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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: TheGolfRoadView on April 15, 2017, 12:21:29 AM
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I'd be interested to hear from anyone who was at the Curzon game about the behaviour of a few Alty fans, in particular to those who gave abuse to Clayton McDonald. Now he obviously had a poor game but to hear a group of beered up Alty fans giving him aload of abuse and chanting for him to be replaced by Sam Heathcote was just embarrassing and pathetic. Matt Doherty must have thought he had no choice but to take him off shortly after. This same group then proceeded to make foul mouthed anti Rowley chants, personally I think Rowley should go, but this sort of abuse is again embarrassing. If ever there was a reason not to allow drinking on the terraces next season it was this sort of behaviour from this group of Alty Fans. We need more support than ever next season and this sort of behaviour will cost the club support by putting people off. To this group you should take a long look at yourselves, you aren't funny, you can't take your beer and why not dont embarrass the club, the team on the pitch have done enough of that already this season.
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I was at the game. The biggest embarrassment was that Matt Doughty needed to watch Clayton in a game to make a decision about him. He was absolutely appalling , which I could have predicted after watching him warm up the other week at home. It was an absolute insult to us fans to put a player 5 stone overweight in a first team game. Absolute joke. As for the Rowley chants, well i personally think he has got off lightly all in all this season. The other chants were taken in good spirits be the players to be fair.
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Ooo don't cry
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Warburton is a Robin.
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During another of the keepers lapse in concentration he said Alty fans were whining because of the grief McDonald got. Its not his fault we are rubbish, he is just one of fifty odd players we've used. I am surprised its taken so long for fans to have a pop at some of the players. Rowley is an embarrassment.
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Heaven forbid a few lads who've been home and away all season have a bit of a laugh.
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I was stood behind the goal we were kicking at when all this happened, and I viewed it the same way as the original poster - Golf Road View. I felt sorry for Clayton yesterday, a personal attack on a player is not the way we support the club and players. I did feel the chanting affected decisions, but Clayton's performance was just a little rusty, but he intimidated the opposition. He did make one or two minor errors, but not really enough to warrant the abuse he had. How he must have felt walking off the pitch after being substituted I do not know, but Matt's decision was right at the time, whether influenced by the chanters or not. The other players will not have liked that either.
I am sorry for Clayton and what he endured. I never like to see individual scapegoats and I do hope he is thick-skinned enough to take it. I have always considered my fellow fans to be fair-minded and enjoy a good match, but that was not supporting the club and I for one was embarrassed. I also feel we should look to the future now as we rebuild, the anti-Rowley brigade did nothing to encourage that yesterday. Yes there have been some wrong decisions made in the past, but there have also been some good decisions made more recently, not least the price reduction which will lead me to renew my season ticket. The chanting should have been for the team, especially in the light of the final result.
We should be standing together with the team now, not rashly picking on individuals and the chairman; or believe me you WILL de-stabilise the club.
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Should that read "Steve from Planet Zog"
We're past de-stabilising or do you have another meaning for that phrase? The place is in meltdown at Defcom 1, I kindly suggest a stronger brand of coffee and the inhalation of it rather than the drinking of it.
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Ignoring this
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You must have a heart of stone mate
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I'd be interested to hear from anyone who was at the Curzon game about the behaviour of a few Alty fans, in particular to those who gave abuse to Clayton McDonald. Now he obviously had a poor game but to hear a group of beered up Alty fans giving him aload of abuse and chanting for him to be replaced by Sam Heathcote was just embarrassing and pathetic. Matt Doherty must have thought he had no choice but to take him off shortly after. This same group then proceeded to make foul mouthed anti Rowley chants, personally I think Rowley should go, but this sort of abuse is again embarrassing. If ever there was a reason not to allow drinking on the terraces next season it was this sort of behaviour from this group of Alty Fans. We need more support than ever next season and this sort of behaviour will cost the club support by putting people off. To this group you should take a long look at yourselves, you aren't funny, you can't take your beer and why not dont embarrass the club, the team on the pitch have done enough of that already this season.
Could you please provide a list of club approve chants that we are allowed to sing.
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The club are lucky anyone is still turning up to watch full stop. You'd have had near riots at some clubs if they'd had the same 18 months as we have had. You've needed to be in drink to watch most games this season
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I am sure Clayton McDonald has endured much worse in his League career or in that high profile trial in which he was acquitted! He didn't look too traumatised at the end of the game when he rushed past me, leaving the ground before I did, and showing more pace than he ever did during the game.
However, he was terrible yesterday just as he was in his last game at Stockport, and this really isn't the fans' fault. Their actions are a reaction, not a cause. I am off to see a game in the bottom division of the North West Counties League today and expect to see better performances.
I would be more worried that, although I celebrated the slightly fortunate win, any win in this meaningless end of the season will be seen as reason to appoint Matt Doughty.
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We risk destabilization at the club . Heaven forbid that should ever happen. I mean 3 managers in a season and over 50 players used would be madness wouldnt it
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I was amazed at how many fans we took to curzon. Full credit to those that went. Clayton got off lightly. Is it really to much to ask first team squad players to keep themselves matchfit?
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He was absolutely atrocious and I hope I never see him in the red and white again.
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People should be standing together in getting Rowley out because if he stays on we will never come back up,however he isn't stupid he knows what Alty fans are about He's dropped the prices and all is forgiven,I can't stand together with the gullible
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People should be standing together in getting Rowley out because if he stays on we will never come back up,however he isn't stupid he knows what Alty fans are about He's dropped the prices and all is forgiven,I can't stand together will the gullible
This.
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People should be standing together in getting Rowley out because if he stays on we will never come back up,however he isn't stupid he knows what Alty fans are about He's dropped the prices and all is forgiven,I can't stand together will the gullible
Spot on Jimmy
Rowley out needs to be mobilised again without delay, he has made fools of us all
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People should be standing together in getting Rowley out because if he stays on we will never come back up,however he isn't stupid he knows what Alty fans are about He's dropped the prices and all is forgiven,I can't stand together will the gullible
Spot on Jimmy
Rowley out needs to be mobilised again without delay, he has made fools of us all
We're expecting an announcement in May about the possible investment hence why it was called off ?
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Even with investment if Rowley is still around to piss it up the wall it's no use also if i was an investor and the fans were happy with 2 relegations I'd think this lot don't deserve my money
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Even with investment if Rowley is still around to piss it's no use also if i was an investor and the fans were happy with 2 relegations I'd think this lot don't deserve my money
Dont think hes actually said he will stand down as chairman investment or not
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Even with investment if Rowley is still around to piss it's no use also if i was an investor and the fans were happy with 2 relegations I'd think this lot don't deserve my money
Yes Rowley out should be our first and foremost concern - he is a cancer within the club, any investment is a waste of time whilst he is in post
And this is where I fear the group that met with the cancer got it badly wrong - there should have been no dirty deals, Rowley out should mean Rowley out regardless
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He was absolutely atrocious and I hope I never see him in the red and white again.
What about the yellow kit?
