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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: DarrenH on November 13, 2007, 09:43:18 AM
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"MyFootballClub has agreed a deal in principle to purchase a controlling stake in Ebbsfleet United FC. Placed 9th in the Conference, Ebbsfleet United FC is one promotion from reaching the Football League for the first time in its history"
Rather them than us.
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Just got that mail myself. Hilarious. Feel really sorry for any Ebbsfleet fans.
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On confguide there does not seem to be much reaction to it.
For me, their club have sold their soul, what was left of it after the name change.
I couldn't watch a novelty club and cheera team picked by random people around the country
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What does this mean for Liam Daish's career as a manager?
Obviously its not his choice that this has happened...but like most of us...i imagine he cant just walk out of a job because of a change in circumstances.
Should Ebbsfleet win the Premiership in five years time...is it because he has done well with them in training and motivated them prior to games, but ultimately NOT picking the team.
Or...if they divebomb, can he claim no responsibility because he hasn't had overall control?
I feel sorry for him...he's in a no win situation.
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My initial thoughts were, amazing, real life football manager. But then when it sunk in and I thought about how we'd feel if it was alty I realised its pretty bad.
There's so many questions they can't answer like what will they do when everyone loses interest? How will they stop a manager imposing his own rule? What if the team gets relegated twice because the decisions made are awful?
I predict a disaster!
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Unreal ...either Ebbsfleet were really in strife financially or they think that this investment will be enough to push them up into the league and guarantee full time football.....but with thousands of sugar daddies involved ?...the manager being compromised? ...local existing fans getting more and more frustrated with team selections made by people all over the country ??? ...apart from Ebbsfleet being Setantas new golden child for the first few games i can only see this long term end up crashing in a big heap ....
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I thought they wanted to buy Halifax. It sounds like an idea doomed from the start.
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What a shame for the Ebbsfleet supporters..not only have they acquired a silly name, but they've now become a disaster in waiting. Also, the conference is now tainted with this nonsense. It'll end in tears......
Bizarre choice...not exactly accessible for these new "supporters", is it?
On a positive note, at least this has steered clear well clear of Alty......
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It does not seem that bad
700k per year from members on top of gate receipts and earnings.
If they get fed up they can sell ! (the club is stronger?)
Thre are a certain number of available players each week that pick themselves as liam Daish suggested ( I am sure it would be moderated for injuries and tiredness etc)?
They would be able buy players or vote on the need to buy players that would be suggested by the management/ board and voted by the members.
The club belongs to fans and members ( I suppose the smaller the club- less are real fans)
What's the difference at Alty?
We have a certain number of fit players that are asked to play each week based on a selection criteria.
Coach replaces subs and dictates tactics. (no change - other than the fact the members would vote on coach replacement.)
On the transfer front we do not buy players (in fact I read recently we have not bought a player for a number of years?) so it would be an improvement.
What is it the downside?
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oh dear oh dear.
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What is it the downside?
Premise One: Most football fans, despite what they themselves may think, don't actually know very much about tactics, team selection, the transfer market etc...
Premise Two: It is generally accepted that someone in charge of a football club should know quite a bit about tactics, team selection, the transfer market etc...
Conclusion: myfootball club is a fundamentally flawed concept.
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The downside is that the club will effectively be controlled by a load of people sat at home on the internet, who are involved for the novelty value rather than any affection for the actual club. The genuine Ebbsfleet fans will be squeezed out I fear.
How many people get involved in a club for the novelty or an ego trip, have big plans, get bored and pull out, leaving the club in a mess? This is exactly the same risk but on a bigger scale.
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Their new strip is announced;
http://www.ebbsfleet.org.uk/
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Oh Dear Oh dear? someone must know quite a lot on this subject? or they presume to know quite a lot?
700k per year a novelty??
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I'm glad they steered clear of Alty.
I feel sorry for the Gravesend & Northfleet fans.
This is one where the manager can say to the fans "you play championship manager at home" and the fans will say..."we are!...and we've just changed our manager!"
An absolutly ludicrous concept for anyone who understands football...for someone who doesn't understand football then it's an absolute cracker of an idea bound to take off and revolutionise the game.
