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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Sarf London Alty on December 23, 2022, 12:02:18 PM
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So, onto the Xmas double header then against the Shaymen.
Two evenly matched sides who started the season poorly but have gradually got better, after them losing Wild & a number of players in the summer they’ve really bucked their ideas up of late. Still though they’ve only won away twice this season & scored a mere 8 in 11 matches. If we get the first goal we should be on for the win but there won’t be a lot in either match I reckon.
Obvious question about who replaces Newby, as on other thread I’d be tempted to play Jordan Hulme there for now & see what options we have in the market in the new year.
Good as well with the high quality of our pitch you don’t have to worry about winter P-P that often anymore, no doubt it will be on. Hoping for a large gate but they won’t bring as many as last season when they were on an Easter all dayer on the trains so I’m guessing around 2300-2500 but hopefully we can push as near to 3000 as possible.
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Hulme in for Newby and hopefully lundstram for Osbourne.
Alty 2-1 Halifax (Conn-Clarke, Colclough)
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We have a pretty wretched recent record against the Shaymen; let's hope we can put that right in the home fixture at the very least.
Does anyone know if Lundstram is likely to be fit after pulling out in Tuesday's warmup?
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Hate to jinx us but this game has 1-0 for us written all over it with the breakthrough coming on the hour and a backs-to-the-wall end to the match! 😉
Here's hoping eh? 🤞🤞
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Jackson in for Newby
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Wow. Made up with that result. Looking up the table.
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Hulme in for Newby and hopefully lundstram for Osbourne.
Alty 2-1 Halifax (Conn-Clarke, Colclough)
Get in!
Good effort sir!
Much better second half. We went up a level after Ryan got the equaliser, and Parky used his subs well. Ollie Byrne and the back 4 generally looked solid. Understand why Isaac Marriott got mom at that point, then came the great CCC winner, and he had a very good game up to that point as well. Deserved the 3 points, well done lads!!
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Well, what can I say - a truly sensational winning goal to cap what I thought was a sensational individual performance from Chris Conn-Clarke. No disrespect to Isaac Marriott - or to Josh Lundstram who was similarly excellent - but how CCC didn't get the MOM award - goal or otherwise - I haven't a clue. He showed for the ball everywhere, the ball stuck to his feet like glue, and Halifax simply didn't have an answer for him whatsoever.
He's becoming indespensible, we could really do with getting that loan extended as soon as possible.
As a team, I thought we played really well and 2-1 was a fair outcome. Halifax didn't seem to offer too much, there's no reason why we can't go to the Shay and get something on New Year's Day.
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Great second half , great crowd , great end to 2022 and what a bloody great winner 👏
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Much improvement once Jackson and Jennings were replaced.
Good game of football, don't think their keeper will be happy with either goal.
If we come away with a point in the return game it will be a very good Xmas
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Much improvement once Jackson and Jennings were replaced.
Good game of football, don't think their keeper will be happy with either goal.
If we come away with a point in the return game it will be a very good Xmas
Correct mate.
Jennings was really poor, I think he has been OK for us but I still think Hulme holds it up better and Dinanga is more of a threat than both, but can't keep hold of it. I wouldn't start Jennings, lead in his boots.
Need a right winger ASAP to aim for the playoffs.
Marriott gave a perfect CM performance.
Baines is faultless most games.
Those two returning have massively improved us, as predicted.
Con-Clarke was quality today. When him and Colclough are on it we are a danger. What a goal to win it.
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Agree pretty much with everyone. Today we went toe to toe with an excellent team. I couldn't believe it when they took their 9 off - that's the player we could really do with.
An absolute joy to see that winning goal today - worth the admission fee in its own right.
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We should definitely think long and hard about keeping Jennings for any longer - or even permanently - given that what we've seen so far - which has yielded 1 goal - might have been a honeymoon period in itself. He does seem to move like he's got lead in his boots.
Mani Dieseruvwe definitely looks like the sort of centre forward we've been crying out for, compared to what we have ourselves currently.
As mentioned on the other thread, Pringle isn't a starter but perfect for that last half hour - I don't know why Parky doesn't use him more often for that purpose.
We definitely need better than Brad Jackson starting - I'm afraid he looks well off the pace.