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Even with investment if Rowley is still around to piss it's no use also if i was an investor and the fans were happy with 2 relegations I'd think this lot don't deserve my money
Dont think hes actually said he will stand down as chairman investment or not
Exactly
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Why should we feel sorry for the players? They are getting paid to arrive at the venues and fulfill a fixture. Most of the players have under performed in the last 18 months so they deserve the criticism.
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It's pointless slagging off your own players DURING a match, unless you actually want them to fail.
MacDonald is really overweight. Whoever the manager/chairman is, he won't be with us next season.
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Define "really overweight" on a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Craig Hobson and 10 is Michael Twiss.
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Define "really overweight" on a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Craig Hobson and 10 is Michael Twiss.
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Define "really overweight" on a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Craig Hobson and 10 is Michael Twiss.
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I'm a 13 myself.
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I thought Rowley was leaving? Wasn't that why the protest was cancelled?
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I thought Rowley was leaving? Wasn't that why the protest was cancelled?
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Don't thing that was quoted in the joint statement
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I thought Rowley was leaving? Wasn't that why the protest was cancelled?
Not at all but nobody putting in serious money would trust that to such a poor strategic decision maker.
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I stand my what i said. There's no doubt Clayton McDonald had a nightmare 15 mins in the 2nd half, his awful back pass which went for a corner particularly stands out, but to get a group of Alty Fans slagging him off so vocally I thought was embarrassing. Add in the fact they all thought they were being really clever and funny just made it worse. If you're going to slag off an Alty player would it be better doing it on here or in the bar after the game than during a match. Shouldn't we be better than that?
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Interesting to see how many would be brave enough to slag him off to his face man to man in a different setting. All brave in groups with a few beers down them.
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Interesting to see how many would be brave enough to slag him off to his face man to man in a different setting. All brave in groups with a few beers down them.
Quite a large number if they didn't have the microphone dragged away from them.
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Somehow I don't believe that
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Interesting to see how many would be brave enough to slag him off to his face man to man in a different setting. All brave in groups with a few beers down them.
I know what you're saying Dan, but surely you aren't advocating supporters confronting players in their personal lives away from football? Or are you suggesting that only paying customers who are willing to fight the player concerned should be allowed to express their displeasure from the terraces?
Anyway, who cares. Is any one even going to remember who Clayton McDonald is in 3 weeks time? Probably not.
(Edited because I got his name wrong! Which says it all really...)
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Interesting to see how many would be brave enough to slag him off to his face man to man in a different setting. All brave in groups with a few beers down them.
Id be quite happy to tell Clayton that he is grossly overweight (though I doubt he needs telling) and Id be quite happy to tell Matt Doughty that putting in a player so horribly unfit into first team game is an insult to paying fans. Id have had him lapping the car park with a bin bag on whilst the game was being played. I would argue that supporting such dreadful decisions and poor standards is actually more harmful to the club than speaking out and letting the management and player know that this sort of nonsense isn't acceptable at Alty FC. These players are picking up wages lets not forget and have a duty to get fit.
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Spot on last post, shows us up to be a shambolic, amateurish and hopeless outfit, a complete embarrassment to the once proud name of Alty F.C. Might as well throw the cleaner on, if we had one, for the next game.
New lows will happen unless the current regime leave.
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I want even there yesterday but personally I wouldn't even blame him . He was selected to play . He played
Let's hold those accountable that need to be.
Huge changes needed
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I remember a player called Clayton Blackmore nick name sun bed
I don't no this other guy an it will not stick in my memory for a long time after the thread is over
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So Matt Doughty made a substitution because a bloke who was 3 stone overweight was heckled by fans?
Fans of a team that had just been relegated?
To it's lowest point in 114 years?
And the fans are the reason he made the substitution?
Says more about the manager than the fans to me...
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Interesting to see how many would be brave enough to slag him off to his face man to man in a different setting. All brave in groups with a few beers down them.
Just write down what we as fans can and can't do. It'll save these pointless threads.
Are we allowed to support Lawreence Taylor? Just checking.
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We're normally a little bit above giving our own players stick under normal circumstances. These aren't really normal circumstances though are they?
Not everyones view but for me any points gained between now and the end of the season just make me more annoyed, rather than fist clenched celebration. Speedboat and bullseye spring to mind, perhaps we could run out against Kidderminster to the slower version of the music they used to play on the show.
Some of those chancers are lucky not to have been charged with fraud this season for taking a wage out of the place. Doughty is to be applauded for throwing in an out of condition player called McDonalds to provide some amusement in this pantomime season, in amongst those that were "magnificent" of course.
Bring on the relaunch and let's start on the road to getting our pride back, the fact that Claytons pride may have been hurt is the least of our worries.
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Don't really know what happened and not particularly bothered but at a guess Doughty took him off for a poor performance and not because a handful of people were heckling him
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Don't really know what happened and not particularly bothered but at a guess Doughty took him off for a poor performance and not because a handful of people were heckling him
Doughty's post match interview on the main site doesn't mention abuse, and implies McDonald had a decent game. I'm sure his scripts are written by the Brothers Grimm. Or even Grimmer.
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I remember a player called Clayton Blackmore nick name sun bed
I don't no this other guy an it will not stick in my memory for a long time after the thread is over
I had Clayton in my pocket in the staff supporters game .. my claim to fame
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Interesting to see how many would be brave enough to slag him off to his face man to man in a different setting. All brave in groups with a few beers down them.
Are you condoning violence then Dingo because I'm sure it wouldn't be an amicable confrontation? I wasn't there yesterday so wasn't involved but for the record I'd quite happily tell Clayton McDonald to his face that he's not fit enough to be playing for a wage.
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He's just another f'ing waster in a season dominated by f'ing wasters.
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Is it right that we couldn't name a full bench on Friday? Where was Tomlinson? Doughty said last week he'd be giving Cain and Foster a chance. Where were they?
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Sitting in the main stand, it didn't seem as though any chanting affected our management, judging by the way they celebrated
winning the league a jammy 3-2 win against on holiday Curzon Ashton.
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I've just read the match report. We did have a full bench after all. Just no place for Tomlinson, Foster and Cain. What is glaring is the lack of information after the Brackley capitulation. No interviews on the club website yet within 24 hours of an away win MD is ready to take the plaidits . It is almost as if the club are trying to make him look good. Especially if you read the last column of John Laidlar's match report.
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But we were pants against Curzon. So little to beat. Only a fool would use that as a positive. There was NOTHING to suggest that team would win anything next season.
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I've just read the match report. We did have a full bench after all. Just no place for Tomlinson, Foster and Cain. What is glaring is the lack of information after the Brackley capitulation. No interviews on the club website yet within 24 hours of an away win MD is ready to take the plaidits . It is almost as if the club are trying to make him look good. Especially if you read the last column of John Laidlar's match report.
Interview with Doughty has been on the club website since last night. Cain and Hobson expected to feature for at least part of tomorrow's match.
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I've just read the match report. We did have a full bench after all. Just no place for Tomlinson, Foster and Cain. What is glaring is the lack of information after the Brackley capitulation. No interviews on the club website yet within 24 hours of an away win MD is ready to take the plaidits . It is almost as if the club are trying to make him look good. Especially if you read the last column of John Laidlar's match report.
