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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on April 22, 2021, 10:37:22 AM
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Assuming no one if back from injury the only addition to available players is Kirby.
Thompson
Senior Mularkey Hanningan Ogle
Smith Moult
Ceesay Hancock Coclough
Bell
Subs : Richman, Mooney, Kirbly, Williams, Piggott.
If Hampson, Kosylo or Hardy are available their straight in the 11.
Barnet can't be as poor as they were at thier place. Should we not win can see us finishing lower than 17th
Alty 2-1 Barnet (Mularkey, Colclough)
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Bell has to start. Mainly due to the fact that he can’t possibly be any worse than what we’ve selected so far this season and secondly due to the fact that we’re (probably) contributing a fair whack to his deal at County.
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I think Parky will stick with Piggott, this is a good opportunity for a goal coming up. I'd certainly give him 45 minutes, Bell on second half if a no show.
Think the new lad will start with Moult.
Hopefully Kosylo back to inject some directness.
Fingers crossed for some points, we could do with some.
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I think starting team will be as per RobininStockport...
Only changes maybe (if fit)... Hampson for Ogle & Hardy for Ceesay (as implied)... also if Kosylo fit he could be on bench... agree Kirby starting on bench & giving Bell start up front...
Score Prediction:
Alty win 3-1 (Hancock, Colclough, Bell)...
COYR!
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Barnet are unbeaten recently and expect them to be well organised, a 1-0 win, pen, hancock
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Don't mind how we do it, but we need a win from this one.
I'd settle for any score as long as we score more than they do.
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I can't see this one being high-scoring 😂.
I have no idea what team we'll go with as I don't know who is available. Despite Barnet's recent improvement, I still see it as a game we can win.
I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that one or more of Ceesay, Piggott, Peers and Bell can actually get the goal which will see their confidence soar for the remaining games.
1-0 Alty (one of the above)
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I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that one or more of Ceesay, Piggott, Peers and Bell can actually get the goal which will see their confidence soar for the remaining games.
Never mind their confidence, what about mine? 😂😂
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Typical we play them when they have a little bit of form!
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I thought the thing about Moult was that he was knackered, part time and not getting any younger.
If Smith and the new lad don't play - Alty 0-1 Barnet. There, I've not put a jinx on it.
Of course, if Smith is back and this new lad is any good, it could be different, these dynamic midfielders can make a big difference sometimes - think of Carmo. But of course, Barnet will see it as one they can win too.
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2-1 (Hancock pen, Colclough)
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Altys strikers to rediscover where the back of the net is tomorrow, I’m expecting a couple of players who have been out for a while back in the team,
Alty 3-0 Barnet.
Onwards & Upwards
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Confirmed lineup: Thompson, Senior, Sutton, Mullarkey, Ogle, Moult, Smith, Mooney, Kirby, Colclough, Bell
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Happy with that team... Smith back alongside Moult... Kirby starts with Mooney & Colclough eitherside... Bell given rare start up front... plus if need a change Hardy on bench (with Richman, Williams, Ceesay, Peers)...
Assume Kosylo & Hampson still injured, plus assume Hancock rested (or injured)...
Hoping for a good win in the sun today... COYR!
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I'm also happy with the team - Smith back, 2 proper wingers, Bell given a chance and Sutton back too. I feel that Sutton is National League level, so fingers crossed for him and Mooney in particular.
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Pitch is looking good
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Pitch is looking good
Looking better than TT at the moment
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Poor performance again that. Could see that coming, they wanted it more than we did. Same problem, knowone good enough up front.
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No one good enough full stop.
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Utterly speechless 😶.
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At least the pitch looked good.
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Poor performance again that. Could see that coming, they wanted it more than we did. Same problem, knowone good enough up front.
That sentence is two words too long.
Sorry Alty Bri, didn’t notice you beat me to it.
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Goals for Barnet been coming for the last 20 mins of the game.
Their subs changed it. Ours just gave us the same very poor performance yet again.
Fear for next season
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i'll never understand football. i know there's been injuries and disruption but how does a team go from giving title contenders a tough time to utter shambles in just a matter of weeks?