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For those sniping at Jennings, give your head a wobble.
People have slagged Dinanga off since we first signed him.
Hulme, as commented, isn't doing what we expected
Jennings has been more than decent. Any player is entitled to a sub optimal game
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Sub optimal! (yum yum)
Maybe it's just that with Colclough and CCC being so good today, and Dinanga looking menacing when he came on, they rather made Jennings look a bit anonymous?
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It's probably fairer to say that I don't think he's definitively proved to me that he's the answer just yet.
Might sound a bit reactive after today, but we all saw what happened when we thought we'd be OK with Jordan leading the line coming into this season.
Nothing wrong with wanting to continue to push for better.
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I can see why some have a different view of Jennings, but I'm in full agreement that he is the best we have had in a long time.
He holds the ball up and brings players into the game really well. He showed some of that today but was perhaps a bit less sharp than usual.
For me, it can be no coincidence that the upturn in form we have seen came after his arrival.
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The upturn in form can be attributed predominantly towards the return of Isaac Marriott, surely.
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The upturn in form can be attributed predominantly towards the return of Isaac Marriott, surely.
Yes I agree, Marriott has been immense and so have many of the other players, but Jennings has been number 9 in our most consistent side. Surely he has made a contribution, rather than been a hindrance?
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For those sniping at Jennings, give your head a wobble.
People have slagged Dinanga off since we first signed him.
Hulme, as commented, isn't doing what we expected
Jennings has been more than decent. Any player is entitled to a sub optimal game
You did describe Baines as a terrible signing and it is very embarrassing that you think Cooper is better than him. Baines is a defender above.
Jennings is wayyyy past his best. Hulme or Dinanga are better options. Newby made Jennings look better than he is, due to being in those positions. Jennings is about flick on's, without two capable wide players he is ineffective, like today.
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I still think that there's a catastrophic mistake in Baines.
Re Jennings' flick ons...surely it's incumbent on other players to anticipate him winning (the majority) of aerial balls and make the required movements to get on the end. I have liked Dinanga, unlike many. In fact I have liked Hulme but, IMO, Jennings is currently a better fit for what we need
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Dont think Baines has made any catastrophic errors.
He's won me over
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I've not been able to see many games this season but today I saw Baines for the first time and he looks like a real quality centre back. He had his work cut out against their number 9 but acquitted himself admirably.
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For those sniping at Jennings, give your head a wobble.
People have slagged Dinanga off since we first signed him.
Hulme, as commented, isn't doing what we expected
Jennings has been more than decent. Any player is entitled to a sub optimal game
You did describe Baines as a terrible signing and it is very embarrassing that you think Cooper is better than him. Baines is a defender above.
Jennings is wayyyy past his best. Hulme or Dinanga are better options. Newby made Jennings look better than he is, due to being in those positions. Jennings is about flick on's, without two capable wide players he is ineffective, like today.
Baines made a terrible start. I don’t think that would be unfair, although he was being moved about and has definitely improved with a run of games in his best possession (and with an actual goalkeeper behind him) but even so I wouldn’t say he was a terrible signing because his age, profile and experience was the target level we should be looking at.
With that in mind, when decisions get made about Jennings eventually, unless he’s really obviously making a difference we might have to accept the fact that Dinanga is 6(?) years younger than both him and Hulme and the striker we have to work with going forward?
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I don't often disagree with Ballers, but Dinanga has never convinced me, and I think we still need to source a genuinely threatening no.9
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The team are full of confidence and playing really well , what an amazing transformation when 12 weeks ago we were bottom with no wins from 9 games and most of us were doubting the management duo to turn the tide . The players are rightly being lauded for the turnaround and full marks too for Phil and Neil . Great work guys 👏
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We will never be a playoff threat if we dont have an out and out goalscorers. Especially if our wingers are loans/keep getting poached due to be our top scorers...
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I agree entirely with Swindelsworth's post. It goes to show ongoing that Phil and Neil are the right management team for this club. Sone of our fans are too quick to criticise when things do go slightly awry. The season did not start well, but there were many changes during close season, including the dynamic of the team going part to full time. The loss of Matty and Isaac did not help. We have improved and potentially are play-off chasers. There is currently no pressure on us, just lets see how far we can go, and develop from there.
