move to Barrow.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on January 28, 2023, 06:52:51 PM
Only positive was the attendance

If we don't get 2 decent offensive players in we will be a relegation fight.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on January 28, 2023, 06:54:34 PM
How did Dinanga play today when he came on.

Dinanga had one of his better games today. I wish I could say that for a couple of others. Once again we conceded two goals from set pieces - and yet again Byrne stayed rooted firmly to his line for both, and also when they struck the bar late in the first half.

I think we need a more experienced keeper, as well as the obvious striker.

I agree… I’m looking forward to the highlights! The kid is rooted on his line. No presence in the 6 yard box, no voice commanding the area and very poor distribution. Enough is enough!
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: wayno on January 28, 2023, 06:59:31 PM
I got lambasted on here by some for daring to suggest we should keep our best players . We are about to lose the last 2 playmakers in the team .

Hold on tight . At least we are earning good interest on the money in the bank ....
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: wayno on January 28, 2023, 07:03:19 PM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.
I get you but what a poor benchmark
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 28, 2023, 07:03:43 PM
Only positive was the attendance

If we don't get 2 decent offensive players in we will be a relegation fight.

Can't see us going down but the rest of the season will be grim watching without the signings needed.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on January 28, 2023, 07:16:27 PM
Only positive was the attendance

If we don't get 2 decent offensive players in we will be a relegation fight.

Can't see us going down but the rest of the season will be grim watching without the signings needed.

why? we haven't got enough points to be safe, we wont score with the personnell once con-clarke leaves and byrne won't keep another clean sheet
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 28, 2023, 07:44:56 PM
Hi SW.  I saw Dave Furnival play!  Wasn’t he a Les Rigby signing?

I can’t remember USA it was a long time ago. I felt it was before Rigby but I’ve never been good at matching time and events past. He was terrible though no doubt about that.


The abject Furnival was signed for Alty by Les Rigby during the 1975/76 season.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 28, 2023, 07:52:48 PM


We are simply haemorrhaging quality players.

CCC reportedly heading back to Fleetwood and now rumours persist that we have may have seen the last of Mullarkey in an Alty shirt.

Meanwhile, we are lumbered with a powder-puff forward line and a goalkeeper who appears unable to command his area every time that we defend a corner.

Not exactly a formula for progression.

Wrexham loom on the horizon and then the Bracknell FA Trophy tie becomes pivotal in keeping our season alive.

I confess that I am rather perplexed by the club's strategy at present.



 
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: wayno on January 28, 2023, 08:01:26 PM


We are simply haemorrhaging quality players.

CCC reportedly heading back to Fleetwood and now rumours persist that we have may have seen the last of Mullarkey in an Alty shirt.

Meanwhile, we are lumbered with a powder-puff forward line and a goalkeeper who appears unable to command his area every time that we defend a corner.

Not exactly a formula for progression.

Wrexham loom on the horizon and then the Bracknell FA Trophy tie becomes pivotal in keeping our season alive.

I confess that I am rather perplexed by the club's strategy at present.
I agree completely with the last paragraph. We have gone full time making Incredible progress (much better to date than I expected) but at this time we are moving backwards and quickly
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Ballers on January 28, 2023, 08:13:23 PM
There is certainly no hatred....he trys his best in my opinion and that 'best' proves not to be good enough at our level during 4 matches out of five.
It is not his fault he is selected. The club has failed miserably again to recruit a Conference  National level number 9. He and Hulme are our best sub-standard options at the moment.

To point out also that both Hulme and Dinanga would be considered to be top class in the division below. It is all about levels and we seem to have gambled on players stepping up and in this case it has not worked as well as hoped

Mick, I’d have to question whether Hulme in particular or Dinanga would be considered top class in the level below. Though you could give credence to Dinanga’s good spell at Dartford. I just think we may be assuming they’re better than they are.

I do still think there are players in them to be fair but the fact is, we have lost two players in Colclough and Newby (who was filling an empty gap) who simply must be replaced.

It’s a big step but we may need to spend money. We are simply operating at 82% of potential from November. That’s not good enough.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on January 28, 2023, 08:30:05 PM
I agree re. Dinanga but the fact is (and it is a fact) he has scored more goals than Jordan.

If only he scored more often than once in every 5 or 6 genuine opportunities he's presented with. He's a total waste of space at this level.

I don't know, I think the jury's still out on that. He's not John Brady maybe (or even Dickie "90 minutes" Landon"), but I did think he was getting into his stride a bit earlier this season before the loan signings restricted his game time. Alan Shearer often berates strikers for not taking a gamble to get on the end of crosses, and I agree it's a skill getting in those positions.

I think you might have got confused here Hugh, or I’m misreading your post, but if you think John Brady was a waste of space at conference level then I can’t help you. His 90/91 season is on a par with the best strikers in our history.


The only defence I can present for Mr. Cooper Your Honour is that his Alty watching may have started in the 91/92 season when Mr Brady’s morale and commitment had dipped somewhat before his November move to Barrow.

No that's not what I meant! Dinanga's not in the class of Brady or Landon (in shots per goal ratio) but was starting to look the part earlier this season.

I was watching the Barnet match again only the other night ( still one of the best games I've attended). A great finish by Brady for the first goal. I was actually going to post about this, and how his contribution sometimes gets overlooked. Very nearly a brilliant goal by Gary Anderson in that game by the way.

