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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on December 28, 2014, 05:08:29 PM
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How to beat the struggling sides in this league. That was abject again, when at home to a side in the bottom five. I make that roughly a third of Nuneaton's points yeild has come against us. Eventually the wins against decent sides will stop, we need to learn quickly. Nicky clee was no use on the right wing in the league below, so it's not going to have improved is it.
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Clee on the right a deinite no no,put it down to a bad day at the office, I feel a sttriker and or winger should be brought in .
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Crowther was a waste of time today , Wilko not much better , there keeper kept them in it , but had a feeling we would lose .
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That was atrocious. Absolute bunch of fannies. No drive, no power, no real hardness to punish a team there for the taking. It really needs addressing. It won't be addressed of course but it should be.
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Good goalkeeping and poor finishing cost us today. Second half we were poor like they were but we should still have scored a couple of goals. Ryan was poor today but we lost our shape when he went off. we missed cav and Richman today, either rotated or injured but we did enough to secure the points if we had been more clinical, also pity Tom's effort was ruled offside.
Lets hope we are back to full strength on Thursday.
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I watched the first half from the stand and saw the fear in Crowther's eyes when the ball was coming towards him, he simply didn't want to be on the pitch today. Clee is most definately a no no on the right, far too narrow today. Clee and Griffin attacking are our weapons, Nicky never has been effective cutting in,he's so good at taking them on out wide then maybe cutting in when in the box. Moult and Williams in the first 30 mins were unreal, they bossed it but we faded and the second half performance was as cold as the weather!
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A few points:
Why Nicky Clee played on the right and Crowther on the left is beyond me. As soon as they swapped positions, Nicky looked better. Then, they revert to their original places for the second half.
Ryan Crowther looked like the kid at school who hates PE. Short of standing still, pulling his sleeves over his hands, then putting them down his shorts, he could not have looked less interested. A real sulk today.
Sean Williams is not up to it IMO. All huff and puff with a consistently average final ball.
Greg Wilkinson must have been shell-shocked at seeing action so early, which probably explained the fact that he disappeared the entire time he was on the pitch. I genuinely think he doesn't know what his role is. Put him out of his misery Lee.
Kyle Perry. What more is there to say? I know that people will come on here and start digging me and saying he has a role to play, but I say you're all wrong. I don't think I have ever seen a man look less like a footballler. When he blasted his shot so wide of the goal that it went for a throw in, Alty fans were laughing. He is now not even the best striker in Stubblemelt.
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Good goalkeeping and poor finishing cost us today. Second half we were poor like they were but we should still have scored a couple of goals. Ryan was poor today but we lost our shape when he went off. we missed cav and Richman today, either rotated or injured but we did enough to secure the points if we had been more clinical, also pity Tom's effort was ruled offside.
Lets hope we are back to full strength on Thursday.
On another day Damian takes those chances and we scrape through the game playing like absolute toss, but I don't think we did anywhere near enough to earn the win today. More than poor finishing cost us. There's no way we deserved to win that because we showed a complete lack of endeavour to do so. We were physically bullied at times and it was atrocious to watch.
Luckily we remain 10 points clear (albeit other sides have games in hand.) For me its all about staying up by any means necessary and we're doing that so far, but as Figgy says the results against decent sides cannot go on forever. On the other hand though, our performances against the crap in this league cannot go on forever either. We'll get it right.
We're a team with big complacency issues and the lows have been pretty bloody low this season, but the season's aim has always been to stay up and we're accomplishing that.
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A few points:
Why Nicky Clee played on the right and Crowther on the left is beyond me. As soon as they swapped positions, Nicky looked better. Then, they revert to their original places for the second half.
Ryan Crowther looked like the kid at school who hates PE. Short of standing still, pulling his sleeves over his hands, then putting them down his shorts, he could not have looked less interested. A real sulk today.
Sean Williams is not up to it IMO. All huff and puff with a consistently average final ball.
