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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: oneedham on November 14, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
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Formation was completely wrong second half. Should have stuck with 4-4-2 with Col and Senior upfront, there one two’s in the 1st half caused a lot of problems. I am guessing Graham changed it to stop there midfield from playing, but it just did not work. In that second half apart from Little dropping deep we had no player that could slow the game and pass the ball around in Midfield. Lawton was OK, but him and Danylyk can not take control of games, they just panic and kick the ball. Owens looked as if he didn’t want to be on the pitch and looked lost to be fair. Guessing Denham was struggling because if not then it was another crap sub because he was awesome in the first half. Densmore’s season is getting worst, he was horrendous today for the whole 90mins,he deserves to be dropped from the team for a while until he sorts his head out. Only problem with that is Smith would have to go there and we need his pace at centre half. I am really wasting my money at the moment watching this sh*te, we were yards of there players and the pace second half, the commitment in closing down there men was poor. First 30 mins we closed down well, after that we were lazy. Players need to look at themselves and start playing with some f**king heart !!!
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Having said all that i thought coburn was outstanding again today he basically earnt us another point
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Poor performance from Alty toady apart from Coburn. We can count ourselves lucky with a point because they completely controlled the 2nd half and carved us open numerous times. Youngy had an absolute stinker, he was skinned at least 3 times and had it not been for some great saves from Stuart and their poor finishing we could have been looking at a scoreline like last seasons.
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AND TO ADD INSULT IT COST AN EXTRA £1 TO GET IN !!
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Problem is that we have raised the bar to high and now people don't like it when we struggle.
Without Kearney we have no clue in midfield so everything has to go long. The ball doesn't stick up front.
Lets not write Owens off after 20 mins in an unfamilar position. I know we write people off here after 20 mins as par for the course but at least let them have a go where they play.
FGR were the better team for 70 mins today. In the other 20 we looked like we had enough to bury them. We didn't play well today. I actually thought they looked OK and they won't go down.
As Wayne said, credit to Stuart for getting us a point today. Mention for Aaron Burns as well, in the first half he was excellent.
We did get a point today by the way.
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Agreed
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AND TO ADD INSULT IT COST AN EXTRA £1 TO GET IN !!
Eh?
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Don't judge Owens in 20 minutes of game, we did that with Clee and he has improved 200%.
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Cost me £14 in the stand last time & £15 today!
Anyway big problem to me appears to be lack of passion and commitment not just team selection. We could have been clean out of sight if we had carried onlike the first 20 mins but we sat back and to be fair like everyones saying FGR did play good attacking football but - god knows what would have happened had they scored the sitter they missed after 5 secs!! They just kept going and pressing up.
Colin's no more than an impact player now - last 20 mins only I'm afraid we can't afford to live on his past exploits,
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Must have been a mistake last time, its been £13 to stand and £15 to sit all year...
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Only Alty could not sustain a 2 nil lead against FGR...
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How many times must we have to hear this guff that Kearney controls the midfield? Heathcote quite clearly issues instructions to the likes of Danylyk to hold a defensive midfield role rather than be more attacking. Take today, it was obvious that Danylyk in the second half was instructed to stick to Smith to stifle him. For me Clee did more running in the time he was on than Burns did all match! (Unfit and uninterested half the time!) Our defence were certainly left wanting today and the normally so reliant Young was poor (in fact to shout at the crowd who were giving him some stick showed for me that his head was not on the game). Even Colin Little hurled some abuse so it is quite evident that the constant barracking from the side is having a negative impact.
Though I'm not always a big Stu Coburn fan, I must applaud him today for his outstanding contribution which on its own earned us the point. To be fair, if we had put the early chances away in first half (Senior having 2 gilt edged opportunities) the game would have been settled.
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but unfair on col little he well in dropping deep and set up some good chances.maybe if he had the chances he would of took them .thats wat hes good at.anyway a point is better than none
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I think I'll call it a day for tonight.
