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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: GolfRoader on November 03, 2013, 08:35:49 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f26ObLTcBig&feature=c4-overview&list=UU37zIaEBaIZYrJFbGNvgIdw
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No Ref assessor today - that's mental >:(
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It was 10 V 12 players to be more accurate
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It was 10 V 12 players to be more accurate
Add the missing of the handball by the useless wanker on the line, who MUST have had a clear view, and it's 10v13.
I understand the logic behind Perry for Reeves (though it was futile), but no explanation of subbing Clee with Smikle.
Otherwise, a good interview which proves that Lee was at least watching the same match as me.
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lee sinnott is the man to get us out of
this league how and when can not be
far off
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Referee described it as "undue force". So is he saying the tackle was technically fine but too strong??
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Referee described it as "undue force". So is he saying the tackle was technically fine but too strong??
By undue force he is suggesting that the force of the challenge was disproportionate or excessive and therefore, in his opinion, likely to endanger the safety of an opponent.
Before I get slaughtered this is NOT my perception as I didn't see the challenge yesterday and have posted this before watching either highlights or Lee's interview. I am just trying to translate some of the double speak and technical drivel which has come into the "art" (or "science" depending on your standpoint) of Refereeing recently into something vaguely resembling English
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Referee described it as "undue force". So is he saying the tackle was technically fine but too strong??
By undue force he is suggesting that the force of the challenge was disproportionate or excessive and therefore, in his opinion, likely to endanger the safety of an opponent.
Before I get slaughtered this is NOT my perception as I didn't see the challenge yesterday and have posted this before watching either highlights or Lee's interview. I am just trying to translate some of the double speak and technical drivel which has come into the "art" (or "science" depending on your standpoint) of Refereeing recently into something vaguely resembling English
Well once you've seen it Phil, I'll be amazed if you can justify his interpretation......and the push that wasn't deliberate. A push is a deliberate movement, as opposed to a "coming together" surely ?
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Referee described it as "undue force". So is he saying the tackle was technically fine but too strong??
By undue force he is suggesting that the force of the challenge was disproportionate or excessive and therefore, in his opinion, likely to endanger the safety of an opponent.
Before I get slaughtered this is NOT my perception as I didn't see the challenge yesterday and have posted this before watching either highlights or Lee's interview. I am just trying to translate some of the double speak and technical drivel which has come into the "art" (or "science" depending on your standpoint) of Refereeing recently into something vaguely resembling English
Well once you've seen it Phil, I'll be amazed if you can justify his interpretation......and the push that wasn't deliberate. A push is a deliberate movement, as opposed to a "coming together" surely ?
Two points spring to mind here, both of which refer to the Laws of the Game
Firstly re the interpretation. The LoTG say "in the opinion of the Referee" I would venture to suggest that he was in a minority of (probably) one in formulating that opinion
The caveat here is that his angle is different to that of AltyTV but, even so, it was a somewhat "individual" interpretation
Secondly, re the push (Boring bit coming up now - sorry) Law 12 (Fouls and Misconduct) refers, as the title suggests, to offences which can be punished by a free kick. The only offence which has to be intentional is handball (there is a whole chapter of discussion as to how you categorise deliberate handball but that is for a different time and place) Hence, even an unintentional trip or PUSH should, in law, be penalised with a direct free kick and if in the Penalty Area therefore a Penalty Kick
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Our Lino "See me ref thru the season, the high & lows of a match official Level 3A Contributory Ref & 3F Assistant and FA assessor"
The one with no hair on Saturday...
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Our Lino "See me ref thru the season, the high & lows of a match official Level 3A Contributory Ref & 3F Assistant and FA assessor"
The one with no hair on Saturday...
and who forgot his boots
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The fact that there wasn't an assessor in attendance is a bloody disgrace in itself. How come these bloody referees see incidents differently to everybody else in the grounds? (I will tell you. Probably taught/directed by my friend Ross Joyce aka The attention seeker).
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Undue force is just a terrible reason. I think the Ref is fobbing us off with that one.
How do you even define undue force?
I would think Alty have a good case for an appeal based on that evidence. Doesn't change the result, but could mean we don't lose Simon for a further 3 games.
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i still don't understand if it's the refs job to allow a goalkeeper time to line his wall up. No one has given me an answer to that yet.
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I can't say for sure but I think it is. I think once the ref has told the team taking the freekick to wait for the whistle, the convention is that the ref ensures the wall is back ten yards and allows the keeper to line up the wall and take up his position, then blows the whistle.
It's one thing for an attacker to catch a keeper out with a quick freekick but when the ref does it, that's disgraceful.
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But it might only be a convention. It's handing some advantage back to the team that conceded the free-kick.
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Agreed. But if you're going to break with the convention, you should let everyone know that in advance.
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It is indeed only a convention and, in law the Referee is allowed to permit a free Kick to be taken whenever he/she wishes.
However, it would be insulting to a Schoolboy/Girl Referee to describe Mr Salisbury allowing the Free Kick to be taken when he did as a Schoolboy error.
A Referee who permits this to occur is storing up so many problems for themselves it is beyond description and basic referee course candidates are advised VERY STRONGLY that they should NEVER do this
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Lee Sinnott is a poor manager of players, how he has managed to get disruption into such a positive side early on in the season i will never understand, he could'nt motivate a macc fan next to a sheep on heat!!! he is not the man to take us up, we have good quality for this level but i fear when it comes to crunch matches like play off games and promotion contenders we do not perform consistantly at all, he will get season after season here though as we are a nesting club.