Greg Wilkinson must have been shell-shocked at seeing action so early, which probably explained the fact that he disappeared the entire time he was on the pitch. I genuinely think he doesn't know what his role is. Put him out of his misery Lee.
Kyle Perry. What more is there to say? I know that people will come on here and start digging me and saying he has a role to play, but I say you're all wrong. I don't think I have ever seen a man look less like a footballler. When he blasted his shot so wide of the goal that it went for a throw in, Alty fans were laughing. He is now not even the best striker in Stubblemelt.
Williams was the best player on the pitch first half. Such a difference watching it from the stand, he won the ball, he drove and his pasing was very good
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I wasn't there today but although the result was disappointing you've got to take into account the schedule, the conditions in the Chester game and the depleted squad. This wasn't the only "odd" result today. Who would have backed Chester to win at Halifax?
I wonder if Tom Marshall could play centre-forward? Now that Scott Leather is back it might be an option.
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To add to my reply to eightiesrobin. I totally agree about Kyle, truly awful and embarrassing!
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A few points:
Why Nicky Clee played on the right and Crowther on the left is beyond me. As soon as they swapped positions, Nicky looked better. Then, they revert to their original places for the second half.
Ryan Crowther looked like the kid at school who hates PE. Short of standing still, pulling his sleeves over his hands, then putting them down his shorts, he could not have looked less interested. A real sulk today.
Sean Williams is not up to it IMO. All huff and puff with a consistently average final ball.
Greg Wilkinson must have been shell-shocked at seeing action so early, which probably explained the fact that he disappeared the entire time he was on the pitch. I genuinely think he doesn't know what his role is. Put him out of his misery Lee.
Kyle Perry. What more is there to say? I know that people will come on here and start digging me and saying he has a role to play, but I say you're all wrong. I don't think I have ever seen a man look less like a footballler. When he blasted his shot so wide of the goal that it went for a throw in, Alty fans were laughing. He is now not even the best striker in Stubblemelt.
Williams was the best player on the pitch first half. Such a difference watching it from the stand, he won the ball, he drove and his pasing was very good
He's been a big disappointment this season IMO. I would take Jake Moult over him every time. Diff'rent strokes I suppose.
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Love Moult too! I think we have good centre mids. We need two wide men, Clee is injured too often, a strong and quick forward and a centre back cover as I personally see lots of mistakes in Marshall but wouldn't be fair to expand when he's been playing well!
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Too add about Williams as with Richman they bring energy and cover lots of ground which are massive attributes in this league even though the standard has massively dropped since we were last in it!
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so disapointing, but no-longer a surprise, thought we may win at chester and after doing so, half expected us to lose today
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I'm not a Marshall fan either, but yes, can't really say too much, as he looks more likely to score than our strikers at the minute.
Crowther is such an infuriating character, as is Gillespie, though for different reasons. They are both clearly talented, but I just get the feeling neither of them will be playing football for much longer.
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Incidentally, has anyone noticed the tendency to poor results when we have a goal disallowed at 0-0?
By my reckoning, results in the past 12 months include:
Leek Town - lost 2-1
Worcester City - lost 2-1
Stockport County - drew 0-0
Woking - lost 2-0
Today - lost 1-0.
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i think the performance and sheer effort shown by marshall has been great, if only we could say that about all the players, we wouldent have lost today
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I watched the first half from the stand and saw the fear in Crowther's eyes when the ball was coming towards him, he simply didn't want to be on the pitch today.
Crowther's attitude today was an utter disgrace.
When he turned his back on one challenge in front of the Main Stand during the first half, it should have been Sinnott's cue to withdraw him instantly.
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How to beat the struggling sides in this league. That was abject again, when at home to a side in the bottom five. I make that roughly a third of Nuneaton's points yeild has come against us. Eventually the wins against decent sides will stop, we need to learn quickly. Nicky clee was no use on the right wing in the league below, so it's not going to have improved is it.