In the match I saw in the first half, Aaron Burns chased everything down the left and put it two brilliant crosses. Other people around me also said how well he was doing so its not just me who is crackers.
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As I have always believed football is about individual opinions, everyone is entitled to theirs and I would not suggest anything different but from my own viewpoint in the second half Burns had little impact and appart from a bursting run prior to being substituted appear lazy and lacklustre.
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Its all about individual opinions. I think he tired in the second half and I agree he was not effective at all. I thought you meant all match.
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Must have been a mistake last time, its been £13 to stand and £15 to sit all year...
She's comparing the price to last season when we got beaten 2-5.
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Must have been a mistake last time, its been £13 to stand and £15 to sit all year...
She's comparing the price to last season when we got beaten 2-5.
How incredibly stupid of me. Get ya now.
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In the match I saw in the first half, Aaron Burns chased everything down the left and put it two brilliant crosses. Other people around me also said how well he was doing so its not just me who is crackers.
I agree Ecky, I thought Burns put some good balls in, worked hard and looked lively.
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I was happy with a point at the end. ... It stopped a losing run,
The pitch was really heavy and I think the difference between full and part time is accentuated when the pitch is heavy...
Young didnt have his best game, but usually he is a rock. I thought Danylick and Lawton put in a decent shift today.
Senior was ok but sadly Colin would only be a sub if I picked the team.
Coburn would be the first name on my team sheet. The guy gets us out of the sh*te game after game.
I thought Burns was ok for 45 mins but he was seriously blowing out of his ass when he got took off.
I can only asssume Chrissy Denham is not fully fit after injury otherwise why would GH take him off.
It has to be said Kearney is a big miss in the midfield.
Give the young lad Owen a break he only bloody joined the club about 48 hrs ago.
I wish we could close down the opposition midfield down quicker but as I say that may be down to fitness levels.
Its not the end of the world drawing with FGR they are not a bad team (they battered us 5 - 2 last season)
Keep the faith. We are 11th in the BSP. we would have been singing from the rafters this time last season.
See you at Chester. (if they are still trading)
Cmon Alty.
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I was happy with a point at the end. ... It stopped a losing run,
The pitch was really heavy and I think the difference between full and part time is accentuated when the pitch is heavy...
Young didnt have his best game, but usually he is a rock. I thought Danylick and Lawton put in a decent shift today.
Senior was ok but sadly Colin would only be a sub if I picked the team.
Coburn would be the first name on my team sheet. The guy gets us out of the sh*te game after game.
I thought Burns was ok for 45 mins but he was seriously blowing out of his ass when he got took off.
I can only asssume Chrissy Denham is not fully fit after injury otherwise why would GH take him off.
It has to be said Kearney is a big miss in the midfield.
Give the young lad Owen a break he only bloody joined the club about 48 hrs ago.
I wish we could close down the opposition midfield down quicker but as I say that may be down to fitness levels.
Its not the end of the world drawing with FGR they are not a bad team (they battered us 5 - 2 last season)
Keep the faith. We are 11th in the BSP. we would have been singing from the rafters this time last season.
See you at Chester. (if they are still trading)
Cmon Alty.
Good, sensible post. Have a G.
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How many times must we have to hear this guff that Kearney controls the midfield? Heathcote quite clearly issues instructions to the likes of Danylyk to hold a defensive midfield role rather than be more attacking. Take today, it was obvious that Danylyk in the second half was instructed to stick to Smith to stifle him. For me Clee did more running in the time he was on than Burns did all match! (Unfit and uninterested half the time!) Our defence were certainly left wanting today and the normally so reliant Young was poor (in fact to shout at the crowd who were giving him some stick showed for me that his head was not on the game). Even Colin Little hurled some abuse so it is quite evident that the constant barracking from the side is having a negative impact.
Though I'm not always a big Stu Coburn fan, I must applaud him today for his outstanding contribution which on its own earned us the point. To be fair, if we had put the early chances away in first half (Senior having 2 gilt edged opportunities) the game would have been settled.