Interview with Doughty has been on the club website since last night. Cain and Hobson expected to feature for at least part of tomorrow's match.
Not a lotta people know that
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I've just read the match report. We did have a full bench after all. Just no place for Tomlinson, Foster and Cain. What is glaring is the lack of information after the Brackley capitulation. No interviews on the club website yet within 24 hours of an away win MD is ready to take the plaidits . It is almost as if the club are trying to make him look good. Especially if you read the last column of John Laidlar's match report.
My dad and I were wondering the same thing re.the lack of interviews after the Brackley game. Following Alty these days, it's very easy to be cynical.
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Sorry Phil, my post was very clear. I was referring to the fact the the post-Curzon interview HAD appeared within 24 hours but the post-Brackley interviews had not despite being on our own patch too.
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Sorry Phil, my post was very clear. I was referring to the fact the the post-Curzon interview HAD appeared within 24 hours but the post-Brackley interviews had not despite being on our own patch too.
Apologies....just reread it, mea culpa !
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I've just read the match report. We did have a full bench after all. Just no place for Tomlinson, Foster and Cain. What is glaring is the lack of information after the Brackley capitulation. No interviews on the club website yet within 24 hours of an away win MD is ready to take the plaidits . It is almost as if the club are trying to make him look good. Especially if you read the last column of John Laidlar's match report.
I interviewed Matt Doughty after the Brackley game, but decided to use the audio file as the basis for the 'Altrincham Today' article, rather than posting it on the website.
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https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/ (https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/)
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Why does Altrincham Today , which nobody reads , get preference over the club's own website Brian?
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I remember a player called Clayton Blackmore nick name sun bed
I don't no this other guy an it will not stick in my memory for a long time after the thread is over
I had Clayton in my pocket in the staff supporters game .. my claim to fame
We both know that's a falsification. He was in my back pocket and there's photo evidence of me keeping him under control (by accidentally grabbing his tackle)!
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I remember a player called Clayton Blackmore nick name sun bed
I don't no this other guy an it will not stick in my memory for a long time after the thread is over
I had Clayton in my pocket in the staff supporters game .. my claim to fame
We both know that's a falsification. He was in my back pocket and there's photo evidence of me keeping him under control (by accidentally grabbing his tackle)!
Bit of a handful.
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https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/ (https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/)
my favourite bit was:
After the game, a few fans chanted for the Warrington-born manager to ‘stay’. But it’s unlikely at this stage. Although the pressure on Rowley has stabilised, with the RowleyOut campaign coming to a halt, the contempt is still there, bubbling away under the surface, and potentially prompting him into another rash, dangerous call – to be rid of Doughty
Who the f**k chanted for Doughty to stay?
Also I thought the RowleyOut campaign was merely on hold until/if Rowley stands down at the May board meeting?
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Not giving MD the job is not rash. It's common sense.
That article is written with a rose tinted biro. It fails to acknowledge that our surge in points per game tally in the last 11 games is in keeping with history for most sides in our position at this stage of the season. At best MD has achieved the bang average and hopefully our stats guru will have little trouble pointing that out... if he's allowed to.
Come on. We've played teams in demise and teams with nothing to play for. We've got a squad full of desperadoes who either want a chance of another contract or need to show potential suitors their form has been a symptom of our position and not a cause. I've thought MD has acquitted himself well and deserves credit. But credit is a big thanks for sticking with a lame horse and a fantastic reference for his next employer to peruse. He's not ready, simple as that. If he's the best applicant then it's just demonstration of how far we've sunk.
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https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/ (https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/)
my favourite bit was:
After the game, a few fans chanted for the Warrington-born manager to ‘stay’. But it’s unlikely at this stage. Although the pressure on Rowley has stabilised, with the RowleyOut campaign coming to a halt, the contempt is still there, bubbling away under the surface, and potentially prompting him into another rash, dangerous call – to be rid of Doughty
Who the f**k chanted for Doughty to stay?
Also I thought the RowleyOut campaign was merely on hold until/if Rowley stands down at the May board meeting?
I heard no such chants. I suspect this is made up.
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https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/ (https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/overweight-centre-back-booed-off-as-altrincham-claim-another-doughty-win/)
my favourite bit was:
After the game, a few fans chanted for the Warrington-born manager to ‘stay’. But it’s unlikely at this stage. Although the pressure on Rowley has stabilised, with the RowleyOut campaign coming to a halt, the contempt is still there, bubbling away under the surface, and potentially prompting him into another rash, dangerous call – to be rid of Doughty
Who the f**k chanted for Doughty to stay?
Also I thought the RowleyOut campaign was merely on hold until/if Rowley stands down at the May board meeting?
I didn't hear any chants for Doughty to stay, but, then, I was following Clayton McDonald out of the ground straight after the end of the game.
As Malty G says, you might think there is a deliberate campaign to make Doughty look good, irrespective of the club's interests.
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Why does Altrincham Today , which nobody reads , get preference over the club's own website Brian?
John Edwards had other interview duties to do after the Brackley game, therefore I did that particular post-match interview. It would have been on Alty TV but there wasn't enough time to do that before the 'Race Night' started, therefore I did an audio interview with Matt Doughty in the Vice President's Lounge between the Grand National finishing & the 'Race Night' startiing.
The initial plan was for some quotes from this interview to be used in the Sale & Altrincham Messenger but we decided to go with the new season ticket & admission prices as we felt that was a better & more important story.
Subsequently, I decided that a written piece was more appropriate than an audio interview on this occasion & when that happens, which is very rare, the article is published via 'Altrincham Today'.
If John Edwards had done the interview, it would have appeared on the website, therefore the only differentiating factor here was that it was me who carried out the interview & I made a decision to use the content for 'Altrincham Today' rather than posting on the website via SoundCloud.
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Not giving MD the job is not rash. It's common sense.
That article is written with a rose tinted biro. It fails to acknowledge that our surge in points per game tally in the last 11 games is in keeping with history for most sides in our position at this stage of the season. At best MD has achieved the bang average and hopefully our stats guru will have little trouble pointing that out... if he's allowed to.
Come on. We've played teams in demise and teams with nothing to play for. We've got a squad full of desperadoes who either want a chance of another contract or need to show potential suitors their form has been a symptom of our position and not a cause. I've thought MD has acquitted himself well and deserves credit. But credit is a big thanks for sticking with a lame horse and a fantastic reference for his next employer to peruse. He's not ready, simple as that. If he's the best applicant then it's just demonstration of how far we've sunk.
Spot on mate as is Jamie.
I really really hope these articles are just the work of a young student jourmalist finding his way but not really having a full grasp on things and nothing more.
"potentially prompting him into another rash, dangerous call – to be rid of Doughty"
I understand that there are people out there who want him as manager and they must have a reason I haven't thought of.
However it would hardly be rash or dangerous to get rid of a manager who has been in the dressing room for the last two relegations with varying degrees of control whilst the club has fallen from a moderate conference club to a figure of peoples jokes.
