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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on August 01, 2014, 09:47:05 PM
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Thought we gave a decent Shrewsbury side a good game, they took advantage of us making six changes to score the winner within a minute of the mass change. Draw would probably have been about right. We look fit and ready to go and capable to ask questions of aldershot Lincoln and Bristol rovers next week. As for Shrewsbury, better side than accrington over all but we cut through them with ease on a number of occasions, and we missed 2 or 3 gilt edged chances. I feel they may be a bit frail at the back.You often wonder if your ready to go at this stage, and sometimes look a game short. However I think we looked quick, slick and pretty incisive going forward and reasonably composed at the back. Cavannagh had an outstanding 45 mins, reads the game so well.I think we are ready.
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how did gillespie play ?did cavanagh really look that good ?wonder if marshall starts next week ?
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Gillespie played well in his 45 minutes, won the penalty, they had two men on him
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One eyed match report
http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2014/08/01/altrincham-1-shrewsbury-town-2/
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One eyed match report
http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2014/08/01/altrincham-1-shrewsbury-town-2/
I notice their star sports reporter was at Moss Road.....that might explain his rather wacky view of proceedings !
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The first post in this thread was spot on. We are ready.
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Thought we gave a very good account of ourselves against a Shrewsbury team who were very much up for it. Stuart had a great game and it could have been 3-3 but for good work by both keepers.
Good all round display and a pleasing final game. We did a couple of 5-6 man attacking moves in the second half that were superb.
I watched Sean Williams closely in the second half, I think he only gave it away once, was an absolute terrier in midfield, I think we have got a gem there.
Pleased with the signings, now they all have to work their tripe off, we've got to get behind them and stay patient through some of the tougher times and I think we will have a good season.
It feels like a good time to be an Alty fan at the moment, bring on the new season.
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More balanced match report on the Shrewsbury official site:
http://www.shrewsburytown.com/news/article/1aug14-altrincham-away-1798711.aspx
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My first viewing of the new look Alty .
Verdict. - very pleased with what I saw. Thought the new lads on display look capable of doing well in the Conf Prem. Nicki Clee was superb Sean Williams Cavanagh, Crowther and Gillespie looked good.
Thought Shrews were a good test and they knocked it around well especially in the first half. Hoped we would snatch a draw in the second half.
Shrews Ryan Woods was a class act..
I am not going to bang on about it all season but I'm sorry KP is not going to be much use to us this season. Why the f**k he isn't fit at this stage of a season is simply not good enough and is disrespectful to the management. (IMO).
Looking fwd to seeing the lads establish themselves in the Conf Prem.
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KP will be used in a specific role this season we will need him and we should get behind him.
Or
We can continue to have a go at him all season and contribute in demoralising him from the terraces.
Don't expect goals from he will be used to ruffle feathers, to wind up the opposition and be a general pain in the ass with flick ones or to hold up the ball.
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Agree with this, Chris. We seem to have forgotton the important part he played in challenging the goalkeeper in the Guisley final. The keepers arse must have touched the floor when he saw Kyle bearing down on him, and I was'nt in the least surprised when the keeper fumbled and let the ball run free for Greg.
It came very close to my prediction earlier in the season, when talking about his own fan club amongst the supporters, that I felt he may score the winning goal! He came very close my vision, but it did lead to a goal; and don't forget he scored 14 goals last season. All this backs up what Chris said above, and we should now get off his back and get behind rather than against him. He will play an important part to next season, as will every single player, or Lee would not have signed him.
Really looking forward to this season; and to start with, Aldershot will have one hell of a game to kick off with!!
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I know it was a friendly, but it was actually a very very good game, with plenty of decent players on show for both sides. I'm glad somebody else mentioned their classy number 7 Ryan Woods - I think he's destined for much bigger and better things. However, I'm really excited about the possibility of pairing Cav with Sean Williams in midfield, we could be in for a pretty decent season if the manager gets things right. I was particularly pleased and relieved to see Mike Williams give a cool and composed display as centre half in the second half. I can see Mike and Luca forming a bit of a defensive force for us this season. The criticism of Kyle can sometimes be a little bizzare. I thought he came on at half time and instantly added something different to the mix, causing their slightly shorter centre halves a problem or two in the opening part of the half and surely that's the entire point of having him in the team. Good God, he's not a footballer, but he does provide something different when it's needed and just constantly slagging him off all the time is pointless. In short, Lee has got plenty to ponder, as we have an entire squad of players who seem up for the challenge of the Conference National and we should all be feeling pretty bullish.
