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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Hugh on November 20, 2022, 01:20:56 AM
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This is a new record crowd for this level of football, and by a big margin, with Notts breaking their own record set last season. Surely it is now impossible to deny that with crowds like this, and average NL crowds over 3,000 and every club currently averaging over 1,000, that the National League is now effectively "League 3", and should have three or four promotion places. It seems ridiculous that Barrow could be voted out after finishing third from bottom and yet now a club finishing in the same position is safe (though perhaps Rochdale supporters would disagree!).
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We've never agreed on anything more, Hugh.
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Anyone tell us the previous record crowd?
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12 thousand and something. Also notts county vs someone last season
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12,843 vs. Solihull Moors, according to Football Web Pages. Lincoln City were the first team to get a really big Conference crowd (around 10,000 in 1989 or 1990). This though is in a different league, not far below the highest FL2 crowds of recent years.
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It's a shame they all got to see a 0 - 0 draw
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12,843 vs. Solihull Moors, according to Football Web Pages. Lincoln City were the first team to get a really big Conference crowd (around 10,000 in 1989 or 1990). This though is in a different league, not far below the highest FL2 crowds of recent years.
This mention of Lincoln crowds in that season makes me wonder if they are also the answer to the question of if we had played in front of 10,000 in the conference before Wrexham. We lost 0-5 there when they were on a bit of a roll.
Anyhow, here’s a brief clip of our 0-0 draw in the home game against them that season.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kUU1ymxeNhA
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And here’s a clip you might have seen from the 84/85 season. I’ve seen most of these but don’t remember this one.
Interesting for the younger lads* for the clips of the ground (and Alty town centre).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYxHNioMZ7c
* they might not find it interesting to be fair 😂
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In the early years of the ALL there was talk of 10k plus gates at the likes of Yeovil v Weymouth.
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The 0-5 defeat at Lincoln was played in front of a crowd of 2720
The highest crowd in the first season of the APL was 4892 for Yeovil v Weymouth
The largest ever non-League crowd before Saturday was 16254 for Dulwich Hamlet v Nunhead in the Isthmian League in 1931. Also until Saturday the Midland League game between Peterborough United and Boston United in 1956 saw an attendance of 13341 and their game against Kings Lynn that same season had over 12000
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12,843 vs. Solihull Moors, according to Football Web Pages. Lincoln City were the first team to get a really big Conference crowd (around 10,000 in 1989 or 1990). This though is in a different league, not far below the highest FL2 crowds of recent years.
This mention of Lincoln crowds in that season makes me wonder if they are also the answer to the question of if we had played in front of 10,000 in the conference before Wrexham. We lost 0-5 there when they were on a bit of a roll.
Anyhow, here’s a brief clip of our 0-0 draw in the home game against them that season.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kUU1ymxeNhA
That was rather a curious evening, as the attendance of 2,398 was swelled by irate Stockport County supporters who had ventured along to vent their spleen at Lincoln City's manager Colin Murphy, who had recently abandoned Edgeley Park for Sincil Bank.
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Not forgetting we held the Conf record attendance for about a week
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The 0-5 defeat at Lincoln was played in front of a crowd of 2720
The highest crowd in the first season of the APL was 4892 for Yeovil v Weymouth
The largest ever non-League crowd before Saturday was 16254 for Dulwich Hamlet v Nunhead in the Isthmian League in 1931. Also until Saturday the Midland League game between Peterborough United and Boston United in 1956 saw an attendance of 13341 and their game against Kings Lynn that same season had over 12000
I seem to remember Yeovil getting a crowd of around 8,000 one season when they were promoted to the Conference from the Isthmian league. And I know that the likes of Dulwich used to get some very high crowds in the Amateur Cup, or at least in the final. But our old rivals Wigan used to get some very high FA Cup crowds, so I assume they would have got a few pretty large crowds in their NPL days at some point - or indeed in the Cheshire League, which was really more of a North West/ North Midlands/ North Wales league (and it would be interesting to see a list of teams who played in the CL when it was one of the top leagues outside the FL). Anyhow, Wigan must have been doing something right as they were the only Northern team to get elected to the FL after the end of the Third Division South and the more Southerly clubs apparently went all huffy about having to play "oop Narth".
