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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: dino on November 27, 2007, 10:32:10 PM
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team performance 8/10. proved that they are capable of competing at this level
management performance 2/10. poor team selection on left side,negative tactics after first goal
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Why the left side?
Scotty has done ok there in other games!!
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Why the left side?
Scotty has done ok there in other games!!
Agreed. It was the best possible selection with the players. We needed support for Scotty on the left by playing the more defensive Peyton instead of Logan. Thier right winger, Dobson, was the difference between the 2 sides.
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team performance 8/10. proved that they are capable of competing at this level
management performance 2/10. poor team selection on left side,negative tactics after first goal
Do you think the management said "sit back and hit it long" after the first goal or thought we could keep them out for 76 minutes...seriously?
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Perhaps playing Peyton at left back (with more pace) could cope better with the likes
of Dobson.
Then maybe give the oppo more things to worry about with a fast supporting Peyton behind the trickery
of Logan.
who knows ?
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Don't think that playing anyone who isn't a natural left back at left back would have made any difference.
Scotty tried but, as has been said earlier, the passer of the ball had far too much time and space to hit the ball(s) which did for us (twice!!!!)
We have to remember that they are full time and have hours to practice clipping balls over full backs.
despite what has been said I still think that, given the starting positions Scotty had a sod of a job to cut out either ball and that we were a touch unfortunate with both goals....but ain't that just our season????????????????
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Don't think that playing anyone who isn't a natural left back at left back would have made any difference.
Scotty tried but, as has been said earlier, the passer of the ball had far too much time and space to hit the ball(s) which did for us (twice!!!!)
We have to remember that they are full time and have hours to practice clipping balls over full backs.
despite what has been said I still think that, given the starting positions Scotty had a sod of a job to cut out either ball and that we were a touch unfortunate with both goals....but ain't that just our season????????????????
Dare I suggest that you wouldn't have been quite so forgiving if those errors had been perpetrated by Darren Tinson?!
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peyton is the most efficient left back in the club...at the moment he self selects. scotty was extremely shakey at farsley and should not play LB. He epitomises everything good at the club,but should play Rside.
It is crass judgement not to play logan from the start....he is our most direct and probing player. His fitness and speed are already eroding due to 20mins action/week.
When we scored ,heathcote reverted to type...4.6.0. and handed the initiative back to stevenage,as we cant defend for 60 mins,and alas 3 points were tossed away against a very average side.Well done the 50 travellers,you deserve more...i am going to torquay,but i know what to expect...4.5.1 at best
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"When we scored ,heathcote reverted to type...4.6.0. and handed the initiative back to stevenage,as we cant defend for 60 mins,and alas 3 points were tossed away against a very average side"
So that confirms it then, you believe that the manager actually asked the players to sit back after 14 mins and hang on for a 1-0 win for 76 mins.
Jesus wept........
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What else would you want at Torquay, 4-3-3 ?????
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GH actually said during his half time interview that after the goal we reverted to long balls and lost the pattern of play and sat back and they should not have done that - not verbatim by the way.
So there is evidence he did not want us to sit back, he wanted us to continue playing the way we were.
Tactics were spot on.
I do feel that Warren should now slot in at left back as he was excellent there last year. However we also know he doesnt want to play left back and GH may have had to say to Warren that he wont be picked at left back as he was unhappy last year but agreed to help us out, as indeed scotty is doing this year.
The problem with Warren at left back is who goes left wing. Logan i here you shout, but lets be honest he cant do a 90 minute job and who else will be able to cover that slot now that senior picks himself upfront and Rod has gone?
A difficult situation for the club and not one I would like to resolve, a new signing is the obvious situation but this proved difficult at the start of the season when we tried Coo and Clancy, both of which didnt work out.
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I don't want to slag anyone off here, but with regard to the above point about Logan, barring one good run I thought he was fairly ineffective when he came on at Stevenage.
I think Scotty has done his best since being brought into the side but I would have replaced him about 5 minutes before their second goal as he looked knackered. Whether that would have prevented the goal or not is something we can debate all day long. However, to suggest that the management instructed the team to revert to long balls from deep following our goal is so demented I can't even begin to tell you.
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I find it hard to believe that Peyton would demand not to play left-back. He strikes me as the sort of player who would do it for the team, I'd be a little disappointed if this was true.
Maybe it would be prudent to try Logan and Peyton on the left (if they are willing to play ::)) and have Scott and Whalley on the bench if things need to be changed round for whatever reason.
Its clearly not enough to just bringing Logan on for 20 minutes, class act or not. Maybe we could see if he can be effective for the 1st 55 or 60 help us et 2 goals and then we bring Scott and Whalley on and concentrate attacks down the middle. We could at least try it at home.
I wouldn't slate GH for Alty's changing tactics after goals scored or conceded. The point has already been covered this season that our players revert to long ball boredom against managers wishes. I cant imagine GH ever telling players to just play long ball, he isn't a fu#*ing moron!
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I am quite sure that the players didn't sit back because GH told them too. I think it's more a matter of confidence at the minute, or should I say lack of it. Even GH said, the team are actually pretty good and should start believing it. Probably what went through the lads minds at 1 up was, "Hey, how can we be winning here? This aint right!" Anyway, that's just my opinion.
On another matter. Warren needs to play at left back I'm afraid, at least until Scotty is fit. How about starting with Whalley on the left, class act who unfortunately seems as capable of lasting 90 as Carlos. Then, bring Carlos on in the second half if things need shaking up a bit. All a bit Championship Manager I know, but surely makes sense given what we've all seen recently.
