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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Ballers on October 10, 2007, 09:32:58 PM
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I was going to say more fun and games but it's not fun and there might not be any more games.
http://www.nvfc.co.uk/board/index.php?topic=1376.msg12108;topicseen#new
That said, a thursday night train journey for a few beers in 'leafy' cheshire to watch Utd v liverpool reserves whilst making a point sounds fun if anyone fancies it?
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I do wonder if Vics will survive long enough to be included in next Monday's draw for the FA Cup Fourth Qualifying Round.
A bye awaiting one team, possibly?
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Whats the betting Connetts men don't allow vics fans in?
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bet he does if its a big game ith a chance of asset stripping the 1 st round proper
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By the end of today we will know if Vics will ever play a game again. I have a feeling that won't happen. Its a real shame.
This isn't a rallying call by any means but I'd hope that a couple of Alty fans will go tonight to show some support, or at least e-mail man utd r sky sports news as suggested in the link below:
http://www.nvfc.co.uk/board/index.php?topic=1381.0
Another truly perplexing day for non-league football. And still the FA sit around and let this happen over and over again. I bet good money that another non-league club will lose its local rivals for the long-term before the seasons out, just as we have.
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I know it seems a strange thing to say, but (god forbid) if the worst should happen tonight I would like to think Northwich fans will be made very welcome at Moss Lane should they wish to attend any of our home games between now and the end of the season. You can never replace the team you support or change your allegiance under any circumstances but replacing the "footy fix" is something which is entirely necessary. At this sad time we should demonstrate clearly why we are widely regarded as such a friendly and pleasant club.
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Northwich season ticket gets discounted/free entry to Moss Lane perhaps?
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That's something I hadn't thought about. Bad enough losing your club but to have paid for the non existent games up front too!
I'm sure that nice Mr C will issue refunds. ::)
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I think that free entry for Vics season ticket holders is something we should seriously be considering, if it's feasible.
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We would need to take legal advice as we wouldn't want to incur liability for any tax or Vat on them, no doubt currently unpaid.
I think if and I mean if, we followed this route a discount scheme would be more appropriate rather like the England game idea on a match by match basis.
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if vics fans came t our games would we have to have three lots of segregation,
no wonder phil has resigned he saw this coming
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The Northwich v Exeter game has been confirmed as on and will be televised by Setanta...I thought there was some doubt about this last night, though I heard some Vics fans saying they've already played their last game?
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if vics fans came t our games would we have to have three lots of segregation,
no wonder phil has resigned he saw this coming
Excellent ;D
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There seems to be a lot of well intended comments on here towards the Vics and there is maybe nothing wrong with that, but let's try and keep this to sensible proportions.
By all means let's make welcome any Vics supporter who may still need their footy fix and could not stomach the short trip to Witton, but letting season ticket holders in for free ? What next, buy their beer before the game and a free programme.
Maybe a discount would be appropriate to Vics ST holders something like the England suggestion (think this has been said earlier). Even if Vics fans came and stood with the away supporters, then they would be made welcome in the bar etc because they would be increasing attendances and revenue (soemthing our club needs as well).
Remember also that if Boxing Day is off, then our season ticket holders have also lost a game this season that they have theoretically paid for
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The Northwich v Exeter game has been confirmed as on and will be televised by Setanta...I thought there was some doubt about this last night, though I heard some Vics fans saying they've already played their last game?
The players pay cheque's bounced. There was a players meeting today and now the game is apparently on. I imagine they have decided to play on for the fans farewell, as a pose to connett actually paying them. Who knows with this farce, I still think it will be the last game they play though.
Letting them in for free would be a bit over the top. A discount maybe better. Its not fair on the paying fans to watch vics fans just pop in for free.
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I have to admit I was thinking about this last night, as it could be a good way to get a few more through the gates. I think it would be sensible to let vics season ticket holders in for £5 or somethin?
Either way, glad they get to play their last game.
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I've got to be honest, if ever the situation was reversed and I touch wood ;) and pray to God it would never hapen, but if ALty when titis up like that I can't think of anything more depressing than then going to watch Vics in the conferefnce for the rest of the season, even if it was in a relegation fight.
Do you not think so? :P
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I've got to be honest, if ever the situation was reversed and I touch wood ;) and pray to God it would never hapen, but if ALty when titis up like that I can't think of anything more depressing than then going to watch Vics in the conferefnce for the rest of the season, even if it was in a relegation fight.
Do you not think so? :P
Ballers,
Have to concur with you on this one.
I have spent far too many afternoons and evenings loathing Vics to consider ever even watching them as a 'neutral'.
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I mean, us gone, out of the conference, just watch Northwich enjoying themselves, bloody hell!
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Latest news from the Northwich Guardian:
"MIKE Connett says he has done all he can to save Northwich Victoria.
The Vics chairman issued a statement this afternoon, Thursday, pleading for any potential saviour to come forward now.
