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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: MarpleAlty on April 28, 2023, 02:02:43 PM
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Rather than focus on who we should get rid of, let's have a bit more fun and speculate on who could come in - it's always good to look back on this sort of thread and see if any of us end up being on the money - or whether we're well off compared to what Parky & Sorvs are thinking.
I know a lot of us take in other local non-league games too, so I'll be intrigued to see who has impressed us from elsewhere - obviously there will be the released lists to look at too, but we should primarily be focusing on cherry-picking players on a recent upward curve.
My own picks would be:
GOALKEEPER
Luke Simpson (TNS) - this was one I'd have liked last summer when he left Kidderminster; only signed for TNS in the autumn and they were walking the league by then.
Cameron Mason (Southport) - long been considered one of the best goalkeepers in non-league; still only 27 but would bring the experience we so badly need at the moment.
Harry Tyrer (Everton) - very young (like Ollie) but 6'4 and 'commanding', hugely popular at Chester this season; given Everton have deeper pockets than us and might subsidise the loan, it would kick the goalkeeper problem down the kerb 12 months - keeping the budget free for outfield positions.
Theo Richardson (Buxton) - won a couple of end-of-season awards for them; only 24 years old and certainly a very realistic target for us; might fit the bill.
DEFENDERS
Miles Welch-Hayes (Harrogate) - has largely done well here and is popular with the fans; of the recent loanees he seems to be the most realistic to sign up permanently.
Kyle Ferguson (Harrogate) - willing to offer him a deal, but his expectations would have to be reasonable, and he'd have to show us more than what he's done since returning.
Tylor Golden (Halifax) - one of their star performers this past season in the right back position we clearly now meed to address; seems that he might be NW-based.
Sammy Robinson (Port Vale) - former Manchester City trainee that many at Vale were surprised to see released; a young wing back in the Parky mould but can cover at centre back.
Matty Williams (Chester) - considered the jewel in the crown of the meanest defence in the National League North next season; under contract so we'd need to get creative.
Liam Edwards (Chester) - another great young defender; not considered the best footballer but a brilliant defender, much like Lewis Baines; unlike Williams he's out of contract.
CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS
Connor Kirby (Buxton) - trialled with us in the summer but overlooked; has had a great season with Buxton and I'd be happy to see him back.
Regan Booty (Maidstone) - relegated with Maidstone but he's a northerner; played in the same Huddersfield youth setup as Isaac Marriott. Good with set pieces; can cover at left back.
Dylan Boyle (Fleetwood) - one to bear in mind given our connections with Fleetwood; currently impressing on loan at Curzon Ashton, seems ready to take the step up.
ATTACKING MIDFIELDERS
Charlie Caton (Shrewsbury) - another one impressing on loan in the NLN; out of contract with Shrewsbury (I think) but if Chester come up, I assume they'd be favourites to keep him.
Aaron Bennett (Preston) - same category as Kyle Ferguson really; might be better to bring him in on trial over the summer (assuming he'll be released) and whether he can turn up in shape or not.
WINGERS
Tyrese Sinclair (Rochdale) - I think we'd all have him back if a deal can be done with Rochdale; clearly enjoyed his time here and we got the best out of him most of the time.
Milli Alli (Halifax) - always one I assumed would end up here at some point, but his form in the second half of the season might mean he gets a much bigger move now.
Courtney Duffus (Morecambe) - would be a real punt given his recent injury record, but he's a strongand physical forward who we know has done it at this level.
STRIKERS
Danny Elliott - another one that's been done to death but we know he can find the net at this level; strangely been playing out of position for SC**thorpe.
Jake Bickerstaff - very much part of the 'done well against us' category, well regarded at Wrexham but maybe they have grander ambitions now.
Connor Hall (Chorley) - prolific season in the National League North and seemingly good mates with Lewis Baines; feels like he would be quite a realistic option for us.
There aren't really any leftfield names here - anyone else caught the eye for anyone this season?
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We need to do better than Ferguson and Bennett. They have not proved themselves
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I'm not a fan of Ferguson. As someone said on another thread he's good at wrestling and he does often manage to win the headers but more often than not they go straight to the opposition rather than the feet of one of our own players.
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Could Chris Conn Clarke on loan for a season be possible?
or even permanent ?He's been a sub recently for Waterford
I can't see Ali leaving Halifax
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We need 2 or 3 signings like LUndstrum or Linney that really spark the energy and enthusiasm. Be it perm signings or long term (12-month loans)
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A few not on the list;
Cameron Mason (Southport)
Scott Leather (Chorley - should they not come up)
Liam Edwards (Chester - should they not come up)
Rob Apter (Blackpool but recently on loan at SC**thorpe)
Connor Hall (Chorley - should they not come up)
Chris Conn-Clarke (obviously would be pricey but just doable)
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Leather is 30 now . Surely we can do better
Doubt we could afford CCC
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Chris senior - unknown club
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All solid defences have a reliable keeper which then instills confidence in the rest of the defence, I’m of the opinion that the lack of a keeper who bosses his six yard box is a problem which in turn spreads uncertainty in the back line.
