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[Mrs Warbouys]

I didn't attend Saturday, when I eventually found the score out due to being in the wild of the west lakes I saw Altrincham 1-0 Barrow. A superb result against a club with big ambition, and big pockets. Im as good as the next man/woman at totally losing my sh*t at football games, but seriously what the hell is going on? I'm not surprised the manager is pissed off. It must be like a dripping tap from the back of that mainstand. We aren't a big enough club to have factions. Some people seem to derive pleasure from paying 15 quid to bait the manager, and I don't just mean this manager, all of them in my time, apart from king and McKenna..

Look at where the club is at, compare ourselves to AFC Telford, AFC Halifax, Nuneaton, Dartford, Eastbourne etc. This club/team is making slow and steady progress. Maybe a player be it the managers son or someone else isn't floating eveybodies boat, but slaughtering a young 21-year old midfielder at every turn is never going to help his confidence. If people want a manager out that's delivered steady progress every season he's been here, what do you want in charge? And are you happy for the playing budget to be cut to pay for it. We are all entitled as customers to express displeasure on occasion, but get some perspective. And one question, if kingy was in charge and playing Jeff king, would we see the same sort of abuse? Or Kenny Mc blooding a McKenna Jnr? I doubt it. It's all very well venting on here, that's what it's for, but of we are at the stage of abusing and heckling rather than encouraging when we are actually winning, it's a poor state of affairs.

[Paul Cain's Chip Pan]

I absolutely agree 100% with this post Pete.

[Jimmy]

Although stuff is said on forum the terrace is fairly tame in fact to tame no atmosphere now i also think that the cheer was for who came on which was densmore

[Mrs Warbouys]

More people need to be singing at games, it's dropped off massively in the last five/ten years, which is surprising as people can talk to each other via phones and social media now where as they only used to see each other at football. Let's hope for some decent singing tomorrow night. And I think 99% of the home crowd are supportive most of the time.

[ManagementGuru]

And here is where this attitude makes a (negative) difference: I have supported Alty all my life, I even saw us play in the Cheshire League.  I was at the 8-1 drubbing of Vics in 1969, at Everton, Old Trafford, Wembley, White Hart Lane, Maine Road, St Andrews and went to nearly every match home and away from 1977 to 1980.  I have lived in the South since then but still get to 15 or so matches a season (Woking, Lincoln, Boreham Wood this season so far).  Next year my youngest child leaves home - my fiscal duties are over.

This should give me several thousand pounds a year spare, which might allow me to achieve my ambition of joining the board of the club.  I have been quite successful in business and so I believe I would have a lot to offer, over and above the financial injection.  I am not entirely sure I want to do this now - given whatever I (the club) do I will be pilloried.

We sign a player from the Football League - he won't make the transition to part time football, and he is probably past it
We sign a player from the Conference National - well, if he didn't make it at Barrow / Southport  / Halifax, he is bound to be sh*t
We sign a player from the Conference North - he is unproven at this level and the club has become a joke
We sign a player from the Unibond - does the board not understand how big a club we are to be taking someone from this low down the pyramid
We promote a player from the Youth team - do we have no ambition?  Do we have to rely on kids?
We successfully extend the contracts of the current team - how does this take the club forward?  we are standing still
We perform emergency repairs to a crumbling Chequers end - this is a disgrace, pandering for fans who only come one game  a season.  The money could be better spent
We improve the segregation on the pop side - why are we spending money on the ground when the playing budget needs reinforcing
We don't improve the segregation on the pop side - does the club not realise how the fans are being badly treated by the state of the ground
We spend some money improving the media gantry - why are we spendign money catering for people who dont even bother to come to the ground and listen on Radio Robins?
I encourage my brother who runs a successful local business to sponsor a couple of matches - oh yeah, I bet you he got that on the cheap
I don't encourage my brother to sponsor - he can't even get his own family to invest in the club.  What chance anyone else?
We get drawn at home to Manchester United in the FA Cup and give them Chequers end plus half the pop side - Are we forgetting the loyal supporters, giving away 2000 tickets like that leaving only 2500 for our loyal home support that averages 1200.
We increase the prices for the Man U game - bloody profiteering, thats what it is
We don't increase the prices - this club is so commercially naive - we could have made a killing
We get drawn at home to Woodley Sports in the FA Trophy and segregate - whats wrong with this club?  At games like this I want to be able to change ends at half time
We don't segregate and one fat mouthy T**t from Woodley stands along side the Alty faithful on the Golf Road giving it some - this club has a total disregard for the safety of the fans
We lose the game .....