Is it not to late to learn we have already played the wank and in some cases twice however we will be ok because we have turned into a decent side on the back foot against the better sides also the better pro sides are not much cop but yes it's not ideal
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Badly missed Richmans energy, Dens right wing attacking threat and Cavanaghs ability to sort stuff out.
Made for a disjointed performance, coupled with missing the chances we did create made for a poor showing against one of the poorest teams I've seen for a long time.
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Crowther didnt want the ball in the first half and quite rightly so in my opinion. The ground was hard, the ball bobbling and it was not easy to turn on the worst part of the pitch. No point pinging the ball to him, when he cant change direction and expect the ball to bounce funny. I sometimes think people have a go at players without thinking. Second half however he was poor.
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When he turned his back on one challenge in front of the Main Stand during the first half, it should have been Sinnott's cue to withdraw him instantly.
Sinnott has a cue? I think I know where to stick it. Appalling team selection, formation and substitutions. The man continues to be infuriating.
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Crowther didnt want the ball in the first half and quite rightly so in my opinion. The ground was hard, the ball bobbling and it was not easy to turn on the worst part of the pitch. No point pinging the ball to him, when he cant change direction and expect the ball to bounce funny. I sometimes think people have a go at players without thinking. Second half however he was poor.
He showed a lack of commitment that's unacceptable
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Crowther didnt want the ball in the first half and quite rightly so in my opinion. The ground was hard, the ball bobbling and it was not easy to turn on the worst part of the pitch. No point pinging the ball to him, when he cant change direction and expect the ball to bounce funny. I sometimes think people have a go at players without thinking. Second half however he was poor.
Your tendency to excuse the inexcusable hits new heights with that one. Nicky Clee managed to run through that area without a problem. Crowther was utterly craven today. Unless he was carrying a knock or unwell, then his display was unacceptable. If he was injured or unwell, then he shouldn;t have been playing.
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Crowther didnt want the ball in the first half and quite rightly so in my opinion. The ground was hard, the ball bobbling and it was not easy to turn on the worst part of the pitch. No point pinging the ball to him, when he cant change direction and expect the ball to bounce funny. I sometimes think people have a go at players without thinking. Second half however he was poor.
Rubbish, he was just as dross in the second half.
The second half performance was utterly wank, at least we had a little bit of drive in the first. As usual with Alty, one step forward and two back.
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Sinnot had a go at Crowther after about 15mins.
Not sure what he said but Crowthers response was "its like concrete down here"
Sinnot should have subbed him immediately or at the very least got him over to the right and brought Clee over to the left.
Without Cav or Richman to put it about a bit we are a soft touch. Pity both were missing today.
It didn't help that our centre forward chose today to spurn at least four gilt edge chances.
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Crowther didnt want the ball in the first half and quite rightly so in my opinion. The ground was hard, the ball bobbling and it was not easy to turn on the worst part of the pitch. No point pinging the ball to him, when he cant change direction and expect the ball to bounce funny. I sometimes think people have a go at players without thinking. Second half however he was poor.
hey? Oh dear! I was brought up, no matter the conditions you put on a shirt, want the ball and put yourself about. Sorry mate but worst comment I've ever seen on here! Clee got in near enough straight away committed a defender and slipped into Jimmy. His attitude stunk, he was sulking like a school kid. At least give things a go!
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As others have said, without Cav and Simon we lacked any midfield aggression and a poor Nuneaton bossed us in the middle of the park. However, we lost the game because their keeper had a cracking game and Reevesy missed a sitter he would normally have put away in his sleep.
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Badly missed Richmans energy, Dens right wing attacking threat and Cavanaghs ability to sort stuff out.
Made for a disjointed performance, coupled with missing the chances we did create made for a poor showing against one of the poorest teams I've seen for a long time.
Exactly what I said to a couple of people at full time; how much did we miss a number of key players today: Dens, Cavanagh and Richman? Even with the players we had out, we should be putting a team like Nuneaton away. I do not think I have seen a worse team play at Moss Lane this season.
