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Title: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Hugh on December 09, 2021, 02:33:40 AM
(I.E. potentially ML). No blooming comment.
Enjoy
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Mick on December 09, 2021, 03:10:25 AM
Luckily those good guys at Trafford Council - the ones who preside over disgusting dirty pavements, full of litter, leaves that fell off trees 10 weeks ago, blocked drains, pot holes, uneven flagstones and numerous areas of standing water - have graciously re-assessed capacity at 3999
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Seth on December 09, 2021, 09:15:26 AM
Luckily, for sporting events its 10,000.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Saughall Robin on December 09, 2021, 09:23:49 AM
Am I correct in thinking that we'll get the reassessed capacity for the JDS from the Council some time on Friday?
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: cheshire cat on December 09, 2021, 02:39:35 PM
Luckily, for sporting events its 10,000.

Where do you get that from? BBC sources say "4000 unseated outdoors"

I can't see us getting 4000 even for the Stockport match.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Silent but Ledley on December 09, 2021, 03:26:15 PM
Never mind the dirty pavements, litter everywhere fallen trees, smelly drains, pot holes etc etc etc they write amazing corporate policies, have amazing risk assessments and procedures which matter zero to Joe public! SBL
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on December 09, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
If I read it right it's unseated outside events of 4,000 and all events of 10,000
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Saughall Robin on December 09, 2021, 03:38:32 PM
So we're ok with 4000 standing plus the 1300 odd seats? If so, that'll be plenty!
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Seth on December 09, 2021, 03:51:45 PM
Luckily, for sporting events its 10,000.

Where do you get that from? BBC sources say "4000 unseated outdoors"

I can't see us getting 4000 even for the Stockport match.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/59575982
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: cheshire cat on December 09, 2021, 05:43:27 PM
Thanks Seth. I think you need to read as far as paragraph 6. Whoever produced the piece obviously doesn't realise that there are still football grounds albeit outside the football league that have terracing where standing is the done thing
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: CRT Butty on December 09, 2021, 06:41:03 PM
That is measured on capacity, not the actual turnout, or am I being a bit dim?
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: cheshire cat on December 09, 2021, 06:53:16 PM
It talks about crowds over.......   so I think it means attendees. How do you know the number of attendees unless you can control sales on the gate?

It's mad. Obviously The Etihad or Old Trafford will get over 10000 but what about somewhere like The Macron? They might on Boxing Day but possibly not for a normal league fixture.

And then you get Boris saying you can attend if you have a negative lateral flow test. There's no way that can be policed. Are you supposed to do one at the ground or bring one along that you did earlier, bought from a friend, found lying in the street. It's a total farce.

With any luck this will be one headache our board won't have to worry about.

I'm hoping for a good game on Saturday just to take everyone's minds off this crap.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Sarf London Alty on December 09, 2021, 07:30:09 PM
It talks about crowds over.......   so I think it means attendees. How do you know the number of attendees unless you can control sales on the gate?

It's mad. Obviously The Etihad or Old Trafford will get over 10000 but what about somewhere like The Macron? They might on Boxing Day but possibly not for a normal league fixture.

And then you get Boris saying you can attend if you have a negative lateral flow test. There's no way that can be policed. Are you supposed to do one at the ground or bring one along that you did earlier, bought from a friend, found lying in the street. It's a total farce.

With any luck this will be one headache our board won't have to worry about.

I'm hoping for a good game on Saturday just to take everyone's minds off this crap.

There’s no way they’ll be checking all 75,000 at Old Trafford for example for their Covid status, otherwise the game wouldn’t start until Midnight. They’ll just do spot checks at random on people. I don’t think it will be too over zealous.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: CRT Butty on December 09, 2021, 08:19:47 PM
1) How do you know the number of attendees unless you can control sales on the gate?

I'm hoping for a good game on Saturday just to take everyone's minds off this crap.

1) That's why I think it's capacity, not actual gate. You sell xxx tickets and nobody needs to bring anything, but sell xxx +1 and everyone needs to be contacted and told they need to bring some proof with them. I don't really know, I just assumed it would have to be based on capacity.