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Fear for the size of the crowds next season.
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Some of those lads are resting on their laurels now. Thompson and Senior are absolutely knackered - have they both played every game?
How many times did Jake pass the ball backwards in the game? And then of course, he gets caught - awful.
Bell was... I'll be diplomatic, disappointing.
Can't blame them personally, but bringing Ceesay and Peers on must have given Barnet a boost - it signalled the end of our goalscoring intent. Has Hardy got the plague?
Seriously Parky, if the players can't be arsed, then why should fans purchase the stream?
The hard summer decisions might not be as hard as we once thought after viewing that.
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Gutted... 1st half we dominated and could have been 3or4 up, plus should have had pen before TT/defence mess up at end of half to leave it 2-1 at H/T...
TT incident reminded me of the Alty v Brackley game from April 2019 when both playoff contenders... we lost 2-1 at home after TT air shot kick totally missed Hannigan back pass in 94th min and rolled into our goal... now in TT defence he has produced some wonder saves since then (especially this season) and improved loads...
Then 2nd half Barnet improved and probably better team but still not too much in it... scoring twice in last 3mins was like dagger to heart as they ended up winning 3-2... never seen Moult give away so many freekicks plus at fault for one of Barnet late goals... as with TT and rest of lads think the boys are making odd mistakes as knackered - been a long season...
Gutted... bottom team (discounting Dover) beating us at home - unbelievable, especially as was coasting at 2-0 up... also hard to take as we seem to struggle against lower teams, yet earlier in season were great against top teams... poor, poor ending to the season...
Today all changed on TT/defence error... think should give Gould start next game to freshen things up... plus Parky really does have a BIG summer ahead with sorting out a decent squad (especially the elusive striker issue that has been said before)... still have faith in Parky... COYR!
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No words really.
Game played at pedestrian pace. Gifted them 2 goals and haven't got a striker for nln.
Thought kirby was decent.
Why Thompson hasn't shouted at Sutton for goal is beyond me.
I'd be resting Thompson and Moult and sending Bell back.
Commentary said we went 4-1-4-1. Well there's no point I'm playing a 1 up front because not one of them is good enough.
Go 4-3-3 and let the top 3 be liquid.
It's easy to change personal and tactics but harder to inject some bollocks into the team
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our best chances apart from our goals were when we got the ball forward and down the channels then crossed,we only did this 3 times in the game,most times instead of crossing it went back and ended up with TT and this walking football is not very exciting.
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Feck.
Thankfully I have drink in.
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At half time, in the same of their calamitous goal, I messaged Hughesie : "We'll contrive to lose this". I should have put money on Barnet at half time.
Once again we lacked serious attacking intent, and pissfarted about with the ball in and around the area. Thompson has gone back to where he was at the start of last season, Moult looked totally worn out, Mooney isn't good enough for this level. Will somebody please give Bell the timetable for the 11A and send him back to Edgeley Park.
We're about 7 players short of where we need to be if we're not going down next season.
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On the upside, these Saturday defeats are saving me a fortune due to not having to buy the Non League Paper.
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No words really.
Game played at pedestrian pace. Gifted them 2 goals and haven't got a striker for nln.
Thought kirby was decent.
Why Thompson hasn't shouted at Sutton for goal is beyond me.
I'd be resting Thompson and Moult and sending Bell back.
Commentary said we went 4-1-4-1. Well there's no point I'm playing a 1 up front because not one of them is good enough.
Go 4-3-3 and let the top 3 be liquid.
It's easy to change personal and tactics but harder to inject some bollocks into the team
This point is massive. Who of the current squad have the heart of a Maddox or Talbot? Kosyolo can be a bit angry at times but at least he’s got a pair and shows a bit of fight
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What does Richman need to do to get a kick?
Don't wanna be too harsh on new lad in midfield but he didn't sparkle like I anticipated (like too many of the signings)
I may be old fashioned but I prefer a left footed left back.
Bell reminds me of the big daft Central strikers often found in Parks football some time ago. Occasionally produces brilliance then trips over his own laces or watches a shot depart to the pitch next door but one.
Awful performance following a run of awful performances.
