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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on September 03, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
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I don't single people out but jones is an absolute liability. I'd give him the benefit if the doubt until now but he is pedestrian and so unsteady
And Vics were right about summerskill. He is also a liability when he comes on
They were total sh*t and should have been buried at half time.
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I dread to think what Summerskill's time on pitch to goals conceded is.
Totally agree about them both. Flynn should be okay for Sat.
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Ecky,
I was going to remark on how you were not one to mince your words....but then I feared that this thread could be taking on an inadvertently homophobic tone...!
Alas, Jones looks increasingly like the new Darren Tinson.
Summerskill would only be OK if we were forming a boy band at Moss Lane.
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If he ever comes on with 10 minutes to go when we need to keep a lead again, I swear to Christ I'll murder suicide him
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There must be an Eddie Hussin or Val Owen type player out there somewhere.
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There must be an Eddie Hussin or Val Owen type player out there somewhere.
steve connors, injury prone yes , all action yes
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From watching all the friendlies,I thought that Jones was a good signing but he was poor at Hyde and was at fault in some part with both the Guiseley goals that we conceded.I have always told myself to take no notice of friendley results,whether winning or losing but I think with this seasons we have allowed ourselves to be somewhat misled and that would include the manager as well.I think after today's performance that wholesale changes in defence,midfield and upfront may be the order of the day.I have missed two matches this season so far,both being 1-1 draws and from what I can see,probably our worst two performances.
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I don.t remember a game worse than that. Two dreadful teams. Jones not the only poor defender unfortunately. based purely on that I fear for us.
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I don't single people out but jones is an absolute liability. I'd give him the benefit if the doubt until now but he is pedestrian and so unsteady
And Vics were right about summerskill. He is also a liability when he comes on
They were total sh*t and should have been buried at half time.
This worries me. More than the usual suspects moaning today. Heard that another lad who I've never heard moan described it as wank.
Changes please.
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I don't single people out but jones is an absolute liability. I'd give him the benefit if the doubt until now but he is pedestrian and so unsteady
And Vics were right about summerskill. He is also a liability when he comes on
They were total sh*t and should have been buried at half time.
I missed my first game of the season today but i have to totally agree with the above on the six matches i've seen.
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I like to think Im one of the more optimistic posters on here but today I thought we were basically rubbish in defence and lacked passion.
I think one of the problems is, with such a small squad which includes youth team lads, the senior members are of the mindset that they will get picked regardless, due to the lack of choices for Lee to change things.
Worrying times....
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Jones is indeed another Tinson.
Summerskill, on the other hand, is a tidy little player - but isn't the right man to replace anybody else we have in the team. He's come on four times, and we've effectively dropped five points while he's been on the pitch. He'd be an asset in a midfield where the ball is being moved around quickly, he has a good engine, and decent positional sense - but not enough physical presence alas.
In his defence, at Vauxhall he put a cracking ball on the money in stoppage time which Twiss loused up, and which would have won us the game...............
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Jones is so much like Tinson it's frightening, if he has to turn round he's had it. Robbie Lawton , God love him, is no more a right back than I am. We always look like conceding however bad the opposition
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Gloucester were worse than us and the game was of an awful standard. I know many others that were at the match will disagree with me but I thought we reasonable in the first half. Firstly we had to overcome at least half a dozen tackles from behind that went unpunished including a bad foul that cost us a player in the opening minutes. We should be use to having to accept incompetant and inconsistant officials, but the shocking standard of the actual football played was down to the players. I also thought Twiss was very good today and would only fault the service he got from others, but when he got the ball he did well. Gloucester were never in it and were no threat but we handed them a point. I was very upset with the manner we threw away 2 points in a game we should and could have taken by the scuff of the neck and won by 4 or 5.
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Gloucester were worse than us and the game was of an awful standard. I know many others that were at the match will disagree with me but I thought we reasonable in the first half. Firstly we had to overcome at least half a dozen tackles from behind that went unpunished including a bad foul that cost us a player in the opening minutes. We should be use to having to accept incompetant and inconsistant officials, but the shocking standard of the actual football played was down to the players. I also thought Twiss was very good today and would only fault the service he got from others, but when he got the ball he did well. Gloucester were never in it and were no threat but we handed them a point. I was very upset with the manner we threw away 2 points in a game we should and could have taken by the scuff of the neck and won by 4 or 5.