2) Yes please.

Beer time.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Sale Holmfield on December 09, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
1) How do you know the number of attendees unless you can control sales on the gate?

I'm hoping for a good game on Saturday just to take everyone's minds off this crap.

1) That's why I think it's capacity, not actual gate. You sell xxx tickets and nobody needs to bring anything, but sell xxx +1 and everyone needs to be contacted and told they need to bring some proof with them. I don't really know, I just assumed it would have to be based on capacity.

2) Yes please.

Beer time.

The answers do indicate the uncertainty of this benighted idea, which was down to a panicked Boris Johnson trying to secure his position, regardless of the consequences. Possibly, as most of Meadow Lane will be closed when we visit Notts County, the capacity will be reduced so it won't apply anyway, but who knows?

For what it's worth. some have compared the new regulations to what already applies in Wales. I went to a Cymru Premier game rather than to Adershot on Saturday, but everything at the match, although Cefn Druids were really not very good at all, and in the pub and on the train beforehand, were just like normal.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: HashtagAlty on December 10, 2021, 10:39:17 PM
It talks about crowds over.......   so I think it means attendees. How do you know the number of attendees unless you can control sales on the gate?

It's mad. Obviously The Etihad or Old Trafford will get over 10000 but what about somewhere like The Macron? They might on Boxing Day but possibly not for a normal league fixture.

And then you get Boris saying you can attend if you have a negative lateral flow test. There's no way that can be policed. Are you supposed to do one at the ground or bring one along that you did earlier, bought from a friend, found lying in the street. It's a total farce.

With any luck this will be one headache our board won't have to worry about.

I'm hoping for a good game on Saturday just to take everyone's minds off this crap.

There’s no way they’ll be checking all 75,000 at Old Trafford for example for their Covid status, otherwise the game wouldn’t start until Midnight. They’ll just do spot checks at random on people. I don’t think it will be too over zealous.

Or they make take an approach like Airlines it's a requirement to add to your ticket, and then your entry is scanned and flags any non vaccinated.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: JD on December 10, 2021, 10:42:11 PM
It talks about crowds over.......   so I think it means attendees. How do you know the number of attendees unless you can control sales on the gate?

It's mad. Obviously The Etihad or Old Trafford will get over 10000 but what about somewhere like The Macron? They might on Boxing Day but possibly not for a normal league fixture.

And then you get Boris saying you can attend if you have a negative lateral flow test. There's no way that can be policed. Are you supposed to do one at the ground or bring one along that you did earlier, bought from a friend, found lying in the street. It's a total farce.

With any luck this will be one headache our board won't have to worry about.

I'm hoping for a good game on Saturday just to take everyone's minds off this crap.

There’s no way they’ll be checking all 75,000 at Old Trafford for example for their Covid status, otherwise the game wouldn’t start until Midnight. They’ll just do spot checks at random on people. I don’t think it will be too over zealous.

Or they make take an approach like Airlines it's a requirement to add to your ticket, and then your entry is scanned and flags any non vaccinated.

I have heard that big clubs just check a random selection of fans as, to do them all, would be a bit of a nightmare.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Hugh on December 13, 2021, 12:12:23 AM
So we're ok with 4000 standing plus the 1300 odd seats? If so, that'll be plenty!

Will it though? Wrexham have been getting massive crowds, our crowds are up, and we got over three and a half thousand against County even in the NLN. I was thinking potentially 5,000 plus. If everything went according to plan, obviously.
Title: Re: "Vaccine passports" to be introduced for outdoor standing venues of 4,000 plus
Post by: Hugh on December 13, 2021, 12:25:39 AM
Luckily, for sporting events its 10,000.

Where do you get that from? BBC sources say "4000 unseated outdoors"

I can't see us getting 4000 even for the Stockport match.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/59575982

"Any" unseated outdoor venue. The article could be clearer, but I don't think it's granting sport an exemption. Then again, I wouldn't expect better from the BBC after that Alty team formation they gave a while back...