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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: AltyTunnelSteward on September 30, 2014, 11:00:04 PM
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Firstly I am over the moon with the result.
I'm not going to ask where Jamie at al are at present after their diatrobes on Saturday as that would be churlish. I will compliment Ollie on his post tonight too.
Onto the reason for my moan.
Another big game - another flare and then either it's thrown back on or a second one is thrown on.
These events are reported to the League, The FA and the Licensing Authorities and can have very significant implications.
I don't know but I would not be surprised if a fine were to be levied against the Club by the League. Potentially of more concern over the piece could be the possibility of additional requirements upon the Club from Trafford. They can put all manner of conditions on the licence which could cost the Club significant amounts.
Flares ARE illegal so, if you know who brought it in, at least tell them not to ever do it again please as that sort of thing is NOT welcome at Moss Lane
Miserable Tw@t rant over
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Smoke canister, not a flare. Not as dangerous, but certainly very annoying for people that don't want to breathe it in.
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Still just as illegal Ian
Still reportable
Still has ramifications
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The police in the ground didn't seem to bothered about it, Yes i agree than can get the club a fine
Big campaign going on from Premiership downwards
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I think it's one person or group that come out for the big games specifically and decide to bring these things. The only one that was brought and that Alty fans knew about beforehand was Brackley at home as far as I know.
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So we can keep the moans in a single thread, may I ask why 1/3 of the pop side was closed off?
Quite unnecessary to inconvenience regular supporters like that. If we need to stop knobs from the away end trying to get all Danny Dyer on us then position the police in the sterile area in the corner between the pop side and chequers end.
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The Brackley one was a flare. There was also a smoke canister let off at Hednesford.
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The Brackley one was a flare. There was also a smoke canister let off at Hednesford.
also at County away last season.
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I'll try and clear a few things up.
The only flare that has been common knowledge to those who frequent Moss Lane was indeed the one that was used during the Brackley game in the 2012/2013 season. I know that because I attended the game with those responsible, and I'd say on that day there were about 20-30 who knew about it. After the mixed response on the forum after that game, there has not been any such item brought in by a regular Altrincham fan and I can say that with assurance.
There was a red smokebomb let off away at Stockport towards the end of last season and as far as I am aware that was brought in and used by a group of lads who do not regularly attend Altrincham matches. They were stood right away from the core bulk of Altrincham fans and that is always a strong indication.
The green (and I still don't understand why it was green) smokebomb that was let off during the home leg of the play-off semi-final against Hednesford was also done so by fans who do not regularly attend Altrincham matches.
Again, tonight, there was one red smokebomb and it was set off by fans who I don't believe to be Altrincham regulars. It was brought in by a group of teenage lads. I noticed they were planning it well before the second half started and I told them that if they were going to do it then they'd better make sure it was done "properly." By that I mean do not throw it on the pitch. Unfortunately they did that.
There were not two smokebombs tonight, only the one. Also I'm pretty sure that the Macclesfield fan who came bounding over was the one who threw it back onto the pitch but I cannot confirm that.
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They were stood right away from the core bulk of Altrincham fans and that is always a strong indication.
Correct. There were plenty of Alty fans there that day and the lads with the rather crappy smokebomb were stood / sat at one side well away from the main core.
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The police in the ground didn't seem to bothered about it, Yes i agree than can get the club a fine
Big campaign going on from Premiership downwards
They were also quite disinterested in the Macc fans swinging from the netting under your Camera point Darre
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Thanks that's fine but the fact that they aren't "regular" alty fans would not save us from any sanction
All I am saying and trying not to be a killjoy in the process, is that these sort of things can have ramifications which the perpetrators etc may not have any cognisance of, otherwise they probably wouldn't do it
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It's a valid point Phil but I reckon whoever did it will have just come for the Macc game. They won't be on here and they won't be bothered mate sorry to say.
We know it's wrong.