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Admittedly unlikely, but Leather and Baines certainly wouldn't be a bad pairing; at least they'd know each others games inside out
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Admittedly unlikely, but Leather and Baines certainly wouldn't be a bad pairing; at least they'd know each others games inside out
How old is Scott now?
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Admittedly unlikely, but Leather and Baines certainly wouldn't be a bad pairing; at least they'd know each others games inside out
How old is Scott now?
30 I think.
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Admittedly unlikely, but Leather and Baines certainly wouldn't be a bad pairing; at least they'd know each others games inside out
How old is Scott now?
30 I think.
Connor Hall seems to be a more sensible option from Chorley, I think he's good mates with Lewis Baines.
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Chris Conn-Clarke is on a season-long loan which means he wouldn't be available until we're getting on towards Christmas - that's unless we put in a silly enough bid for them to bring him back.
Looking at other options, Courtney Duffus has just returned for Morecambe following a long term injury but might not have enough time to save himself from the released list. He's a strong lad and can play out wide. Sadly no longer dating Heather Watson.
At the back, the approach might be to look to the NLN again - if Chester don't come up, Matty Williams would be great - but given he's just signed a new contract extension, we'd have to pay a fee.
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Considering the coach breaking down today maybe sign another coach firm contract
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You couldn't make it up!
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Considering the coach breaking down today maybe sign another coach firm contract
Coach breaks down again? Must be on the cheap and be powered by hamsters in wheels!
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We’ve been unable to park the bus all season, now we can’t drive it either
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All solid defences have a reliable keeper which then instills confidence in the rest of the defence, I’m of the opinion that the lack of a keeper who bosses his six yard box is a problem which in turn spreads uncertainty in the back line.
And THAT is a most pertinent of comments. One GK can improve any number of defenders.
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All solid defences have a reliable keeper which then instills confidence in the rest of the defence, I’m of the opinion that the lack of a keeper who bosses his six yard box is a problem which in turn spreads uncertainty in the back line.
And THAT is a most pertinent of comments. One GK can improve any number of defenders.
It certainly isn’t coincidence that Ferguson and James Jones looked better with TT playing behind them.
I’d sign Welch-Hayes, Ferguson and Sinclair of our loanees. CCC is unrealistic in my opinion and Bennett is so lazy and overweight
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They both looked better playing alongside Toby Mullarky.
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They both looked better playing alongside Toby Mullarky.
What do we think is going on with him? I don't think he's injured but he's not even been in the squad for the last couple of Rochdale games.
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All solid defences have a reliable keeper which then instills confidence in the rest of the defence, I’m of the opinion that the lack of a keeper who bosses his six yard box is a problem which in turn spreads uncertainty in the back line.
And THAT is a most pertinent of comments. One GK can improve any number of defenders.
It certainly isn’t coincidence that Ferguson and James Jones looked better with TT playing behind them.
I’d sign Welch-Hayes, Ferguson and Sinclair of our loanees. CCC is unrealistic in my opinion and Bennett is so lazy and overweight
I would sign those 3 as well. I’m a big fan of Kyle I would keepmCooper and Baines and get rid of James Jones
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I thought James Jones was comfortably our best defender in the second half of the season. I’m not sure if he signed for one year or two. We could really do with a retained/released/negotiating list like most clubs do at this level.
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Not seen enough of Cooper. I think it depends on our GK. If we back him, then we need to look at some moor commanding CB and some better FB to prevent crosses.
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I think an established conference level keeper is a must for next season
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As long as it's not Dibble! 😉
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I suppose Ben Foster won't be available? I seem to remember he's played at Moss Lane before.
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I think an established conference level keeper is a must for next season
As important as getting Linney
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I think an established conference level keeper is a must for next season
As important as getting Linney
If not more so.
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One thing I like about Phil and Neil is that they like to start going into transfers fairly quickly after the season ends. I am very confident that they are already planning targets and looking at who may be available from releases at other clubs. I hope the retain around 75pc of our current squad and I imagine we will start hearing id the not too distant future.
I look forward to it with much interest, and the friendlies for next season.
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I think I sort of agree with that but I'm not sure either I'm comfortable with it or whether it's totally professional to do it that way.
That's the way it may have to be for now though are we're well down the pecking order and must thus wait for other clubs released lists.
