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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: im not really here on March 24, 2017, 01:39:21 PM
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Th e job is being advertised - see website
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The club's basic approach to finding a new manager - inviting people to send in their CVs, like it's a desk job in an accountancy firm - appears unchanged. That way of thinking is old-fashioned and far too passive. We should be targeting specific people, including managers currently in work at other clubs (as the best managers tend to be), rather than relying on who gives the best answer to the question 'what's your biggest fault?'.
As I've mentioned before, one guy I'd be looking at is the manager at Curzon. But he won't be a candidate for the job as things stand because it'd need us to approach him and that won't happen.
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There's also the issue of whether the board have the expertise to form a sound judgement.
I know it isn't going to happen because he's one of the candidates but I'd like to see Robbie helping to make the right selection.
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Asking for applications is the normal method throughout football
Also, approaching a manager currently with a Club is a breach of FA rules.
If the guy from Curzon, the guy from Barcelona or the guy from Broadheath Central want to apply then that is their prerogative
An out of work Manager can be approached however
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Asking for applications is the normal method throughout football
Also, approaching a manager currently with a Club is a breach of FA rules.
If the guy from Curzon, the guy from Barcelona or the guy from Broadheath Central want to apply then that is their prerogative
An out of work Manager can be approached however
But clubs can approach another club to ask permission to speak to their manager, and regularly do.
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Asking for applications is the normal method throughout football
Also, approaching a manager currently with a Club is a breach of FA rules.
If the guy from Curzon, the guy from Barcelona or the guy from Broadheath Central want to apply then that is their prerogative
An out of work Manager can be approached however
But clubs can approach another club to ask permission to speak to their manager, and regularly do.
MGS 1 AGS 0
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We may well do that also, but we certainly would make it public.
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"Candidates should have recent managerial experience and be prepared to have Matt Doughty installed as their assistant"
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"Candidates should have current managerial experience of Altrincham FC and be prepared to accept Robbie Lawton as their assistant" would more accurately reflect my expectations.
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Why are interviews being conducted in April? Once again we're going to get the runt of the litter based upon those out of a job at this time of year like evidently happened last season along with the Doughty/Lawton ticket which the chairman appears to be fixed upon.
We've learnt nothing.
What manager worth there salt currently in employment will apply for the job before the season has finished?
I'll be amazed if Doughty doesn't get the gig.
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Why are interviews being conducted in April? Once again we're going to get the runt of the litter based upon those out of a job at this time of year like evidently happened last season.
We've learnt nothing.
What manager worth there salt currently in employment will apply for the job before the season has finished?
I'll be amazed if Doughty doesn't get the gig.
Absolutely nailed it Beez. That was my overriding thought as well. They're "advertising" the position but holding interviews within two weeks. This yet again just shows the ineptitude of the people running the club. It is not acceptable!
We are repeatedly told that the chairman is a good businessman. Any business worth it's salt would either have a very clear image of who they want to be their main manager (as I suspect GR does, but won't say that) or have a robust plan to go out and get the best person available, whilst accepting CVs from all areas.
Interviews should be held 2 weeks after the season finishes in my eyes. Managers in jobs at the moment will know where they stand by then, and we should have had enough time to approach people on our radar and their clubs. It also gives time for an emotionless appointment. This is just common sense.
As things stand I, and a good deal more fans than myself, don't trust the current Chairman and board to appoint the right person.
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Why are interviews being conducted in April? Once again we're going to get the runt of the litter based upon those out of a job at this time of year like evidently happened last season.
We've learnt nothing.
What manager worth there salt currently in employment will apply for the job before the season has finished?
I'll be amazed if Doughty doesn't get the gig.
Absolutely nailed it Beez. That was my overriding thought as well. They're "advertising" the position but holding interviews within two weeks. This yet again just shows the ineptitude of the people running the club. It is not acceptable!
We are repeatedly told that the chairman is a good businessman. Any business worth it's salt would either have a very clear image of who they want to be their main manager (as I suspect GR does, but won't say that) or have a robust plan to go out and get the best person available, whilst accepting CVs from all areas.
Interviews should be held 2 weeks after the season finishes in my eyes. Managers in jobs at the moment will know where they stand by then, and we should have had enough time to approach people on our radar and their clubs. It also gives time for an emotionless appointment. This is just common sense.
As things stand I, and a good deal more fans than myself, don't trust the current Chairman and board to appoint the right person.
Indeed. Unless I have misread/misunderstood the statement, why are we conducting mid-season interviews so close to the end of the season?
What this means is that we have essentially excluded any manager currently managing at a top 8 (ish) club in any division from applying. Even if they wanted our managers job, they wouldn't be going for job interviews during a title challenge or a play off push.
We did exactly the same last season and ended up with Neil Young (although at least we are advertising the job this time). Have we learned nothing?
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The problem is this approach only leads you to the out of work or the chancers.
I'd be much more happy if we were headhunting or indeed if there were specific qualities asked for in the announcement.