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However it would hardly be rash or dangerous to get rid of a manager who has been in the dressing room for the last two relegations with varying degrees of control whilst the club has fallen from a moderate conference club to a figure of peoples jokes.
The whole thing summed up perfectly in just a few words by one of our most respected posters.
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Not giving MD the job is not rash. It's common sense.
That article is written with a rose tinted biro. It fails to acknowledge that our surge in points per game tally in the last 11 games is in keeping with history for most sides in our position at this stage of the season. At best MD has achieved the bang average and hopefully our stats guru will have little trouble pointing that out... if he's allowed to.
Come on. We've played teams in demise and teams with nothing to play for. We've got a squad full of desperadoes who either want a chance of another contract or need to show potential suitors their form has been a symptom of our position and not a cause. I've thought MD has acquitted himself well and deserves credit. But credit is a big thanks for sticking with a lame horse and a fantastic reference for his next employer to peruse. He's not ready, simple as that. If he's the best applicant then it's just demonstration of how far we've sunk.
Spot on mate as is Jamie.
I really really hope these articles are just the work of a young student jourmalist finding his way but not really having a full grasp on things and nothing more.
"potentially prompting him into another rash, dangerous call – to be rid of Doughty"
I understand that there are people out there who want him as manager and they must have a reason I haven't thought of.
However it would hardly be rash or dangerous to get rid of a manager who has been in the dressing room for the last two relegations with varying degrees of control whilst the club has fallen from a moderate conference club to a figure of peoples jokes.
I follow this lad on Twitter and interact with him on occasion, as Ecky says I think he's a young trainee journalist so I think you have to give him some leeway. To state that NOT giving MD the job would be 'rash and dangerous' I suspect betrays a lack of experience & probably allowing a personal friendship with MD to inappropriately cloud his professional judgment. Our esteemed Chairman has made a number of rash decisions over the last year, not giving the Evostik promotion campaign reigns to MD would not be one of them.
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https://twitter.com/jac_talbot/status/853734111852322816
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I remember a player called Clayton Blackmore nick name sun bed
I don't no this other guy an it will not stick in my memory for a long time after the thread is over
I had Clayton in my pocket in the staff supporters game .. my claim to fame
We both know that's a falsification. He was in my back pocket and there's photo evidence of me keeping him under control (by accidentally grabbing his tackle)!
I controlled him you groped him ... actually just delete all this please
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Thanks for replying Brian. What were John Laidlar's pressing interviews that didn't include the home team manager? Why was there no time to interview MD before the Grand National started? Why does horse racing take preference over football? Why wasn't a version of your interview posted on the club website? Any chance that you can make the original sound file available? I take it you did it personally or was it a sound and vision production. Did you offer it to the club for the website or did you decide it wasn't of interest? I can't remember the last time a mannager or backroom member or player didn't go on record after a home game in these circumstances . Sorry but it just smacks of a campaign to promote the upside of Doughty whilst ignoring his ineptitude. John Laidlar's perverse cherry picking of statistics suggest this is a conscious plan on behalf of interested parties within the club.
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Under Matt Doughty's tenure as interim manager, his team have accumulated a total of 13 points from 20 league fixtures to date.
That equates to an average of 0.65 points per game.
So, to use the official website method, "had that haul been replicated" over the full league season of 42 matches, it would have resulted in a grand total of 27.3 points.
Or, to put it another way, relegation.
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Unless I've missed something, the last former Alty full back to manage us was Stan Allan.
Let's hope lightning indeed does not strike twice in the same place....
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Thanks for replying Brian. What were John Laidlar's pressing interviews that didn't include the home team manager? Why was there no time to interview MD before the Grand National started? Why does horse racing take preference over football? Why wasn't a version of your interview posted on the club website? Any chance that you can make the original sound file available? I take it you did it personally or was it a sound and vision production. Did you offer it to the club for the website or did you decide it wasn't of interest? I can't remember the last time a mannager or backroom member or player didn't go on record after a home game in these circumstances . Sorry but it just smacks of a campaign to promote the upside of Doughty whilst ignoring his ineptitude. John Laidlar's perverse cherry picking of statistics suggest this is a conscious plan on behalf of interested parties within the club.
It's a pleasure, Martin.
It was John Edwards, rather than John Laidlar, who had interviews to complete. They were for today's match programme (Shaun Densmore plus at least one other, I believe).
I couldn't interview Matt Doughty before the Grand National started as I was still up in the gantry area.
The Race Night took priority as I was involved in compering & my record on multi-tasking is not good.
The audio interview wasn't posted on the website because I decided that the content would be better used as a written article for 'Altrincham Today' & that posting it on the website as well would be duplication.
I will upload the audio file, which was recorded on my iPhone, to SoundCloud & send it to John Laidlar to publish on the website.
My decisions & actions surrounding this interview were taken completely independently, I didn't involve anyone else at the club.
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Thanks for replying Brian. What were John Laidlar's pressing interviews that didn't include the home team manager? Why was there no time to interview MD before the Grand National started? Why does horse racing take preference over football? Why wasn't a version of your interview posted on the club website? Any chance that you can make the original sound file available? I take it you did it personally or was it a sound and vision production. Did you offer it to the club for the website or did you decide it wasn't of interest? I can't remember the last time a mannager or backroom member or player didn't go on record after a home game in these circumstances . Sorry but it just smacks of a campaign to promote the upside of Doughty whilst ignoring his ineptitude. John Laidlar's perverse cherry picking of statistics suggest this is a conscious plan on behalf of interested parties within the club.
It's a pleasure, Martin.
It was John Edwards, rather than John Laidlar, who had interviews to complete. They were for today's match programme (Shaun Densmore plus at least one other, I believe).
I couldn't interview Matt Doughty before the Grand National started as I was still up in the gantry area.
The Race Night took priority as I was involved in compering & my record on multi-tasking is not good.
The audio interview wasn't posted on the website because I decided that the content would be better used as a written article for 'Altrincham Today' & that posting it on the website as well would be duplication.
I will upload the audio file, which was recorded on my iPhone, to SoundCloud & send it to John Laidlar to publish on the website.
My decisions & actions surrounding this interview were taken completely independently, I didn't involve anyone else at the club.
Brian, you're going above and beyond explaining your every action here. Many thanks.
Think we can let this one go now.
On a side note just looked at the young lads twitter feed. I see Jamie's good will and placid nature stretches across all online platforms :-))))
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Thanks for replying Brian. What were John Laidlar's pressing interviews that didn't include the home team manager? Why was there no time to interview MD before the Grand National started? Why does horse racing take preference over football? Why wasn't a version of your interview posted on the club website? Any chance that you can make the original sound file available? I take it you did it personally or was it a sound and vision production. Did you offer it to the club for the website or did you decide it wasn't of interest? I can't remember the last time a mannager or backroom member or player didn't go on record after a home game in these circumstances . Sorry but it just smacks of a campaign to promote the upside of Doughty whilst ignoring his ineptitude. John Laidlar's perverse cherry picking of statistics suggest this is a conscious plan on behalf of interested parties within the club.
It's a pleasure, Martin.
