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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: football_fans on October 19, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
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Was just wondering what everyone considers to be their top 3 rivals.
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General feeling at Altrincham seems to be
1. Macclesfield
2. Northwich
3. FCUM (a long way behind the top 2)
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Macclesfield
Northwich
Runcorn
Fc united don't even register for me
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Had this discussion before but always nice to revisit.
As well as FCUM you have to consider Stalybridge, Droylesden, Runcorn, County, Witton, Barrow plus others.
For me it was always Vics (All of them), Macc and then Runcorn.
It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
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Traditionally Macc, Vics, Runcorn.
Vics and Runcorn are off the radar now. No idea why FCUM would be on there given we have hardly ever played them. Same for County and Chester.
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top 3 rivalries
Macc
Northwhich
the third one is a toss up between Runcorn and Wigan, they were probably bigger rivals in the latter days of the Cheshire lge and beginning of the NPL. Some of the crowds for Alty/ Wigan matches were huge 6,000 plus wasn't un common and i for one was really made up to beat them 1-0 in the FA Cup and set up the Spurs tie (2ND ONE ). After all that i would say Wigan for the reasons mentioned
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Wigan can't be counted anymore, as if they give one about us
It's like how Aldershot still think they're relevant to Reading, it's funny really .
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It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not
No rivalry with County or Stalybridge
And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus
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FCUM? I absolutely love this forum always gives me a good laugh
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I'd say macc northwich Runcorn if I was old enough I may say Wigan but to young to appreciate
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I'd say macc northwich Runcorn if I was old enough I may say Wigan but to young to appreciate
what about FCUM or Droylsden?
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Got to be Wythenshawe Town or Salford City for me...
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It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not
No rivalry with County or Stalybridge
And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus
We've had a long term low level rivalry with Stalybridge for years in my opinion. County - very close, and at or about level so I think there is a growing rivalry with them. It lacks history but it's there and may well develop in the same way that Vics and Runcorn withered.
Droylesden - played them to often in recent years for my liking with some antagonism. Deliberately prepared crap pitch with grass to the ankle and comments from Pace about "glad we're playing them again as I do like to meet our friends from Alty" - with tongue firmly in cheek as we were relegated.
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For me rivalries are long standing and essentially mutual affairs that matter like hell. Like Macc and Vics as they were, possibly Runcorn, possibly Wigan in the NPL days. There is another category in teams you hate for whatever reason, FGR, I hated Scarborough for a while after the late 70s Trophy semi, I've never been keen on Boston and I have a completely unfounded but genuine dislike of Crystal Palace, but none of those could be considered rivalries. I don't regard Southport, Witton, Stalybridge, Stockport, Chester or Hyde as rivals but possibly Barrow, we go back a long way and have had some ding-dongs.
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It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not
No rivalry with County or Stalybridge
And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus
We've had a long term low level rivalry with Stalybridge for years in my opinion. County - very close, and at or about level so I think there is a growing rivalry with them. It lacks history but it's there and may well develop in the same way that Vics and Runcorn withered.
Droylesden - played them to often in recent years for my liking with some antagonism. Deliberately prepared crap pitch with grass to the ankle and comments from Pace about "glad we're playing them again as I do like to meet our friends from Alty" - with tongue firmly in cheek as we were relegated.
Take Dave Pace out of the equation and Droylsden would be another Mossley, Hyde or Ashton who we have no real feeling for. The antagonism was never the club but Pace. The only way we will develop a rivalry with County (or Chester) is if we play them more but yes the future rivalry potential is there. It isn't really one right now though.
Stalybridge to a degree because they are local and we have played them quite a lot, but they have their own rivals really. I would sort of say Barrow for the similar reasons, even Southport perhaps if pushed. But that's creating rivals for the sake of it.
Not in the same class as Vics, Runcorn or Macc
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It's more like Macc, County and Stalybridge now.
No it's not
No rivalry with County or Stalybridge
And why would we have to consider FCUM and Droylsden - ludicrus
We've had a long term low level rivalry with Stalybridge for years in my opinion. County - very close, and at or about level so I think there is a growing rivalry with them. It lacks history but it's there and may well develop in the same way that Vics and Runcorn withered.
Droylesden - played them to often in recent years for my liking with some antagonism. Deliberately prepared crap pitch with grass to the ankle and comments from Pace about "glad we're playing them again as I do like to meet our friends from Alty" - with tongue firmly in cheek as we were relegated.
Take Dave Pace out of the equation and Droylsden would be another Mossley, Hyde or Ashton who we have no real feeling for. The antagonism was never the club but Pace. The only way we will develop a rivalry with County (or Chester) is if we play them more but yes the future rivalry potential is there. It isn't really one right now though.
Stalybridge to a degree because they are local and we have played them quite a lot, but they have their own rivals really. I would sort of say Barrow for the similar reasons, even Southport perhaps if pushed. But that's creating rivals for the sake of it.
Not in the same class as Vics, Runcorn or Macc
Absolutely. Steeped in history.