I never know exactly what it is we look for in a manager, and I mean Christ there's zero accountability at the club so we can't with a straight face set targets to be achieved.
The big worry is the questions we ask and the answers we get. Does confidence the candidate shows he could do well with a small budget carry greater weight than one who suggests that they can definitely bring success with a bigger budget who knows?
It would be interesting if we advertised in the NLP, the FLP, 'MEN or some daily newspapers what exactly we market the club and the post as.
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Unfortunately I can only see one outcome and that's Doughty and Lawton being given the job after 'interviews'. The chairman again makes reference to the 'upturn in performances and improved results' under the pair in the statement which is a massive clue as is the story underneath the statement which tells us that the current 'temporary' manager is trying to negotiate a deal for Elliot Newby to stay with the club permanently. If I'm wrong and we appoint from outside the club then there are a few candidates that could be a good option,providing they apply obviously!! If we go for experience there's......
Steve Bower and Danny Boshell BPA
John Flanagan Curzon Ashton
John Deacy and Neil Parsley Farsley
Carl MaCauley Witton
or maybe an up and coming manager.....
Tom Baker Trafford
Phil Parkinson Nantwich
Simon Haworth Clitheroe
Chris Wilcock Glossop
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Dennis Greene
David Flitcroft
Steve Davies
Warren Joyce
Gary Brabin
Micky Adams
Are northwest based and out of work but evostick probably wouldn't be entertained by any apart from
Maybe one or two. That said it's an attractive job in terms of club size to the league it'll be competing in and a decent budget
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Dennis Greene
David Flitcroft
Steve Davies
Warren Joyce
Gary Brabin
Micky Adams
Are northwest based and out of work but evostick probably wouldn't be entertained by any apart from
Maybe one or two. That said it's an attractive job in terms of club size to the league it'll be competing in and a decent budget
I wouldn't touch Warren Joyce with a bargepole while like you say I very much doubt three of the others would even think about applying! Dennis Greene maybe an option though.
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Is that the same Dennis Greene who recently left a club who haven't won in 47 consecutive home Saturday matches ? Perhaps we could switch to Sundays....
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Dougie Freedman lives on Aldery Edge and not working.
Knows fuk all about non league but a very good coach
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Is Shaun Reid available? Did a great job at Warrington and knows the level we'll be working at
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If winning merely two of your 16 league games in charge gets you fast-tracked onto the shortlist, then I fear that we may just have set the bar a little low here as regards a key criterion for suitability for the role.
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Matt Doughty should not even be considered. If he'd never played for us he wouldn't even be here now.
Sentiment and friendship have come ahead of the club's best interests.
AGAIN!
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If winning merely two of your 16 league games in charge gets you fast-tracked onto the shortlist, then I fear that we may just have set the bar a little low here as regards a key criterion for suitability for the role.
what is his points ratio vs Young and Harvey out of interest
By the way I fully agree
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I said Flanagan when Young left and I think if we are being bloody serious about this the chairman should be actively pursuing him now.
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Flanagan isn't going to come now if he has any ambition. Let's be realistic. We need someone successful and knowledgable at Evostick Premier level to stop the rot and have us seriously challenging for promotion next year. One step at a time. It's the boards job to pick the right man which is where the problem lies because their form is f**kin sh*te.
From this point, if we were 14th in national north in 2 years time, March 2019, then someone has done a good job.
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I just pray that Interactive Sports are not putting a local man forward as a candidate.
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I just pray that Interactive Sports are not putting a local man forward as a candidate.
top teasing
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I said Flanagan when Young left and I think if we are being bloody serious about this the chairman should be actively pursuing him now.
This. Throw heaps of cash at the man.
We shouldn't be appointing to suit that level. We need to appoint a manager that will be at the very least competent in the National League North once we're back. It's all good bringing someone in who knows the Northern Premier League, but if they can't be trusted to kick on from that and at least get us in to the top half of the North then I don't want to know.
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Not Flanaghan for me: his work commitments result in him turning up to games ten minutes before kick off, as well as leaving training sessions to his assistants. We need someone who not only has the ability and knowledge to get us up, but is fully committed to the role.
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Not Flanaghan for me: his work commitments result in him turning up to games ten minutes before kick off, as well as leaving training sessions to his assistants. We need someone who not only has the ability and knowledge to get us up, but is fully committed to the role.
What ever their set up is, his side have just won 0-3 at Chorley.
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Flanagans curzon winning again. If you could tempt him and matty warburton to come with him now curzon are solidly midtable I'd be more than happy with that. His record is very impressive at such a small club
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I believe the Nantwich manager is well regarded up and coming manager but another roll of dice who nos
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Flanagans curzon winning again. If you could tempt him and matty warburton to come with him now curzon are solidly midtable I'd be more than happy with that. His record is very impressive at such a small club
He's probably taken Curzon as far as he can.
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Flanagans curzon winning again. If you could tempt him and matty warburton to come with him now curzon are solidly midtable I'd be more than happy with that. His record is very impressive at such a small club
He's probably taken Curzon as far as he can.
