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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: oneedham on August 06, 2016, 06:02:33 PM
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Pretty dire game.
Positives is in the first half we won the ball back a lot but negatives was when we got it up top we were very slow at catching up with play, hence why Lawrie had to play for free kicks.
Second half was not a great start but played better when Richman came on even though we conceded two but one being from a corner and the other a pen.
Impressed by Cyrus, Hannigan, Patterson, Lynch and Goodall.
Heathcote and Dawber are young but seem to be confidence players. We'll have to wait and see.
If we are to play that narrow without natural wide players then for me it has to be Goodall, Moult, Lynch and Richman.
Lawrie had a good game and normally does when he is up for it.
Clearly need a couple of quick, strong with good stamina wide players. Seriously consider Clee on what Guiseley have offered. Pay as you play deal. I am sure he won't be contracted to such a deal so defo worth a gamble.
Desperately need support for Reeves in a strong and quick forward who can get behind the defence. Doesn't have to be over 6ft tall - those days have gone unless you get someone like Parkin. We looked so slow going forward but the boys works hard.
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Agree with most of the above
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Also thought it was a generally low quality game.
For Alty i thought there were too many long hopeful balls hit forward in hope rather than expectation.
Gutting to concede late pen but probably fair result with neither team creating to many chances, though we probably should have taken one of the chances we had in 2nd half at 1 0.
Definitely need another striker otherwise it could be a tough season. Thought Dawber without being overly busy was solid though his kicking wasn't the greatest
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Need some width, patterson at right back and a left footed left back for me.
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Dreadful..
No width, no creativity. Back 4 were ok even though Heathcote isn't a rb.
Playing 4-1-3-1-1 is never going to impress me.
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Dreadful..
No width, no creativity. Back 4 were ok even though Heathcote isn't a rb.
Playing 4-1-3-1-1 is never going to impress me.
Dreadful a touch harsh imo
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Miller was totally ineffective. Richman must start on Tuesday.
We'll need to keep very close tabs on Tom Denton who got a hat trick at Nuneaton today.
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Hopefully they're still finding their feet. No one of Clee's quality out there today. The goalie needs to stop waving and get on with it.
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I've slagged Dawber in pre season but I thought he had a very solid game today and wasn't at fault for either goal.
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Dreadful..
No width, no creativity. Back 4 were ok even though Heathcote isn't a rb.
Playing 4-1-3-1-1 is never going to impress me.
Exactly how I saw it as well and to be honest, in comparison to the Conference National teams we've seen at Moss Lane over the last couple of years, Darlington were dreadful. I'd forgotten how bad the football is in the Northern league and how close it is to Sunday football! Defenders just whacking the ball aimlessly up the field and very little effort to actually build attacks from the back and through mid-field.
Sadly this looks like exactly how we are going to play as well. I fear it's going to be a long season.
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Discussion points:
Extra bulk or pace needed in central defence? Or Both?
No natural left footed service
Idiots on the pitch when the away team scored. Dawber allegedly 'struck' and spat at....?
Won't know how good/bad this was until more games are played but note that Kiddy scored 6 at Curzon.
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Kiddy signed up most of their young squad towards the end of last season in readiness for Conference North - will be the 'surprise' package I think.
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I don't think it was dreadful at all, thought there were some positives and some some obvious areas in which we will need to improve. The two centre halfs were superb, Paterson did well out of position and I think it's clear that Neil Young knows he needs to find a natural left back soon. Lots of energy and pressing in the middle of the park , but agreed we lacked some composure on the ball and we didn't keep hold of it well enough. Alan Goodall will be just fine as a holding midfielder in this league and his positional play is good. Up top we were poor, desperately need a striker. As for the standard of the league it is what it is and it's where we are, I personally think this squad has more about it than last seasons (apart from Clee who I'd love back).
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Dobson was absolutely awful. To take off Damian after 60 minutes (did not appear injured and had no decent service whatsoever) for that slow carthorse (even worse than Perry) does not bode well for the future imo.
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We lacked anyone who could run at opponents in the areas where it can hurt them (Lawrie aside, who I thought was superb).
I think Miller will do this eventually from what little I have seen of him. I was somewhat bemused to see him start today, having only played one half of football for us this pre-season. Billy Hasler-Cregg will also be able to do this, as will Harry Cain if not played as a left back (but even if played as a wing back will cause problems for teams).
I thought the formation was very defensive today, so presumably NY set us up to not give too much away against a team that has been watched, and who I think will do OK in this league.
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Hobson hasn't had much of a pre-season and NY keeps telling us he will be a touch off the pace at first. The only way to get him match for is for him to be playing. Given a few other attacking options were out (ill or injured) I'm not surprised he was used later on in the game, especially if Reeves wasn't looking like scoring (through lack of service, not his endeavour). As soon as other players are fit/the loan system is used, I would expect him to be sent out on loan to get game time which is obviously what he needs.
What were people's thoughts on Miller? What position was he playing and what is his "natural" position? I know nothing about him.
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Far more positive than negative to take away from the game, and it's been a while since come away from Moss Lane saying that:
Lawrie looks hungry again, defensively we looked solid and bar the goals cannot remember Dawber making a clear cut save.
Yes, we didn't create much ourselves, but the feeling that when Reeves (not his sort of game, the change fully justified) gets clicking I think we will be fine. We'll need more players to support him with the goals, but I'm confident the burden won't be solely on his shoulders.
No reason why we can't move further in to this season with a positive attitude and being there or thereabouts
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Why wasn't it Reevesy's game then? He's played plenty of games in this league against kick and rush teams like Darlington and scored goals. I would suggest the reason he didn't make much impression was the awful lack of service. Jake was on his own in forward positions with Goodall being too far back and obviously not quick enough to get forward and Lynch doesn't have any creativity in his game. He's Simon Richman with a left foot.