Are you the only one that feels this way? I am a massive Coburn fan, and I think most Alty fans are. I'm not 'having a go', just surprised.
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With Crowell being deported I think Little is now the perfect playmaker.
Never really know with Col if's he's bobbins at times or just on another level. But today showed he's not quick enough.
When Kerney's back that means eiiher Danylyl or Lawton's out so let Little be playmaker for Denham/Senior
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I can't believe that Robbie Williams has not been mentioned on here. In my opinion he played far worse than Young, ok he scored but i think if Young or Welch had that space and sort of delivery to them they would have scored too. He got so bad towards the end i heard alot of the players getting on his back. He always looks so nervous . Anyway enough on him, we got a point, we are 11th and if we keep going we should stay in mid-table and i would be more than happy with that. I do think we are light of a striker and Dale is a big loss, but with our finances we will struggle to get anyone of any worth in. We miss Kearney but what team wouldn't, we all know we can't afford to have cover for someone of his quality. Lets hope when he gets back he is fresh and it lifts the team. One more thing Stu Coburn was magnificent today, he earned us the point and hopefully will carry on this for a long time.
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Given that Kearney's absence was self inflicted through poor discipline, why should he stroll back into the team? If the side are picking up points then he should bide his time and perhaps realise the pressure we have been put under due to a moment of recklessness. The manager goes into print about the players having to work for their money then in that case there should be no favourites. The reality however will be somewhat different......
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Given that Kearney's absence was self inflicted through poor discipline, why should he stroll back into the team? If the side are picking up points then he should bide his time and perhaps realise the pressure we have been put under due to a moment of recklessness. The manager goes into print about the players having to work for their money then in that case there should be no favourites. The reality however will be somewhat different......
The principle is quite laudable but in practice this has to be a wind up right???
Kearney in midfield allows us to hold onto possession rather than it looking like an outdoor pinball machine which, at times it did today.
No criticism of Robbie or Anthony - that isn't their game. You have to pick the best players you have as and when they are available to you and Tom Kearney falls into the category of our better players
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Given that Kearney's absence was self inflicted through poor discipline, why should he stroll back into the team? If the side are picking up points then he should bide his time and perhaps realise the pressure we have been put under due to a moment of recklessness. The manager goes into print about the players having to work for their money then in that case there should be no favourites. The reality however will be somewhat different......
The principle is quite laudable but in practice this has to be a wind up right???
Kearney in midfield allows us to hold onto possession rather than it looking like an outdoor pinball machine which, at times it did today.
No criticism of Robbie or Anthony - that isn't their game. You have to pick the best players you have as and when they are available to you and Tom Kearney falls into the category of our better players
Agreed Phil, Tom Kearney is clearly one of the first names on the teamsheet when available.
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Though I'm not always a big Stu Coburn fan,
UNBELIEVER!!!
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I did not mean to sound like that it was Owens's one and only chance, just thought he did not give much when coming in, he was out of position but felt he could have given a little more heart. I love players giving it there all. To add to the Burns debate, I thought in the first half he put in 2 or 3 quality crosses, the best all season, which I have not seen from Clee. I still think we need another left winger, get Logan back ha ha
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I was happy with a point at the end. ... It stopped a losing run,
The pitch was really heavy and I think the difference between full and part time is accentuated when the pitch is heavy...
Young didnt have his best game, but usually he is a rock. I thought Danylick and Lawton put in a decent shift today.
Senior was ok but sadly Colin would only be a sub if I picked the team.
Coburn would be the first name on my team sheet. The guy gets us out of the sh*te game after game.
I thought Burns was ok for 45 mins but he was seriously blowing out of his ass when he got took off.
I can only asssume Chrissy Denham is not fully fit after injury otherwise why would GH take him off.
It has to be said Kearney is a big miss in the midfield.
Give the young lad Owen a break he only bloody joined the club about 48 hrs ago.