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Oh Dear Oh dear? someone must know quite a lot on this subject? or they presume to know quite a lot?
700k per year a novelty??
If its guaranteed every year then I guess not. But if it isn't...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A29054117?s_fromedit=1&s_type=15&s_sport=football
good grief
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I know a couple of lads at work who've put in. One supports Chelsea, the other Tottenham. They don't have the slightest clue about our level or probably even where Ebbsfleet is. It's just a laugh for them, yes, sure you get some initial publicity but this is surely doomed to failure. I'd hate to see our heritage sold down the river in such a fashion.
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Supporters Direct Statement responding to Myfootballclub.co.uk takeover
Supporters Direct today issued the following statement about the
imminent takeover of Ebbsfleet United Football Club by website
consortium, 'Myfootballclub.co.uk':
Spokesperson Kevin Rye, said: "Fundamentally, playing fantasy manager is
not about responsible democratic supporter representation or community
ownership, which are the core values of the trust movement.
"Indeed we are one of the most vigorous exponents of reform of the
ownership structures in football, but our interests are in long term
sustainability and governance of clubs.
"This might be seen as a one off gimmick, harmless enough by many,
however this is a real football club, these are real finances, and real
fans. The question needs to be asked what happens to the club finances
and its supporters if the novelty starts to wear off?"
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Wonder how long it will take them to decide which players play this week and which dont if they all get a vote on team selection.Thats the managers job.
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God help the REAL fans of the club...you know the ones who have been there thick and thin for years but don't have the cash to splash on this sort of thing. Meanwhilr people who think it's a bit of a lark will take part for a few months until the novelty wears off after a while. They will be left with about 20% of the current owners taking part...over time these will split into two or more factions. Basically they are now walking down the road signposted CHAOS.
Sorry...utterly butterly bonkers idea.
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Christ Supporters Direct are getting involved..now it will get complicated
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Christ Supporters Direct are getting involved..now it will get complicated
Sorry Ecky
Way out of court with that one.
SD are the umbrella organisation for Trusts, there are well over a hundred and the huge majority work exceptionally well, indeed some have saved their clubs from extinction and many others play a huge part in their Clubs existence.
There is a need for regulation in all businesses and the ethos of trusts being transparency the need is hugely tangible. I believe that the statutory requirements of Companies registered under the Companies Acts involve fairly similar amounts of administration and 'red tape' but strangely this barely merits any mention at all
Some Trusts are just not meant to be trusts sadly but really should have either retained or returned to Supporters Association status.
**sorry modified instead of replied..no changes made
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Christ Supporters Direct are getting involved..now it will get complicated
Sorry Ecky
Way out of court with that one.
SD are the umbrella organisation for Trusts, there are well over a hundred and the huge majority work exceptionally well, indeed some have saved their clubs from extinction and many others play a huge part in their Clubs existence.
There is a need for regulation in all businesses and the ethos of trusts being transparency the need is hugely tangible. I believe that the statutory requirements of Companies registered under the Companies Acts involve fairly similar amounts of administration and 'red tape' but strangely this barely merits any mention at all
Some Trusts are just not meant to be trusts sadly but really should have either retained or returned to Supporters Association status.
**sorry modified instead of replied..no changes made
I rest my case.
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When it goes tits up they can form a trust, drop 5 leagues and start again can't they?
Don't know what SD's problem with this is.
In actual fact Trust run clubs leave themselves wide open to this and any other sort of takeover as the new 'consortium' can simply join an exisiting trust and assuming they are in the majority then vote to either close it or take it over.
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I'm just thinking how this is different to a supporters trust run club with say 2,000 memebrs....OK bit different if they're gonna pick the team each week via a internet poll or something but that strikes me as the only difference.
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I'm just thinking how this is different to a supporters trust run club with say 2,000 memebrs....OK bit different if they're gonna pick the team each week via a internet poll or something but that strikes me as the only difference.
The other (big) difference is the people who join a supporters trust do so largely because they care about their actual club. There are people now who own Ebbsfleet who had no idea about them until yesterday, and so the emotional bonds won't be anywhere near as strong.
