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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: dino on August 26, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
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what is most concerning about our current predicament in my opinion is the abscence of leadership from the management when things are obviously not working out.Instead of a few tweeks or fine tuning to the system we are exposed to a tirade of foul mouth abuse against certain players, the officials or any supporter who dares to question anything.leadership in todays game is surely more subtle than this?We all need to pull together monday,and hopefully with a little more nous from the bench we will get a result.
As regards expectations at the club,most of us are sensible enough to realise that merely avoiding the drop will be a big achievement but sometimes we should raise the ante.Think what you might about our neighbour from Droylesdon,but at least he talks a good game even though he probably doesnt believe it.Went to Hyde/Tamworth last week........we dont want to go back there if we can help it!
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" a tirade of foul mouth abuse"....
What do you expect when you have a foul mouthed, arrogant "I know best", little twerp for a manager ????
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Is personal abuse towards the manager really helping?
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IS ABUSE TOWARDS THE FANS REALLY HELPING?
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IS ABUSE TOWARDS THE FANS REALLY HELPING?
No, but don't you find it just a little hypocritical to then abuse the manager.
If you must criticise - and results show there is room for criticism - have the decency to at least make it even a little constructive.
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Dino you have made 2 posts on here and it seems you are a little vocal in your opinions.
which hole may i ask have you crawled out of?
Which ever it is crawl back in to it.
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to be honest i see nothing wrong with dinos comments what so ever it is "VofD" that seems to be coming up with good-for nothing bullsh*t...like you say, if your gonna criticise make it constructive!
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" a tirade of foul mouth abuse"....
What do you expect when you have a foul mouthed, arrogant "I know best", little twerp for a manager ????
What about the abuse coming from the stand aimed at the officials? Isn't that where you sit and you also had your chance to speak and air your views at this
Everyone is welcome at a Fans' Forum at Altrincham FC (Noel White Suite) to be held on Monday 20th August at 7.30pm. Graham Heathcote and chairman Geoff Goodwin will be amongst the club officials in attendance
Were you there? We lost get over it its another day tomorrow all this doom and gloom cannot be doing to team any good.
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to be honest i see nothing wrong with dinos comments what so ever it is "VofD" that seems to be coming up with good-for nothing bullsh*t...like you say, if your gonna criticise make it constructive!
Fair point i did read it fast whilst doing something else.
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We lost get over it its another day tomorrow all this doom and gloom cannot be doing to team any good.
EXACTLY!!!!
so people like VofD can just f*ck right off....
I SAY WE JUST SING SO F*UCKIN LOUD WITH SO MUCH PASSION THE ALTY PLAYERS GET TERRIFIED OF WHAT WE MIGHT DO TO THEM IF WE LOSE AND SO GIVE THE BEST PERFORMANCE AND WIN 5-0!!!!!
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What about the abuse coming from the stand aimed at the officials?
I think you will find that was originating from Brian Flynn....!
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What about the abuse coming from the stand aimed at the officials?
I think you will find that was originating from Brian Flynn....!
No he couldn't put two f's together
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IS ABUSE TOWARDS THE FANS REALLY HELPING?
VofD, you still haven't answered the question:
Did you attend the meeting last Monday night in order to air your views? I suspect you didn't and I further suspect you just like to hurl abuse from afar. Graham put himself up to be asked anything you wanted to know last week and you (presumably) didn't take him up on that offer. Do you not think it would have been constructive to do so rather than just publicly slagging him off on this forum? I seriously would like to know your response to this.
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IS ABUSE TOWARDS THE FANS REALLY HELPING?
VofD, you still haven't answered the question:
Did you attend the meeting last Monday night in order to air your views? I suspect you didn't and I further suspect you just like to hurl abuse from afar. Graham put himself up to be asked anything you wanted to know last week and you (presumably) didn't take him up on that offer. Do you not think it would have been constructive to do so rather than just publicly slagging him off on this forum? I seriously would like to know your response to this.
As usual with VofD he will remain silent and anonymous. There will always be somebody who knows better and who runs against the grain. VofD will claim to know things we don't, and have his reasons beyond the pitch-side antics of Heathcote, but the truth is he just enjoys being VofD.
Not sure if VofD realises that his boring one-liners reduse him lower than the people they're aimed at, much lower!
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IS ABUSE TOWARDS THE FANS REALLY HELPING?
If people like you are hurling abuse at the manager, yes.
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IS ABUSE TOWARDS THE FANS REALLY HELPING?
VofD, you still haven't answered the question:
Did you attend the meeting last Monday night in order to air your views? I suspect you didn't and I further suspect you just like to hurl abuse from afar. Graham put himself up to be asked anything you wanted to know last week and you (presumably) didn't take him up on that offer. Do you not think it would have been constructive to do so rather than just publicly slagging him off on this forum? I seriously would like to know your response to this.