Could I ask why on earth we haven't got a suitable left back in by the start of the season?
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I didnt think it was too bad, 7/10 for me, don't forget that the Darlington team had been together for ages. The issue was connection between the midfield and the strike force with Lawrie playing v deep for a forward, looked more 451 to me. All over the pitch we looked more committed and first to the ball. Had a number of great chances last 10 mins. Thought the ref had a bad last 10 but overall a fair result.
Concerned that we need to pick some points up from Halifax away, harrogate (plastic pitch) away and fylde home. Looks like it will be easier in sept.
Rapid partner for reeves required
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I thought we had a lot of energy for the 90 minutes my opinion is that we
Will finish in the top ten we won't go up but in a couple of seasons we will be strong enough
A darlington fan said he expected a 4 nil loss so we have bigger teams to come
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Well i thought it was dreadful....like watching a team of centre halves..
Lots of improvement needed to build on a solid hard working back 8
No left back still and absolutly no width no creativity and reeves chasing hopeless causes for 60 mins.
Centre halves very solid lawrie played well but is far more effective playing just behind reeves...oh and it was a nice day weather wise...
Solid but awful.
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
He started for Guiseley yesterday, closer to home for him and probably on more money ,cant see him coming back
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
He started for Guiseley yesterday, closer to home for him and probably on more money ,cant see him coming back
I think you'll find Nicky wouldn't set foot inside Moss Lane again....unless we get Guiseley in the cup.
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
He started for Guiseley yesterday, closer to home for him and probably on more money ,cant see him coming back
I think you'll find Nicky wouldn't set foot inside Moss Lane again....unless we get Guiseley in the cup.
Why ?
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
Didn't we sign two wingers pre-season?
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
He started for Guiseley yesterday, closer to home for him and probably on more money ,cant see him coming back
I think you'll find Nicky wouldn't set foot inside Moss Lane again....unless we get Guiseley in the cup.
Why ?
a single phone call after so many years here to say you are not wanted is probably a big reason
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
Didn't we sign two wingers pre-season?
Miller is too stocky and slow to be a winger, might end up being a good player but he has number 10 written all over his stature.
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One positive from yesterday is we competed for every header. Over the last three or four seasons we have often not bothered contesting and then hoped we'd win the second ball. Very frustrating.
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
He started for Guiseley yesterday, closer to home for him and probably on more money ,cant see him coming back
I think you'll find Nicky wouldn't set foot inside Moss Lane again....unless we get Guiseley in the cup.
Why ?
a single phone call after so many years here to say you are not wanted is probably a big reason
Probably not far off the mark. You can't blame him can you?!
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
He started for Guiseley yesterday, closer to home for him and probably on more money ,cant see him coming back
I think you'll find Nicky wouldn't set foot inside Moss Lane again....unless we get Guiseley in the cup.
Why ?
a single phone call after so many years here to say you are not wanted is probably a big reason
How many phone calls is appropriate to tell a player they have been released?
Or should he have been dragged all the way to Moss Lane for a face to face meeting?
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Already can see that Hobson isn't good enough and if Hattersy is worst than that's two we can maybe release. We need a left back, two decent wide players with creativity and a quick striker. Get Clee back on pay as you play.
He started for Guiseley yesterday, closer to home for him and probably on more money ,cant see him coming back
I think you'll find Nicky wouldn't set foot inside Moss Lane again....unless we get Guiseley in the cup.
Why ?
a single phone call after so many years here to say you are not wanted is probably a big reason
How many phone calls is appropriate to tell a player they have been released?
Or should he have been dragged all the way to Moss Lane for a face to face meeting?
I think he would have been notified no differently to any of the other lads who were released. he was a popular and vital team member but obviously NY has different plans and thoughts. No gold watch for Nicky Im afraid.
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It's hilarious really. A grand total of one competitive game before talk begins about ex players. Nicky was a great servant for us but he's gone now, he won't be coming back and I don't understand why people think the club are entitled to just take him back as and when.
Give Neil Young and his squad time to settle in to their positions. BHC would have started on the left but for a throat infection, and Miller is not match-sharp yet. Hopefully it will come with games. We look very organised and it seems we have a great platform to build on from the back.
Until then, for the time being I think people need to worry about how they're getting to games and leave the punditry alone. "Dreadful?" f**k me. Probably the same people who booed at full time.
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It's hilarious really. A grand total of one competitive game before talk begins about ex players. Nicky was a great servant for us but he's gone now, he won't be coming back and I don't understand why people think the club are entitled to just take him back as and when.
Give Neil Young and his squad time to settle in to their positions. BHC would have started on the left but for a throat infection, and Miller is not match-sharp yet. Hopefully it will come with games. We look very organised and it seems we have a great platform to build on from the back.
Until then, for the time being I think people need to worry about how they're getting to games and leave the punditry alone. "Dreadful?" f**k me. Probably the same people who booed at full time.
Couldn't agree more with this! I hope people will be realistic in their expectations - though I fear they won't be. Rome wasn't (re)built in a day & it will take longer than some appear to think to get things how we'd all like. This league may not be the best in terms of technical level of football but it is going to be very competitive & we are far from being the best placed to compete financially. Give the management time & show a bit of patience, please.
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I may be wrong but I think the booing at the end was aimed at the referee.
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I agree, any booing was directed towards the officials not the team
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How many phone calls is appropriate to tell a player they have been released?
If somebody rang me repeatedly to say I wasn't wanted at work anymore I would consider it harassment
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How many phone calls is appropriate to tell a player they have been released?
If somebody rang me repeatedly to say I wasn't wanted at work anymore I would consider it harassment
funny