It read: "I have tried everything possible to keep this football club running over the last three years but every club needs supporters and, at present, Northwich simply does not have enough.
advertisement"In this division we need home attendances of 1,500 just to break even and we are well short of that.
"If Northwich wants a football club the local community needs to support it - and so do local businesses.
"It is easy for people to criticise and over the last three years some of the personal abuse I have received has been sickening.
"Over the past few months I have been in discussions with various parties who have expressed an interest in buying the football club.
"You cannot run a business on fresh air and no one, to date, has been prepared to enter into a serious negotiation.
"I am told that the Supporters Trust is trying to work out a rescue package. Let me state on the record that I would be more than willing to let the Supporters Trust run the football club.
"The club's finances are in a desperate state. There is no disputing that. There are not enough people coming through the turnstiles. But if the Supporters Trust - or anyone else - is serious about saving this football club the time for talking is over.
"It is time for action."
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Just a thought Mike but did you ever consider that as you were fighting a losing battle trying to double home attendances it might have been wise to reduce your outgoings just a little?
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I'm led to believe that outgoings were reduced to a bare minimum.
Re-arrange the following words into an order *alledgedly*
half single not in a has the past invoice and two a years paid
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Thats far too complicated for me but I heard that they haven't been paying their bills for a while if thats any help.
Its too late for connett to sound sincere now. He still manages to throw the business thing in there. He doesn't mention his egotistical attitude that caused everyone involved in the club to quit and best of all he acts as if its the fans fault that the club has been allowed to be run into the ground.
Honestly, he's clearly played this game before with his various 'failed' companies. He seems to avoid talking about the ground he owns and will sell for a ridiculous ammount in the near future, surely that could save the club?
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Alty have been in exactly the same position with a similar debt to the same people.
Alty's reaction was to pay something off to the IR and make a payment plan..then drastically reduce the wage bill to a level that meant we struggled to finish 13th in the old Unibond...but we stayed alive.
The walrus could have sold his Bentley and set a wage budget based on realistic gates of 600....anything extra would then be a bonus that paid the debt of quicker and the Vics would have sunk to their right level, paid off the debt and be in a position to then use the money that had been spent on the debt to rise again...but that sounds like a business plan and obviously too pie in the sky for connett.
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If I were a Vics fans I couldnt be anything but furious with those comments from the Walrus...to have the cheek to say there arent any fans coming through the turnstiles when hes the reason is just ridiculous!
And to make a plea for people to come and put their money in to save Vics and say "they deserve a club in the local community"...well they still f*cking would have a club if it wasnt for his discraceful ways....sorry but that man is a joke!
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This should had been a memo MC should had recieved when he took over
Mike - Please call 0161 928 1045.Speak to Graham Heathcote or Grahame Rowley....they will tell you how to run a self sufficient football club.
To blame the fans for the mess they are in is unbelievable. Makes him look a bit of a prat saying the club needs 1500 to break even, yet a team only 10 miles up the road and above them in the table only gets 1100 at home and makes a profit.
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My Dad Has just been to the northwich crisis meeting and there may be hope yet. Apparently near the end of the meeting a bloke stood up and said he is an ex director of woodley football club and he and his board are going to take over northwich from tomorow!
The club is half a million in debt and they dont own anything. The idea is that these people will take over the club and rent the ground of connett himself!
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Suppose thats abit of good news, this season wouldnt have been the same without the local derby. However, its a bit riskey taking over that much debt in a club really
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It will be really interesting to see what happens there, if it is a serious investor
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My Dad Has just been to the northwich crisis meeting.
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Worst quote from a father to a son since
(http://www.crucialminutiae.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/empirestrikesback.jpg)
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LMAO! :D
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BREAKING NEWS: Vics find their white knight?
By Andrew Simpson
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A GROUP of Manchester businessmen have launched a last-ditch bid to save Northwich Victoria.
Spokesman Jim Rush tonight told supporters that they had reached an agreement with Mike Connett to buy the club.
His revelation was met with spontaneous applause.
"We've shook hands on a deal," he said.
"As long as he Connett sticks to what he has said then we will go forward from here."
Rush and his four colleagues, which include former Woodley Sports chairman Ian Campbell, now need to persuade HM Revenue and Customs that they are able to pay off at least some of Vics' £350,000 tax bill.
They have hired Bury business advisors DTE to negotiate with the UK's tax department from tomorrow morning, Friday.
"We are a group of football fans who each run small businesses," Rush told fans at a public meeting at the Floatel.
"All of us have been looking to buy into a club for the past 18 months.
"We were going to start out at North West Counties level because we did not expect a Conference National club to be available.
"Obviously the figures are different and we will need more money."
Should their plan work then the club will become tenants of Connett's Beaconet company that owns the Victoria Stadium, much in the same way it is now.