Interestingly, last season (before the relegation of Oldham) the representation of Lancashire clubs in the Football League was as high as it had ever been - and non-existent in the National League!
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According to the report of the Woking game in the NLP, we nearly brought all three points back to Lancashire! 🤯😂😂
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The largest ever non-League crowd before Saturday was 16254 for Dulwich Hamlet v Nunhead in the Isthmian League in 1931. Also until Saturday the Midland League game between Peterborough United and Boston United in 1956 saw an attendance of 13341 and their game against Kings Lynn that same season had over 12000
You have omitted the Southern League, Bill, which had the biggest league crowd between two non-League teams as we know them now when Ipswich Town played Colchester United in front of 23,449 on 5 February 1938. There were bigger attendances before the First World War at the likes of Tottenham Hotspur and Queens Park Rangers, but the Football League only had two divisions then, so it's not a fair comparison.
Also,I can't remember my source but I am sure I read something once about Port Vale reserves getting a bigger crowd in 1954 for a Cheshire County League match when FA Cup semi-final tickets were on sale. I am reluctant to count a reserve team too, but Notts County still have a way to go to beat Ipswich.
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And here’s a clip you might have seen from the 84/85 season. I’ve seen most of these but don’t remember this one.
Interesting for the younger lads* for the clips of the ground (and Alty town centre).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYxHNioMZ7c
* they might not find it interesting to be fair 😂
I love the clip of Saint and Greavsie (probably also not interesting to the younger lads!). Also, note the wine bar advert in the Lincoln clip. And there was me thinking it was later they came to Altrincham...
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Not too many seasons later, Ipswich went on to win the football league, arguably the most remarkable football league win.
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Not too many seasons later, Ipswich went on to win the football league, arguably the most remarkable football league win.
Yes, Ipswich have a remarkable history, Up to 1935, they were in the Southern Amateur League, as distinct from the Southern League, playing league matches against teams including Civil Service, Barclays Bank and Lloyds Bank!
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And here’s a clip you might have seen from the 84/85 season. I’ve seen most of these but don’t remember this one.
Interesting for the younger lads* for the clips of the ground (and Alty town centre).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYxHNioMZ7c
* they might not find it interesting to be fair 😂
Whatever happened to Stuart Hall?
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The 0-5 defeat at Lincoln was played in front of a crowd of 2720
The highest crowd in the first season of the APL was 4892 for Yeovil v Weymouth
The largest ever non-League crowd before Saturday was 16254 for Dulwich Hamlet v Nunhead in the Isthmian League in 1931. Also until Saturday the Midland League game between Peterborough United and Boston United in 1956 saw an attendance of 13341 and their game against Kings Lynn that same season had over 12000
I seem to remember Yeovil getting a crowd of around 8,000 one season when they were promoted to the Conference from the Isthmian league. And I know that the likes of Dulwich used to get some very high crowds in the Amateur Cup, or at least in the final. But our old rivals Wigan used to get some very high FA Cup crowds, so I assume they would have got a few pretty large crowds in their NPL days at some point - or indeed in the Cheshire League, which was really more of a North West/ North Midlands/ North Wales league (and it would be interesting to see a list of teams who played in the CL when it was one of the top leagues outside the FL). Anyhow, Wigan must have been doing something right as they were the only Northern team to get elected to the FL after the end of the Third Division South and the more Southerly clubs apparently went all huffy about having to play "oop Narth".
Interestingly, last season (before the relegation of Oldham) the representation of Lancashire clubs in the Football League was as high as it had ever been - and non-existent in the National League!
Pretty sure the NPL record crowd was 8,107 at Wigan v Stafford in 1970 a week before their 1-0 defeat by City to a late Colin Bell goal in the FA Cup . In the previous round they beat Peterborough at Springfield Park before over 17,000 ! Gordon Milne's Wigan went on to win the NPL but did them no good at all at the Div 4 re - election farce , getting far fewer votes than Hereford who were Southern League runners up ! Next season of course despiite them being runners up again , Hereford had that famous Cup run and got League election at the expense of Barrow who were sacrificed for other reasons as well as Herefords cup heroics i.e. geographical location and also having that season installed a Speedway track which cut across the four corners of the pitch .