Probably, but they're far more ambitious than us. Just last week they held a very well received Business Showcase at their Tameside Stadium, inviting local business owners to the club for a night of discussion re. sponsorship opportunities and brand partnerships. Actively seeking things out. The kind of club you'd want to be at, really.
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Curzon now 2-1 down 88 mins
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I believe the Nantwich manager is well regarded up and coming manager but another roll of dice who nos
Nantwich could well be swapping places with us next season so I can't see him wanting to step back down to work for an arse of a chairman.
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Whoever applies will have to be keen, they've only got until Monday to get applications in.
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Whoever applies will have to be keen, they've only got until Monday to get applications in.
What's the rush?! The 'new' manager won't begin his tenure until this season is over so surely the deadline can be a bit later? Like I said in another post it all seems set up ready for Doughty and Lawton to get the job.
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It's quite incredible that the club is actively trying to limit its options in terms of a new manager in this way. Plainly this is to give Doughty the best chance of being the strongest candidate by weakening the potential field.
Whoever the new manager is, the suspicion now will always be that we might have done better if we'd waited till the end of the season, like any sane club would have done.
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Whoever applies will have to be keen, they've only got until Monday to get applications in.
thats a farce
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Whoever applies will have to be keen, they've only got until Monday to get applications in.
thats a farce
Did you really expect it to be any different ? We're firmly on the road to oblivion.
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Ha ha ha, I didn't realise the closing date for applications was so soon. As if any decent manager is going to apply for this job whilst the season is still ongoing. Surely they're going to be concentrating on being successful in their current club until the season ends rather than bailing to join the disaster that's Alty.
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When you read the job advertisement, the current incumbents don't even meet the stated criterion of "having a proven track record of building and sustaining a team that delivers success", so why are they even being considered?
Farce!
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When you read the job advertisement, the current incumbents don't even meet the stated criterion of "having a proven track record of building and sustaining a team that delivers success", so why are they even being considered?
Farce!
I will 'fess up to having written job adverts with the sole intention of appointing an individual I wanted from the outset.
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I think we need to be a bit more creative in these difficult times. Why not go infor job sharing or even better, combining existing jobs. We could have Chairman Manager to give us far more stability.......what is for sure whatever the results he wouldn't get fired or resign.
Please also stop accusing me of being a wind up merchant, this is serious.
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Let's hope bowshell apply now bpa are safe
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I think we need to be a bit more creative in these difficult times. Why not go infor job sharing or even better, combining existing jobs. We could have Chairman Manager to give us far more stability.......what is for sure whatever the results he wouldn't get fired or resign.
Please also stop accusing me of being a wind up merchant, this is serious.
He could probably wear the number 9 shirt too for all the difference it would make.
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When you read the job advertisement, the current incumbents don't even meet the stated criterion of "having a proven track record of building and sustaining a team that delivers success", so why are they even being considered?
Farce!
I will 'fess up to having written job adverts with the sole intention of appointing an individual I wanted from the outset.
Oh Christ, I know it goes on, but you should at least set out criteria that your intended person(s) actually meet!
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When you read the job advertisement, the current incumbents don't even meet the stated criterion of "having a proven track record of building and sustaining a team that delivers success", so why are they even being considered?
Farce!
I will 'fess up to having written job adverts with the sole intention of appointing an individual I wanted from the outset.
Oh Christ, I know it goes on, but you should at least set out criteria that your intended person(s) actually meet!
Oh yes, but its possible to put criteria in that reduces the field to one! Not saying it's right or advisable but it happens.
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I realise there is tough competition but this latest decision is quite possibly the worst that has been made by the board recently.
Normally this stitch-up/cock-up would send people over the edge. I guess we're just used to being treated like mugs now.
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I realise there is tough competition but this latest decision is quite possibly the worst that has been made by the board recently.
Normally this stitch-up/cock-up would send people over the edge. I guess we're just used to being treated like mugs now.
Most of us already went over the edge months ago.
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I think we should change our name to Rowley's rentboys FC, coz we keep getting shafted up the arse !
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Why is this thread titled 'good news'?
As stated elsewhere this is the stupidest timeline with which to 'choose' a decent manager.
Why not wait until the SEASON HAS FINISHED?
Is this incompetence from the board accidental (used to think so), wilfully deliberate (seems most likely these days) or just sheer bloody-mindedness (also likely)?
Haven't new people recently joined the board? Why are they going along with the ongoing shambolic decision making from the top?
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Why is this thread titled 'good news'?
As stated elsewhere this is the stupidest timeline with which to 'choose' a decent manager.
Why not wait until the SEASON HAS FINISHED?
Is this incompetence from the board accidental (used to think so), wilfully deliberate (seems most likely these days) or just sheer bloody-mindedness (also likely)?
Haven't new people recently joined the board? Why are they going along with the ongoing shambolic decision making from the top?
Agreed the managers of Nantwich and Warrington or either Buxton might have been interested after the season ended (at least 2 of the 3 would be). As it is by this deadline I'm sure their only concern is trying to overtake us league wise