The Guardian understands that arrangement would be rent free until the end of the current campaign.
However the most likely scenario is that Northwich Victoria Football Club (2004) Limited would have to go into administration, meaning Rush's co-operative may be able to pay less than the amount currently owed to HM Revenue and Customs.
For now their immediate aim is to get an adjournment of Wednesday's planned winding-up hearing at the High Court of Justice.
"It's a dream for all of us," said Rush, who revealed only that he owned a leisure business'.
"We want to be involved in football and give this a real go."
11:45pm Thursday 11th October 2007
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It would depend on what they'd get out of the rent agreement with Connett. If they can keep the catering and bar takings, car park fees etc, then they could probably make a go of it.
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Four Northwest business men looking for a club to invest in?
So you want to buy a club that owes £500,000, a contracted £10,000 a week wage bill on players that have currently yeilded 2 points. You'd like to pay rent to the man with a track record of bankcrupcy. You'd like to inherit a fan base of who (guessing) 50% are actually quite keen on leaving MC with a white elephant of a ground and forming a fans club from the bottom?
Of all the clubs to invest in, if you have no emotional ties to Vics, why would you do that?
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We all know Vics spend half their time in the manure and half the time resurfacing smelling of roses.
Another administration and the key seems to be persuading the adjournment of the winding up with the promise that they'll still only pay a percentage of what is owed...mind you as NVFC(2004) have absolutly zero assetts to sell if wound up then it's better than nothing.
It does sound like the 4 business people could have more fun taking a lower placed side currently on a stable footing up through the leagues.
First thing they'd need to do is work out a budget based on crowds of about 700 every other week and be ruthless like Mr Goodwin about it.
If they've any sense of justice they'd also look at an alternative groundshare once the rent free period at the VS has expired and shaft the walrus good and proper!
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Seeing as though they have no hopers like carl furlong on contracts my only question is how will they cut the ten grand weekly budget and still have any players to fulfil fixtures at the end of it?
How do you get rid of these players? Ballers perhaps you can help?
If they have shaken hands with connett on this then I wouldnt be suprised if it goes to the dogs, a connett handshake is worth about as much as a season ticket to colne dynamoes!
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The only way you get rid of these players is to make them an offer Beavs.
"Look, you aren't in my plans (i.e you won't play here again for me) so here is £5,000, we'll release and say you'll be a great asset to someone else even though you're an arse. If you refuse and then sit here and take the weekly money you'll get fat, people will forget about you and you'll be that player that sat in the stand at Vics for 6 months"
They usually take the offer when its put in front of them.
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"Look, you aren't in my plans (i.e you won't play here again for me) so here is £5,000, we'll release and say you'll be a great asset to someone else even though you're an arse. If you refuse and then sit here and take the weekly money you'll get fat, people will forget about you and you'll be that player that sat in the stand at Vics for 6 months"
so thats where justin bowler is .....
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The only way you get rid of these players is to make them an offer Beavs.
"Look, you aren't in my plans (i.e you won't play here again for me) so here is £5,000, we'll release and say you'll be a great asset to someone else even though you're an arse. If you refuse and then sit here and take the weekly money you'll get fat, people will forget about you and you'll be that player that sat in the stand at Vics for 6 months"
They usually take the offer when its put in front of them.
Having read that, i'm with you, the worst investment in the world. It will cost them a fortune just to get a realistic wage budget. No fans will come through the door whilst they play in the 'connett arena' and their realistic playing squad will get trounced week in - week out.
Surely these investors would be better by spear-heading an AFC club next season and getting them to rise salmon-like through the pyramid?
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NVFC will never die ;D
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How do you get rid of these players? Ballers perhaps you can help?
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Teasy, I'm not a professional hitman mate. Not sure why I could be of any use?
That said, if that fat T**t Brayson was still there I'd be prepared to try and give it a go for nowt.
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How do you get rid of these players? Ballers perhaps you can help?
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Teasy, I'm not a professional hitman mate. Not sure why I could be of any use?
That said, if that fat T**t Brayson was still there I'd be prepared to try and give it a go for nowt.
I was actually hoping you may have an understanding of contracted players and how NVFC will be able to reduce their wage bill?
Do you think any of them would just give up their contracts at the clubs request or play for nowt?? My sympathy is waining slightly and, christmas aside, i'd be quite happy for them to form a successful AFC club.
Ps. I heard you were a stealth in the night with a 9mm + silencer?
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Lets hope Northwich Survive and then we can have some more good LOCAL encounters.Alty needs teams like Northwich
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Anyone who is contracted can only go in this dam transfer window, unless you nullified the contract by breaking it (i.e. not paying wages) so I think anyone intending to sit on their arse and collect their money would have to bear in mind they'd be there for 6 months, not like you can just go somewhere in March.
You do have to keep yourself in the shop window so to speak...even if you are sit doing f***all in it..
Dunno really.