Incidentally Hereford never did win the Southern League title and at best were 2nd on only 3 occasions . Crazy but true .
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And here’s a clip you might have seen from the 84/85 season. I’ve seen most of these but don’t remember this one.
Interesting for the younger lads* for the clips of the ground (and Alty town centre).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYxHNioMZ7c
* they might not find it interesting to be fair 😂
I love the clip of Saint and Greavsie (probably also not interesting to the younger lads!). Also, note the wine bar advert in the Lincoln clip. And there was me thinking it was later they came to Altrincham...
First time I think I ever saw the SC**thorpe keeper knee John King in the nuts. I was there that night as a kid....saw King go down but hadn't seen what had precisely happened as I was quite far away.
Happy days !!
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I was stood behind the goals at the Chequers End, as it was then; there was a lose ball in the box. Kingy ran towards Joe Neenan growling and aggressive. Neenan got to the ball just before him, but at the same time ensured his knee made contact with Kingy's meat and two veg. Kingy groaned and crumpled up on the floor in agony and the referee immediately pointed to the spot without hesitation. We were too busy celebrating the penalty award, but it was a fair bit of time before Kingy got up. Joe Neenan took umbrage as Kingy charged him, it must have been pretty intimidating!
The incident was fully mentioned in Ian Botham's autobiography, Joe Neenan was a close friend of Ian Botham. He did speak to Beefy a great deal afterwards as he contemplated being at fault for Scunny going out of the FA Cup. I can still see this happening in my mind's eye, I was directly behind the goal about 7ft away from the incident. I still remember shouting a loud 'Oy ref' when it happened.
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I was also at the Chequers end Steve, however the incident happened in front of the Golf Road .
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Presumably there would have been segregation for these matches even then? I remember a story about a group of Rochdale supporters in the Golf Road End for their cup match here, but I'm not sure they were supposed to be there!
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I'm positive it was the chequers end, but I wonder if I am confusing it with the game where John Hughes scored in a 3-1 victory?
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I'm positive it was the chequers end, but I wonder if I am confusing it with the game where John Hughes scored in a 3-1 victory?
I was in the stand and it definitely was at the golf road end.
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There's literally footage of it happening at the Golf Rd End in the link above.
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It was in front of the Golf Rd and there were about 100 SC**thorpe fans on the terrace too although they were rather quiet. Wasn’t segregated or if it was not properly.
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I was to the right of the goal on the Golf Road that fantastic night. So many years ago!
Kingy was my absolute hero, to this young lad he was a colossus. Great memories.
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Yep you're right I stand corrected, I was still behind the incident as I remember Kingy going down, but cannot see myself in the picture.
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We've never agreed on anything more, Hugh.
Yes indeedy, and I would hope we can all agree on the cause of a fair deal for NL teams. I would tentatively suggest that there is some agreement on Marcus Dinanga too, who for my money has proved he can make a contribution to this team, and I hope he continues to improve.
I say AA, was that you a few weeks back at the Barnet game with an Ajax Amsterdam scarf? Or do you prefer not to say? If it was you, maybe I'll come and say hallo some time, now I know who you are. And at any rate, at least I know there is more than one "Dutch" Alty now. You know, that's what I love about Altrincham f.c. - that people of many different backgrounds and beliefs can come together over the football and have a nice chat, and feel comfortable and accepted. And if talking to people is not their thing and they just want to watch the football, why that is fine too! Let's all laugh at Luton, we think they're rooty tootin'...
Say, do you remember my Dutch friend I told you about? I saw him at the York match, and he said he enjoyed it and would like to come again. He also expressed an interest in providing food in the fanzone, so who knows, maybe you will see him (or his colleagues) too some time.
Fun fact: when I started watching football in Scotland in the 1980s, my team Aberdeen signed no less than four Dutch players, which seemed to be the thing to do at the time (I think Dundee United signed a Duch player too - Paatelainen?). One of the Dutchmen signed by the Dons was a brilliant winger called Hans Gilhaus, as I recall, signed from PSV. Apparently they still had plenty of other good players, and I thought that in that case, they must be some team, and I have looked out for their results in Uefa competitions ever since!