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I'm already digging out the 'appeal for calm' post I have to put out on the forum each summer when we don't get everyone signed up within a week of the season ending.
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I'm already digging out the 'appeal for calm' post I have to put out on the forum each summer when we don't get everyone signed up within a week of the season ending.
Hurry up then Marple! 😉
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Now we're unexpectedly in the market for a right back, I'd be keen for us to explore Tylor Golden at Halifax.
He's another one that I'm assuming might be North West based, given his previous clubs.
Whether he's realistic or not depends on whether we're actually above Halifax in the food chain these days; we might not be.
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Has Harrogate issued it's retained list yet? If not, we might be looking at MWH?
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Has Harrogate issued it's retained list yet? If not, we might be looking at MWH?
I think this too, or could we get senior back from carlisle
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Has Harrogate issued it's retained list yet? If not, we might be looking at MWH?
I think this too, or could we get senior back from carlisle
I'll be watching for who Carlisle release once the playoffs are over, but I don't expect Senior to be among the leavers.
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Maybe Ali Smith fancies a move north I'm sure he won't be released from Sutton but no harm in wishing
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What about Dunc now Millwall have blown the play offs? 😎
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Chester's goalkeeper, Harry Tyrer, named in the NLN Team Of The Season.
I hadn't realised he was a loanee from Everton; loan target there perhaps.
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Lucas covolan released at port vale
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Chris Conn Clarke retained under contract at Fleetwood
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Lucas covolan released at port vale
Isn’t he a bit of a loon? (red card wise), starting to get injury-prone and over 30?
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Chris Conn Clarke retained under contract at Fleetwood
He signed a new one upon his return from us, if I remember correctly.
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Chris Conn Clarke retained under contract at Fleetwood
He signed a new one upon his return from us, if I remember correctly.
Must have been a two year one eh?
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Lucas covolan released at port vale
Isn’t he a bit of a loon? (red card wise), starting to get injury-prone and over 30?
Wondered about covolan, mad red on day one of the season and benched for the second half of the season. Not for me.
Hinchcliffe at Stockport is out of contract and if Stockport get promoted they may look to upgrade at GK. He deserves to be a number 1 somewhere imo, why not here with a learning (and fully capable on his day) number 2 in Ollie Byrne. I consider Matt Gould a emergency cover/GK coach. Any other clear leader in that mould would do though, it's clearly what we need in the back 5/6
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Hinchcliffe is a very good shout indeed although the substantial drop in money he'd be looking at could be a stumbling block.
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Completely agree it's an area we need to strengthen but I just don't see us paying three full-time senior goalkeeper wages.
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Completely agree it's an area we need to strengthen but I just don't see us paying three full-time senior goalkeeper wages.
Agreed, which is why perhaps this is one area of the pitch where we potentially still see utilisation of the loan market.
I think Ollie needs a loan move to the NLN; Chester need a goalkeeper.
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Completely agree it's an area we need to strengthen but I just don't see us paying three full-time senior goalkeeper wages.
That's not going to be a problem if we concede as many goals next year. If we do, and without three or four marquee forward signings who each have goals in them, most probably, we'll be part time in the NLN the season after next.
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AFC Fylde:
https://www.afcfylde.co.uk/club-update-2023-24-retained-list/
The following first-team players are out of contract with the Club but remain in conversation regarding renewed terms:
Nick Haughton
Chris Neal
Harvey Gregson
The following players will be leaving AFC Fylde following the conclusion of their contracts this summer:
Luke Burke
Curtis Weston
Mark Cullen
Jordan Cranston
Keenan Patten
Kyle Morrison
Jack Byrne
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Was Haughton at Nantwich with Phil? Can we compete with Fylde? I wonder if he does want to come back and play in Trafford.
Also a chance he ends up off to league 2.
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It will be between Fylde and Oldham I reckon.
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Born in Urmston, goalscoring number 10, we're bound to be very interested.
That's the sort of signing we should be looking at imho.
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We need a marquee signing to add some oomph into what was a very flat last 6 weeks.
I'd rather than a 17-man squad with Nick Haughton, than 23-25-28 with kids.
We've lost Colclough and Mullarky from last summers squad who were likely reasonable earners. Let's splash the cash wisely and get ourselves a new talisman.
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Would love to sign Haughton
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Also, would love to sign Haughton.
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Will end up at Oldham or even Rochdale but it would be a statement of intent if we signed him.
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We got Regan from under Oldham's noses , they may well have different targets as well , but yes if the bigger clubs join the queue expect the (probable) inevitable .