Now why would I want to get involved in all that?

[York Alty]

Figgy Pudding - hard to disagree.  One Alty.

[markecky]

Good post Pete.

In terms of atmosphere it was a bit flat on Saturday but that is often dictated by the amount of attacks/corners we have which overall was quite few. I don't think it's been too bad in most games and I remember the days of getting 5-6 to stand together to try and get something going.

I'd love to think that the cheer was for Dens but sadly I doubt it. I would also think that the cheer was also preceded or followed by shouting as well.

As I've said in conversation to people, some fans act like Jordan Sinnott is some fat kid that Lee has dragged off the playstation and away from gorging on wotsits all day to get him out of the house.

He is a young 21 year old midfielder still learning his game. He was excellent at Lincoln, away at Welling last season he was dreadful. Sounds to me like a lad with some things still to learn.

He certainly needs to get stuck in more but he does not deserve a lot of what he gets. If you're abusing players coming off (where is the nepotism in subbing your son?) when we are winning you've surely got a bit far away from the reason you've come to the game.

Surely we all go to see mates and see if our team can score more goals than there team don't we? If it happens you're pleased, if it doesn't your a bit sad. If it's Braintree you're really sad.  I worry that some have got a miles away from that now.  Watching Kidderminsters chairman saying it might take another week to get the new man in there after another defeat reminded me of just what we do have here.

I can list a hundred reasons why I think it's better to watch Alty than City or United and I'll do it until my last breath. However one of the few bad things about it is that a small number of people, if they wish, have the power to do a lot of damage.  The shout of one person can start a chain reaction.  Now that the internet allows everyone a voice as well there can be dissent coming from all angles

If we can do our jobs and beat Halifax then we get to the stage in league where we start looking up not down.  I love doing that.

Lee should have said certain sections rather than fans but he seems a pretty level headed bloke to me. Everyone has limits and this has clearly made him think " do I need this?" in the heat of the moment after a game.  He probably didn't think the outgoing player deserved what he heard, the fact it was his son has made him feel it was doubly unfair.  It can't be easy to ignore it all the time when you are getting stick from behind you, football manager or not.

Don't agree with everything Lee has done but I won't agree with everything the next manager does either.  I hope that we don't see the next manager for a good while yet.

[Jenga]

I simply despair at all the negativity sometimes.

LS is holding the fort steady and arguably improving the team.

It is easy to improve a sh*te team. Lets face it before he arrived we were pretty sh*te lol.

As you improve it becomes harder and harder to show improvements and the improvements which are found are smaller. May i liken it to running (sorry), you can knock minutes off a PB when you start, but gradually you become happy when you can knock 15 seconds off or even a second for the faster runners. The same is true in football.

In relation to the singing i think we have suffered due to losing some big voices recently. Also peoples circumstances change and priorities change, the old fans are having kids, getting married and have other priorities, although kiddies corner is growing nicely. But kiddies corner takes the dads away from the singing section.

In three or four games time we could be sitting pretty in the league and sat nicely mid table. That mid table is very close indeed.

[markecky]

I simply despair at all the negativity sometimes.

LS is holding the fort steady and arguably improving the team.

It is easy to improve a sh*te team. Lets face it before he arrived we were pretty sh*te lol.

As you improve it becomes harder and harder to show improvements and the improvements which are found are smaller. May i liken it to running (sorry), you can knock minutes off a PB when you start, but gradually you become happy when you can knock 15 seconds off or even a second for the faster runners. The same is true in football.

In relation to the singing i think we have suffered due to losing some big voices recently. Also peoples circumstances change and priorities change, the old fans are having kids, getting married and have other priorities, although kiddies corner is growing nicely. But kiddies corner takes the dads away from the singing section.

In three or four games time we could be sitting pretty in the league and sat nicely mid table. That mid table is very close indeed.

I'm going to price up a child minder and three bottles of becks for you and see if I can raise the funds.

On a more serious note, let's all make an effort to get behind them in Tuesday. We don't need a row about who should do what but let's play our part.

[Hamilton]

And here is where this attitude makes a (negative) difference: I have supported Alty all my life, I even saw us play in the Cheshire League.  I was at the 8-1 drubbing of Vics in 1969, at Everton, Old Trafford, Wembley, White Hart Lane, Maine Road, St Andrews and went to nearly every match home and away from 1977 to 1980.  I have lived in the South since then but still get to 15 or so matches a season (Woking, Lincoln, Boreham Wood this season so far).  Next year my youngest child leaves home - my fiscal duties are over.