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We are way off being ready for the play offs imho but we're getting there and it's great to be looking up rather than down.
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I don't often disagree with Ballers, but Dinanga has never convinced me, and I think we still need to source a genuinely threatening no.9
Surely if Goodwin is only at Torquay till Jan, we ask Stoke to send him here instead? Fits the exact profile in terms of age and all-round game that we'd be looking for. Then we just send Jennings back and say thank you.
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It was'nt too long ago many would have been happy to finish fifth bottom , now we're talking play - offs . Love it 🤗
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I think it's glaringly obvious that we need replacements in two areas. Jackson and Jennings were weak links yesterday and Dinanga isn't the solution.
Sort out those two positions and we are in with a chance of the playoffs.
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I wholeheartedly agree but I would be amazed if we managed to get get two quality replacements in at this window.
Personally I'd settle for keeping all the current squad - especially CCC and Coco (and Marriott!)
If we've got the chance to bring anyone in that would be an utter bonus.
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I wholeheartedly agree but I would be amazed if we managed to get get two quality replacements in at this window.
Personally I'd settle for keeping all the current squad - especially CCC and Coco (and Marriott!)
If we've got the chance to bring anyone in that would be an utter bonus.
Agree with the fact that, sadly, keeping things as they are might be an achievement given plenty of our players will have been courting attention.
But I do think we can genuinely strengthen in those two areas - I think there are players available.
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No idea why we aren't giving Jordan a few games, see how he does. Thought he did well last Tuesday.
He would still cause a lot more problems than Jennings.
Right winger is priority. What is the crack with Kaja? he really needs to sort out his playing career.
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Some Oldham supporters are convinced that they have signed Colclough:
https://www.owtb.co.uk/topic/53671-signing-player-rumours/page/58/ (https://www.owtb.co.uk/topic/53671-signing-player-rumours/page/58/)
Let's hope he doesn't but if he does hopefully they will pay a very large amount although it would be undisclosed
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Noting that the perpetrator of this story calls himself Lee Sinnott it looks more than a wee bit dodgy . Why on earth would he go there ??? Surely he would only move upwards.
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That's the biggest load of Tosh I have ever heard in my life.
Why would Colclough go to Oldham? A team struggling near the bottom, with poor management and disillusioned fans. When he is loved at our place. Despite the size of the club, the whole ethos seems to be wrong there. The Oldham fans sound pretty deluded there too, and somewhat desperate that they have to try and de-stabilize our club.
Any money that Dan Mooney has some regrets about going to Southend, hopefully Ryan and others will learn from that experience.
The grass ain't always greener on the other side. Our club is building from strength to strength, why would any player throw that away now?
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That's the biggest load of Tosh I have ever heard in my life.
Why would Colclough go to Oldham? A team struggling near the bottom, with poor management and disillusioned fans. When he is loved at our place. Despite the size of the club, the whole ethos seems to be wrong there. The Oldham fans sound pretty deluded there too, and somewhat desperate that they have to try and de-stabilize our club.
Any money that Dan Mooney has some regrets about going to Southend, hopefully Ryan and others will learn from that experience.
The grass ain't always greener on the other side. Our club is building from strength to strength, why would any player throw that away now?
More money? Family to support? Higher living costs? No real impact on travelling? A good dressing room and having your name chanted doesn't pay the bills. I hope he stays of course but I wouldn't blame him if the maths made the decision.
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Oldham have recently signed Joe Nuttall from SC**thorpe United (an unconfirmed transfer fee of £100k was relayed to me yesterday), so they are clearly throwing money at their current predicament.
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Probably an hour and a halfs less driving a day.
For me the money would have to be really good and I'm not sure Oldham have got any other than gate receipts. Owner wants to spend on getting the ground sorted.
For what it's worth I monitor the Oldham board cos I have a mate who is a fan. Lee Sinnott has been posting on there for many years. No idea if he has an inside track or not. Time will tell.
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I don't often disagree with Ballers, but Dinanga has never convinced me, and I think we still need to source a genuinely threatening no.9
Sorry, yeh I’m not overly down on Dinanga and I’m not suggesting he’d be my first choice either. I’m just saying if we’re at the stage of ‘persevering’ with him, Jordan or Connor rather than them clearly being the man then really we should go with the younger player (who has room for improvement). And that’s from someone who generally walks around saying “sign some adults”.