On another note I'd like to praise the stewarding tonight. We are quick to jump on it when things go wrong like Chester and Wrexham. A lot of planning goes into these games that we don't see. On my way to the game in the car and there was groups of Macc fans stopping traffic singing anti Alty songs ( thought they weren't arsed about us } outside the sports centre and coming down from the King George.
I think it was the right decision to move the segregation back as if we had scored that goal up against the wall then more than one nutter would have been over it and that would be the talk tonight. Not sure how he got as far as he did but overall it was very well run and a top night.
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The police in the ground didn't seem to bothered about it, Yes i agree than can get the club a fine
Big campaign going on from Premiership downwards
They were also quite disinterested in the Macc fans swinging from the netting under your Camera point Darre
Didn't really affect me after i stood my ground with the ones trying to climb the ladder
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Fully understand the trouble it can get the club in but like Ecky says, those who were responsible won't be bothered by that.
I fear with more high profile games we will attract similar types of people, attending our games to do similar things.
We all know it is an in-thing at the moment and people would much rather do it at Moss Lane than Old Trafford.
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It's a valid point Phil but I reckon whoever did it will have just come for the Macc game. They won't be on here and they won't be bothered mate sorry to say.
We know it's wrong.
On another note I'd like to praise the stewarding tonight. We are quick to jump on it when things go wrong like Chester and Wrexham. A lot of planning goes into these games that we don't see. On my way to the game in the car and there was groups of Macc fans stopping traffic singing anti Alty songs ( thought they weren't arsed about us } outside the sports centre and coming down from the King George.
I think it was the right decision to move the segregation back as if we had scored that goal up against the wall then more than one nutter would have been over it and that would be the talk tonight. Not sure how he got as far as he did but overall it was very well run and a top night.
I think, and to save Beez the trouble, he slightly hoped he'd have been stopped a biit closer than he was, otherwise he'd have got a right shearing! hardly jean Claude Van Damme was he, Jesus wept!
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The police in the ground didn't seem to bothered about it, Yes i agree than can get the club a fine
Big campaign going on from Premiership downwards
They were also quite disinterested in the Macc fans swinging from the netting under your Camera point Darre
Didn't really affect me after i stood my ground with the ones trying to climb the ladder
Yup, I know where my money would've been!! :D
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Just beat macc one nil, couldnt give a toss
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Just beat macc one nil, couldnt give a toss
HUZZAH!
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No matter how happy we all felt after the game, one can only imagine the sheer ecstacy ATS was going through when he realised he could yet again get on his high horse about something.
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Jimmy Hill fails to get point shocker
You will see the title of the thread - this disproves your High Horse Theory
If you actually read any of my posts you will see how happy I was with the win.
If you think that having a pop at me is okay then fine but, having researched things here are some possible results of the flare/smokebomb scenario
Significant Fine for Home Club - Amused Jimmy?
Requirement from Licensing Authority to improve Security including use of External SIA accredited Company. Significant Cost increase and Stewards like those at Barnet and Tamworth. - Happy Jimmy?
Ultimately restrictions on usage of Stadium.
Maybe all of these are extreme examples, probably so in fact but let me ask you these questions
Who do you think ultimately pays the fines and the increased security costs? Where does that money come from? Might it impact on a Clubs playing Budget?
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Jimmy Hill fails to get point shocker
You will see the title of the thread - this disproves your High Horse Theory
If you actually read any of my posts you will see how happy I was with the win.
If you think that having a pop at me is okay then fine but, having researched things here are some possible results of the flare/smokebomb scenario
Significant Fine for Home Club - Amused Jimmy?
Requirement from Licensing Authority to improve Security including use of External SIA accredited Company. Significant Cost increase and Stewards like those at Barnet and Tamworth. - Happy Jimmy?
Ultimately restrictions on usage of Stadium.
Maybe all of these are extreme examples, probably so in fact but let me ask you these questions
Who do you think ultimately pays the fines and the increased security costs? Where does that money come from? Might it impact on a Clubs playing Budget?