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What did Gillespie bring to the game when he came on ? Very little in my opinion, which probably sums up his season so far...........he has become another Michael Twiss and I expect we are unable to offload him and his wages to allow others to be brought in before May
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Just a point to you guys who think my comments is crap, even though i stand by it. If the ground is poor and the players struggling to move it, play it on the other side of the pitch, that is all i am saying. Maybe Clee had different studs on perhaps or perhaps everything in the supporters eyes is simple maybe. I didnt know about the comment saying the ground was rock hard, but i believe that gives my comments some credit.
Or perhaps still i talk sh*te all the time and know nothing.
Anyway whatever.
Happy Xmas.
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As others have said, without Cav and Simon we lacked any midfield aggression and a poor Nuneaton bossed us in the middle of the park. However, we lost the game because their keeper had a cracking game and Reevesy missed a sitter he would normally have put away in his sleep.
Brian, I'm not sure which sitter you're referring to (the later one I presume) but Reevesy does not put those away in his sleep. I didn't think he'd score as he misses more one on ones than he puts away.
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What did Gillespie bring to the game when he came on ? Very little in my opinion, which probably sums up his season so far...........he has become another Michael Twiss and I expect we are unable to offload him and his wages to allow others to be brought in before May
To be fair I thought Gillespie was brought on too late, when the whole team had pretty much given up. He hasn't been given the opportunities that Twiss had but only Lee knows why. Not a criticism of Sinnott more sticking up for Gillespie.
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Thought we were a little insipid, but nothing that awful.
Reeves had three very good chances; the one on one in the first half (Clee then missed a great chance off the rebound), the header and the one on one near the end. When you add in Lawrie's header I make that four/five chances that were disappointing to miss.
If we'd scored one of those at 0-0 Nuneaton would have gone to sh*t. Unfortunately we didn't. These things happen, Reeves has off days.
The only odd thing is that we seem to have a weird problem about winning when we're favourites. We've probably only won one game when favourites this season which is just bloody odd.
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Today shows how important Richman & Cavanagh are to our midfield; Densmore's energy and crossing ability was also missed. My understanding is that Richman & Densmore were absent thru illness & Cavanagh thru a knee problem. In the absence of those three we were woeful in midfield in terms of winning the ball - Williams was the only player in that department with any pretensions as a ball-winner & even those are dubious. Lawrie & Crowther were their usual selves - Crowther all the more so; Reeves had a bad day at the office (when you give him time it usually presents a problem whereas when he acts on instinct it usually works). Sadly, today reminded me of both our visits to Nuneaton - we played down to their level - except that we didn't really rally in the closing stages. Perhaps when people review today's performance & result they will understand why my expectations for the season were (and are) conservative?
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Even after today I can't understand your low expectations mike but like me you have seen us struggle at this level before
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We did OK in the first half and had the chances to go in at half time well in front. We didn't take them (and their keeper fully deserved their MOM award) and obviously at HT Nuneaton are thinking we're still in this, came out and improved (a bit) on their first half efforts and nicked a goal. We huffed and puffed but quality was a bit lacking today. Yes it's frustrating that we can't do better against lower teams but today we missed a few key players and still created by far the better chances. OK we didn't put them away but possibly one of those days and their keeper did deserve MOM. Let's not be too despondent, looking forward to a better performance on NYD.
Addendum: People often bitch about refs but it did seem that 6 mins added time was a bit generous, although even then we didn't score.
By the way the Vergers ringpiece has now fully cleared up bringing comfort all round. Unfortunately his wife's Mary became "inflamed over Christmas" and taken on a hue of beetroot, hopefully the same antibtiotics will work wonders as for the poor (now recovering) Verger. Merry Christmas and happy new year!
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Not a lot Sinnott could do with 3 big players missing. but putting Clee on the right to accommodate Crowther no way.
We wernt much worse than we were at Chester.
