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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Setanta Santa on December 06, 2008, 10:11:37 AM
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Given the response to the red card at the Rushden game I'd expected the challenge in question to be no more that a "slight nick" - but watching it on Setanta / Youtube it looks far less clear cut that the ref got it badly wrong.
I'd agree that some refs would only have given a yellow, but it really wasn't so bad a decision that the players and fans should take their mind off winning the match for the remainder of the game - and thus ensure the match was lost.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t9v2GMNHPeU (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t9v2GMNHPeU)
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clearly a yellow, if his foot had been raised I would agree with you but it as scrapping the pitch
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At least a yellow, there player would have got a gold medal for that in the summer.
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Aside from that it does appear that we are not making a number of 'second phase' balls, which it looks like we were punished for.
With regards to the sending off, does certainly look very harsh, and did anyone see their 4th goal? ???
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Just one of countless decisions that the referee got wrong last Saturday though.
Typified by his complete lack of awareness of one of his assistant referees during the second half.
Ross Joyce had a nightmare.
He should know it (but probably thinks he gave an exemplary display).
The spectators certainly knew it.
And I suspect that the refereeing assessors, who were sitting not far from me in the main stand, knew it, too.
However, I do concur that we did tend to lapse into self-pity during the second half and rather gave up the ghost.
The third and fourth goals were defensive calamities.
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It's as I thought at the time. Densmore was shaping to play the ball. Johnson has played it into space for him, ok a little underhit, and as Shaun shaped to play the Rushden player taps the ball. Densmore is already committed and clips him. Ref only gets one look whereas i've watched it five or six times. I don't know the rule book inside out but should it even have been a booking? Is the anything unsportsmanlike in try to play a ball that was intended for you only to find someone else got there first?
On the other hand I challenge anyone though to try watching the clip and watching both players at the same time. If you saw a player slide in and another one go flying over his boot, and you were a touch trigger happy, you might just go for your red card.
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It looks a worse tackle than it did at the time and is indeed definately, rathetr than probably as I thought, a yellow card.
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Couldn't make Rushden (will be there for the Barrow defeat) but looking at the looks like Ralph didn't have the mot commanding of games.
Get Stuart back in for me, especially if todays defeat is a heavy one.
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Couldn't make Rushden (will be there for the Barrow defeat) but looking at the looks like Ralph didn't have the mot commanding of games.
Get Stuart back in for me, especially if todays defeat is a heavy one.
Hmmm...
Possibly a little unfair on Ralph, I feel.
Some referees may well have given a free kick for the aerial challenge that led to the first goal and his defence rather went AWOL for the third goal from the corner.
Then everybody simply stood back and watched Burgess weave his way through and plant a shot in the net for the fourth.
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Couldn't make Rushden (will be there for the Barrow defeat) but looking at the goals look like Ralph didn't have the most commanding of games.
Get Stuart back in for me, especially if todays defeat is a heavy one.
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It looks a worse tackle than it did at the time and is indeed definately, rathetr than probably as I thought, a yellow card.
I agree with this completley
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It looks a worse tackle than it did at the time and is indeed definately, rathetr than probably as I thought, a yellow card.
I agree with this completley
I disagree. I don't think it was even a yellow. I think it was made worse by the dramatic fall by the Rushden. I admit that Ralph doesn't appear to have been fouled on the first goal.
That's the trouble with us refs we are just not consistant with our decisions.
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It's as I thought at the time. Densmore was shaping to play the ball. Johnson has played it into space for him, ok a little underhit, and as Shaun shaped to play the Rushden player taps the ball. Densmore is already committed and clips him. Ref only gets one look whereas i've watched it five or six times. I don't know the rule book inside out but should it even have been a booking? Is the anything unsportsmanlike in try to play a ball that was intended for you only to find someone else got there first?
On the other hand I challenge anyone though to try watching the clip and watching both players at the same time. If you saw a player slide in and another one go flying over his boot, and you were a touch trigger happy, you might just go for your red card.
Ian, in the opinion of the Referee
If a challenge is reckless then a Yellow Card is appropriate.
If a challenge is "likely to endanger the safety of an opponent" a Red Card is appropriate
The issue of "sportsmanlike" should no longer form any part of the decision process
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Did any one watch MOTD and see the yellow in the Arsenal v wigan game? A 2 footed lunge from behind.... yellow card... as said before there has never been consistancy.
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Where something is (quite correctly in my view) down to the opinion of the Referee it is unlikely that you will get 100% consistency.
As has become fairly evident from discussion of this incident different Alty fans have different views of Shauns challenge so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that different Referees may see any individual incident in differing ways.
I saw the challenge for the first time on the Setanta round up linked to at the top of this thread and, whilst not saying that the Red card was irrefutably the correct outcome I can see why he may have come to the decision that he did.
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It looks a worse tackle than it did at the time and is indeed definately, rathetr than probably as I thought, a yellow card.
I agree with this completley
No more then a yellow really. The fog looked a lot worse on camera too