In France the stewards are trained how to deal with flares and smokebombs safely. There's rarely any incident and flares are let off like Reevesy's strike rate. We can harp on about how irresponsible it is all we like but it looks good and represents the fervor of the atmosphere around the fans. Yes there's a amount of associated risk, but then more or less everything in life has a risk and the perceived risk isnt much higher than people smoking on the terraces.
If the stewards are trained to deal with them safely it would be less of an issue for me. Overall they are not and the FA frown on it so its not a recommended thing to do at the match. However, it doesn't warrant commenting on it almost immediately.
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They don't look good and they are sod to breath in. If you want to choke on red dye I suggest you let one of in your car and enjoy it in private.
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They don't look good and they are sod to breath in. If you want to choke on red dye I suggest you let one of in your car and enjoy it in private.
Matter of opinion.
I dont want to choke on red dye and I didnt last night. What I do privately in my car is up to me, the person that took those pics of me in my car was well out of order, i'd flashed the interior light three times it was fair game.
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Actually rather than throw a hissy fit when one gets chucked on the pitch all someone needs to do is put some sand over it.
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Jimmy Hill fails to get point shocker
You will see the title of the thread - this disproves your High Horse Theory
If you actually read any of my posts you will see how happy I was with the win.
If you think that having a pop at me is okay then fine but, having researched things here are some possible results of the flare/smokebomb scenario
Significant Fine for Home Club - Amused Jimmy?
Requirement from Licensing Authority to improve Security including use of External SIA accredited Company. Significant Cost increase and Stewards like those at Barnet and Tamworth. - Happy Jimmy?
Ultimately restrictions on usage of Stadium.
Maybe all of these are extreme examples, probably so in fact but let me ask you these questions
Who do you think ultimately pays the fines and the increased security costs? Where does that money come from? Might it impact on a Clubs playing Budget?
QED
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Jimmy Hill fails to get point shocker
You will see the title of the thread - this disproves your High Horse Theory
If you actually read any of my posts you will see how happy I was with the win.
If you think that having a pop at me is okay then fine but, having researched things here are some possible results of the flare/smokebomb scenario
Significant Fine for Home Club - Amused Jimmy?
Requirement from Licensing Authority to improve Security including use of External SIA accredited Company. Significant Cost increase and Stewards like those at Barnet and Tamworth. - Happy Jimmy?
Ultimately restrictions on usage of Stadium.
Maybe all of these are extreme examples, probably so in fact but let me ask you these questions
Who do you think ultimately pays the fines and the increased security costs? Where does that money come from? Might it impact on a Clubs playing Budget?
QED
;D ;D ;D ;D
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They're commonplace in France, Germany and Italy because those who attend the games are still treated as fans there. English fans are seen much more as consumers, and when there is something within the experience that some customers do not like then its likely to be shunned.
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Stupid thread...no harm done and nobody dead! Happens once in a blue moon! If your that arsed about getting it in your mouth just shut the damn thing for a while and let people enjoy themselves
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It's that Communist Welshman...
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or is that Red Dai?
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It's that Communist Welshman...
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or is that Red Dai?
CLEAR YOUR DESK AND GET OUT.
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Stupid thread...no harm done and nobody dead! Happens once in a blue moon! If your that arsed about getting it in your mouth just shut the damn thing for a while and let people enjoy themselves
I believe 'This' is used as a common term of agreement these days.
This
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Interesting article on this topic here from the FSF...
http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/ban-the-bomb
and the legal clarification...
http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf
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Thanks for the links, Bob - everyone should read both and take them seriously.
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Interesting article on this topic here from the FSF...
http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/ban-the-bomb
and the legal clarification...
http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf
Exactly!!!!
If someone gets arrested and sentenced.
Would people then say it's just a laugh, and a bit of fun.
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Interesting article on this topic here from the FSF...
http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/ban-the-bomb
and the legal clarification...
http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf
Exactly!!!!
If someone gets arrested and sentenced.
Would people then say it's just a laugh, and a bit of fun.
I suppose that would depend on who it was
Tease me tease me
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Id probably give a jocular appraisal