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Stoke City:
Gabriel Adebambo, Jacob Holland-Wilkinson, Tommy Jackson, George Lewis, Dan Malone, Luke Redfern, Josh Roney and Douglas James-Taylor
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I hope this post ends up making me look very foolish, however there's no chance in hell that Nick Haughton is a realistic signing.
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Hope it does too but you're probably right.
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Will be interesting to see how many loan signings we start the season with if any wasnt it one last season ?
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Will be interesting to see how many loan signings we start the season with if any wasnt it one last season ?
Two. Chris Conn-Clarke and Aaron Bennett, who signed on the eve of the season.
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I hope this post ends up making me look very foolish, however there's no chance in hell that Nick Haughton is a realistic signing.
That's the spirit... If we're being beat by Oldham, we may as well give up before the season starts.
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I hope this post ends up making me look very foolish, however there's no chance in hell that Nick Haughton is a realistic signing.
That's the spirit... If we're being beat by Oldham, we may as well give up before the season starts.
In a way, I agree with you both.
I would like to think we are at least in the race and we've offered as much as we deem sensible. He's the type of signing we should be making (mixed with the broken toy, youthful Parky approach) and there's no harm in putting something on the table for an Urmston lad with serious quality in a position we desperately need to fill. It wouldn't be too dissimilar to the acquisition of Matty Kosylo in 2020 so to say there's no chance in Hell is slightly OTT imho.
At the same time, I do fully expect to be outgunned for these marquee signings by the likes of Oldham, Rochdale and Fylde, whether people like it or not. That's just the reality of our situation.
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I hope this post ends up making me look very foolish, however there's no chance in hell that Nick Haughton is a realistic signing.
That's the spirit... If we're being beat by Oldham, we may as well give up before the season starts.
Just because someone is expensive, doesn't mean they're the best signing. It's absolutely not how I meant it.
I'd rather sign someone that wants to be here, rather than someone clearly playing below his level for a number of years because of the money on offer.
Honestly as much as I'd be pleased a player of his obvious quality came here, I'd want to be convinced he believes in the Alty project and not the fact we've thrown money at it.
Oh and yes, we're not in the same market as Oldham. Obviously. Let them throw money at people, we can be smarter about it.
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I hope this post ends up making me look very foolish, however there's no chance in hell that Nick Haughton is a realistic signing.
That's the spirit... If we're being beat by Oldham, we may as well give up before the season starts.
Just because someone is expensive, doesn't mean they're the best signing. It's absolutely not how I meant it.
I'd rather sign someone that wants to be here, rather than someone clearly playing below his level for a number of years because of the money on offer.
Honestly as much as I'd be pleased a player of his obvious quality came here, I'd want to be convinced he believes in the Alty project and not the fact we've thrown money at it.
Oh and yes, we're not in the same market as Oldham. Obviously. Let them throw money at people, we can be smarter about it.
We paid for Ryan, for Newby, for Jennings, albeit for a short while and all added tremendous value. Sometime you have to pay for a bit of experience.
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Again, agree with you both, and hopefully this summer we can strike the balance between cracking open the war chest and doing it on the cheap.
We must continue to be astute and smart in what we do, but we do also need to acknowledge that we played our best football with players who are no longer at the club: Colclough, Newby, Conn-Clarke, Jennings, Oyedele, Mullarkey specifically. Mooney, Senior and Hancock last season, three players who are still yet to be replaced permanently.
Serious money needs to be spent this summer if we want to replace them and progress - not in every signing, and we've shown we can really pick a player with the superb acquisitions of Marriott, Senior, Mullarkey, Linney, Lundstram etc - but we can't spend the first few months of the season looking at the likes of Sami and Kaja on a free again. Not at this level.
For every Conn-Clarke there's a Cashman, every Newby a Gyasi, and if we end up in that situation next season we can't guarantee that it's going to click as it did this time around. We got away with it this season because we got 5 months out of Ryan and were lucky to put together that RC-CCC-Newby-Jennings side for a good run. If Maxi Oyedele wasn't up to it in the second half of the season, we may well have been dragged into the scrap.
It's evident at Southampton, who have rebuilt numerous times in the Premier League after losing their better players (Van Dijk, Shaw, Mane, Wanyama, Forster, Clyne, Alderweireld, Lallana, Schneirderlin, Lovren...) that time finally runs out on clubs that aren't able to retain and attract.
There are similarities there in who we've lost in the past couple of seasons and we simply have to replace the quality like-for-like (Colclough aside, that's pretty much impossible) or we could be in serious trouble next season. We're walking a tightrope.
It sounds more negative than it is, I'm excited, and I know we're progressing. It's a huge summer ahead and I've full confidence in what we're doing but it really is a mammoth task and our most important window since 2017/18. I know Rob, Phil, Neil, Cathal and others will be working tirelessly.
