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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Man of Moss on January 01, 2018, 07:26:28 PM
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The guy on the half way line who wears the flat cap was forcibly ejected from the ground today. It saddened me to see how it was handled by the stewards. The guy clearly has issues for whatever reason and was quite verbally abusive during the first half, however by the time he was approached by the steward dressed like a paramilitary he was calm, the said steward was quite aggressive and only one outcome was ever going to happen, hats off to the second steward (SIA trained I believe) who was very calm in this situation. But to drag this guy out in front of the support in this manner was a disgrace, could have handled this a lot better and taken him to the quiet side of the ground. In this time of mental health awareness I am disappointed. After all there was plenty of foul and abusive language from the singer's at the Golf Road end in front of families which I understand was the initial source of the complaint from a group of Albion fans.
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Not the first time he has caused issues at the ground and yes he does seem to have some issues going by his behaviour over the years, but surely there has to be a point where he Is given at least either a final warning, if not a permanent ban from the ground.
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Im sure he was banned several years ago for a racial abuse incident - I wouldnt expect that ban to ever be changed hence is still in force ?
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Im sure he was banned several years ago for a racial abuse incident - I wouldnt expect that ban to ever be changed hence is still in force ?
Altrincham FC
25 March 2012 ·
Altrincham FC chairman Grahame Rowley has issued the following statement regarding the incident at yesterday's game:
"Following the behaviour of one of our supporters, Dennis Birch, during the game this afternoon, the Board have decided to ban Mr Birch from Moss Lane. His behaviour is unacceptable to the club.
I have apologised on behalf of the Football Club to the player involved, his manager and the Chairman of Solihull Moors. They have accepted the apology and, as far as both clubs are concerned, this is an end to the matter. As stated recently in the matchday programme, racial abuse will not be tolerated at Altrincham Football Club".
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No arguing with that, why let him in then?
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Was it Denis today or David ?
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The other thread says it was Dave Birch that got thrown out today and he isn't banned from the stadium.
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No arguing with that, why let him in then?
that was Dennis, his brother who was banned for racial abuse
today it was David , his brother who was ejected. it isn't the first time he has been abusive, the Steward did ok considering David was attempting to hit him at one point.
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The guy on the half way line who wears the flat cap was forcibly ejected from the ground today. It saddened me to see how it was handled by the stewards. The guy clearly has issues for whatever reason and was quite verbally abusive during the first half, however by the time he was approached by the steward dressed like a paramilitary he was calm, the said steward was quite aggressive and only one outcome was ever going to happen, hats off to the second steward (SIA trained I believe) who was very calm in this situation. But to drag this guy out in front of the support in this manner was a disgrace, could have handled this a lot better and taken him to the quiet side of the ground. In this time of mental health awareness I am disappointed. After all there was plenty of foul and abusive language from the singer's at the Golf Road end in front of families which I understand was the initial source of the complaint from a group of Albion fans.
What was the steward surposed to do after being hit?
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I was stood right next to him along with several well humoured Witton fans. He just snapped and went on a rant for a few minutes, didn’t really say anything untoward but swearing several times with kids in front of him has obviously led to someone complaining. By the time the whistle went for half time I didn’t hear anything more so surprised he got booted out. He clearly has a mild mental issue
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Not there today and wasn't therefore going to comment. Feel I have to though, David Birch along with his brother Dennis have been lifelong Alty fans, home and away. Sadly Dennis crossed a line and was rightly banned however they both are not the brightest and get a bit emotional in their passion for what is probably one of the only meaningful points in their lives. I would never consider either to be a physical danger to anybody, at most a verbal nuisance. Recent reports suggest a game or games have been attended by a group of 20 or so 17ish kids, chanting aggressively, drinking and looking for trouble with away supporters without any obvious sanction. How does this work? Easy option perhaps for a steward who probably doesn't know him seeing as our regular ones were relieved of duties? Discussion perhaps?
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Fair comment but look at David, he's just a eccentric old idiot who needs a talking to. The Wealdstone Raider was a similar prat and he became a minor celebrity!!
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I was stood right next to him along with several well humoured Witton fans. He just snapped and went on a rant for a few minutes, didn’t really say anything untoward but swearing several times with kids in front of him has obviously led to someone complaining. By the time the whistle went for half time I didn’t hear anything more so surprised he got booted out. He clearly has a mild mental issue
He started swearing and shouting again at HT - the steward asked him to calm down. He didn't - he was then asked to leave - he then went for the steward.
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OK wasn't there but I reckon a regular steward would have known him and dealt with him in a caring manner. My main point is that issues again have been raised today about game management, despite the level we are now at.
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OK wasn't there but I reckon a regular steward would have known him and dealt with him in a caring manner. My main point is that issues again have been raised today about game management, despite the level we are now at.
The steward did nothing wrong
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I was stood right next to him along with several well humoured Witton fans. He just snapped and went on a rant for a few minutes, didn’t really say anything untoward but swearing several times with kids in front of him has obviously led to someone complaining. By the time the whistle went for half time I didn’t hear anything more so surprised he got booted out. He clearly has a mild mental issue
He started swearing and shouting again at HT - the steward asked him to calm down. He didn't - he was then asked to leave - he then went for the steward.
Oh dear. In response to SW the steward that first came over that I saw has certainly been at ML a while
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I saw the incident - the guy was swearing loudly and repeatedly and when the steward tried to reason with him calmly he got worse and then hit out.