As for Crowther, utter waste of space and wouldn't win a 70-30 challenge
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Found it just as strange when crowther came off clee still didn't go to the left
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What did Gillespie bring to the game when he came on ? Very little in my opinion, which probably sums up his season so far...........he has become another Michael Twiss and I expect we are unable to offload him and his wages to allow others to be brought in before May
To be fair I thought Gillespie was brought on too late, when the whole team had pretty much given up. He hasn't been given the opportunities that Twiss had but only Lee knows why. Not a criticism of Sinnott more sticking up for Gillespie.
Ok, my frustrations after today's game are getting the better of me here. It is probably unfair of me to single out just one player today and a late(ish) substitute at that.
I still think though that the squad needs a shake up - I am sure most of the teams below us will strengthen in the new year. I suspect that Alfreton will do enough to stay up.
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I think we will stay up however it would help to have a better forward and a bit of life on the right the forward even if we play 1 upfront you need someone better on bench than Gillespie and perry in general squad not to bad
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I think we would have actually won the match but for their keeper. But that does nothing to dilute my view that, yet again, we have lost to a desperately poor team. They were crap when they beat us at their place, and if anything they've deteriorated since then.
Perhaps the whole squad, including Sinnott and Tolson, should be analysed by a psychiatrist to find out what on earth goes wrong on days like this. To lose to one of your relegation rivals at home is bad enough. We've now lost to three of them, and have dropped 14 points out of 15 to the current bottom three clubs. Telford will be confident of taking three points when they come here on that basis alone.
It is fortunate that the bottom four are as poor as they are.....I think it would take a disaster of mammoth proportions for us to be relegated. But I'm desperately unhappy tonight.
I would definitely dispose of Crowther and Gillespie at the earliest opportunity, but then where do we find any better replacements ?
Full marks to today's ref however, who spoke to the Nuneaton bench near the end I suspect about the time wasting. I said to Hash and Bury Alty that I would add 6 minutes, and the ref obliged.
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Found it just as strange when crowther came off clee still didn't go to the left
clee wasn't even though on the right he was in the centre circle
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That Is a fair point but it doesn't make it all right as terry hall once said
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How many times do we have to lose to the sh*t in this league before we'll learn? Beating big boys all well and good but means nothing if we don't win the winnable games-
Alfreton 1 point from 6
Beat by Telford
Nuneaton 0 from 6
Hammered by Welling
Loss vs Southport
(And Blyth)
We could be in play offs if we had won under half of the points lost in those games, it's like the players (and us) know they are going to slip up against the teams around us "teams always end bad runs against us" "we always lose when we are favourites" like it's an excuse.
Were not going to consistently beat the big teams, we need to sort out this "superiority complex" of not being able to get up for the smaller games. Striker and winger needed, Gillespie and Wilko not up to it. Contrast that with points taken off Grimsby, Kiddy, Macc, Halifax Wrexham and Lincoln and that's the frustrating part.
Badly missed Richman, Dens and Cav today, especially Dens on that right side.
On the bright side, we'd have to seriously fudge it up to go down now, just need to iron out some issues and we'll be a decent side. And bring in some support for Reeves, who himself is somewhat hot and cold! We were excellent at Chester, same again on NYD
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It's happened far too often now to be coincidence and also I'm not sure that it's simply a psychological thing either. I just don't think we are good enough to take the game to an opposition who lack quality and set out to defend. We don't seem to have any issues at all playing against pretty passing sides. It seems to be a case of 'bring it on and we'll pick you off at leisure' against those sorts of sides, but when we actually have to work for it, we just can't!!! I'm pretty sure this will continue, starting with Chester on Thursday. In fact, thinking about it, there's a fortune to be had at the bookies predicting Alty results - Barnet, home win, Telford, away win...
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First time I've seen us in a couple of month and apart from the scoreline, I thought there was a lot to take from the game. Our attitude and style of play was very encouraging, and on another day Reeves would have taken his chances or Marshall would have been onside and we could have won by a some margin. It's disappointing not to get points from teams in the relegation zone but over the season I think it averages out.