PP has work to do
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At least the pitch looked good.
Three cheers for the pitch. I feel utterly bemused.
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Seriously Parky, if the players can't be arsed, then why should fans purchase the stream?
Hey, us season ticket holders committed to purchasing it way back in September of last year and potentially still have four more home matches to endure!
That mortifying capitulation this afternoon means that it is now 11 defeats in our last 16 fixtures.
Merely 11 points gained from the last 48 that have been available.
An unacceptable decline.
At this rate, 1,000 spectators may well be allowed to attend our final home fixture of the season but not many will choose to take up the opportunity.
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I agree with the earlier contributor.
We wouldn't have conceded today's goals with the 2005 team, all of whom played 100% for the shirt.
Can you believe that a team with Eddie Hussin, Val Owen, Talbs, Maddog and Stuart Coburn ( plus the rest) would have capitulated to such an extent.
The two Centre Backs alone would have been ropable at the final few minutes
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At least the pitch looked good.
one wonders whether we should worry more about the standard of players rather than invest in the pitch
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At least the pitch looked good.
one wonders whether we should worry more about the standard of players rather than invest in the pitch
Doesn't matter who the players are if we have no pitch to play on.
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At least the pitch looked good.
one wonders whether we should worry more about the standard of players rather than invest in the pitch
Doesn't matter who the players are if we have no pitch to play on.
and we could have a world class pitch with players on it that capitulate
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At least the pitch looked good.
one wonders whether we should worry more about the standard of players rather than invest in the pitch
Doesn't matter who the players are if we have no pitch to play on.
and we could have a world class pitch with players on it that capitulate
The pitch has been a joke since I started watching Alty. If you can’t see further than the end of your nose with your strategy I’m just glad you aren’t anywhere near the Board.
Or do you just want to be Gainsborough in disguise?
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we could have Harry kane upfront,but if you do not get the ball crossed into the box he would never score
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I said it last week and I’ll say it again, the squad needs a total overhaul. There are lads at the club who have been amazing for us and played a huge part over the last 4 years but the truth is they’re nowhere near good enough for this level, at least if we want to be competitive. Not one of us on here moaned when PP put all the playoff winners on 2 year contracts, we saw it as a reward for all the hard work they’d put in but the simple fact is being sentimental is killing us. I know this will be shouted down but for me we need to move on from the likes of Jake, Ringo and Dens, all 3 are genuine legends at the club but along with Hannighan, White, Hampson, Willo, Hancock and even Kosylo they’re all getting older together and we need legs in the team to compliment those players like a Smith and Senior.
And finally, I’m the biggest fan of PP, I think he’s the sole reason we are where we are and has given us a team to put a smile on our faces but what other club would have given a full time, 3 year contract to a manager that has gone though a run the we’re currently on? The answer is none and I can’t help but feel this has played some part in being stuck in this rut.
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I said it last week and I’ll say it again, the squad needs a total overhaul. There are lads at the club who have been amazing for us and played a huge part over the last 4 years but the truth is they’re nowhere near good enough for this level, at least if we want to be competitive. Not one of us on here moaned when PP put all the playoff winners on 2 year contracts, we saw it as a reward for all the hard work they’d put in but the simple fact is being sentimental is killing us. I know this will be shouted down but for me we need to move on from the likes of Jake, Ringo and Dens, all 3 are genuine legends at the club but along with Hannighan, White, Hampson, Willo, Hancock and even Kosylo they’re all getting older together and we need legs in the team to compliment those players like a Smith and Senior.
And finally, I’m the biggest fan of PP, I think he’s the sole reason we are where we are and has given us a team to put a smile on our faces but what other club would have given a full time, 3 year contract to a manager that has gone though a run the we’re currently on? The answer is none and I can’t help but feel this has played some part in being stuck in this rut.
Not one of us moaned? Atleast 3 people I know were outraged at the length of these deals. For unproven or even never played at this level players.
Even we'd made the playoffs, atleast 4 or 5 would needed to be moved on, so to give everyone 2 years was and is suicidal.
Some of think Phills 3 year deal is too long given the run of form in the 2nd half the season.