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Very sad news.
A lovely bloke, very friendly and a truly committed Alty fan.
Is Shirley still alive? I remember her restoring a certain glint in his eye
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Wrong thread.
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Some Oldham supporters are convinced that they have signed Colclough:
https://www.owtb.co.uk/topic/53671-signing-player-rumours/page/58/ (https://www.owtb.co.uk/topic/53671-signing-player-rumours/page/58/)
Let's hope he doesn't but if he does hopefully they will pay a very large amount although it would be undisclosed
Interesting that they talk about James Berry too.
Did we just let him go in the end, or did we put a deal in place? Seems he's getting a lot of attention.
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I seem to recall that we got some money for him didn't we? Can't imagine it was too much though.
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Oafc twitter saying Ryan is a done deal and even show him on a team sheet are the club going to confirm one way or another today??
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Where? Can’t see it
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I'm well known on here for very rarely being critical of the Club but in situations like this they really are slow in coming out with statements for us, the fans.
I recognise they can't always respond to online rumours but I think in this case they might have made an exception.
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The board can't say anything until negotiations are concluded and the other club has made an announcement. Also if the oldham deal falls through, I'm sure there will be other bids, so they can't even say he is staying.
The club is on a different level now, so we shouldn't expect ongoing commentary from the board.
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Where? Can’t see it
I think he’s using ‘oafc Twitter’ as shorthand for general Oldham fans on Twitter as opposed to anything from the official Oldham Twitter account.
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On edge, waiting for bad news.
Surely we can at least give an update on Con-Clarke.....
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What if the club isn't saying anything because there's genuinely nothing to say? Just a thought.
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The board can't say anything until negotiations are concluded and the other club has made an announcement. Also if the oldham deal falls through, I'm sure there will be other bids, so they can't even say he is staying.
The club is on a different level now, so we shouldn't expect ongoing commentary from the board.
Nonsense. The club could say there have been bids without divulging much more.
Also, we may be on a different level now but aren't we supposed to be a family club? And aren't we part of the family?
We're at the same level as, for example, Oldham and apparently word has got out at their end (to put a bit of pressure on). We need to be as savvy as them.
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The board can't say anything until negotiations are concluded and the other club has made an announcement. Also if the oldham deal falls through, I'm sure there will be other bids, so they can't even say he is staying.
The club is on a different level now, so we shouldn't expect ongoing commentary from the board.
Nonsense. The club could say there have been bids without divulging much more.
Also, we may be on a different level now but aren't we supposed to be a family club? And aren't we part of the family?
We're at the same level as, for example, Oldham and apparently word has got out at their end (to put a bit of pressure on). We need to be as savvy as them.
How does the club officially tell "the family" about ongoing transfer discussions without divulging it to the whole world?
Have Oldham actually issued anything official? If they haven't then nor should we.
Why is it so important for us to know officially that we have received a bid for a player? Is it just to satisfy our curiosity?
We're a full time, professional club and I would have no problem with things being kept quiet in terms of transfer dealings until everything is completed. I don't honestly see what the issue is.
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Must just be me then.
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I would imagine that after Boxing Day, Conn-Clarke will return to his parent club.
I don't know anything about Ryan's contract. If there is a transfer clause in it, we are pretty much snookered - if not, the club will probably take the hit and lose him for nothing in the summer.
You'd imagine that with these outcomes fairly likely, the club will have earmarked quality replacements.
On the other hand, you never know. Here's to hoping.
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why would he want to leave a club 1 point from the play offs to join one heading for VCN ?
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Must just be me then.
And me. We should at least be updated on any potential loan extension for Con-Clarke....
If Ryan has signed for Oldham, we seriously need to nail down whatever potential targets we have in mind as priority. They already need to be at the level.
Losing Newby was a kick in the guts, but to lose Colclough and Con-Clarke aswell would kill us.
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why would he want to leave a club 1 point from the play offs to join one heading for VCN ?
Double wage and football is a short career in non league.
Less travelling.
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I seem to remember we received a nominal fee.