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1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn
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1) Northwich Victoria
2) Macclesfield Town
3) Wycombe Wanderers
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1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn
It's posts like this that are dragging this forum from a place where one can exchange a range of views and feelings on football to one of anarchy
Please act now administrators
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1. maccelsfield
2. Northwich
3. Chester
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Instinctively, I said, Macc, Vics and Wigan (in that order) but having read through the replies, I'd have to agree that the latics couldn't give a monkeys about us now so they're out of the equation.
After a great deal more thought, I decided that although quite a few teams get on my nerves, none would qualify for 'rivalry' status so I'd have to say only two rivalries remain ... the milkmen and the slime.
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The reason I mentioned FCUM is because nobody I have met at Altrincham has a good word to say about them. The trouble at the pre season friendly a few years ago still angers a lot of people.
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Even pacey has become more sensible in recent years. To me the 3rd rivalry is Staleybridge.
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The reason I mentioned FCUM is because nobody I have met at Altrincham has a good word to say about them. The trouble at the pre season friendly a few years ago still angers a lot of people.
I don't think anyone's arsed
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1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn
Wise words!
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Might I offer an alternative list for Southern Exiles:
1. Crawley (town, club, people. Everything)
2. Stevenage (crap day out, lacks good pubs. Paul Merson treated like a demi-god in the bar one time).
3. And a new entrant, Barnet. Can't possibly think why.
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I think a lot of who you consider rivals is dependent on who the big games are against when you first properly start supporting Alty.
I know it's pretty much sacrilegious but I had always considered Northwich bigger rivals than Macc. Having never seen us play Macc they felt more like some mysterious boogeyman rather than an actual rival. However now Northwich are nothing (which is actually quite sad) I can see why Macc are now top of the pile.
After that I've always considered Southport and Barrow as decent rivals, both clubs with a similar history to our own and always bring decent support with them. The matches don't have the needle of derby matches but we've had some cracking games with both sides in the league and cup.
However, the weird thing is I don't actually have anything against either Southport and Barrow. I enjoy it when we beat them but I don't actively dislike them. There seems like there should be another category that aren't exactly rivals but you do really sort of despise them.
Into this category go Accrington Stanley - possibly the most wanky fans there are, so up themselves that they make FCUM look relatively modest. Tamworth - the games against them were always horrible, Heathcote didn't help things with his constant arguments with their fans in the shed but really quite a knobbish club. Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.
However, I am willing to admit that my views on Accrington, Tamworth and Kettering might just be the result of paying too much attention to some knobs on the internet.
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As there are two northwichs id go
1) MACC
2) NORTHWICH
3) NORTHWICH ;D
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1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn
Wise words!
I thought that was part of the shipping forecast, to be followed by Dogger, Fisher, German Bight. :-\
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Macclesfield
Northwich
Stalybridge
Stalybridge and Northwich very very close.
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1) Hinckley
2) Dover
3) Unicorn
Wise words!
I thought that was part of the shipping forecast, to be followed by Dogger, Fisher, German Bight. :-\
Does Stan Collymore play for them?
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Macc
Vics
Witton or Runcorn
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Macclesfield
Northwich
Stalybridge
Stalybridge and Northwich very very close.
Stalybridge and Vics close? You're a bit rusty sir. I can't compare the hatred I have for Vics to the mere passive agression I have for vegas.
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macc
vicks
Runcorn
witon
wigan
stockport
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macc
vicks
Runcorn
witon
wigan
stockport
sorry that's 6 of all time ;D
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Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.
Not exactly sleeping giants but the fact that the whole town turns up when they are doing well suggests they have the potential to become giants if they ever make it to the big time. A better reason to hate them is the little known fact that they are responsible for every team now having an advert plastered across their chest. Derek Dougan fully deserved that slap he got at the Den back in the good old days.
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I think a lot of who you consider rivals is dependent on who the big games are against when you first properly start supporting Alty.
However, the weird thing is I don't actually have anything against either Southport and Barrow. I enjoy it when we beat them but I don't actively dislike them. There seems like there should be another category that aren't exactly rivals but you do really sort of despise them.
For those who began watching Alty in the 1960s or 1970s, the big derby was always against Macc (usually involving playing them on Boxing Day and New Year's Day).
Owing to Macc's failure to qualify for the Alliance Premier League for the 1979/80 season, the green slime of Vics emerged to become our bête noire (notably assisted by the heinous Jeff Forshaw).
Macc didn't attain promotion into the then GM Vauxhall Conference until the 1987/88 season.
As regards teams from afar who you loathe, well, any Alty supporter who watched the Robins during the 1970s would surely add Boston United to that particular list of infamy.
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I think we also have crap memories of Boston from the 80's (cheating bastards in trophy semi) and 90's (ask Leroy Chambers)
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I think we also have crap memories of Boston from the 80's (cheating bastards in trophy semi) and 90's (ask Leroy Chambers)
GOOD CALL. Inbred T**ts from an ar5ehole of a town.