As usual with VofD he will remain silent and anonymous. There will always be somebody who knows better and who runs against the grain. VofD will claim to know things we don't, and have his reasons beyond the pitch-side antics of Heathcote, but the truth is he just enjoys being VofD.
Not sure if VofD realises that his boring one-liners reduse him lower than the people they're aimed at, much lower!
I think VofD has Forum Turettes: he remains silent for ages then shouts out a load of nonsensicle bilious invective before shutting up for ages again
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You can always rely on VofD for lively debate.
In faiorness he does also speak up when things are going well and congratulates the' little twerp of a manager'.
I've never seen Flynny get animated at a home match or shout obscenities.....a penalty not given, an Alty goal disallowed, a flying rugby tackle on an Alty player goes unpunished and Brian reacts by calmly making notes in his media notebook....he's a bit like Sven.
Mind you away from home I've seen some outrageous behaviour.
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I think VofD has Forum Turettes: he remains silent for ages then shouts out a load of nonsensicle bilious invective before shutting up for ages again
Whether you agree or disagree with VofD's opinions, at least they are from someone who pays to attend Alty games and, therefore in my view, at least carry far more weight than the postings of someone who doesn't.
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Bit unfair that Cult...I'm not attending matches at the moment.
Am I not allowed a say because of my temporary exile?
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Bit unfair that Cult...I'm not attending matches at the moment.
Am I not allowed a say because of my temporary exile?
Jezza,
It was not directed at you.
It was for the attention of Altysmiffy in Scotland, who seems to be an expert on players he hardly ever sees.
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I think VofD has Forum Turettes: he remains silent for ages then shouts out a load of nonsensicle bilious invective before shutting up for ages again
Whether you agree or disagree with VofD's opinions, at least they are from someone who pays to attend Alty games and, therefore in my view, at least carry far more weight than the postings of someone who doesn't.
It doesn't occur to you that some people would like to go to every match but live hundreds of miles away without the money to get to matches, often working and without the money as is saving everything for when he has a wee baby to care for.
As much as I love Alty FC and spread the good word where I live, I still have to prioritise what I can & cannot do.
When I did live locally I was a season ticket holder and I try to say positive and constructive things from the things I see on hear & other sites & reports. I do not slag off players or managers I - as you say - am unable to see first hand.
So get real, idiot.
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I assumed the comment was aimed elsewhere, please don't think I was gett8ng all touchy.
However as I am also exiled, i decided to speak up and campaign for the rights of fellow stay away followers to have their say on things we haven';t seen and offer our opinions on things we have no real knowledge of.
Once I am back at Moss lane however my opinion will be over-ride the stay aways.
We are all Alty fans..lets just love each other....lot of name calling going on which is unbacceptable.
Heathcote in.
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I think VofD has Forum Turettes: he remains silent for ages then shouts out a load of nonsensicle bilious invective before shutting up for ages again
Whether you agree or disagree with VofD's opinions, at least they are from someone who pays to attend Alty games and, therefore in my view, at least carry far more weight than the postings of someone who doesn't.
Out of order! some people have to move away from Altrincham beyond the reach of moss lane. I have a baby on the way, I have a career to think of for that baby's future. I suspect altysmiffy is the same. Not sure any of this relates to the players who we have or haven't seen in an alty shirt. Our opinions should be valued for wha they are.
There's people on this forum who seem to think its either a competition of who knows more about non-league football or who is the best Alty supporter. People need to keep their ego's down. A lot of sh*te gets said on this forum by people who enjoy being anonymous because they wouldn't say it at a game.
VofD is a pleb because his opinions are out of touch with reality. In all fairness to him at least he doesnt come on here trying to create some hierarchy of Alty fans who are more or less important to the fanbase.
If someone is an Alty fan in exile you should be proud they carry the clubs name. I had 200 Nice fans chanting Altrincham against Toulouse on Saturday. I may not have seen Tinson in an Alty shirt yet but I think my opinions on this club count for more than you give credit for.
In short: f**k off!
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Goodwin for Teasy.
& all the very best for the family
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Before you jump down my throat, and as you can see I'm not at the Stafford match, surely the opinions of those that *have* attended the matches do carry more weight when discussing how we've been playing. It's easy to be positive etc when you haven't witnessed the disgraceful performance against Grays or the defending debacle against Exeter.
I do however salute you all for spreading the name of Alty the length and breadth of the country :)
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Before you jump down my throat, and as you can see I'm not at the Stafford match, surely the opinions of those that *have* attended the matches do carry more weight when discussing how we've been playing. It's easy to be positive etc when you haven't witnessed the disgraceful performance against Grays or the defending debacle against Exeter.
I do however salute you all for spreading the name of Alty the length and breadth of the country :)
Its more to do with Cults attitude of 'paying' fans, as if the exiles aren't worthy of having an opinion because we don't pay to go and see the team each week.