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Mister Flynn needs to adopt a more Paxmanesque approach.
Tame stuff.
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Lee Sinnott is a poor manager of players, how he has managed to get disruption into such a positive side early on in the season i will never understand, he could'nt motivate a macc fan next to a sheep on heat!!! he is not the man to take us up, we have good quality for this level but i fear when it comes to crunch matches like play off games and promotion contenders we do not perform consistantly at all, he will get season after season here though as we are a nesting club.
How can you possibly know whether the squad has been disrupted? Are you basing this on Clee and Reeves being disappointed at coming off? Sounds like that's a natural reaction for most motivated players to me. We played poorly in one play off game last year. It happens. We went on a great run to secure our play off place and beat one of the championship contenders in Brackley a couple of weeks ago so there are crunch matches that he's led us through fine.
The standards set on here are impossible at times. I don't think Some people will be happy until we're 20 points clear at the top of the table.
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Provided there's only six games to go ;D
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What I find somewhat disappointing is that it would seem that there was never any question of bringing on one of the youngsters. It was clear - and seems clear to the manager too, from the way he spoke - that Wilkinson was knackered well before the end of the game but no move was made to replace him. The boy Gilroy has now been on the bench half a dozen times without getting even a sniff of a chance; some of us would like to see what he can do, rather than have confirmed to us what older players can't do. I don't often quarrel with the management - they are far better qualified than I - but on this occasion I do think they got it wrong.
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We have good quality at this level says are we human , Sinnot put most of this squad together yet he not good enough manager to get us up ? Agree made bad sub's on Saturday but when he gets sub's right no one says well done .
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It's hard to make good subs with such a small squad but in fairness to the people on here many gave him credit for the subs he made at Worcester which won us the game and the second half v guiseley
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We've only got 14 good enough players. Anyone could pick an 11 that would won 70% games. Trouble on Saturday that 3 of the 14 were unavailable.
As good as the changes against Guisley were Saturday were disasterous.
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Mister Flynn needs to adopt a more Paxmanesque approach.
Tame stuff.
I was thinking the same myself.... professional and diplomatic as Brian Flynn is and no offence to his undoubted talents disgracefully unnoticed by SKY and BBC etc....and I was wondering if we could have a guest interviewer for alty TV and I'd like to nominate VofD ....then we'd get some interesting questions.... ;D ;D ;D
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We've only got 14 good enough players. Anyone could pick an 11 that would won 70% games. Trouble on Saturday that 3 of the 14 were unavailable.
As good as the changes against Guisley were Saturday were disasterous.
I agree I was just trying to explain that fans do give him credit
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Lee Sinnott is a poor manager of players, how he has managed to get disruption into such a positive side early on in the season i will never understand, he could'nt motivate a macc fan next to a sheep on heat!!! he is not the man to take us up, we have good quality for this level but i fear when it comes to crunch matches like play off games and promotion contenders we do not perform consistantly at all, he will get season after season here though as we are a nesting club.
How can you possibly know whether the squad has been disrupted? Are you basing this on Clee and Reeves being disappointed at coming off? Sounds like that's a natural reaction for most motivated players to me. We played poorly in one play off game last year. It happens. We went on a great run to secure our play off place and beat one of the championship contenders in Brackley a couple of weeks ago so there are crunch matches that he's led us through fine.
The standards set on here are impossible at times. I don't think Some people will be happy until we're 20 points clear at the top of the table.
we played poorly in plenty of games last season, and this season already too...only this is a far worse league than last seasons.
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If you go into a campaign with a small squad there is no room for error and 2 of his summer signings are not good enough smickle and perry and he shouldev released Rodgers however due to the fact we don't have enough defenders perhaps just aswell they kept Rodgers despite his lack of quality
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Lee Sinnott is a poor manager of players, how he has managed to get disruption into such a positive side early on in the season i will never understand, he could'nt motivate a macc fan next to a sheep on heat!!! he is not the man to take us up, we have good quality for this level but i fear when it comes to crunch matches like play off games and promotion contenders we do not perform consistantly at all, he will get season after season here though as we are a nesting club.
How can you possibly know whether the squad has been disrupted? Are you basing this on Clee and Reeves being disappointed at coming off? Sounds like that's a natural reaction for most motivated players to me. We played poorly in one play off game last year. It happens. We went on a great run to secure our play off place and beat one of the championship contenders in Brackley a couple of weeks ago so there are crunch matches that he's led us through fine.
The standards set on here are impossible at times. I don't think Some people will be happy until we're 20 points clear at the top of the table.
we played poorly in plenty of games last season, and this season already too...only this is a far worse league than last seasons.
If you're only looking for negatives you can find loads, It's not a skill.
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To some people on this Forum, finding negatives isn't a skill, it's an art form >:(
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To some people on this Forum, finding negatives isn't a skill, it's an art form >:(
Even Sunderland fans can find a negative ;)
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/watmore.832564/ (http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/watmore.832564/)
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To some people on this Forum, finding negatives isn't a skill, it's an art form >:(
its been going on for years it's a little like déjà vue instead of graham it's lee and instead of twiss it's perry
Yawn
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Things are all bright and rosey etc 8)
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To some people on this Forum, finding negatives isn't a skill, it's an art form >:(
its been going on for years it's a little like déjà vue instead of graham it's lee and instead of twiss it's perry
Yawn
well said but those that shout loudest are always negative.i have only watch Altrincham for about five years so probably aren't able to comment like some but these seem like very exciting times at the moment. this place has too many internet managers. couple more wins and lets get back up top