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as good as mike Williams may look id make use of leather at centre half because it will probably be his last season before a leauge club buys him
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I like Scott and I want him to be in the first team, but I think Lee's view is that he should be gently introduced to the new league in much the same way he was to Conference North. Scott has the potential to play in the league one day and I feel the manager's view is probably right.
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I can't comment on Williams i haven't seen enough of him but leather is a better player than Luca and that's nothing against Luca I rate him highly it is pleasing to hear Williams looks in good shape regardless
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as good as mike Williams may look id make use of leather at centre half because it will probably be his last season before a leauge club buys him
my concern is the defence
Looks like he prefers Marshall to Leather which is a worry
Everything else looks good
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If that is the case it's odd Marshall not good enough last season
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leather is the best defender at the club imo
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Good work out but not proof of anything until tackles start going in.
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pre season friendlies are for getting people fit, hence they both got 45 minutes
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It was a good game to watch with many positive performances from the players.......did (Sean) Williams stop running when he came on?
Thought the game was a good test in that it maybe replicates what a top six Conference team will be like to play against and for my money the game could have gone either way. The penalty we got was probably outside the area, but then again, in a proper game the keeper would have been off. A sensible referee who did the right thing.
The goal we conceded second half was a direct result of five changed players not fully understanding where they and each other needed to be.....all in all I think the management duo have a real headache who to start and who to select for the bench. A good problem to have.
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as good as mike Williams may look id make use of leather at centre half because it will probably be his last season before a leauge club buys him
my concern is the defence
Looks like he prefers Marshall to Leather which is a worry
Everything else looks good
There's no way he'll play that team against Aldershot. I suspect he was assessing how competent his cover in defence was should Havern or Leather get injured. I thought Marshall did ok there though in fairness.
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For me starting line up would be
Coburn
Densmore
Griffin
Leather
Havern
Cavanagh
Moult
Crowther
Clee
Gillespie
Reeves
Hard luck Lawrie, who has been good
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I think after last night, we have a decent enough team to stay up.
Will be hard work though. Looking forward to start of hostilities.
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I think after last night, we have a decent enough team to stay up.
Will be hard work though. Looking forward to start of hostilities.
think top half is achievable
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For me starting line up would be
Coburn
Densmore
Griffin
Leather
Havern
Cavanagh
Moult
Crowther
Clee
Gillespie
Reeves
Hard luck Lawrie, who has been good
Also Very tough on Sean williams, been excellent on the three occasions I've seen him
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I think after last night, we have a decent enough team to stay up.
Will be hard work though. Looking forward to start of hostilities.
think top half is achievable
I'll hold judgement until we assess the strength of the length, we looking fit, determined and together, having a nucleus can never be under estimated, that's why I think guisley will win conf north, regardless of what Barlow Harrogate chorley Flyde etc are spending
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For me starting line up would be
Coburn
Densmore
Griffin
Leather
Havern
Cavanagh
Moult
Crowther
Clee
Gillespie
Reeves
Hard luck Lawrie, who has been good
Also Very tough on Sean williams, been excellent on the three occasions I've seen him
I think that, especially in midfield, everyone will get plenty of game time so Sean need not worry.
Also, this is the first time for a long time where we've had this degree of strength in depth.
The very fact that there are lots of discussions on which will be the first eleven - and that folks are agonising about leaving particular players out demonstrates this.
Having said that, top half is only achievable if our strikers are scoring very regularly. They are capable of it.
The pessimist in me is still worrying but that negative voice is getting quieter all the time.
I think somewhere between 12th to 16th and comfortable.
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and heres the team plus subs that played against stevenage when we came up in 2005 ,1. Stuart COBURN, 15. Peter BAND, 4. Mark MADDOX, 5. Gary TALBOT, 3. Chris ADAMS; 17. Karl MUNROE, 12. Steve HAWES, 8. Val OWEN, 14. Lewis CHALMERS; 19. Gary WILLIAMS, 9. Colin LITTLE. Subs: 7. Colin POTTS, 10. Rod THORNLEY, 13. Richard ACTON (gk), 20. Kieran LUGSDEN, 25. Nehru McKENZIE.
