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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: bighairedmike on December 10, 2013, 07:33:37 PM
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Coburn
Densmore
Rogers
Havern
Leather
Doughty
Richman
Wilkinson
Smikle
Perry
Walshaw
Subs: Lawrie, Reeves, Pouncey, Gilroy
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4 subs, not good enough
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moult injured ? reeves on the bench ? four subs ? probale win then !
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i was joking earlier when i said hed play smikle and perry ffs
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2 nil down
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sounds like 3rd defeat on the run now.and the sounds gone on RR
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With only 12 players to pick from he's still f**ked it up.
Putting Reeves on the bench is criminal.
Sinnott
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Glad I decided to give this one a miss. Sounds dreadful.
We might sneak the playoffs if we're lucky.
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Glad I decided to give this one a miss. Sounds dreadful.
We might sneak the playoffs if we're lucky.
recent form if we lose tonight would suggest a mid table finish
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Glad I decided to give this one a miss. Sounds dreadful.
We might sneak the playoffs if we're lucky.
And let's be honest, the team is weaker than last year's team so why should we expect any more?
No Watmore and no service to Reeves and when Clee doesn't play we lose.
No creativity nor flare. Smikle is a very poor attempt at trying to create flare and when you're looking at a 2 stone overweight centre forward to save the day by winning an occasional knock down header for Walshaw to run after you realise that you're trouble.
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With only 12 players to pick from he's still f**ked it up.
Putting Reeves on the bench is criminal.
Sinnott
Totally agree. >:( >:(
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Hard to explain to mates why Reeves was dropped to the bench. Illogical.
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Hard to explain to mates why Reeves was dropped to the bench. Illogical.
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not really. just tell them the manager is a dick
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With only 12 players to pick from he's still f**ked it up.
Putting Reeves on the bench is criminal.
Sinnott
Totally agree. >:( >:(
Can't imagine Reevesy being here next year.
He looks permanently pissed off, seems to hate Walshaw and is frequently dropped or substituted. And with no service to him he doesn't score and we all know he needs service.
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the manager has basically picked the team that f**ked up so badly at Trafford....who saw another defeat coming after superb team selection?
The man needs to go it's absolutely laughable, when I suggested he'd drop reeves and play smikle and perry I was joking!!!!!!
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the manager has basically picked the team that f**ked up so badly at Trafford....who saw another defeat coming after superb team selection?
The man needs to go, it's absolutely laughable, when I suggested he'd drop reeves and play smikle and perry I was joking!!!!!!
He should be given his P45 tonight. >:( >:(
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Bemused by the selection
Bemused why we can't put some youth into the squad
Another poor result
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Sounded like we had no ideas at all in the second half
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We seem to be treading water at the moment and going nowhere fast.
I can see why Perry was picked and he didn't seem to play too badly tonight. Reeves, for him, is going through a very lean spell.
I expect Smickle was picked to give the team more width with no Clee and no cover for Doughty at l/b if he goes forward.
I'm not saying I agree with the selections - I would have gone 3-4-3 with Doughty and Dens either side of the "4" but I can see the logic. However, with just a couple or so of injuries we do not have sufficient cover.
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Doesn't look good. How long before Guisely bid for Reevsey...
The powers that be won't sack LS its not in their nature. I bet he will be here this time next season unless he falls on his sword.
Face facts Lee... You won't achieve f**k all with a threadbare squad. I reckon I could have identified a couple of players by now.
The way things are panning out we could soon have a better indoor bowling team than a football team.
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Tonight should have been the start of a decent run after going top. Huge lost opportunity and as I have said before we have bottled too many/almost all the"big" games. Yes, Leek & Trafford were "big" games. Play offs are a lottery, the only way out is by wining it.
We could easily be down to mid table by Jan 1st. If so kiss bye bye to promotion.
I hate feeling like this, so many things are great about our club, but what happens on the pitch is so important. If I beleived we should be a mid table FCN team I wouldn't get upset about recent form. THIS IS AL ABOUT LOST OPPORTUNITY.
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Glad I decided to give this one a miss. Sounds dreadful.
We might sneak the playoffs if we're lucky.
And let's be honest, the team is weaker than last year's team so why should we expect any more?