Can't say Crowther or Gillespie impressed today or in the handful of games I've seen this season. I'd be tempted to bin them both off in favour of an out-and-out old fashioned number 9 to play upfront with Reevesy. It's a shame we couldn't keep James Walshaw as we'd midtable with him in the team.
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How many times do we have to lose to the sh*t in this league before we'll learn? Beating big boys all well and good but means nothing if we don't win the winnable games-
Alfreton 1 point from 6
Beat by Telford
Nuneaton 0 from 6
Hammered by Welling
Loss vs Southport
(And Blyth)
We could be in play offs if we had won under half of the points lost in those games, it's like the players (and us) know they are going to slip up against the teams around us "teams always end bad runs against us" "we always lose when we are favourites" like it's an excuse.
Were not going to consistently beat the big teams, we need to sort out this "superiority complex" of not being able to get up for the smaller games. Striker and winger needed, Gillespie and Wilko not up to it. Contrast that with points taken off Grimsby, Kiddy, Macc, Halifax Wrexham and Lincoln and that's the frustrating part.
Badly missed Richman, Dens and Cav today, especially Dens on that right side.
On the bright side, we'd have to seriously fudge it up to go down now, just need to iron out some issues and we'll be a decent side. And bring in some support for Reeves, who himself is somewhat hot and cold! We were excellent at Chester, same again on NYD
I don't often post to say I agree with people, in fact it annoys me when people put 'This' as a post and clog the threads up a bit, but I think all the point made here are excellent.
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How many times do we have to lose to the sh*t in this league before we'll learn? Beating big boys all well and good but means nothing if we don't win the winnable games-
Alfreton 1 point from 6
Beat by Telford
Nuneaton 0 from 6
Hammered by Welling
Loss vs Southport
(And Blyth)
We could be in play offs if we had won under half of the points lost in those games, it's like the players (and us) know they are going to slip up against the teams around us "teams always end bad runs against us" "we always lose when we are favourites" like it's an excuse.
Were not going to consistently beat the big teams, we need to sort out this "superiority complex" of not being able to get up for the smaller games. Striker and winger needed, Gillespie and Wilko not up to it. Contrast that with points taken off Grimsby, Kiddy, Macc, Halifax Wrexham and Lincoln and that's the frustrating part.
Badly missed Richman, Dens and Cav today, especially Dens on that right side.
On the bright side, we'd have to seriously fudge it up to go down now, just need to iron out some issues and we'll be a decent side. And bring in some support for Reeves, who himself is somewhat hot and cold! We were excellent at Chester, same again on NYD
I don't often post to say I agree with people, in fact it annoys me when people put 'This' as a post and clog the threads up a bit, but I think all the point made here are excellent.
This.
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Congratulations. I was wondering which basic T**t would do the obvious.
Dear me.
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Congratulations. I was wondering which basic T**t would do the obvious.
Dear me.
Don't make a point that I agree with then. You've done exactly what you hate with your post anyway, just clogging up a thread with a long-winded version of "this".
Dear me.
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This forum. Completely clogged up. It is a wonder the internet has not crashed.
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This forum. Completely clogged up. It is a wonder the internet has not crashed.
Sinnott doesn't rotate the posts enough.
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Congratulations. I was wondering which basic T**t would do the obvious.
Dear me.
Don't make a point that I agree with then. You've done exactly what you hate with your post anyway, just clogging up a thread with a long-winded version of "this".
Dear me.
We'll just have to agree to agree then in this case.
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Congratulations. I was wondering which basic T**t would do the obvious.
Dear me.
Don't make a point that I agree with then. You've done exactly what you hate with your post anyway, just clogging up a thread with a long-winded version of "this".
Dear me.
We'll just have to agree to agree then in this case.
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"This" is the new Goodwin ;D
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"This" is the new Goodwin ;D
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"This" is the new Goodwin ;D
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