I appreciate that a match-goer has a more valid opinion, but i'm not into the whole attitude carried by certain regulars on the forum. I support Altrincham because its me, part of me. Not because it makes me some kind of superfan, I don't care who goes and doesn't each week, its none of my business.
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Before you jump down my throat, and as you can see I'm not at the Stafford match, surely the opinions of those that *have* attended the matches do carry more weight when discussing how we've been playing. It's easy to be positive etc when you haven't witnessed the disgraceful performance against Grays or the defending debacle against Exeter.
I do however salute you all for spreading the name of Alty the length and breadth of the country :)
CB,
Thank you for encapsulating the point that I was trying to make.
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Its more to do with Cults attitude of 'paying' fans, as if the exiles aren't worthy of having an opinion because we don't pay to go and see the team each week.
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I never said that you weren't entitled to an opinion.
All I stated was that someone who is actually attending matches must surely have a more valid opinion than someone who isn't when it comes to discussing the merits of certain players or team formations.
You seem to have overreacted somewhat.
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I knew what you meant Cult, but you didn't express it very well to be fair.
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Cult, I accept that my comments were a little harsh in light of my current mood towards the forum. For this I apologise.
You are correct as I previously mentioned about people being at the game having better judgement. However, its difficult enough for exiled fans, I stand by my other comments regarding certain attitudes on the forum.
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I'm with Beaver on this one. It's bloody hard to care so much and not be directly involved most of the time. Whilst we can't offer a first hand account of what's gone on, we say what we think primarily because Altrincham FC matters a lot to us. In this respect, no individuals point of view is any more or less worthwhile than the next man's.
On a slightly different note, Teasybeaver gets a well earned Goodwin for his efforts getting Nice to sing up for the Alty! Quality! :)
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Well there'd be no use with the forum being here if everyone went all the games as everyone could just speak in the bar or on terraces ??
My only gripe is when people have an opinion on a game that they did not go to. I missed Forest Green Rovers away but managed to get reports from several people but I still would not comment on individuals if I did not see them play.
You can see formations and who has played in what position which you could comment on as you will know the players but I personally don;t agree with slagging off individuals if you were not at the game, mind you I'm not a fan of that full stop but again my opinion. The amount of times I've read "drop a certain player" ... " So and so is useless" and from people that have not actually seen them play or maybe only once or twice, it baffles me.
** This is not directed at anyone in this thread by the way **
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I think we all basically agree then? ???
Don't you just love being an Alty fan! ha ha! ;D
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Don't you just love being an Alty fan! ha ha! ;D
I wish sometimes I could choose which team I want / wanted to support. I really do. ::)
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On a slightly different note, Teasybeaver gets a well earned Goodwin for his efforts getting Nice to sing up for the Alty! Quality! :)
It wasnt easy, firstly being killed by 200 "Nissa" Ultras was only avoided by explaining despite being from manchester i didnt support united or city, i supported AL-TRI-KAM in the cinquieme level of english football. After they stopped laughing a manic chant was let out, to other peoples bafflement.
After scurrying to the toilets to change my keks I returned to find I was now apparently one of them. All this for 13 euros! Incidentally, a Scottish lad I was with was treated to a belting rendition of flower of scotland by the whole stadium, it seems its one of their songs. In true Alty style i obliged to sing "Gav Price of Scotland..He scores a goal!"
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Teasy....I watched Nice v Rennes last week on Setanta-I had small winning bets on Nice to lead at half time & the game to end in a draw.The ground looks quite interesting.....fairly basic by Le Championnat standards but a proper football ground with a decent atmosphere.
A fantastic win in Marseilles on wednesday by the way!
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Teasy....I watched Nice v Rennes last week on Setanta-I had small winning bets on Nice to lead at half time & the game to end in a draw.The ground looks quite interesting.....fairly basic by Le Championnat standards but a proper football ground with a decent atmosphere.
A fantastic win in Marseilles on wednesday by the way!
Flynny,
You need to get a job!
Haven't you got some ironing to be getting on with?
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A job.....& a life!!!
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Well there'd be no use with the forum being here if everyone went all the games as everyone could just speak in the bar or on terraces ??
My only gripe is when people have an opinion on a game that they did not go to. I missed Forest Green Rovers away but managed to get reports from several people but I still would not comment on individuals if I did not see them play.
You can see formations and who has played in what position which you could comment on as you will know the players but I personally don;t agree with slagging off individuals if you were not at the game, mind you I'm not a fan of that full stop but again my opinion. The amount of times I've read "drop a certain player" ... " So and so is useless" and from people that have not actually seen them play or maybe only once or twice, it baffles me.
** This is not directed at anyone in this thread by the way **
Agree with this. When people say "I wasn't at the game but i think that so and so was crap" or "my source today said so and so was sh*te" i think they just have opinions and are jus chattin sh*t basically. This is what pisses people off most about stuff. Constructive criticism is all good. Come on the Alty.