No Watmore and no service to Reeves and when Clee doesn't play we lose.
No creativity nor flare. Smikle is a very poor attempt at trying to create flare and when you're looking at a 2 stone overweight centre forward to save the day by winning an occasional knock down header for Walshaw to run after you realise that you're trouble.
One of the few players to come out of tonight with any credibility. If you weren't there then I wouldn't judge to be honest.
I can't be arsed going into it all tonight as I've had hardly any sleep since Friday morning, was at work from 6am this morning and am back in at 6am today having just got home. For anybody who doesn't want to jump to conclusions that are completely false then you should read Hamiltons post on the second page of this thread. I'll air my full views tomorrow.
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Of course the squad needs strengthening but where do people expect the money to come from to add to it?
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Even taking into account two injuries and one drop out through illness, the budget should be big enough to leave us with more than 13 available senior players (12 if you omit the awful Smikle).
For me, the board have given Lee Sinnott every chance to put a squad together that is capable of winning this league. I'm not saying Lee should be sacked, but he needs to seriously earn his corn over the coming weeks and months. If he does so, fair play to him, but he appears to have a mountain to climb if we're to become serious title challengers. Other teams will kick on over the next few months, without a doubt and I fear we're going to get left behind unless something pretty special happens.
Oh, and any suggestion that the community sports hall is hindering our efforts on the pitch is rubbish in my opinion. It's been made quite clear that the revenue streams for this project are entirely separate from our playing budget.
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Glad I decided to give this one a miss. Sounds dreadful.
We might sneak the playoffs if we're lucky.
And let's be honest, the team is weaker than last year's team so why should we expect any more?
No Watmore and no service to Reeves and when Clee doesn't play we lose.
No creativity nor flare. Smikle is a very poor attempt at trying to create flare and when you're looking at a 2 stone overweight centre forward to save the day by winning an occasional knock down header for Walshaw to run after you realise that you're trouble.
One of the few players to come out of tonight with any credibility. If you weren't there then I wouldn't judge to be honest.
I can't be arsed going into it all tonight as I've had hardly any sleep since Friday morning, was at work from 6am this morning and am back in at 6am today having just got home. For anybody who doesn't want to jump to conclusions that are completely false then you should read Hamiltons post on the second page of this thread. I'll air my full views tomorrow.
Hang on a minute, i'm not making a judgement on 1 game this season I have missed so don't give it the big un.
I am simply comparing this year's attacking line up to last year's and it is uncomparable.
Get back in your box. You went to Gloucester, good on you.
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For the budget to allow for more players it would need to be bigger. So who's going to blob up the money? Alternatively you release players to free up cash but if those players are on contract you'd have to sell them, and that's unlikely, or hope that one gets offered the job as assistant manager at another club. Unless there's a big injection of cash in the near future I think Altrincham fans need to work on managing their expectations.
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But surely it's also about the manager making better use of the budget that's available to him in the first instance?
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For the budget to allow for more players it would need to be bigger. So who's going to blob up the money? Alternatively you release players to free up cash but if those players are on contract you'd have to sell them, and that's unlikely, or hope that one gets offered the job as assistant manager at another club. Unless there's a big injection of cash in the near future I think Altrincham fans need to work on managing their expectations.
Come off it Ian, even clubs with gates 200 have more than 14 players...
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But who is paying for them? Are they any good? You could have a squad of twenty-two kids on work experience but where would it get you? I'd be amazed if the board are sitting on some reserve of unspent cash. Look what happened when they threw some money at trying to clinch promotion last season - a thirty grand loss.
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What's probably crippled us (and this is speculation to some extent) is that we've got two players in Perry and Smikle who, although Perry may have shown signs of improvement, to a large extent have used up two good wages that could have been better spent.
I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's about how the money is spent, not how much of it is available.
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He can't pick the right formation/starting 11 with 13 available players. Don't think we should be complicating thinks any more.
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I said a week or so ago that we were effectively running with a squad of 14. Perry has looked viable in the last game and a half, so 15. Last night, injuries to Moult and Clee further reduced the numbers. So......
Why have two teenagers on the bench if there's zero intention to use them ?