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I guess time will tell whether it works... the injection of cash into the club can't be ignored, i don't think.
There are also a few other groups doing a similar thing. I read in the paper over the weekend about www.thepeoplesclub.com who are trying to get fans together to buy another club.
If it takes off, maybe a load of clubs will eventually be owned by these kinds of groups?
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Christ Supporters Direct are getting involved..now it will get complicated
Sorry Ecky
Way out of court with that one.
(http://www.yes-minister.com/images/oth_humphrey.jpg)
SD are the umbrella organisation for Trusts, there are well over a hundred and the huge majority work exceptionally well, indeed some have saved their clubs from extinction and many others play a huge part in their Clubs existence.
There is a need for regulation in all businesses and the ethos of trusts being transparency the need is hugely tangible. I believe that the statutory requirements of Companies registered under the Companies Acts involve fairly similar amounts of administration and 'red tape' but strangely this barely merits any mention at all
Some Trusts are just not meant to be trusts sadly but really should have either retained or returned to Supporters Association status.
**sorry modified instead of replied..no changes made
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Apple crumble for you Ballers!
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No. No. NO.
Football is based on an allegiance to one club (ok some people have two but you get my point) with a natural loathing for their most bitter rivals. For us it's Alty, hating Macc, Northwich etc.
So you chip your money and then end up owning part of a club. The most likely sceanario is that it is a club you know very little about and have no affinity with. The worst case scenario is that the group buys your hated rivals. Then what do you do? Carry on and continue playing a part knowing its helping the enemy? OR once the identity of the club is known do a load of other fans steam in work to ruin the club.
This simply will not work in our footballing culture. Utter nonsense.
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I raise my pot noodle to that York Alty!
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I thank you madam.
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Show us your spuds
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we did order 4 kilos of carrots from Tesco.com in error the other day. No spuds, but plenty of carrots.
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York Alty I raise my Cup-a-Soup to that!
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Ian Holloway on BBC website: It's complete madness. They've got to vote every time they pick their team - absolute load of old poppycock, that is. All you need is one leader, one songsheet and away you go.
You need to be at the coalface with the players, day-in, day-out, seeing who's in form and who's not.
Hands up who wants the doors painted blue?
You can't pick the team from a distance and have that many opinions bouncing around. It'll all end in tears.
Well done for putting your £35 up but let the manager get on with the business in hand.
Twenty thousand people running the club - that's going to have to be one hell of a room they book when they hold their annual general meeting.
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Why do this?
Are they in debt?
Absolutely bizarre
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Gravesfleetebbsend are a full time club with similar attendances to Alty. I remember from the commentary of our match against them that they need the money.
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we did order 4 kilos of carrots from Tesco.com in error the other day. No spuds, but plenty of carrots.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
TESCO!!!!!!!!
that is a crime
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I see Ebbsfleet's 20,000 new owners turned out in droves to watch their new baby at Oxford yesterday: 196 of them through the away turnstiles.
It's time the football authorities and the various supporters organisations condemned this nonsense outright, as a decent Club with a decent set of supporters will become a complete laughing stock, and the rest of non league football will be tainted with it as a result. Having already had to deal with the copyists at FCUM, we now have to put up with Rosemary's Baby.
How many of Ebbsfleet's new owners also have shares in other Clubs: is this not against FA rules?
Praise must go to Liam Daish for behaving in such a dignified manner....but then what would you say if your job was suddenly at the whim of 20,000 unseen armchair "supporters"?
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Praise must go to Liam Daish for behaving in such a dignified manner....but then what would you say if your job was suddenly at the whim of 20,000 unseen armchair "supporters"?
Daish seems to be a quite decent manager. I suspect he won't be there too long
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I see Ebbsfleet's 20,000 new owners turned out in droves to watch their new baby at Oxford yesterday: 196 of them through the away turnstiles.
In fairness, that's about 120 more than they would usually take to Oxford and about 150 more than they brought to Moss Lane so a near 300% increase in away support is a good start, if that's replicated for their home matches they'll be getting 2,000+