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Unless there was anything rascist said, i find it unsual a steward would try and remove someone. And if a steward used OTT force, i'm not suprised he lashed out.
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Unless there was anything rascist said, i find it unsual a steward would try and remove someone. And if a steward used OTT force, i'm not suprised he lashed out.
Did you see the incident?
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lets not berate the steward for carrying out his duties, he has been Stewarding at moss lane for years, I stand on the popular side and have done for years. I have witnessed numerous incidents over the years where David Birch has had a go at both home and visiting fans swearing at people in an aggressive manner. both female and male fans.
In my view he deserves banning, due to his antagonistic attitude. I for one will be glad to see the back of him.
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Agreed
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Just another reason we need segregation. Wasn't the incident sparked by Witton fans celebrating?
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Just another reason we need segregation. Wasn't the incident sparked by Witton fans celebrating?
No, no it wasn’t.
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Just another reason we need segregation. Wasn't the incident sparked by Witton fans celebrating?
No, no it wasn’t.
The incident was reported to the clubs social channels, and in a follow up conversatio
"None of those blokes said anything whatsoever to him. A couple of them turned round to me and said they’d not spoken to him or anything, they just cheered and clapped their goal, what’s wrong with that?"
"There were some Witton fans. Harmless middle aged blokes who of course, celebrated their first goal. He went totally mad used every name under the sun"
Sounds like Witton fans - who did celebrate every goal like a cup final today - annoyed someone, with a history of ranting.
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Just another reason we need segregation. Wasn't the incident sparked by Witton fans celebrating?
No it waan't. He seemed to react to thr supporters behind the goal - singing 'top of the league you are having a laugh'
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Just another reason we need segregation. Wasn't the incident sparked by Witton fans celebrating?
No, no it wasn’t.
The incident was reported to the clubs social channels, and in a follow up conversatio
"None of those blokes said anything whatsoever to him. A couple of them turned round to me and said they’d not spoken to him or anything, they just cheered and clapped their goal, what’s wrong with that?"
"There were some Witton fans. Harmless middle aged blokes who of course, celebrated their first goal. He went totally mad used every name under the sun"
Sounds like Witton fans - who did celebrate every goal like a cup final today - annoyed someone, with a history of ranting.
His outburst was after they’d gone 2 1 up close to half time, the Wilton fans were chatting amongst themselves, he just snapped. What happened after that I don’t know but it was certainly not to do with the celebration of a goal
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lets not berate the steward for carrying out his duties, he has been Stewarding at moss lane for years, I stand on the popular side and have done for years. I have witnessed numerous incidents over the years where David Birch has had a go at both home and visiting fans swearing at people in an aggressive manner. both female and male fans.
In my view he deserves banning, due to his antagonistic attitude. I for one will be glad to see the back of him.
amen
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Just another reason we need segregation. Wasn't the incident sparked by Witton fans celebrating?
No, no it wasn’t.
The incident was reported to the clubs social channels, and in a follow up conversatio
"None of those blokes said anything whatsoever to him. A couple of them turned round to me and said they’d not spoken to him or anything, they just cheered and clapped their goal, what’s wrong with that?"
"There were some Witton fans. Harmless middle aged blokes who of course, celebrated their first goal. He went totally mad used every name under the sun"
Sounds like Witton fans - who did celebrate every goal like a cup final today - annoyed someone, with a history of ranting.
Not what I saw and heard (and I was stood there) It had been 1-2 before the first rant.
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A message from the board regarding today’s incident...
“During today’s game there was an incident on the Popular Side Terrace in which a long time Altrincham fan was evicted from the ground for constant bad language, verbal abuse towards a steward and then physical aggression. As Altrincham fans know, this is unacceptable at our club and the supporter in question has been given a lifetime ban from the J Davidson Stadium.”
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Good.
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...and with that statement I would suggest that a moderator locks this topic.
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Shame on you, a life time supporter that has mental issues, disgusting
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Shame on you, a life time supporter that has mental issues, disgusting
How do you know he has mental issues?
Lifelong or not he can’t behave like that. It’s not like he’s not had fair warning prior to today? I’ve known him and his brother over 20 years. They have had countless warnings for aggression, racism, foul abuse towards our fans, opposition fans and players alike.
How would we all feel if we just accepted this behaviour because it’s the good old Birch brothers and they’re a bit mentally ill and then one of them abuses the wrong fan and gets shoed in properly? That or they get someone else battered as once nearly happened at Tamworth.
If they are mentally ill or unstable a football ground isn’t the place for them.
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Every fan entering the ground has personal circumstances of one form or another. Every fan is ultimately responsible for their own behaviour too. This should apply equally across the board, not making allowances or being lenient because the perpetrator is some sort of "character".
If this had been some young lad behaving in such a way on numerous occasions he would have been booted out long ago. I am pleased the club has finally banned this individual for good.
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I think you have answered your own question L'homme. His behaviour does go beyond what anyone could reasonably describe as normal. When I walked past him he was having a discussion with himself about how we would just have to win 3 -2 which is OK but at other times he does become extremely agitated with very little provocation. He was protesting loudly that he hadn't done anything yesterday. I wasn't stood in that part of the terrace when the initial incident took place so can only rely on what others said. Ultimately he attempted to assault the official which was vever going to end well.
He really could do with "a carer or friend " but its not the club's place to provide one. We have agreed the club does have a duty to ensure the safety of everyone in the ground on previous threads so I think it is unfortunate but we have to make sure he or anyone else isn't the spark for bigger issues.