Why start Smikle? We might as well play with ten.
Why can't we pick up loan players ? Gloucester have just brought in three, and it's turned them around.
The players looked thoroughly pissed off at the end. There is a LOT wrong right now. Maybe they, like me, have lost faith in the manager.
Skipping Southport and Guiseley, can't justify the loss of earnings this near Xmas.
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Of course the squad needs strengthene ing but where do people expect the money to come from to add to it?
Hard to believe that the watmore and j davison sponsor money have gone already ,maybe the case but hopefully not.
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Glad I decided to give this one a miss. Sounds dreadful.
We might sneak the playoffs if we're lucky.
And let's be honest, the team is weaker than last year's team so why should we expect any more?
No Watmore and no service to Reeves and when Clee doesn't play we lose.
No creativity nor flare. Smikle is a very poor attempt at trying to create flare and when you're looking at a 2 stone overweight centre forward to save the day by winning an occasional knock down header for Walshaw to run after you realise that you're trouble.
One of the few players to come out of tonight with any credibility. If you weren't there then I wouldn't judge to be honest.
I can't be arsed going into it all tonight as I've had hardly any sleep since Friday morning, was at work from 6am this morning and am back in at 6am today having just got home. For anybody who doesn't want to jump to conclusions that are completely false then you should read Hamiltons post on the second page of this thread. I'll air my full views tomorrow.
Hang on a minute, i'm not making a judgement on 1 game this season I have missed so don't give it the big un.
I am simply comparing this year's attacking line up to last year's and it is uncomparable.
Get back in your box. You went to Gloucester, good on you.
How can you compare it though? We've lost possibly the most exciting player to have played in an Alty shirt to a PREMIERSHIP club and have somehow tried to replace him. Lets be honest, that's not going to happen in a like for like swap. The two are completely incomparable.
Hardly giving it the big un when I'm just stating a simple fact. The reason that Perry played better yesterday was because the rest of the team were playing to his strengths. IE; getting it into his feet as opposed to hoofing it long for him to head on. Something which is not his forté.
Don't quite know what you're getting at with the last statement so, erm, cheers.
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The sponsorship money will be factored into the season's budget. As for any Watmore money none of us know how much there was, or when it's coming, or what it depends on him doing before we get any.
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Either all the playing budget has been spent, in which case it's weird that we're the only club in the league who can't afford more than 16 players, or there's still some left in reserve, in which case it's weird that we haven't used it to bring in more players when they're so clearly needed now. Either way, something's not right.
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Either all the playing budget has been spent, in which case it's weird that we're the only club in the league who can't afford more than 16 players, or there's still some left in reserve, in which case it's weird that we haven't used it to bring in more players when they're so clearly needed now. Either way, something's not right.
3rd option is all the otherr teams are over budget.
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Either all the playing budget has been spent, in which case it's weird that we're the only club in the league who can't afford more than 16 players, or there's still some left in reserve, in which case it's weird that we haven't used it to bring in more players when they're so clearly needed now. Either way, something's not right.
good point
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Either all the playing budget has been spent, in which case it's weird that we're the only club in the league who can't afford more than 16 players, or there's still some left in reserve, in which case it's weird that we haven't used it to bring in more players when they're so clearly needed now. Either way, something's not right.
3rd option is all the otherr teams are over budget.
Well we've certainly seen plenty of THAT option over the last few years.......
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Other teams being over-budget is of no relevance to our situation, though. We've got to stop hiding behind this every time we have a problem of our own which needs addressing.
The fact of the matter is, we haven't got enough players, either because the playing budget has been poorly managed by Lee Sinnott, or because he has not used all the money available to him yet. What we don't know, of course, is how hard he's been trying to bring players in (assuming he has the money to do so).
Perhaps he will be able to clarify exactly what the situation is at the Q&A session on Saturday.
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No idea about budgets and where we stand in the pecking order, but right now we have a chance to win this league and at the moment we are being outperformed (both on the pitch and 'on league table standings') by a number of what I would consider to be smaller clubs and it should be a bitter pill to swallow for all (players, board, fans, manager etc)
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We should have enough money to get in one or two players on loan or frees. If the budget has all been used on the tiny squad we've got then something's gone seriously wrong. In the old days, we were always picking up squad players from FCUM, Curzon Ashton and the like. How come we can't do that now? Obviously, we have to sign people who have a bit of ability, but what's going on with the scouting?