It was John Edwards, rather than John Laidlar, who had interviews to complete. They were for today's match programme (Shaun Densmore plus at least one other, I believe).
I couldn't interview Matt Doughty before the Grand National started as I was still up in the gantry area.
The Race Night took priority as I was involved in compering & my record on multi-tasking is not good.
The audio interview wasn't posted on the website because I decided that the content would be better used as a written article for 'Altrincham Today' & that posting it on the website as well would be duplication.
I will upload the audio file, which was recorded on my iPhone, to SoundCloud & send it to John Laidlar to publish on the website.
My decisions & actions surrounding this interview were taken completely independently, I didn't involve anyone else at the club.
Here we go, Martin:-
https://soundcloud.com/radio-robins/matt-doughty-interview-after-altrincham-1-brackley-town-3
I have also sent this to John Laidlar.
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Thanks for replying Brian. What were John Laidlar's pressing interviews that didn't include the home team manager? Why was there no time to interview MD before the Grand National started? Why does horse racing take preference over football? Why wasn't a version of your interview posted on the club website? Any chance that you can make the original sound file available? I take it you did it personally or was it a sound and vision production. Did you offer it to the club for the website or did you decide it wasn't of interest? I can't remember the last time a mannager or backroom member or player didn't go on record after a home game in these circumstances . Sorry but it just smacks of a campaign to promote the upside of Doughty whilst ignoring his ineptitude. John Laidlar's perverse cherry picking of statistics suggest this is a conscious plan on behalf of interested parties within the club.
It's a pleasure, Martin.
It was John Edwards, rather than John Laidlar, who had interviews to complete. They were for today's match programme (Shaun Densmore plus at least one other, I believe).
I couldn't interview Matt Doughty before the Grand National started as I was still up in the gantry area.
The Race Night took priority as I was involved in compering & my record on multi-tasking is not good.
The audio interview wasn't posted on the website because I decided that the content would be better used as a written article for 'Altrincham Today' & that posting it on the website as well would be duplication.
I will upload the audio file, which was recorded on my iPhone, to SoundCloud & send it to John Laidlar to publish on the website.
My decisions & actions surrounding this interview were taken completely independently, I didn't involve anyone else at the club.
Brian, you're going above and beyond explaining your every action here. Many thanks.
Think we can let this one go now.
On a side note just looked at the young lads twitter feed. I see Jamie's good will and placid nature stretches across all online platforms :-))))
Thanks 'L'Homme du Sport'.....I have uploaded & posted the interview now.
I just wanted to be clear that these actions were mine alone & that there were a number of specific circumstances that led to the content being published on 'Altrincham Today', but not the website.
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To be fair I think it does more harm than good hearing from the manager after every single game.
Sometimes less is more. I wanted to scream after hearing from Harvey after the 6th consecutive defeat.
I'm not sure it's a concerted campaign as such, rather a desire to fill the emptiness with content otherwise it will be filled with deserved criticism for the whole farce.
What is getting on my tits though is the lack of respect for supporters knowledge. We've all been around long enough to gauge levels of improvement. Don't tell us the team has been galvanised. John King galvanised the team when he came back and took over after Paul Rowlands. I don't expect to be patronised because we've managed to stop passing the ball five yards to the opposition and be told it's a decent effort or a point a game in the conference north is acceptable.
No dumbin down. If you do that it's a sure sign it's time to move on
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To be fair I think it does more harm than good hearing from the manager after every single game.
Sometimes less is more. I wanted to scream after hearing from Harvey after the 6th consecutive defeat.
I'm not sure it's a concerted campaign as such, rather a desire to fill the emptiness with content otherwise it will be filled with deserved criticism for the whole farce.
What is getting on my tits though is the lack of respect for supporters knowledge. We've all been around long enough to gauge levels of improvement. Don't tell us the team has been galvanised. John King galvanised the team when he came back and took over after Paul Rowlands. I don't expect to be patronised because we've managed to stop passing the ball five yards to the opposition and be told it's a decent effort or a point a game in the conference north is acceptable.
No dumbin down. If you do that it's a sure sign it's time to move on
great post
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Brian, thanks for the clarity.
Personally speaking, I think you do a great job along with the other volunteers. Especially over the this season and a half. You balance being impartial when I am sure sometimes you would want to express yourself more freely!
Keep up the great work.
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Yes Ballers!
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Thanks for humouring me and my post-pub rant Brian, I think "Line of Duty" is getting to me. I know you were very busy with the race night. I shall discuss the irrelevance of the Grand National over a pint with you later.
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To be fair I think it does more harm than good hearing from the manager after every single game.
Sometimes less is more. I wanted to scream after hearing from Harvey after the 6th consecutive defeat.
I'm not sure it's a concerted campaign as such, rather a desire to fill the emptiness with content otherwise it will be filled with deserved criticism for the whole farce.
What is getting on my tits though is the lack of respect for supporters knowledge. We've all been around long enough to gauge levels of improvement. Don't tell us the team has been galvanised. John King galvanised the team when he came back and took over after Paul Rowlands. I don't expect to be patronised because we've managed to stop passing the ball five yards to the opposition and be told it's a decent effort or a point a game in the conference north is acceptable.
No dumbin down. If you do that it's a sure sign it's time to move on
What Ballers said!
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Brian, thanks for the clarity.
Personally speaking, I think you do a great job along with the other volunteers. Especially over the this season and a half. You balance being impartial when I am sure sometimes you would want to express yourself more freely!
Keep up the great work.
Thanks Dave...that's appreciated, as we do try to be as impartial as we can be.
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Thanks for humouring me and my post-pub rant Brian, I think "Line of Duty" is getting to me. I know you were very busy with the race night. I shall discuss the irrelevance of the Grand National over a pint with you later.
The Grand National ended up being more relevant than I thought as my £2 investment on 'One for Arthur' came in at 19/1 ;D
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Hi there,
I’m the guy behind the article yesterday on jactal Wordpress.
Just thought I’d clear some bits up.
I was sat in the main standout beside the dug-out at Curzon. Right after the match, I thought I heard the crowd quiet loudly chant ‘Doughty Stay’ as he was walking over to them applauding.
Several people who were in the crowd have wrote on this forum said that this wasn’t true – or at least they didn’t hear it, and so for that I will take back what I wrote, and say ‘yes’ an error on my part.
I would never make stuff up, though – that I do take issue with.
Everything else that people have said about article on the forum, I don’t have a problem with. You are, of course, well in your right to say it.
My point re: ‘Doughty to stay is down to a couple of elements.
Firstly, a sixth roll of the dice would do more harm than good considering the team have finally started picking points here and there. However little that may be.
Secondly, I think MD has brought the players together, got them working hard. That’s not to say I think MD could take you back to NL, but, for now, he’s a core of stability, and that’s very important in the current climate of Altrincham.
Thirdly, and most pivotally, if MD goes, would you really trust GR to find a suitable replacement? He’s tried five times before and look at the mess it’s got the club in. If you trust his judgement then fine, but if you don’t, I’d ask why you would MD out, in order for GR to source another one?