I wish we could close down the opposition midfield down quicker but as I say that may be down to fitness levels.
Its not the end of the world drawing with FGR they are not a bad team (they battered us 5 - 2 last season)
Keep the faith. We are 11th in the BSP. we would have been singing from the rafters this time last season.
See you at Chester. (if they are still trading)
Cmon Alty.
Top post. Goodwin-worthy.
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I can't believe that Robbie Williams has not been mentioned on here. In my opinion he played far worse than Young, ok he scored but i think if Young or Welch had that space and sort of delivery to them they would have scored too. He got so bad towards the end i heard alot of the players getting on his back. He always looks so nervous . Anyway enough on him, we got a point, we are 11th and if we keep going we should stay in mid-table and i would be more than happy with that. I do think we are light of a striker and Dale is a big loss, but with our finances we will struggle to get anyone of any worth in. We miss Kearney but what team wouldn't, we all know we can't afford to have cover for someone of his quality. Lets hope when he gets back he is fresh and it lifts the team. One more thing Stu Coburn was magnificent today, he earned us the point and hopefully will carry on this for a long time.
That's Williams second goal from a corner isn't it? We always moan about doing nowt from set-pieces, at least he offers that.
I agree though, he often looks nervous. If Welchy can get himself fit and lean I'd like to see him and Young at centre-half with Smith at RB and Densmore in midfield. Either that or 3-5-2 with Densmore and Doughty wing-backs. Basically, I think I Densmore is wasted at RB, and tbf whilst I like Doughty I prefer him at wing-back or left-midfield than at full-back too.
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I can't believe that Robbie Williams has not been mentioned on here. In my opinion he played far worse than Young, ok he scored but i think if Young or Welch had that space and sort of delivery to them they would have scored too. He got so bad towards the end i heard alot of the players getting on his back. He always looks so nervous . Anyway enough on him, we got a point, we are 11th and if we keep going we should stay in mid-table and i would be more than happy with that. I do think we are light of a striker and Dale is a big loss, but with our finances we will struggle to get anyone of any worth in. We miss Kearney but what team wouldn't, we all know we can't afford to have cover for someone of his quality. Lets hope when he gets back he is fresh and it lifts the team. One more thing Stu Coburn was magnificent today, he earned us the point and hopefully will carry on this for a long time.
That's Williams second goal from a corner isn't it? We always moan about doing nowt from set-pieces, at least he offers that.
I agree though, he often looks nervous. If Welchy can get himself fit and lean I'd like to see him and Young at centre-half with Smith at RB and Densmore in midfield. Either that or 3-5-2 with Densmore and Doughty wing-backs. Basically, I think I Densmore is wasted at RB, and tbf whilst I like Doughty I prefer him at wing-back or left-midfield than at full-back too.
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I can't believe that Robbie Williams has not been mentioned on here. In my opinion he played far worse than Young, ok he scored but i think if Young or Welch had that space and sort of delivery to them they would have scored too. He got so bad towards the end i heard alot of the players getting on his back. He always looks so nervous . Anyway enough on him, we got a point, we are 11th and if we keep going we should stay in mid-table and i would be more than happy with that. I do think we are light of a striker and Dale is a big loss, but with our finances we will struggle to get anyone of any worth in. We miss Kearney but what team wouldn't, we all know we can't afford to have cover for someone of his quality. Lets hope when he gets back he is fresh and it lifts the team. One more thing Stu Coburn was magnificent today, he earned us the point and hopefully will carry on this for a long time.
That's Williams second goal from a corner isn't it? We always moan about doing nowt from set-pieces, at least he offers that.
I agree though, he often looks nervous. If Welchy can get himself fit and lean I'd like to see him and Young at centre-half with Smith at RB and Densmore in midfield. Either that or 3-5-2 with Densmore and Doughty wing-backs. Basically, I think I Densmore is wasted at RB, and tbf whilst I like Doughty I prefer him at wing-back or left-midfield than at full-back too.