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Glad I decided to give this one a miss. Sounds dreadful.
We might sneak the playoffs if we're lucky.
And let's be honest, the team is weaker than last year's team so why should we expect any more?
No Watmore and no service to Reeves and when Clee doesn't play we lose.
No creativity nor flare. Smikle is a very poor attempt at trying to create flare and when you're looking at a 2 stone overweight centre forward to save the day by winning an occasional knock down header for Walshaw to run after you realise that you're trouble.
One of the few players to come out of tonight with any credibility. If you weren't there then I wouldn't judge to be honest.
I can't be arsed going into it all tonight as I've had hardly any sleep since Friday morning, was at work from 6am this morning and am back in at 6am today having just got home. For anybody who doesn't want to jump to conclusions that are completely false then you should read Hamiltons post on the second page of this thread. I'll air my full views tomorrow.
Hang on a minute, i'm not making a judgement on 1 game this season I have missed so don't give it the big un.
I am simply comparing this year's attacking line up to last year's and it is uncomparable.
Get back in your box. You went to Gloucester, good on you.
How can you compare it though? We've lost possibly the most exciting player to have played in an Alty shirt to a PREMIERSHIP club and have somehow tried to replace him. Lets be honest, that's not going to happen in a like for like swap. The two are completely incomparable.
Hardly giving it the big un when I'm just stating a simple fact. The reason that Perry played better yesterday was because the rest of the team were playing to his strengths. IE; getting it into his feet as opposed to hoofing it long for him to head on. Something which is not his forté.
Don't quite know what you're getting at with the last statement so, erm, cheers.
You're saying that I can't judge because I wasn't there last night. I did not make a judgement on last night. Maybe you would like to read my post again.
I simply said that I think that this year's team is weaker than last year's and explained my reasoning behind why I thought so.
I also said that we might sneak the play offs if we are lucky.
Both of these points are my opinion and I suspect that others may agree with me. Obviously, others may not.
Never once did I jump to any conclusion. Again, you may want to read my original post again.
I will stand by a post I made in August about my thoughts on the signing of Perry. You are welcome to find it. )May I suggest that you read it a couple of times though before jumping on the keyboard?)
Last night Perry may have played well and I am pleased if that was the case. He was actually okay when he cam on against Leek and against Harrogate.
If you don't agree with my opinions then that's your choice but please don't tell me not to judge because I wasn't at last night's game, because I did not make a judgement on last night's game. Also, please do not tell me not to jump to any conclusions because, once again, I didn't.
I will put your comments down to being very tired having not got your 8 hours sleep a night since last Friday.
Glad that's sorted but will of course listen and take on board any further comments you may have on this subject.
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With only 12 players to pick from he's still f**ked it up.
Putting Reeves on the bench is criminal.
Sinnott
Totally agree. >:( >:(
Can't imagine Reevesy being here next year.
He looks permanently pissed off, seems to hate Walshaw and is frequently dropped or substituted. And with no service to him he doesn't score and we all know he needs service.
Perhaps that's the masterplan?
Sell Reeves in January and then use the proceeds plus the accompanying savings in wages to invest in new recruits?
Who knows?
I just hope that there is a masterplan.
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Of course the squad needs strengthening but where do people expect the money to come from to add to it?
Come on Ian, don't play that game. Excuses keep us treading water.
FA Cup prize money? Burton tv money? Money for Duncan Watmore (even at it's lowest ebb, £30-50k), J Davidson sponsor ship money? average gates seem to be holding?
Lily livered.
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Of course the squad needs strengthening but where do people expect the money to come from to add to it?
Come on Ian, don't play that game. Excuses keep us treading water.
FA Cup prize money? Burton tv money? Money for Duncan Watmore (even at it's lowest ebb, £30-50k), J Davidson sponsor ship money? average gates seem to be holding?
Lily livered.
And there was no debt before the above mentioned ? only speculating but income from three of the above(not including crowds) should easily top 100k at an absolute minimum probably more.