Sorry this has turned into an overdue end-of-season retrospective (wasn't the plan when I started my dinner break!) but that's just where I think we're at!
Up the Alty.
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Excellent and though provoking post. 👍
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I think it's a well-measured post and I agree with much of what is on there - I think we're stating the obvious by saying that we need to display increased ambition year on year; I think that goes without saying, and the off-field investments will allow us to continue to do that.
Ambition aside, we'll still continue to lose star players, simply because their own ascent is quicker than what we can manage as a club. To that effect, we do have to be a 'Southampton' (or obviously a 'Brighton' in the current day) - whilst figuring out how to consolidate as we go.
There's models to follow, of course; Fleetwood have managed it (albeit with significant investment) and yet they lost players like Jamie Vardy along the way - all of which allowed them to reinvest and go again stronger each time. Once we neglect to have a 1, 3 and 5 year plan is when we'll start going backwards.
Perfect example is probably Rochdale, who punched above their weight for 15 years or so by investing in data & sports science, developing players, selling them on, and reinvesting. Once the right people weren't in place behind the scenes, that well dried up and then - well, they are where they are now.
Maybe I'm looking at it too black and white, but last season's window was more critical than this one in terms of starting positions...
- last year we needed a GK, LB, one more CB, RB, one more CM (and then both once we lost Isaac), an AM once we lost Matty, a RW and a ST. 7 positions that became 9 following injury.
- this year we need a GK (being brutal), one more CB, RB, LW, AM and a RW - we have a LB, one CB, two CMs and a ST. 6 positions but with stronger existing backups to each of those positions.
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Spot on Andrew Flynn
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A massive step forward would be for the five essential signings to be permanent ones (or at most one season long loan for someone like CCC.)
We ought to be aiming to use loans as fill ins for injury etc rather than 'star' regular starters. This may be unrealistic but we've surely got to have that as our aim?
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We have got to get an established back four and GK. if we keep chopping and changing the back 4 then we will never stop conceding goals. Baines has been good at the back and I wouldn’t mind seeing Cooper have another run next to him,. We do also need a GK. Team confidence starts from the back, if we concede like we did this season just gone then we will do well to stay in this division.
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I'm sure I've said this before (I think you have too) but it is a critical, if not crucial, point and as such very very worth repeating.
One point I feel I must add is that nothing takes pressure off a defence like a threatening attack for oppositions to be wary of. Thus three quality forwards are must-haves.
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Again, agree with you both, and hopefully this summer we can strike the balance between cracking open the war chest and doing it on the cheap.
We must continue to be astute and smart in what we do, but we do also need to acknowledge that we played our best football with players who are no longer at the club: Colclough, Newby, Conn-Clarke, Jennings, Oyedele, Mullarkey specifically. Mooney, Senior and Hancock last season, three players who are still yet to be replaced permanently.
Serious money needs to be spent this summer if we want to replace them and progress - not in every signing, and we've shown we can really pick a player with the superb acquisitions of Marriott, Senior, Mullarkey, Linney, Lundstram etc - but we can't spend the first few months of the season looking at the likes of Sami and Kaja on a free again. Not at this level.
For every Conn-Clarke there's a Cashman, every Newby a Gyasi, and if we end up in that situation next season we can't guarantee that it's going to click as it did this time around. We got away with it this season because we got 5 months out of Ryan and were lucky to put together that RC-CCC-Newby-Jennings side for a good run. If Maxi Oyedele wasn't up to it in the second half of the season, we may well have been dragged into the scrap.
It's evident at Southampton, who have rebuilt numerous times in the Premier League after losing their better players (Van Dijk, Shaw, Mane, Wanyama, Forster, Clyne, Alderweireld, Lallana, Schneirderlin, Lovren...) that time finally runs out on clubs that aren't able to retain and attract.
There are similarities there in who we've lost in the past couple of seasons and we simply have to replace the quality like-for-like (Colclough aside, that's pretty much impossible) or we could be in serious trouble next season. We're walking a tightrope.
It sounds more negative than it is, I'm excited, and I know we're progressing. It's a huge summer ahead and I've full confidence in what we're doing but it really is a mammoth task and our most important window since 2017/18. I know Rob, Phil, Neil, Cathal and others will be working tirelessly.
Sorry this has turned into an overdue end-of-season retrospective (wasn't the plan when I started my dinner break!) but that's just where I think we're at!
Up the Alty.
Yes spot on and very much a reality check and despite the great work from all concerned it is where we are . The noises coming out of the club also lead us to believe we are already punching above our weight , if this is truly the case we really do need serious financial investment forthcoming to continue making forward steps on the field , and the same applies to the stadium issues of which we are all aware . In the absence of any 'money spinning' cup runs and/or tie (28 years and counting) , i really do hope we can achieve this to be able to at least compete on a more level playing field .