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First half was very impressive (up until the mistake). I thought the 4141 looked good and Moult played well in front of the 4. Liked the new lad who i thought had energy.
Not sure i understand the slagging of mooney is getting, he was unplayable at Torquay before getting injured.
2nd half, something else is going on here, that looked abject, the spark has gone so it could be energy levels or individuals, just felt like i was watching the last game of the season when neither team had anything to play for.
Bell didnt impress.
Essentially the same team that battled so well away at sutton and went on that run now looks much much worse. I'm not sure its radical changes (that way lies constant changes and relegation), just somehow need our mojo back. Worried where the next win comes from!
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At least the pitch looked good.
one wonders whether we should worry more about the standard of players rather than invest in the pitch
Doesn't matter who the players are if we have no pitch to play on.
and we could have a world class pitch with players on it that capitulate
The pitch has been a joke since I started watching Alty. If you can’t see further than the end of your nose with your strategy I’m just glad you aren’t anywhere near the Board.
Or do you just want to be Gainsborough in disguise?
I can see perfectly well passed the end of my nose thank you. The pitch is of course not great and many attempts over the years have been tried to improve it . My point was if we are loosing more games than we need to to continue to grow then it's also just as pointless as not being able to play on the pitch
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At least the pitch looked good.
one wonders whether we should worry more about the standard of players rather than invest in the pitch
Doesn't matter who the players are if we have no pitch to play on.
and we could have a world class pitch with players on it that capitulate
The pitch has been a joke since I started watching Alty. If you can’t see further than the end of your nose with your strategy I’m just glad you aren’t anywhere near the Board.
Or do you just want to be Gainsborough in disguise?
I can see perfectly well passed the end of my nose thank you. The pitch is of course not great and many attempts over the years have been tried to improve it . My point was if we are loosing more games than we need to to continue to grow then it's also just as pointless as not being able to play on the pitch
I'm sure the board aren't cutting corners in other areas to fund the pitch. It is being mostly paid for by grants and crowdfunding I believe
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Arguably Phil's worst game as manager - worse than a Stockport performance, worse than the Boston game, worse than Leamington.
Phil's always very quick to make jibes, but no comments from him so far?
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Arguably Phil's worst game as manager - worse than a Stockport performance, worse than the Boston game, worse than Leamington.
Phil's always very quick to make jibes, but no comments from him so far?
I did notice that Sorvs correctly called the performance unacceptable. I suspect PP is biting his tongue, and will air his views behind closed doors.
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2 days later and still fuming at the sloppiness that cost us the match, 3 fundamental errors and Barnet pounced. I thought there substitution's invigorated them, ours made us poorer.
Too many don't want it, we need to be fitter, stronger whilst maintaining our passing game. Pitch was a little bobbly but its the same for booth teams and we've played on far worse this season. Think PP and his transitional team will happen much faster now. Too many players not at the correct level.
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Arguably Phil's worst game as manager - worse than a Stockport performance, worse than the Boston game, worse than Leamington.
Phil's always very quick to make jibes, but no comments from him so far?
Isn't it more likely that he (or Neil) did an interview straight after the game, as usual, but it just hasn't made it onto the website yet than that he's running scared or whatever you're trying to imply?
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I don't think there's anything more to say than has already been said. We all know the situation we're in. Other teams recognise our problems too and are capitalising on them. This is a professional league and they know all about us. We need to get fitter and better at what we do or work out some kind of plan B for when it's not working. I believe PP must know this and trust him to work on solutions. However they probably won't arrive until next season.
We're up and we're staying up. Keep the faith!
Come on you Supers!!
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My biggest worry would be if we have lapsed into a similarly relaxed mentality to that which appeared to set in when we reached mathematical safety in 2014/15, and which we never seemed to recover from the following season when we ended up getting relegated. I still have huge faith in Phil and Neil to lead us forward, but that is my main concern at present.
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Mine too. We need to regain the appetite and focus we had earlier on.
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Arguably Phil's worst game as manager - worse than a Stockport performance, worse than the Boston game, worse than Leamington.
Phil's always very quick to make jibes, but no comments from him so far?