Wont be much comparison, only colin would get in todays team imo
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Agree today's team much stronger also the team that started that game is in worse shape than the team that beat Eastbourne because of Eddie having to finish and not helped that Potts and thornley were on bench rather than starting
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Agree today's team much stronger also the team that started that game is in worse shape than the team that beat Eastbourne because of Eddie having to finish and not helped that Potts and thornley were on bench rather than starting
karl monroe on the right of midfiled if i remember correctly
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Strength of the length Peter?
Naughty thinking
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and heres the team plus subs that played against stevenage when we came up in 2005 ,1. Stuart COBURN, 15. Peter BAND, 4. Mark MADDOX, 5. Gary TALBOT, 3. Chris ADAMS; 17. Karl MUNROE, 12. Steve HAWES, 8. Val OWEN, 14. Lewis CHALMERS; 19. Gary WILLIAMS, 9. Colin LITTLE. Subs: 7. Colin POTTS, 10. Rod THORNLEY, 13. Richard ACTON (gk), 20. Kieran LUGSDEN, 25. Nehru McKENZIE. Wont be much comparison, only colin would get in todays team imo
Think that goalie fella would too!
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Charlmers at his peak was probably the best midfielder in the confrence
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Strength of the length Peter?
Naughty thinking
Who Peter? My name is petrocelli
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and heres the team plus subs that played against stevenage when we came up in 2005 ,1. Stuart COBURN, 15. Peter BAND, 4. Mark MADDOX, 5. Gary TALBOT, 3. Chris ADAMS; 17. Karl MUNROE, 12. Steve HAWES, 8. Val OWEN, 14. Lewis CHALMERS; 19. Gary WILLIAMS, 9. Colin LITTLE. Subs: 7. Colin POTTS, 10. Rod THORNLEY, 13. Richard ACTON (gk), 20. Kieran LUGSDEN, 25. Nehru McKENZIE.
Wont be much comparison, only colin would get in todays team imo
The realisation that I would struggle to find a spot in the current line-up to accomodate Val Owen says it all really.
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Havern and Leather are our best defensive partnership and Leather will be one of the best centre halves in the conference. I hope we don't do what we did last year which was try to accommodate others and play him out of position on occasions until gradually coming around to this inevitable conclusion.
We can't afford to waste points this year. It took LS quite a while to play his best side last year, just in the nick of time in fact but we were very good at the end of last year. This also goes for playing 4-4-2. Don't be wasting time with 3 at the back. An option yes but we should be settled and playing our game.
It's good that by general consensus that all the new outfield signings (with slight debate over S Williams even though he has impressed) should be in the first XI and are better than the incumbents. If you're moving up a division and your signings aren't clearly better than what you already have then you've made mistakes. Don't know whether Gillespie better than Walshaw, but Wally wasn't here so that's by the by. Less important in the case of Parton/keepers in general.
I won't comment too much on Marshall and Perry as I haven't seen enough of pre season other than a couple of points. With his pedigree from Kidderminster, if Tom Marshall is fit and motivated he should be one of the first names on the team sheet. At the moment he's probably our 4th choice centre half. this is something Tom has to deal as there won't be many opportunities to get gifted game time to get fit.
Kyle Perry is a top character who I like, however he was not at the races all last season - having 2 great games against Stalybridge and being a hero in the last minute against Guiseley doesn't mean he was up to scratch.. Some on here seem to think this will be ok in the Conference as he will come up against big galoots of defenders. He won't, they're athletes at this level. Proper athletes, not necessarily great on the ball but proper muscular quick athletes. Kyle will have to get as fit as he possibly can and just do his best, that's all we'll ask for. If it isn't working, LS may need to be cruel to be kind in that regard.
I'm hoping some of our ball players who flatter to deceive occasionally flourish and take their play off form into the conference where it might suit them more (Lawrie, Moult, Wilkinson). I also hope Mike Williams is truly fit.
Moreover, and it sounds as though he will, I hope LS plays exciting attacking football and takes teams by surprise. we should have enough about us to overcome the inevitable rocky patches if we do.
My team for next week at Aldershot - who really weren't great last season remember is.
Coburn
Densmore Havern Leather Griffin
Crowther Richman Cavanagh Clee (who on earth suggested he wouldn't start, have you seen us play without him?!)
Gillespie Reeves
Subs Parton M Williams S Williams Moult Lawrie Wilkinson Marshall Perry
If we take Gillespie off and go 4-5-1 I hope his replacement is a Lawrie/Wilkinson to play in the hole and still provide an attacking threat where necessary.