Best,
Jacque
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If my car was balancing over the edge of a cliff I wouldn't get a learner driver to move it.
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[quote author=Jacque link=topic=22453.msg264789#msg264789
Thirdly, and most pivotally, if MD goes, would you really trust GR to find a suitable replacement? Well agree with not trusting Rowley to find a decent replacement however Buzz not upto the job
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[quote author=Jacque link=topic=22453.msg264789#msg264789
Thirdly, and most pivotally, if MD goes, would you really trust GR to find a suitable replacement? Well agree with not trusting Rowley to find a decent replacement however Buzz not upto the job
But wouldn't you agree that the rut Altrincham was by December, would've made the job extremely tough for any manager - near enough impossible? What would define as a 'good job' from a manager from that point onward? Ten wins? Five wins? Or three wins and several draws like MD?
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I actually agree with much of Jacque's logic and fair play for coming onto this forum to explain.
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Stability is important but the Club have initiated a recruitment process. If he is the best candidate that has applied then we really do have problems.
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[quote author=Jacque link=topic=22453.msg264789#msg264789
Thirdly, and most pivotally, if MD goes, would you really trust GR to find a suitable replacement? Well agree with not trusting Rowley to find a decent replacement however Buzz not upto the job
But wouldn't you agree that the rut Altrincham was by December, would've made the job extremely tough for any manager - near enough impossible? What would define as a 'good job' from a manager from that point onward? Ten wins? Five wins? Or three wins and several draws like MD?Jacque has now been involved partly in the last 2 relegations,I'm not to concerned by the manager the problems higher up
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Unless I've missed something, the last former Alty full back to manage us was Stan Allan.
Let's hope lightning indeed does not strike twice in the same place....
to be fair to Stan he did a very good job at Witton to get the job unlike Buzz
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Unless I've missed something, the last former Alty full back to manage us was Stan Allan.
Let's hope lightning indeed does not strike twice in the same place....
to be fair to Stan he did a very good job at Witton to get the job unlike Buzz
If you're going to be THAT fair Jimmy, Young did a good job at Chester, as did Harvey at Forest Green.
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Yes however Phil Stan's good job at Witton was his previous job i thought at the time that his appointment wasn't that bad under the circumstances obviously he was out of his depth when he got the gig
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Hi there,
I’m the guy behind the article yesterday on jactal Wordpress.
Just thought I’d clear some bits up.
I was sat in the main standout beside the dug-out at Curzon. Right after the match, I thought I heard the crowd quiet loudly chant ‘Doughty Stay’ as he was walking over to them applauding.
Several people who were in the crowd have wrote on this forum said that this wasn’t true – or at least they didn’t hear it, and so for that I will take back what I wrote, and say ‘yes’ an error on my part.
I would never make stuff up, though – that I do take issue with.
Everything else that people have said about article on the forum, I don’t have a problem with. You are, of course, well in your right to say it.
My point re: ‘Doughty to stay is down to a couple of elements.
Firstly, a sixth roll of the dice would do more harm than good considering the team have finally started picking points here and there. However little that may be.
Secondly, I think MD has brought the players together, got them working hard. That’s not to say I think MD could take you back to NL, but, for now, he’s a core of stability, and that’s very important in the current climate of Altrincham.
Thirdly, and most pivotally, if MD goes, would you really trust GR to find a suitable replacement? He’s tried five times before and look at the mess it’s got the club in. If you trust his judgement then fine, but if you don’t, I’d ask why you would MD out, in order for GR to source another one?
Best,
Jacque
GR appointed Sinnot and that was a very good appointment. We would be playing national league football this season if he hadn't left when he did
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Did all fans process their Chanting Licence in time for today's game?
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Hi there,
I’m the guy behind the article yesterday on jactal Wordpress.
Just thought I’d clear some bits up.
I was sat in the main standout beside the dug-out at Curzon. Right after the match, I thought I heard the crowd quiet loudly chant ‘Doughty Stay’ as he was walking over to them applauding.
Several people who were in the crowd have wrote on this forum said that this wasn’t true – or at least they didn’t hear it, and so for that I will take back what I wrote, and say ‘yes’ an error on my part.
I would never make stuff up, though – that I do take issue with.
Everything else that people have said about article on the forum, I don’t have a problem with. You are, of course, well in your right to say it.
My point re: ‘Doughty to stay is down to a couple of elements.
Firstly, a sixth roll of the dice would do more harm than good considering the team have finally started picking points here and there. However little that may be.
Secondly, I think MD has brought the players together, got them working hard. That’s not to say I think MD could take you back to NL, but, for now, he’s a core of stability, and that’s very important in the current climate of Altrincham.
Thirdly, and most pivotally, if MD goes, would you really trust GR to find a suitable replacement? He’s tried five times before and look at the mess it’s got the club in. If you trust his judgement then fine, but if you don’t, I’d ask why you would MD out, in order for GR to source another one?
Best,
Jacque
GR appointed Sinnot and that was a very good appointment. We would be playing national league football this season if he hadn't left when he did
we were going down anyway Sinnott was a fair appointment but by no means a very good one history will look kind on him because of what's happened since
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On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Neil Young and 10 is Tony Sanders, Sinnott was at best a 6.
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Spot on Phil
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On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Neil Young and 10 is Tony Sanders, Sinnott was at best a 6.
personally I give Lee 7 but each to their own view.
The important thing now is to find and appoint a 10, or failing the impossible a 9.
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On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Neil Young and 10 is Tony Sanders, Sinnott was at best a 6.
Its all about opinions. I'd probably put him at 7 and say that's pretty good. I never understood why a small number of fans took against him right from the start maybe it was his lack of personality.
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On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Neil Young and 10 is Tony Sanders, Sinnott was at best a 6.
Its all about opinions. I'd probably put him at 7 and say that's pretty good. I never understood why a small number of fans took against him right from the start maybe it was his lack of personality.
i would agree with a 7. I think alot of the early sinnout stuff was banter after he took a holiday. Overall I thought he did well just sad he lost interest. Still odd he didn't celebrate when we got promoted
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Why isn't he working now?
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Why isn't he working now?
He is. In B&Q
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
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On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Neil Young and 10 is Tony Sanders, Sinnott was at best a 6.
Its all about opinions. I'd probably put him at 7 and say that's pretty good. I never understood why a small number of fans took against him right from the start maybe it was his lack of personality.
i would agree with a 7. I think alot of the early sinnout stuff was banter after he took a holiday. Overall I thought he did well just sad he lost interest. Still odd he didn't celebrate when we got promoted
There was a lot odd about Sinnot. I still rated him as a manager though
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
Probably isn't working now as he was financially secure from good investment of his football career earnings (so I heard) so doesn't need the hassle modern football management brings.
Everything has a shelf life and his was coming to an end with us sadly but how I'd kill for the days when we would literally put 6 or 7 past Boston as a matter of course at home, relegation fodder never got a sniff of anything less than a 5-0 defeat.
Watching back some of the Alty TV clips of those games is so sad to see the style in which we played.
Hope the new manager has us playing that way and making us a decent side to watch again.