Give Williams a break, he is one of only 5 players to have scored 2 or more goals this season. Isn't it time we found a few more goals from midfieid and up front, which might take a bit of pressure of the back four & Stuart. I'd look nervous every week if I had to defend for 70 mins or more because our midfield and forwards can't keep hold of the ball long enough to give them a break. Every time the ball went to a midfielder or a forward yesterday, it came straight back again. Rant Over!
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I think we should lay off williams I agree that he does look nervous on the ball and does tend to rush things but its step up from the welsh premier I remember beating teams like tns 5-0 in when we were in the unibond i think the problem is desnmore at right back I think if we are going to do 4-4-2 then densmore should be right midfeild and denham up front with senior we need someone up there who has a physical presence
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I expect the likes of Williams & Young to score from corners as they are in the opposition box for corners. Note Densmore & Danylyk are always left to cover for them at or about half way line. Hence if you're in the thick of the action the law of averages suggests you will bag a couple.
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I understand he is making a step up but when Smith and Welch fit i cant see him being anymore than cover at centre half and someone to throw on upfront in the last 5 minutes of games. I was stood on Burns side in the first half and 3 crosses he put in were just begging to be put in the back of the net. I think in the first half he was arguably our best player. But he still looks less than match fit and i think if we give him time he will be quality. Whoever is saying Colin is only an impact player is ridiculous, he still gives us that touch of class and when he is in form he is still one of the best strikers at this level. Maybe he can only cope with 70 minutes now but we dont have many other options up front to give him a rest.
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yes I agree when fit it should be welch or smith over williams and maybe thats why he's lacking confidence he'd be wanting to keep that place and he's got the pressure of 2 class players coming back but I feel he is good enough cover and he's young so he's only going to get better
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I did not mean to sound like that it was Owens's one and only chance, just thought he did not give much when coming in, he was out of position but felt he could have given a little more heart. I love players giving it there all.
I think you're being a little harsh there Ollie. From my vantage point (Family Stand). I though that whilst he obviously and understandably didn't look a conference midfielder he did try and tackle everything that came his way, he got his big long gangly legs in the way a couple of times and managed to break up the odd attack. He looked eager shall we say.
Burns played well but clearly lacks match fitness as do a few others at the minute. IF we could get him fully fit I reckon we've got a conference standard player there.
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I was actually shocked that we brought on 2 centre halves with not long to go and neither of them ended upfront
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Problem is that we have raised the bar to high and now people don't like it when we struggle.
You are spot on...............a lot a people on the forum of late won't remember the Unibond days when we struggled to beat Frickley at home
We currently have three of the best players at the club out injured or suspended and are also carrying players with knocks / not fully fit. We are part time, have no money, but are out of the bottom four.
Reality check and patience needed by some
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I was happy with a point at the end. ... It stopped a losing run,
The pitch was really heavy and I think the difference between full and part time is accentuated when the pitch is heavy...
Young didnt have his best game, but usually he is a rock. I thought Danylick and Lawton put in a decent shift today.
Senior was ok but sadly Colin would only be a sub if I picked the team.
Coburn would be the first name on my team sheet. The guy gets us out of the sh*te game after game.
I thought Burns was ok for 45 mins but he was seriously blowing out of his ass when he got took off.
I can only asssume Chrissy Denham is not fully fit after injury otherwise why would GH take him off.
It has to be said Kearney is a big miss in the midfield.
Give the young lad Owen a break he only bloody joined the club about 48 hrs ago.
I wish we could close down the opposition midfield down quicker but as I say that may be down to fitness levels.
Its not the end of the world drawing with FGR they are not a bad team (they battered us 5 - 2 last season)
Keep the faith. We are 11th in the BSP. we would have been singing from the rafters this time last season.
See you at Chester. (if they are still trading)
Cmon Alty.
You shall be known from now on as Ray Wise Distance Traveller