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All a bit Championship Manager I know, but surely makes sense given what we've all seen recently.
Completely agree. I love champ manager, but over the years it has given me a false sense of managerial ability. It has however, given me expert knowledge of bizarre European footballers.
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Don't think that playing anyone who isn't a natural left back at left back would have made any difference.
Scotty tried but, as has been said earlier, the passer of the ball had far too much time and space to hit the ball(s) which did for us (twice!!!!)
We have to remember that they are full time and have hours to practice clipping balls over full backs.
despite what has been said I still think that, given the starting positions Scotty had a sod of a job to cut out either ball and that we were a touch unfortunate with both goals....but ain't that just our season????????????????
Dare I suggest that you wouldn't have been quite so forgiving if those errors had been perpetrated by Darren Tinson?!
Mr Cult,
You will note that at no time have I referred to the failure of Mr Tinson to successfully block the initial cross which led to the first goal.
I thank you
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ATS,
Can I just point out that Tinno, is indeed, absolutely class.
That is all.
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Mr Cult,
You will note that at no time have I referred to the failure of Mr Tinson to successfully block the initial cross which led to the first goal.
I thank you
ATS,
A split infinitive in your posting.....hang your head in shame!
What would Andy Black have said?
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Who has given me 20 peakes today?
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Who has just given me 10 goodwins??
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ATS,
Can I just point out that Tinno, is indeed, absolutely class.
That is all.
Mr Ballers,
I believe the function of this forum to be to allow individuals to express their own personal opinion. You are entitled to yours which you have clearly and succinctly expressed.
Mine however differs somewhat. Yes the gent to whom you refer has been a player of some quality and is currently playing well for us. I just believe that there may be more 'holes in his armour' than would appear to be the case on initial viewing and superficial inspection.
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ATS,
Can I just point out that Tinno, is indeed, absolutely class.
That is all.
Mr Ballers,
I believe the function of this forum to be to allow individuals to express their own personal opinion. You are entitled to yours which you have clearly and succinctly expressed.
Mine however differs somewhat. Yes the gent to whom you refer has been a player of some quality and is currently playing well for us. I just believe that there may be more 'holes in his armour' than would appear to be the case on initial viewing and superficial inspection.
Jesus man, you're just constantly on the back foot. We know the function of the forum, please stop using it to lambast anyone you don't agree with. Granted, you aren't the only one who does this, but I think you're a front runner of the trait. Why can't you just make a simple post about why you disagree???
I'm sorry for this early morning outburst, I just feel that this forum has become rather unfriendly of late. This has nothing to do with you ATS, but it needs to be said.
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ATS,
Can I just point out that Tinno, is indeed, absolutely class.
That is all.
Mr Ballers,
I believe the function of this forum to be to allow individuals to express their own personal opinion. You are entitled to yours which you have clearly and succinctly expressed.
Mine however differs somewhat. Yes the gent to whom you refer has been a player of some quality and is currently playing well for us. I just believe that there may be more 'holes in his armour' than would appear to be the case on initial viewing and superficial inspection.
Jesus man, you're just constantly on the back foot. We know the function of the forum, please stop using it to lambast anyone you don't agree with. Granted, you aren't the only one who does this, but I think you're a front runner of the trait. Why can't you just make a simple post about why you disagree???
I'm sorry for this early morning outburst, I just feel that this forum has become rather unfriendly of late. This has nothing to do with you ATS, but it needs to be said.
Teasy gets a well deserved Goodwin from Jennifer.
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ATS,
Can I just point out that Tinno, is indeed, absolutely class.
That is all.
Mr Ballers,
I believe the function of this forum to be to allow individuals to express their own personal opinion. You are entitled to yours which you have clearly and succinctly expressed.
Mine however differs somewhat. Yes the gent to whom you refer has been a player of some quality and is currently playing well for us. I just believe that there may be more 'holes in his armour' than would appear to be the case on initial viewing and superficial inspection.
Jesus man, you're just constantly on the back foot. We know the function of the forum, please stop using it to lambast anyone you don't agree with. Granted, you aren't the only one who does this, but I think you're a front runner of the trait. Why can't you just make a simple post about why you disagree???
I'm sorry for this early morning outburst, I just feel that this forum has become rather unfriendly of late. This has nothing to do with you ATS, but it needs to be said.
Were it not likely to make me lass popular than Jeff Forshaw at the Gazelle's hostelry I would contest that I had lambasted anyone to be honest but it will, so I wont
Ta! :)
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Its not really about the exact details of being lambasted. For effect it was an overstated remark, none the less it had a purpose. Like I said its not just for your sake, its more a general irk.
My point is, nobody seems to able to debate anything on here any more without being made to feel like they aren't worthy of an opinion. This is not a response to anything that has been said about me, this is a general feeling amongst many of the regulars i talk to. I've said this before, all too often this forum becomes 'who's the biggest alty fan' contest and its pretty f**king embarrassing to read at times.
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I suspect the gazelle is technically the "biggest Alty fan"...!
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I suspect the gazelle is technically the "biggest Alty fan"...!
Steve the steward in the main stand gets my vote
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thats it 20 pints and a curry tonight followed by breakfast on the way up and 12 pies at the match i'll make steve look like twiggy by xmas
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thats it 20 pints and a curry tonight followed by breakfast on the way up and 12 pies at the match i'll make steve look like twiggy by xmas
Double the pints and the pies and you might stand a chance