Now I have calmed down (could you tell I was cross before, not sure if it came across) a bit I totally agree with all this. We should have buried them first half.
As the home side they were always going to attack us second half and injuries from bad tackles forced our hand subs wise.
I didnt think they were going to score but I suppose they will feel they deserved a point for keeping going to the death. We played some good stuff in patches but it was the worst game to watch from both teams today.
We need to make the changes discussed on here and get six points from the next two games. Then we will have some momentum and things will look different.
It needs changes now though....Jones for Flynn being the blindingly obvious one.
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we got out of this league being a physical team,we had strong tough centre backs an centre mids who won every header and every second ball who were 6ft and over.
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having defended the manager and made the point that in the friendlies everything seemed to be going swimmingly, folk saying robbie a good choice for right back, Jones a quality signing etc it's all gone tits up......yesterday being typical..... a 5 mins injury time equaliser when the ball should have been cleared over the stand, it bounces invitingly for a cross, ball pings to unmarked player...mixture of bad defending and bad luck meaning we draw a match we should have won..........but now the manager has to show his skill and metal and get us from this routine and on a run that makes up the 6 point deficit from the play offs....another 7 games like this and we're 12 poiints away so Lee does indeed have to change the rot.....NOW....sort the defence and install a mentality that we should be looking at going in at half time 3-0 up and then looking strong in the second half adding a 4th....
still say we are not far away and with small tweaks we should actually be winning games comfortably...we are not saying we can't see where the next goal is coming from like we have in recent seasons....we are saying we can't see where the next clean sheet is coming from....and when we are ahead we need to attack and get another not sit back and try and defend..we've done that for years with predicatble results as well......
So I'm keeping faith with Lee who I still think did an excellent job pre season....now he needs to tweak it....but this ridiculous run of bad defending and not holding onto leads and not going onto win 4-0 etc has to stop......NOW please
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I don't think people are giving credit to glouceter. They've done their homework...
They knew clee is dangerous, so like everyone else had him surrounded at times. This didn't happen last season/pre season because the defender/ midfielder marking him was of a higher standard therefore felt he could deal with him.
They knew Jones is lacking confidence, every free kick/goal kick was put up for the forwards to win a flick on, and they did. For those who went they isolated him quite a bit, you'll have noticed when it was a last match situation, it was usually him being ran at!
They knew if they put us under pressure they would score!
those who moan the defence, must realise if you pump the ball back to them you must either, have players up to keep the ball, or get our with the ball!
Stu with probably the best save I've seen from him, top draw... Without him they would have probably scored 2 more A little mention to Lawton from that superb tackle and block.
Having said this we should have won. We should look at the Grimsby/darlo games, in how when we cleared it, it stuck with Johnson and he bought us breathing space
It's simply a confidence issue... Hyde and others have confidence and top spirit, which is why they Won last minute - I think we don't have confidence, but we do have a team spirit, and once the confidence is back we'll begin to climb the league
Team needs to be(for sat) * if fit
Coburn
Lynch Flynn. lees. brown
Richman* Lawton Densmore. Clee
Twiss. lawrie
Bench: Reeves (HT sub) mullholand ollrenshaw Danlyk jones
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It was the first game of the season for me yesterday and I have to say the overwhelming impression was that the standard of football was truely shockingly bad.
We were clearly the better team and passed it much better than them (with one exception!), however we were no more effective than them. Our passing football when it came created only one or two more chances than their lumping it forward and beating Jones. Our lumping it forwards was rubbish, and when it did work Reeves made a mess of a one on one with Al Murray's slightly fatter brother.
I thought Robbie did OK at RB, they didn't create much down his side. Lees looked our best defender and I'd play him with Flynn. I still don't trust Brown at LB and I'd be looking to replace him rather than Robbie in the back 4. Lynch did well in midfield, he harried and also tried to get forward - OK he didn't have the composure in the box when he got there but movement was good. I'm torn between keeping him there where he played well and dropping him back to shore up the defence.
I was really dissappointed with Clee who seemed to create more panic and concern against BSP defenders last year than he did yesterday. I don't think he was any more heavily marked than BSP away games I saw but he just didn't seem to be at it at all yesterday. I thought he'd create at least a goal a game for us in this league.
I thought Twiss did OK, Damien not so much. We just didn't create enough and the forwards need to take their share of responsibility for that, they aren't just their to put the finishing touch on everyone else's work. I though the new lad looked decent when he came on. I'd start Twiss and Lawrie from what I saw yesterday.