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Again, agree with you both, and hopefully this summer we can strike the balance between cracking open the war chest and doing it on the cheap.
We must continue to be astute and smart in what we do, but we do also need to acknowledge that we played our best football with players who are no longer at the club: Colclough, Newby, Conn-Clarke, Jennings, Oyedele, Mullarkey specifically. Mooney, Senior and Hancock last season, three players who are still yet to be replaced permanently.
Serious money needs to be spent this summer if we want to replace them and progress - not in every signing, and we've shown we can really pick a player with the superb acquisitions of Marriott, Senior, Mullarkey, Linney, Lundstram etc - but we can't spend the first few months of the season looking at the likes of Sami and Kaja on a free again. Not at this level.
For every Conn-Clarke there's a Cashman, every Newby a Gyasi, and if we end up in that situation next season we can't guarantee that it's going to click as it did this time around. We got away with it this season because we got 5 months out of Ryan and were lucky to put together that RC-CCC-Newby-Jennings side for a good run. If Maxi Oyedele wasn't up to it in the second half of the season, we may well have been dragged into the scrap.
It's evident at Southampton, who have rebuilt numerous times in the Premier League after losing their better players (Van Dijk, Shaw, Mane, Wanyama, Forster, Clyne, Alderweireld, Lallana, Schneirderlin, Lovren...) that time finally runs out on clubs that aren't able to retain and attract.
There are similarities there in who we've lost in the past couple of seasons and we simply have to replace the quality like-for-like (Colclough aside, that's pretty much impossible) or we could be in serious trouble next season. We're walking a tightrope.
It sounds more negative than it is, I'm excited, and I know we're progressing. It's a huge summer ahead and I've full confidence in what we're doing but it really is a mammoth task and our most important window since 2017/18. I know Rob, Phil, Neil, Cathal and others will be working tirelessly.
Sorry this has turned into an overdue end-of-season retrospective (wasn't the plan when I started my dinner break!) but that's just where I think we're at!
Up the Alty.
Not the main point clearly but Cathal's had a couple of mentions on here lately - have I missed the something? I thought he'd left the board of directors and was no longer involved?
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I'm sure I've said this before (I think you have too) but it is a critical, if not crucial, point and as such very very worth repeating.
One point I feel I must add is that nothing takes pressure off a defence like a threatening attack for oppositions to be wary of. Thus three quality forwards are must-haves.
Yep, I wasn't worried about our back 4 - even against Wrexham - when we had a top forward line.
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Not the main point clearly but Cathal's had a couple of mentions on here lately - have I missed the something? I thought he'd left the board of directors and was no longer involved?
A low key return to the footballing side. Not on the board.
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If we need someone like Chris Conn-Clarke, we should go and batter on Fleetwood's door. Last week he spent the full 90 minutes + on Waterford's bench. Tonight he hasn't made the match day squad. He is wasting his time in Ireland,and he surely can't be happy about it.
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There’s been some chatter around Sam Roscoe. Ex Aberdeen, Ayr United and Linfield last season. A tall, commanding ball playing Centre Half by all accounts. He’s a North West lad, and has just left Linfield “ to return to England to be closer to his family “.
He is a cousin of Ollie Byrne.
Coincidence?
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Not the main point clearly but Cathal's had a couple of mentions on here lately - have I missed the something? I thought he'd left the board of directors and was no longer involved?
A low key return to the footballing side. Not on the board.
Very good news. I wonder if he’s still involved at Brightlingsea? He was appointed DofF there not long ago.
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There’s been some chatter around Sam Roscoe. Ex Aberdeen, Ayr United and Linfield last season. A tall, commanding ball playing Centre Half by all accounts. He’s a North West lad, and has just left Linfield “ to return to England to be closer to his family “.
He is a cousin of Ollie Byrne.
Coincidence?
Yes. Not one to get excited about.
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Kieran Glynn left Scarborough to go full time at an unnamed conference club
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Regan Booty confirmed released from Maidstone.
Apparently Oldham and Chesterfield are interested - but he knows Isaac Marriott from Huddersfield / Bradford PA, would be ambitious but more realistic than Nick Haughton imo.
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Harrogate have released their retained/released list.
MWH and KF both retained.
https://www.harrogatetownafc.com/news-media/news/end-of-season-retained-list-announced-(1)/
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Harrogate have released their retained/released list.
MWH and KF both retained.
https://www.harrogatetownafc.com/news-media/news/end-of-season-retained-list-announced-(1)/
Interesting, I thought they'd be candidates to be released so I assume they might still be under contract for next season.