Isn't it more likely that he (or Neil) did an interview straight after the game, as usual, but it just hasn't made it onto the website yet than that he's running scared or whatever you're trying to imply?
I'm not trying to imply he's scared. But I find it highly unusual after our worst performance in 4 years, off the back of defeat to Halifax and Kings Lynn there's little coming from them.
Be it Soundcloud, Alty TV or soundbites.
Even if not Phil, Jake or Neil I'm surprised not to hear from after such an embarrassing defeat.
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Interview up now . On the pitch being a bit bobbly I think we are clutching at straws there . Looked fine to me
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Interview up now . On the pitch being a bit bobbly I think we are clutching at straws there . Looked fine to me
It was certainly "a bit" bobbly, but we've played perfectly well on worse pitches. No excuse at all imho.
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Interview up now . On the pitch being a bit bobbly I think we are clutching at straws there . Looked fine to me
Pitch is the same for both teams.
When pitch is relayed and the club are full time I wonder what will Phil will blame.
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PP doesn't mention the pitch in the post-Barnet interview.
The current pitch clearly doesn't suit our playing style, is substandard and needs replacing. It's being replaced. That, I would say, is a good thing.
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What PP DOES say in the interview is that he doesn't think we played badly, and we're undone by individual errors. I agree with the latter, but not with the former.
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My biggest worry would be if we have lapsed into a similarly relaxed mentality to that which appeared to set in when we reached mathematical safety in 2014/15, and which we never seemed to recover from the following season when we ended up getting relegated. I still have huge faith in Phil and Neil to lead us forward, but that is my main concern at present.
I get your point, however you could look at that the other way and that the lads might have found it hard to motivate themselves to go again after such a successful first season, which is clearly no longer the case.
With 2014/15 unless I'm mistaken I think some of our best players (Young to York? Senior to Darlington?) were cherry picked and not adequately replaced, whereas I can't see many of the current lot being poached just yet.
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My biggest worry would be if we have lapsed into a similarly relaxed mentality to that which appeared to set in when we reached mathematical safety in 2014/15, and which we never seemed to recover from the following season when we ended up getting relegated. I still have huge faith in Phil and Neil to lead us forward, but that is my main concern at present.
I get your point, however you could look at that the other way and that the lads might have found it hard to motivate themselves to go again after such a successful first season, which is clearly no longer the case.
With 2014/15 unless I'm mistaken I think some of our best players (Young to York? Senior to Darlington?) were cherry picked and not adequately replaced, whereas I can't see many of the current lot being poached just yet.
Young and Senior were both long gone by 2014/15.
There was a discernible change after we stayed up that year, which was exacerbated further by our last minute defeat at Colchester in the cup the following season, after which, in all honesty, our heads "went".
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My biggest worry would be if we have lapsed into a similarly relaxed mentality to that which appeared to set in when we reached mathematical safety in 2014/15, and which we never seemed to recover from the following season when we ended up getting relegated. I still have huge faith in Phil and Neil to lead us forward, but that is my main concern at present.
I get your point, however you could look at that the other way and that the lads might have found it hard to motivate themselves to go again after such a successful first season, which is clearly no longer the case.
With 2014/15 unless I'm mistaken I think some of our best players (Young to York? Senior to Darlington?) were cherry picked and not adequately replaced, whereas I can't see many of the current lot being poached just yet.
Yes, Young and Senior left us in the summer of 2010, contributing to our relegation in 2011.
I completely agree with the point about the parallel with the 2014-15 season. One other thing that cost us in 2015-16 is that we ran with a small squad and suffered a lot of injuries. It looks like we're able to run with a bigger squad at the moment which should help but I still think we have a huge battle on our hands to stay in this division next season based on current performances.
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Sorry my comment was not aimed at the interview it was from comments in the thread
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My biggest worry would be if we have lapsed into a similarly relaxed mentality to that which appeared to set in when we reached mathematical safety in 2014/15, and which we never seemed to recover from the following season when we ended up getting relegated. I still have huge faith in Phil and Neil to lead us forward, but that is my main concern at present.
I get your point, however you could look at that the other way and that the lads might have found it hard to motivate themselves to go again after such a successful first season, which is clearly no longer the case.