Never has a manager has more of a chance to come and be a hero....it won't take that much at the moment!
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
Probably isn't working now as he was financially secure from good investment of his football career earnings (so I heard) so doesn't need the hassle modern football management brings.
Everything has a shelf life and his was coming to an end with us sadly but how I'd kill for the days when we would literally put 6 or 7 past Boston as a matter of course at home, relegation fodder never got a sniff of anything less than a 5-0 defeat.
Watching back some of the Alty TV clips of those games is so sad to see the style in which we played.
Hope the new manager has us playing that way and making us a decent side to watch again.
Never has a manager has more of a chance to come and be a hero....it won't take that much at the moment!
Agree with all of that. I'm not saying he was the messiah but we would be in a much better position if he was in charge now
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Indeed but like I said history will look good on him because of the recent garbage
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
Probably isn't working now as he was financially secure from good investment of his football career earnings (so I heard) so doesn't need the hassle modern football management brings.
Everything has a shelf life and his was coming to an end with us sadly but how I'd kill for the days when we would literally put 6 or 7 past Boston as a matter of course at home, relegation fodder never got a sniff of anything less than a 5-0 defeat.
Watching back some of the Alty TV clips of those games is so sad to see the style in which we played.
Hope the new manager has us playing that way and making us a decent side to watch again.
Never has a manager has more of a chance to come and be a hero....it won't take that much at the moment!
Agree with all of that. I'm not saying he was the messiah but we would be in a much better position if he was in charge now
I agree but at the end of the day he quit because he'd had enough,he didn't get sacked.
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Indeed but like I said history will look good on him because of the recent garbage
Very true Jim and I'm not turning a blind eye to the low's either, His highs were high and his lows were very low for sure.
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
Probably isn't working now as he was financially secure from good investment of his football career earnings (so I heard) so doesn't need the hassle modern football management brings.
Everything has a shelf life and his was coming to an end with us sadly but how I'd kill for the days when we would literally put 6 or 7 past Boston as a matter of course at home, relegation fodder never got a sniff of anything less than a 5-0 defeat.
Watching back some of the Alty TV clips of those games is so sad to see the style in which we played.
Hope the new manager has us playing that way and making us a decent side to watch again.
Never has a manager has more of a chance to come and be a hero....it won't take that much at the moment!
to be honest I'm not bothered who comes in until Rowley goes I will pop back to see the odd game likewise away games to catch up with mates,if anyone suggests staying in the pub I will,because of Rowley iv completely lost interest
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Indeed but like I said history will look good on him because of the recent garbage
Very true Jim and I'm not turning a blind eye to the low's either, His highs were high and his lows were very low for sure.
indeed Ecky
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
Probably isn't working now as he was financially secure from good investment of his football career earnings (so I heard) so doesn't need the hassle modern football management brings.
Everything has a shelf life and his was coming to an end with us sadly but how I'd kill for the days when we would literally put 6 or 7 past Boston as a matter of course at home, relegation fodder never got a sniff of anything less than a 5-0 defeat.
Watching back some of the Alty TV clips of those games is so sad to see the style in which we played.
Hope the new manager has us playing that way and making us a decent side to watch again.
Never has a manager has more of a chance to come and be a hero....it won't take that much at the moment!
to be honest I'm not bothered who comes in until Rowley goes I will pop back to see the odd game likewise away games to catch up with mates,if anyone suggests staying in the pub I will,because of Rowley iv completely lost interest
Well said Jimmy,my feelings exactly.
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Rowley Out.
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
Probably isn't working now as he was financially secure from good investment of his football career earnings (so I heard) so doesn't need the hassle modern football management brings.
Everything has a shelf life and his was coming to an end with us sadly but how I'd kill for the days when we would literally put 6 or 7 past Boston as a matter of course at home, relegation fodder never got a sniff of anything less than a 5-0 defeat.
Watching back some of the Alty TV clips of those games is so sad to see the style in which we played.
Hope the new manager has us playing that way and making us a decent side to watch again.
Never has a manager has more of a chance to come and be a hero....it won't take that much at the moment!
Agree with all of that. I'm not saying he was the messiah but we would be in a much better position if he was in charge now
I agree but at the end of the day he quit because he'd had enough,he didn't get sacked.
Absolutely and I'd love to know if it was because of his eccentricity or because of his employer that he decided to quit.
Apologies for all these posts about Sinnot, I was just trying to make a point that all of GRs appointments haven't been bad (I'm not a GR apologist by the way)
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Probably traveling from Hull for a side who no longer played for him liked they did before was a big reason
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Probably traveling from Hull for a side who no longer played for him liked they did before was a big reason
You could be right, still looks a bit like throwing the toys out of the pram to me.
I just hope we can appoint a credible manager now and we can all get behind him and hopefully have some better times ahead. I realise it's not quite as simple as that but I do think if we start next season well we can get some momentum. The flip side is if we get off to a bad start we could have a repeat of this season.
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Sinnott did a fair job. But as Jimmy says, history will remember him much kinder than the reality. Let's not forget the full calendar year we went without a clean sheet under him, or the 40 odd (mostly sh*t) players we went through in his first season (yes, I realise the irony of bringing that up now...), or the 7 out of 10 cup campaigns that ended with a whimper against lower league teams, or the fact we spent a lot of money on promotion and still never seriously challenged for the title that year.
On reflection, I'd say years 1 and 5 of his reign were pretty wank, years 2 & 3 par, and year 4 a good achievement.
We definitely played some great football in Conf North under Sinnott which was fun to watch (mainly against the fodder in the league while struggling against anyone good) and you still have to spend the money well, which he certainly did the year we went up - scoring nearly 100 league goals. But there is now a bit of a danger of him being turned into Bill Shankley, because of Grahame Rowley's inability to appoint a manager since, when the reality was nowhere near.
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I was a lee sinnot fan ,he was the second coming after John King, ,,,with no budget he did us proud
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We're on the way to stoke city .
Well all be pissed it wont be pretty
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On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Neil Young and 10 is Tony Sanders, Sinnott was at best a 6.
personally I give Lee 7 but each to their own view.
The important thing now is to find and appoint a 10, or failing the impossible a 9.
Without getting into any sort of argument, and accepting that Sinnott was much better than Young (for Alty at least), was he really 70% of the manager Tony Sanders was??
I mean, really? 😳
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No
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Hence why I gave him 6.
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On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is Neil Young and 10 is Tony Sanders, Sinnott was at best a 6.
personally I give Lee 7 but each to their own view.
The important thing now is to find and appoint a 10, or failing the impossible a 9.
Without getting into any sort of argument, and accepting that Sinnott was much better than Young (for Alty at least), was he really 70% of the manager Tony Sanders was??
I mean, really? í ½í¸³
give or take, bearing in mind the very different eras they managed in, I'd give Lee seven. Six is very mediocre to me and he's a wee bit of a step up from that. Some say six, I say seven. Kerpishh.
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Impossible to compare, Sanders was a great manager and brought in great players to this club but in another market altogether with no full time clubs around and no bankrolled money chuckers either. Much harder these days. Kingy clearly was a great motivator so a good manager too. Not really sure what you need these days apart from a pot of cash which seems to be most players' prime motivation.