I've edited the top of the thread with some additional names because I'm bored and play far too much Football Manager.
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I spoke to Kyle at the Runcorn game and he said that he had another year on his contract
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I spoke to Kyle at the Runcorn game and he said that he had another year on his contract
In which case Harrogate might look to loan him out again.
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I spoke to Kyle at the Runcorn game and he said that he had another year on his contract
In which case Harrogate might look to loan him out again.
Hope he gets a good gig somewhere (not here).
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I spoke to Kyle at the Runcorn game and he said that he had another year on his contract
In which case Harrogate might look to loan him out again.
Hope he gets a good gig somewhere (not here).
He is on decent money at Harrogate
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He'll get a lot more with WWF.
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He'll get a lot more with WWF.
I didn't know he played Words With Friends - I must challenge him.....
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He'll get a lot more with WWF.
I didn't know he played Words With Friends - I must challenge him.....
Didn't mean World Wildlife Fund either! 😉
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I think I meant WWE anyway! 🤯😂
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He'll get a lot more with WWF.
Showing your age there Saughall :)
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He'll get a lot more with WWF.
Showing your age there Saughall :)
Thanks mate (I think 🤔!) 😉
PS. Didn't even mention Mick Mcmanus, Steve Logan, Les Kellett etc!, 🙄😊😊
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He'll get a lot more with WWF.
Showing your age there Saughall :)
Thanks mate (I think 🤔!) 😉
PS. Didn't even mention Mick Mcmanus, Steve Logan, Les Kellett etc!, 🙄😊😊
Not sure they’d get away with names like “The Bushwackers” anymore.
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He'll get a lot more with WWF.
Showing your age there Saughall :)
Thanks mate (I think 🤔!) 😉
PS. Didn't even mention Mick Mcmanus, Steve Logan, Les Kellett etc!, 🙄😊😊
Cry Baby Jim Breaks.......A mate of mine says he played for the Royal Oak in Wythenshawe with no other than tag team legend Burt Royle
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See Wrexham have done their retained list (JL site). What was the name of their young reserves forward lad we fancied? Has he been released? If so, would be a good option for us.
PS. Maybe pie in the sky?
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Was it Jacob Bickerstaff?
If so, I think he's at the end of his contract.
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Was it Jacob Bickerstaff?
If so, I think he's at the end of his contract.
He is under contract until the end of next season.
https://www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/news/2022/july/contract-news--jake-bickerstaff-signs-contract-extension/
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Was it Jacob Bickerstaff?
If so, I think he's at the end of his contract.
He is under contract until the end of next season.
https://www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/news/2022/july/contract-news--jake-bickerstaff-signs-contract-extension/
The sort of option we could explore on loan if Regan doesn't fire on all cylinders.
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There’s been some chatter around Sam Roscoe. Ex Aberdeen, Ayr United and Linfield last season. A tall, commanding ball playing Centre Half by all accounts. He’s a North West lad, and has just left Linfield “ to return to England to be closer to his family “.
He is a cousin of Ollie Byrne.
Coincidence?
Seems you were bang on the money with this one!
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I'll be honest. I thought signing CCC not on loan but for real wasn't being realistic.
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We need a marquee signing to add some oomph into what was a very flat last 6 weeks.
I'd rather than a 17-man squad with Nick Haughton, than 23-25-28 with kids.
We've lost Colclough and Mullarky from last summers squad who were likely reasonable earners. Let's splash the cash wisely and get ourselves a new talisman.
Chris will do that, and it seems like we're going for a smaller squad. 16 adults with 2 more due in (18) + Forde, German, Hussain and Mortan.
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We need a marquee signing to add some oomph into what was a very flat last 6 weeks.
I'd rather than a 17-man squad with Nick Haughton, than 23-25-28 with kids.
We've lost Colclough and Mullarky from last summers squad who were likely reasonable earners. Let's splash the cash wisely and get ourselves a new talisman.
Chris will do that, and it seems like we're going for a smaller squad. 16 adults with 2 more due in (18) + Forde, German, Hussain and Mortan.
Signing CCC I think probably answers the debate from earlier in this thread - that it's about showing ambition, but in the right way. He and his girlfriend clearly adored being here and that absolutely made it worth busting our usual structure to get it done. We wouldn't have done that for someone like Nick Haughton, and rightly so.
And no, I didn't think it was remotely realistic either! Now if we could get Ty Sinclair done too...
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I think Mooney is more likely than Sinclair would be happy with either or both
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Sinclair would be a dream signing, but he would cost big bucks. Agree that Dan Mooney is more likely.
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Not Mooney I think.