With 2014/15 unless I'm mistaken I think some of our best players (Young to York? Senior to Darlington?) were cherry picked and not adequately replaced, whereas I can't see many of the current lot being poached just yet.
Yes, Young and Senior left us in the summer of 2010, contributing to our relegation in 2011.
I completely agree with the point about the parallel with the 2014-15 season. One other thing that cost us in 2015-16 is that we ran with a small squad and suffered a lot of injuries. It looks like we're able to run with a bigger squad at the moment which should help but I still think we have a huge battle on our hands to stay in this division next season based on current performances.
The 2015/16 season also saw us pay the price for some distinctly substandard recruitment during the pre-season e.g. George Bowerman, Josh O'Keefe and the infamous Anthony Griffith.
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In fairness to PP & Sorvs they call it pretty much how it was after each game. We have had some crucial players out at important times throughout this season.
I’m also sure he knows that the strikers have fallen short of expectations. I also don’t think he needs forumites on here to remind him each week.
Yes I know it’s a forum and folks like to vent their spleen.
Just saying...
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In fairness to PP & Sorvs they call it pretty much how it was after each game. We have had some crucial players out at important times throughout this season.
I’m also sure he knows that the strikers have fallen short of expectations. I also don’t think he needs forumites on here to remind him each week.
Yes I know it’s a forum and folks like to vent their spleen.
Just saying...
I'll stop mentioning the strikers when he stops mentioning he won the NPL.
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My biggest worry would be if we have lapsed into a similarly relaxed mentality to that which appeared to set in when we reached mathematical safety in 2014/15, and which we never seemed to recover from the following season when we ended up getting relegated. I still have huge faith in Phil and Neil to lead us forward, but that is my main concern at present.
I get your point, however you could look at that the other way and that the lads might have found it hard to motivate themselves to go again after such a successful first season, which is clearly no longer the case.
With 2014/15 unless I'm mistaken I think some of our best players (Young to York? Senior to Darlington?) were cherry picked and not adequately replaced, whereas I can't see many of the current lot being poached just yet.
Yes, Young and Senior left us in the summer of 2010, contributing to our relegation in 2011.
I completely agree with the point about the parallel with the 2014-15 season. One other thing that cost us in 2015-16 is that we ran with a small squad and suffered a lot of injuries. It looks like we're able to run with a bigger squad at the moment which should help but I still think we have a huge battle on our hands to stay in this division next season based on current performances.
The 2015/16 season also saw us pay the price for some distinctly substandard recruitment during the pre-season e.g. George Bowerman, Josh O'Keefe and the infamous Anthony Griffith.
Ah yes, getting my relegation seasons mixed up. My mistake.
I think O'Keefe would have worked perfectly fine alongside Moult and Richman in a three-man midfield that season, in a more solid 4-5-1 with either Reeves or Rankine up top, and Ginnelly and AN Other on the wings. I'm sure we actually ran with that for a while, and it contributed to a particular winning streak (or possibly the season before).
Our obsession with playing Lawrie in his 'best position' led to us playing quite a meek 4-4-1-1 which seemed to get ploughed straight through the middle most weeks. Again, happy to be corrected if wrong!
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All this talk of Chris senior moving to Darlington makes me wonder where the hell is these days !
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Perspective: Sutton only managed to beat Barnet 1-0 tonight!
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That's no consolation really. They were very poor. There is no way they should have got two goals never mind three. It was embarrassing.
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I thought the thing about Moult was that he was knackered, part time and not getting any younger.
If Smith and the new lad don't play - Alty 0-1 Barnet. There, I've not put a jinx on it.
Of course, if Smith is back and this new lad is any good, it could be different, these dynamic midfielders can make a big difference sometimes - think of Carmo. But of course, Barnet will see it as one they can win too.
Looks like I'm the only realist! :)
To be fair, it's worse than I thought - Smith did play...
P.S. a bit different from 1991. Yes, they probably all have mobile phones now!
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Perspective: Sutton only managed to beat Barnet 1-0 tonight!
They didn't conceded 3 to a side who've scored last than 30 all season.