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Those that remember Saunders, I think the only mistake he made was to hang on to the successful team for too long. He did not make enough adjustments to keep the side hungry. Other than that as someone who saw his team week in and week out, he was a great manager, but he did have a very good squad who played exciting attacking football putting defences under constant pressure. They were great to watch.
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SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!! Not Saunders!!
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Sinnott did a fair job. But as Jimmy says, history will remember him much kinder than the reality. Let's not forget the full calendar year we went without a clean sheet under him, or the 40 odd (mostly sh*t) players we went through in his first season (yes, I realise the irony of bringing that up now...), or the 7 out of 10 cup campaigns that ended with a whimper against lower league teams, or the fact we spent a lot of money on promotion and still never seriously challenged for the title that year.
On reflection, I'd say years 1 and 5 of his reign were pretty wank, years 2 & 3 par, and year 4 a good achievement.
We definitely played some great football in Conf North under Sinnott which was fun to watch (mainly against the fodder in the league while struggling against anyone good) and you still have to spend the money well, which he certainly did the year we went up - scoring nearly 100 league goals. But there is now a bit of a danger of him being turned into Bill Shankley, because of Grahame Rowley's inability to appoint a manager since, when the reality was nowhere near.
That sounds to me like a well implemented five year plan that went tits up in year five. Sinnott did a fantastic job until year five and he faced a fair bit of adversity, I'm not talking about his early holiday or dugout fashion choices either. The football world in which we operate has changed massively and I think the club just lay down and accepted our new place with all these big ex-league clubs and new money clubs smothering us into where we are now. This wasn't Sinnotts fault. He played our cards well and delivered decent football. Before he changed tactics and subsequently lost our form in year five we were arguably the best part time team in the country. Most of us had accepted that and thought it was great. In hindsight we'd just bought the sob story the club sold us of little old Alty nobody wants to invest in.
Again in hindsight only a matter of time before the bubble burst just never had to be as bad as it's been. It's time for us to man up and dine at the big table.
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Sinnott did a fair job. But as Jimmy says, history will remember him much kinder than the reality. Let's not forget the full calendar year we went without a clean sheet under him, or the 40 odd (mostly sh*t) players we went through in his first season (yes, I realise the irony of bringing that up now...), or the 7 out of 10 cup campaigns that ended with a whimper against lower league teams, or the fact we spent a lot of money on promotion and still never seriously challenged for the title that year.
On reflection, I'd say years 1 and 5 of his reign were pretty wank, years 2 & 3 par, and year 4 a good achievement.
We definitely played some great football in Conf North under Sinnott which was fun to watch (mainly against the fodder in the league while struggling against anyone good) and you still have to spend the money well, which he certainly did the year we went up - scoring nearly 100 league goals. But there is now a bit of a danger of him being turned into Bill Shankley, because of Grahame Rowley's inability to appoint a manager since, when the reality was nowhere near.
That sounds to me like a well implemented five year plan that went tits up in year five. Sinnott did a fantastic job until year five and he faced a fair bit of adversity, I'm not talking about his early holiday or dugout fashion choices either. The football world in which we operate has changed massively and I think the club just lay down and accepted our new place with all these big ex-league clubs and new money clubs smothering us into where we are now. This wasn't Sinnotts fault. He played our cards well and delivered decent football. Before he changed tactics and subsequently lost our form in year five we were arguably the best part time team in the country. Most of us had accepted that and thought it was great. In hindsight we'd just bought the sob story the club sold us of little old Alty nobody wants to invest in.
Again in hindsight only a matter of time before the bubble burst just never had to be as bad as it's been. It's time for us to man up and dine at the big table.
Big table at McDonald's?
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SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!! Not Saunders!!
I never understand people making this mistake at the best of times, but when about ten other people on the thread have already spelled it correctly, it is totally baffling!
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SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!! Not Saunders!!
I never understand people making this mistake at the best of times, but when about ten other people on the thread have already spelled it correctly, it is totally baffling!
Indeed.
Going back to the point about comparisons between him and Sinnott......there is none. They were completely different times, illustrated by the fact that we were then known as 'The Manchester United of non league football'. There were no bigger spenders than us back then, there was no automatic promotion, so effectively no ex-league clubs to compete against. Remember Kettering were one of our main title rivals and at one point the APL (as it was then) had six teams from Cheshire in it.....those days will NEVER be seen again.
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Why isn't he working now?
That's a very good question. He stayed very quiet regarding his exit from us it was all a bit strange
Probably isn't working now as he was financially secure from good investment of his football career earnings (so I heard) so doesn't need the hassle modern football management brings.
Everything has a shelf life and his was coming to an end with us sadly but how I'd kill for the days when we would literally put 6 or 7 past Boston as a matter of course at home, relegation fodder never got a sniff of anything less than a 5-0 defeat.
Watching back some of the Alty TV clips of those games is so sad to see the style in which we played.
Hope the new manager has us playing that way and making us a decent side to watch again.
Never has a manager has more of a chance to come and be a hero....it won't take that much at the moment!
Agree with all of that. I'm not saying he was the messiah but we would be in a much better position if he was in charge now
Whilst I agree he was not the messiah he was a very naughty manager
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SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!! Not Saunders!!
I never understand people making this mistake at the best of times, but when about ten other people on the thread have already spelled it correctly, it is totally baffling!
Indeed.
Going back to the point about comparisons between him and Sinnott......there is none. They were completely different times, illustrated by the fact that we were then known as 'The Manchester United of non league football'. There were no bigger spenders than us back then, there was no automatic promotion, so effectively no ex-league clubs to compete against. Remember Kettering were one of our main title rivals and at one point the APL (as it was then) had six teams from Cheshire in it.....those days will NEVER be seen again.
Don't bank on that. There are three clubs in that league currently who are members of the Cheshire FA (Chester, Macclesfield, and Tranmere), while I wouldn't bet heavily against Crewe going down and Stockport going up next season. So it just needs us to earn two promotions in a row (stop giggling at the back) and there could conceivably be six Cheshire clubs at that level in 2019-20.
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SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!! Not Saunders!!
I never understand people making this mistake at the best of times, but when about ten other people on the thread have already spelled it correctly, it is totally baffling!
Indeed.
Going back to the point about comparisons between him and Sinnott......there is none. They were completely different times, illustrated by the fact that we were then known as 'The Manchester United of non league football'. There were no bigger spenders than us back then, there was no automatic promotion, so effectively no ex-league clubs to compete against. Remember Kettering were one of our main title rivals and at one point the APL (as it was then) had six teams from Cheshire in it.....those days will NEVER be seen again.
Don't bank on that. There are three clubs in that league currently who are members of the Cheshire FA (Chester, Macclesfield, and Tranmere), while I wouldn't bet heavily against Crewe going down and Stockport going up next season. So it just needs us to earn two promotions in a row (stop giggling at the back) and there could conceivably be six Cheshire clubs at that level in 2019-20.
Newsflash
Gloucester Old Spot seen flying over Moss Lane.. ;)