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Excellent post as always ballers what I would say is if Sean Williams is as good as what iv heard he will get nod over richman and if not I'd still go for moult anyway richman may play right midfield as 2 wingers away maybe considered a bit adventures
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Havern and Leather are our best defensive partnership and Leather will be one of the best centre halves in the conference. I hope we don't do what we did last year which was try to accommodate others and play him out of position on occasions until gradually coming around to this inevitable conclusion.
We can't afford to waste points this year. It took LS quite a while to play his best side last year, just in the nick of time in fact but we were very good at the end of last year. This also goes for playing 4-4-2. Don't be wasting time with 3 at the back. An option yes but we should be settled and playing our game.
It's good that by general consensus that all the new outfield signings (with slight debate over S Williams even though he has impressed) should be in the first XI and are better than the incumbents. If you're moving up a division and your signings aren't clearly better than what you already have then you've made mistakes. Don't know whether Gillespie better than Walshaw, but Wally wasn't here so that's by the by. Less important in the case of Parton/keepers in general.
I won't comment too much on Marshall and Perry as I haven't seen enough of pre season other than a couple of points. With his pedigree from Kidderminster, if Tom Marshall is fit and motivated he should be one of the first names on the team sheet. At the moment he's probably our 4th choice centre half. this is something Tom has to deal as there won't be many opportunities to get gifted game time to get fit.
Kyle Perry is a top character who I like, however he was not at the races all last season - having 2 great games against Stalybridge and being a hero in the last minute against Guiseley doesn't mean he was up to scratch.. Some on here seem to think this will be ok in the Conference as he will come up against big galoots of defenders. He won't, they're athletes at this level. Proper athletes, not necessarily great on the ball but proper muscular quick athletes. Kyle will have to get as fit as he possibly can and just do his best, that's all we'll ask for. If it isn't working, LS may need to be cruel to be kind in that regard.
I'm hoping some of our ball players who flatter to deceive occasionally flourish and take their play off form into the conference where it might suit them more (Lawrie, Moult, Wilkinson). I also hope Mike Williams is truly fit.
Moreover, and it sounds as though he will, I hope LS plays exciting attacking football and takes teams by surprise. we should have enough about us to overcome the inevitable rocky patches if we do.
My team for next week at Aldershot - who really weren't great last season remember is.
Coburn
Densmore Havern Leather Griffin
Crowther Richman Cavanagh Clee (who on earth suggested he wouldn't start, have you seen us play without him?!)
Gillespie Reeves
Subs Parton M Williams S Williams Moult Lawrie Wilkinson Marshall Perry
If we take Gillespie off and go 4-5-1 I hope his replacement is a Lawrie/Wilkinson to play in the hole and still provide an attacking threat where necessary.
Top post....says it how it is
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Excellent post as always ballers what I would say is if Sean Williams is as good as what iv heard he will get nod over richman and if not I'd still go for moult anyway richman may play right midfield as 2 wingers away maybe considered a bit adventures
Correct about Williams but I haven't seen him seen him so wouldn't comment. I put Richman in on the basis that Crowther and Clee both play and LS may want Richman's 'legs' in there. That said, if Cavanagh is any good at organising at base of midfield as Boshell and these players should be then Moult would probably do well there.
Also, wasn't sure about Griffin when I saw him against good wingers last year so may have had M Williams, but again is he fit enough for Conference. We seem in good nick but we could maybe still improve.
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I have to confess that having only three recognised forwards in a squad of 19 does give me some cause for concern.
Especially when (i) Gillespie hasn't exactly made that many first team appearances in the last two years and (ii) one of those forwards happens to be Kyle Perry.
I sincerely hope that my qualms prove to be baseless.
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Good post Ballers.
One of the people who think Perry is of use to us is of course me, and I still maintain this, he will be valuable to us.
However whilst I do think his presence will help us, in my opinion he is not a first team choice player.
What worries me is if Gillespie or Reeves do get injured who do we have to bring in. Yes KP can perhaps hold the fort for a game or two, but beyond that I am not so sure. Lawrie is perhaps the only replacement up front?
Either way we are in good shape with probably the best team we have had in years. In any team there will always be the stronger and weaker players, but we should all remember that perhaps without those weaker players we could not afford the stronger ones. It is a team game and they will all come to the party throughout the season.