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No one metioned Colwyn Bay after recent visits
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No one metioned Colwyn Bay after recent visits
a few miles away from alty that one daz
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in my prime i would have said
vics
macc
runcorn
witton never been an issue as we both have a mutual hatred of all things green
tameside teams a little bit irritating but no real rivalry
hates ... kettering dating back many years
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No one metioned Colwyn Bay after recent visits
a few miles away from alty that one daz
Bay started to irritate me, but I never see them as rivals. A valid point raised earlier about Droylesden being predominantly down to Dave Pace and most of the bad feeling re. Colwyn Bay is all about Frank Sinclair and his obnoxious behaviour.
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Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.
Not exactly sleeping giants but the fact that the whole town turns up when they are doing well suggests they have the potential to become giants if they ever make it to the big time. A better reason to hate them is the little known fact that they are responsible for every team now having an advert plastered across their chest. Derek Dougan fully deserved that slap he got at the Den back in the good old days.
It's was Kettering tyres I think
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I think we also have crap memories of Boston from the 80's (cheating bastards in trophy semi) and 90's (ask Leroy Chambers)
Yes, I have never seen a victory over Boston. After losing the trophy semi-final in 1985, I decided not to bother going to the last league game of the season against Boston. IIRC a 7-2 win.
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For those who began watching Alty in the 1960s or 1970s, the big derby was always against Macc (usually involving playing them on Boxing Day and New Year's Day).
Owing to Macc's failure to qualify for the Alliance Premier League for the 1979/80 season, the green slime of Vics emerged to become our bête noire (notably assisted by the heinous Jeff Forshaw).
Macc didn't attain promotion into the then GM Vauxhall Conference until the 1987/88 season.
As regards teams from afar who you loathe, well, any Alty supporter who watched the Robins during the 1970s would surely add Boston United to that particular list of infamy.
Can't argue with any of that.
Of course there was once a brief period where there were six teams from Cheshire in the top tier of Non League football:
Alty, Macc, Vics, Runcorn, Witton and Staly
That will never happen again.
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Of course there was once a brief period where there were six teams from Cheshire in the top tier of Non League football:
Alty, Macc, Vics, Runcorn, Witton and Staly
That will never happen again.
Greta days those. So many top flight teams in the area, I suppose your're right in that it'll never happen again.
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This thread seems to have become any club we have a gripe against - which is many as we have a chip on our shoulder
Thing is our only real rivals are Macc and Northwich, maybe in years gone by Runcorn and Wigan
Barrow etc whilst can be fruity not really a rivalry
As for those suggesting County and FCUM or Droylsden or Tamworth, Jesus wept do you know the definition of rivalry?
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Macc, Vics, FGR for me
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Macc,Wigan,Slime
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Macc and Vics in no particular order, though for purely personal reasons, Southport is right up there as a rival too.
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The only two rivals are the milkmen and the pricks forget the rest.
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Macc & Vics. No-one else counts.
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Historically there were 4 rivals:-
Wigan
Macc
Runcorn
Vics
Vics were in our league for many, many years until I think we got relegated in 1997.
Wigan got our place in the Football League in 1978, a year before Macc came bottom of the NPL and we didnt play them for a while.
Runcorn we branded as Scousers.
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It's an odd thread you don't really have as many as 3 main rivals you have 1 at a push 2 the third team has been a token gesture
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It's an odd thread you don't really have as many as 3 main rivals you have 1 at a push 2 the third team has been a token gesture
Since the formation of the APL/Conference we have only had one or two of these teams in our league at the same time. Now only Macc still exist in our league, Wigan progressed having taken advantage of the opportunity we should have had, and the other two are dead.
The 5 rivals together was as a result of being in a regional league.
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It's an odd thread you don't really have as many as 3 main rivals you have 1 at a push 2 the third team has been a token gesture
Since the formation of the APL/Conference we have only had one or two of these teams in our league at the same time. Now only Macc still exist in our league, Wigan progressed having taken advantage of the opportunity we should have had, and the other two are dead.
The 5 rivals together was as a result of being in a regional league.
not really true Runcorn and Vics have been in the same league as us until not that long ago - same with Macc bar last 17 years
All three clubs have played most of their history in the same regional leagues - hence why they are rivals and County of FCUM aren't - or have I missed something?
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Kettering Town - massive ideas above their station, seem to think that because the town turns out when they're lop of the league they're sleeping giants.
Not exactly sleeping giants but the fact that the whole town turns up when they are doing well suggests they have the potential to become giants if they ever make it to the big time. A better reason to hate them is the little known fact that they are responsible for every team now having an advert plastered across their chest. Derek Dougan fully deserved that slap he got at the Den back in the good old days.
It's was Kettering tyres I think
Kettering Tyres is owned by an Altrincham family - I went to school with the co-owner
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Or rather Kettering Motorist Centre
http://www.ketteringmotoristcentre.co.uk/index.php
A family member is a regular at Moss Lane when he visits from Hereford and well known to many Alty fans :)