I should also add that I just twigged watching that again that Tony Incenzo of Sportscast that day must be the same guy now writing for the NLP.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Mick on January 28, 2023, 08:30:46 PM
Fair comment Ballers.......just think both would do well / have done well a league below
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: SW on January 28, 2023, 08:46:20 PM
I have an acquaintance who is a Dartford fan. He would have Dinanga back in a heartbeat, they loved him there, whether it is levels, confidence or players around him I’m not sure.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on January 28, 2023, 08:50:04 PM
There is certainly no hatred....he trys his best in my opinion and that 'best' proves not to be good enough at our level during 4 matches out of five.
It is not his fault he is selected. The club has failed miserably again to recruit a Conference  National level number 9. He and Hulme are our best sub-standard options at the moment.

To point out also that both Hulme and Dinanga would be considered to be top class in the division below. It is all about levels and we seem to have gambled on players stepping up and in this case it has not worked as well as hoped

Mick, I’d have to question whether Hulme in particular or Dinanga would be considered top class in the level below. Though you could give credence to Dinanga’s good spell at Dartford. I just think we may be assuming they’re better than they are.

I do still think there are players in them to be fair but the fact is, we have lost two players in Colclough and Newby (who was filling an empty gap) who simply must be replaced.

It’s a big step but we may need to spend money. We are simply operating at 82% of potential from November. That’s not good enough.

Speaking of which, when did we last spend money on a player (to your knowledge)? We have the money from Colclough, plus presumably a substantial amount for Mullarkey if he goes to Grimsby or someone (though I will assume he's staying until the club say otherwise), we have crowds of two thousand. Now is surely the time to put in a good bid if the right player is available. If not now, when?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on January 28, 2023, 09:00:41 PM
I can only assume that the club feel they have enough points on the board to stay up and will spend big in the summer. If so, it's a gamble which may prove disastrous. I'm very worried.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on January 28, 2023, 09:17:13 PM
To go down, we would have to do pretty much as badly as in the first nine games, and for the rest of the season. I don't see that happening once the new players bed in (and with this in mind I hope they play on  Tuesday). And the club could always bring in further reinforcements if things were lookingbad. Boreham Wood did  look a class apart today. Other clubs won't be.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: JD on January 28, 2023, 10:45:10 PM
Only positive was the attendance

If we don't get 2 decent offensive players in we will be a relegation fight.

I hope they won't swear at everyone!
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 28, 2023, 11:01:44 PM
Hi SW.  I saw Dave Furnival play!  Wasn’t he a Les Rigby signing?

I can’t remember USA it was a long time ago. I felt it was before Rigby but I’ve never been good at matching time and events past. He was terrible though no doubt about that.


The abject Furnival was signed for Alty by Les Rigby during the 1975/76 season.

He'd scored for fun at Lancaster City, but couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo when he joined us. Not long before him, we'd had a similar experience with Eric Shreeve who we signed from South Liverpool.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: hsmith1 on January 28, 2023, 11:13:39 PM
i knew Eric Shreeves brother Frank
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: SW on January 28, 2023, 11:15:42 PM
I remember Eric Shreeve too although I was probably only 10 or 11. Seem to remember his forte was the headed flick on from near post corners.
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on January 29, 2023, 09:02:46 AM
Big and strong were BW, very physical. If the referee was fair and stronger there excellent No5 would have been sent off with at least 4/5 bookable tackles/fouls he did. Overall they were better than us. But we did still create some chances and we need to be taking them, we lack quality in the final third, been said before and will be said again till we improve.

I like Ollie, but for corners and crosses he is poor. General shot stopping is pretty good.

Parky knows were not good enough, and I'm sure is trying to get better players in for us. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Personally once were through the next 6 weeks of matches I think we'll improve our points ratio, some tough games coming up. Hopefully will see Zak back in a month or so, think he's got good potential for us.

Wrexham will be tough, let's hope they have an off day.

 
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Ballers on January 29, 2023, 09:11:31 AM
I can only assume that the club feel they have enough points on the board to stay up and will spend big in the summer. If so, it's a gamble which may prove disastrous. I'm very worried.

It may be the case that we have enough of a cushion points wise to limp home and stay up. However, I can tell you exactly what happens to teams that do that the following season! They really f**king struggle. It’s a very dangerous thing to be complacent about.

It all does seem rather strange. I’m aware that sounding off about transfers is rather akin to the club saying hey look everybody we got x amount for Ryan Colclough and we’re going to spend it so raise your prices.

However, we are (again), 3 or 4 players short numbers wise, never mind quality. Last time I can remember the situation was this stark in that regards was the season we were relegated with Lee Sinnott.

Coincidentally we’ve got a spell of 5 home games out of 6 similar to that season too.

There must be moves afoot surely?
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Toff Apple on January 29, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
John Laidlers league table is the key, we have done very well against teams below us but dont win against the top 10.  This looks ominous for the next month but should be ok in the long run.  We need to accept at the moment we are just about a bottom half team.  Full time football has not been bankrolled and i dont think the money is there to keep those top players, plus if they want to join us to be in the shop window for football league preventing anyone from moving really scuppers the plan.  I suspect we will see loan players or previously loaned players join in the next few weeks to fill.  Feels like the plans to progress fall on next year or the year after.  Any talk of playoffs as we offload strong players is daft though
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Strong summer needed on January 29, 2023, 03:03:57 PM
I'm absolutely streaming
Title: Re: Borehamwood Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on January 29, 2023, 06:57:38 PM
Listening to Parky, he's clearly trying to bring fresh blood in. But its difficult. Sounds like Toby may be on way... Were transitioning again and its not what he wants but where we are.

Now talking about the reserves v Vauxhall as low on players and cannot risk first teamers for injury worries...

On Goodson, as I thought and mentioned, may get back after a month if fitness and promise coming through. Hope so.

Tougher times ahead.