Don't you believe it!  

If you look at how busy he forum used to be compared to now I think the negativity and OTT comments made about managers/players who are not liked I think we have an answer. If fans turn away from the forum because of this how do we think some of the managers/players feel about the same sort of thing.

Lets put Sinnott snr into perspective: Yes, there are times I cannot understand his decisions and sometimes our results and performances under him have been very very frustrating. However, he has brought some very decent players in and has improved our team year after year with steady and sustainable progress.

As for Sinnott Jnr; yes, there are better players, but he has also had some very decent reports on his performances including (iirc) a man of the match award, so I doubt he is all bad.

[Jenga]

I simply despair at all the negativity sometimes.

LS is holding the fort steady and arguably improving the team.

It is easy to improve a sh*te team. Lets face it before he arrived we were pretty sh*te lol.

As you improve it becomes harder and harder to show improvements and the improvements which are found are smaller. May i liken it to running (sorry), you can knock minutes off a PB when you start, but gradually you become happy when you can knock 15 seconds off or even a second for the faster runners. The same is true in football.

In relation to the singing i think we have suffered due to losing some big voices recently. Also peoples circumstances change and priorities change, the old fans are having kids, getting married and have other priorities, although kiddies corner is growing nicely. But kiddies corner takes the dads away from the singing section.

In three or four games time we could be sitting pretty in the league and sat nicely mid table. That mid table is very close indeed.

I'm going to price up a child minder and three bottles of becks for you and see if I can raise the funds.

On a more serious note, let's all make an effort to get behind them in Tuesday. We don't need a row about who should do what but let's play our part.

Point 1) My wife is a childminder.
Point 2) If only i could drink 3 bottles of becks, one and half is my max these days.
Point 3) Would raising funds not detract from the playing budget?
Point 4) Lets all sing Tuesday.

[John Edwards]

Although stuff is said on forum the terrace is fairly tame in fact to tame no atmosphere now i also think that the cheer was for who came on which was densmore

Let's have it right. Much as everyone welcomed the sight of Dens going on, I'm pretty sure he was already stripped and by the pitch ready to go on when the cheer went up. That shameful reaction was in response to number 20 appearing on the board. Echo every word by Pete. Top post - voice of reason!

[markecky]

I simply despair at all the negativity sometimes.

LS is holding the fort steady and arguably improving the team.

It is easy to improve a sh*te team. Lets face it before he arrived we were pretty sh*te lol.

As you improve it becomes harder and harder to show improvements and the improvements which are found are smaller. May i liken it to running (sorry), you can knock minutes off a PB when you start, but gradually you become happy when you can knock 15 seconds off or even a second for the faster runners. The same is true in football.

In relation to the singing i think we have suffered due to losing some big voices recently. Also peoples circumstances change and priorities change, the old fans are having kids, getting married and have other priorities, although kiddies corner is growing nicely. But kiddies corner takes the dads away from the singing section.

In three or four games time we could be sitting pretty in the league and sat nicely mid table. That mid table is very close indeed.

I'm going to price up a child minder and three bottles of becks for you and see if I can raise the funds.

On a more serious note, let's all make an effort to get behind them in Tuesday. We don't need a row about who should do what but let's play our part.

Point 1) My wife is a childminder.
Point 2) If only i could drink 3 bottles of becks, one and half is my max these days.
Point 3) Would raising funds not detract from the playing budget?
Point 4) Lets all sing Tuesday.

I fear I may be suffering from Teaser Confusion.

[distancetraveller]

For a part time outfit i feel we do all right.. Were doing ok after what was a pretty sh*tty opening 10/12 fixtures and we do have to take into account the horrendous injury list we have had for the opening quarter of the season.We try to play the game the right way and when it comes off it is indeed pleasant on the eye..

If someone has a bee in their bonnet about certain players then whatever they do they will never be given any credit..

Some folks love a moan and if they choose to air their grievance on this forum then so be it.. What we dont need is the same folks churning out the same crap every time they logon.

--Make your point by all means but we dont need reminding each and every day ffs

The lads need encouragement and support not negativity..

[Jenga]

Point 1) My wife is a childminder - TRUE
Point 2) If only i could drink 3 bottles of becks, one and half is my max these days. - FALSE
Point 3) Would raising funds not detract from the playing budget? - TEASING
Point 4) Lets all sing Tuesday. TRUE

I hope that clears up the confusion :-)