I should be at Solihull where hopefully we will hold on to a bl00dy lead!
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I don't think people are giving credit to glouceter. They've done their homework...
They knew clee is dangerous, so like everyone else had him surrounded at times. This didn't happen last season/pre season because the defender/ midfielder marking him was of a higher standard therefore felt he could deal with him.
They knew Jones is lacking confidence, every free kick/goal kick was put up for the forwards to win a flick on, and they did. For those who went they isolated him quite a bit, you'll have noticed when it was a last match situation, it was usually him being ran at!
They knew if they put us under pressure they would score!
those who moan the defence, must realise if you pump the ball back to them you must either, have players up to keep the ball, or get our with the ball!
Stu with probably the best save I've seen from him, top draw... Without him they would have probably scored 2 more A little mention to Lawton from that superb tackle and block.
Having said this we should have won. We should look at the Grimsby/darlo games, in how when we cleared it, it stuck with Johnson and he bought us breathing space
It's simply a confidence issue... Hyde and others have confidence and top spirit, which is why they Won last minute - I think we don't have confidence, but we do have a team spirit, and once the confidence is back we'll begin to climb the league
Team needs to be(for sat) * if fit
Coburn
Lynch Flynn. lees. brown
Richman* Lawton Densmore. Clee
Twiss. lawrie
Bench: Reeves (HT sub) mullholand ollrenshaw Danlyk jones
Completely agree. (for once)
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Ive held my tongue on Jones so far but im afraid he's looked dodgy in pretty much every game, he dives in and hasnt then got the pace to deal with it once he gets turned.
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I don't think people are giving credit to glouceter. They've done their homework...
They knew clee is dangerous, so like everyone else had him surrounded at times. This didn't happen last season/pre season because the defender/ midfielder marking him was of a higher standard therefore felt he could deal with him.
They knew Jones is lacking confidence, every free kick/goal kick was put up for the forwards to win a flick on, and they did. For those who went they isolated him quite a bit, you'll have noticed when it was a last match situation, it was usually him being ran at!
They knew if they put us under pressure they would score!
those who moan the defence, must realise if you pump the ball back to them you must either, have players up to keep the ball, or get our with the ball!
Stu with probably the best save I've seen from him, top draw... Without him they would have probably scored 2 more A little mention to Lawton from that superb tackle and block.
Having said this we should have won. We should look at the Grimsby/darlo games, in how when we cleared it, it stuck with Johnson and he bought us breathing space
It's simply a confidence issue... Hyde and others have confidence and top spirit, which is why they Won last minute - I think we don't have confidence, but we do have a team spirit, and once the confidence is back we'll begin to climb the league
Team needs to be(for sat) * if fit
Coburn
Lynch Flynn. lees. brown
Richman* Lawton Densmore. Clee
Twiss. lawrie
Bench: Reeves (HT sub) mullholand ollrenshaw Danlyk jones
Completely agree. (for once)
agree mostly, I can't see him dropping Reeves as he's our only player caperble and on course of getting near 20 goals this season
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Domeman.... I think he needs a rest, and He picked up a slight knock on sat " @adamflynn84 i think i need some body parts from a second hand shop! - Just get my right hammy right then fckin tweak my left!!! ARRRRRGGGGGGH"
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Domeman.... I think he needs a rest, and He picked up a slight knock on sat " @adamflynn84 i think i need some body parts from a second hand shop! - Just get my right hammy right then fckin tweak my left!!! ARRRRRGGGGGGH"
lol well if he's picked up a knock then fair enough, however I'd still start him even if he only had 45 in him, quality like reeves can demolish sollihull, even he said he's not playing well but still are top scorer on 4 goals not a bad start for him
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Ecky,
I was going to remark on how you were not one to mince your words....but then I feared that this thread could be taking on an inadvertently homophobic tone...!
Alas, Jones looks increasingly like the new Darren Tinson.
Summerskill would only be OK if we were forming a boy band at Moss Lane. ;D
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I don't single people out but jones is an absolute liability. I'd give him the benefit if the doubt until now but he is pedestrian and so unsteady
And Vics were right about summerskill. He is also a liability when he comes on
They were total sh*t and should have been buried at half time.
Mark,
One gone and one to go ;) ;)