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Wilko or Lawrie could do a job up front, and there is always Max Pouncey.
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Wilko or Lawrie could do a job up front, and there is always Max Pouncey.
Hamilton, whilst they could play up front, do you think they would be suitable for a 2-8 week stretch if we got an injury? Lawrie is the only one really who could at least provide some cover, I would not see Pouncey or Wilkinson doing it, although I have to say I have not seen Wilkinson up front much and never seen pouncey.
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I think ballers is spot on
Although I would have Moult for Richman (with Cavanagh protecting him)
S Williams has looked ok, but Cavanagh rather takes his place, don't think those two will start together often
Cult is right to worry we don't have too much up front, Gillespie has had a few injuries and Perry is sh*t
M Williams to me looks a long way of conf prem. It's hard after such an injury
But we looked prepared, better than previous years when we didn't look fit
Mid table easy
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I would imagine ls could go fot a striker on loan if reeves or gillespie got injured and lawirie or perry didnt step up to the mark
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Don't forget that in this league, we're back to transfer windows and other such restrictions.
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Havern and Leather are our best defensive partnership and Leather will be one of the best centre halves in the conference. I hope we don't do what we did last year which was try to accommodate others and play him out of position on occasions until gradually coming around to this inevitable conclusion.
We can't afford to waste points this year. It took LS quite a while to play his best side last year, just in the nick of time in fact but we were very good at the end of last year. This also goes for playing 4-4-2. Don't be wasting time with 3 at the back. An option yes but we should be settled and playing our game.
It's good that by general consensus that all the new outfield signings (with slight debate over S Williams even though he has impressed) should be in the first XI and are better than the incumbents. If you're moving up a division and your signings aren't clearly better than what you already have then you've made mistakes. Don't know whether Gillespie better than Walshaw, but Wally wasn't here so that's by the by. Less important in the case of Parton/keepers in general.
I won't comment too much on Marshall and Perry as I haven't seen enough of pre season other than a couple of points. With his pedigree from Kidderminster, if Tom Marshall is fit and motivated he should be one of the first names on the team sheet. At the moment he's probably our 4th choice centre half. this is something Tom has to deal as there won't be many opportunities to get gifted game time to get fit.
Kyle Perry is a top character who I like, however he was not at the races all last season - having 2 great games against Stalybridge and being a hero in the last minute against Guiseley doesn't mean he was up to scratch.. Some on here seem to think this will be ok in the Conference as he will come up against big galoots of defenders. He won't, they're athletes at this level. Proper athletes, not necessarily great on the ball but proper muscular quick athletes. Kyle will have to get as fit as he possibly can and just do his best, that's all we'll ask for. If it isn't working, LS may need to be cruel to be kind in that regard.
I'm hoping some of our ball players who flatter to deceive occasionally flourish and take their play off form into the conference where it might suit them more (Lawrie, Moult, Wilkinson). I also hope Mike Williams is truly fit.
Moreover, and it sounds as though he will, I hope LS plays exciting attacking football and takes teams by surprise. we should have enough about us to overcome the inevitable rocky patches if we do.
My team for next week at Aldershot - who really weren't great last season remember is.
Coburn
Densmore Havern Leather Griffin
Crowther Richman Cavanagh Clee (who on earth suggested he wouldn't start, have you seen us play without him?!)
Gillespie Reeves
Subs Parton M Williams S Williams Moult Lawrie Wilkinson Marshall Perry
If we take Gillespie off and go 4-5-1 I hope his replacement is a Lawrie/Wilkinson to play in the hole and still provide an attacking threat where necessary.
SPOT ON POST! HAVERN PARTNERING LEATHER IS A MUST FOR EVERY GAME, IF FIT. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT GRIFFIN, JUST WATCHED THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE SHREWSBURY GAME AND HE WAS EASILY BEATEN AGAIN. GRIFFIN IS TOO SLOW, AS IS PERRY AND MARSHALL. THE LEAGUE WILL HAVE EXTREMELY FIT AND QUICK DEFENDERS. THINK WE HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH TEAM TO STAY UP BUT I WOULD HAVE RELEASED PERRY AND LOOKED AT ANOTHER MORE MOBILE FORWARD.
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I don't go per season so can't comment on that but the times iv seen griffin I was only worried by him v Telford and to be fair Sean whalley was a very fast winger agree with the rest