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Don’t want to see Mooney back here
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My feelings are a bit mixed about Dan Mooney, to be honest - I thought he was under-appreciated in his time here, and second spells never usually work out the same as the first one when you've gone somewhere else and it hasn't worked out particularly well - although you could argue Jordan did a decent job.
If he's been offered to us at the right sort of financial level - he'll have been given a huge pay rise by Southend - I'm willing to give him a go. It doesn't surprise me that his injury problems resurfaced as soon as he moved to a poorly-run club that wouldn't have been able to manage him at all.
He was tagged in a summer training session the other day with Isaac Marriott and Lewis Baines.
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As much as it pains me, Jordan's attitude and endeavor on return won me over. I'm very much let them go (if its perm move, I always welcome back loanees, CCC, Lundstrum, Moult even Lawrie). However, Dan's young and not even player (no matter their quality) fits our system, therefore I would.
However, as above, I wouldn't break our financial model to get him, I thought he's been anonymous since we've played against him.
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It'll be a bit disappointing if Mooney returns for a number of reasons.
1. He'll no doubt want a good wedge
2. If his injury problems are more pronounced, that's bad too.
3. Compare his loyalty and departure with that of Colclough and draw your own conclusions.
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It'll be a bit disappointing if Mooney returns for a number of reasons.
1. He'll no doubt want a good wedge
2. If his injury problems are more pronounced, that's bad too.
3. Compare his loyalty and departure with that of Colclough and draw your own conclusions.
I'm always a bit biased towards players that move in the summers vs January; and I liked Ryan a lot but I do think he could have taken us to Wembley and got an EFL move with the PO winner.
Mooney did it in summer. we just never replaced him which is why I feel a bit sour about it.
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It'll be a bit disappointing if Mooney returns for a number of reasons.
1. He'll no doubt want a good wedge
2. If his injury problems are more pronounced, that's bad too.
3. Compare his loyalty and departure with that of Colclough and draw your own conclusions.
I'm always a bit biased towards players that move in the summers vs January; and I liked Ryan a lot but I do think he could have taken us to Wembley and got an EFL move with the PO winner.
Mooney did it in summer. we just never replaced him which is why I feel a bit sour about it.
I think what I meant was that Ryan stayed longer than we would have had a right to expect partly to repay the faith placed in him. Dan, on the other hand, jumped at the first decent (in his view) opportunity. He did it when moving to us from Chester as I recall?
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Tad harsh about Dan , despite the injuries he had two good years here and when out of contract accepted a better offer by a bigger club , that's life . Oh, and he did get the goal that got us where we are now .
Both Dan and Tyrese will want to be regular starters at their clubs so unlikely to come back in this window but then again they both had their best spells and regular starts whilst here so who knows .
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I think either of them would be a regular starter here if they came back. The biggest problem with the return of either would be financial.
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You would think so but then again Dan came here from Fleetwood when they were 3 leagues above us so surely chose us for regular game time wirh his local club rather than ( probably ) better terms elsewhere ( Chester ? ).
Tells you a lot about his true character.
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My understanding is that he was on loan from Fleetwood at Chester. When Fleetwood released him at the end of the season and Chester wanted him permanently, he chose to come to us as we were a "bigger" team (us).
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If Dan is rumoured to be training up here then it does suggest he may be returning to somewhere in the NW (unless his free house in Southend no longer in use) ?
A fit and motivated Dan would be good, but if his wage demands are much higher and he's not the same player,.. then I trust Parky to call it right if he was an option.
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If he became available on a free; I would be disappointed if he went to Oldham, Rochdale or Fylde.
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If he became available on a free; I would be disappointed if he went to Oldham, Rochdale or Fylde.
I'd be surprised if he didn't. The budgets at all those clubs are likely to be much bigger than ours.
That being the case, if he did come back here it would cast him in a much better light as far as I'm concerned.
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My understanding is that he was on loan from Fleetwood at Chester. When Fleetwood released him at the end of the season and Chester wanted him permanently, he chose to come to us as we were a "bigger" team (us).
Not bigger mate , just a lot better.😊
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My understanding is that he was on loan from Fleetwood at Chester. When Fleetwood released him at the end of the season and Chester wanted him permanently, he chose to come to us as we were a "bigger" team (us).
Not bigger mate , just a lot better.😊
Touché 😉
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From memory we paid Fleetwood a small fee for Dan Mooney.
I do think he gets too much stick from much of the fanbase - he was brilliant for us the season before last and we didn't really manage to get that right wind berth nailed properly last season.
As long as the deal is sensible, I'd be happy enough to see him return I think.
Sinclair / Conn-Clarke / Mooney has a nice balance to it...
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So when do people think we're going to get news on further (winger) signings?
Possibly after 1st of July?
PS. Or is that it until the trialists? 🤔
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Readind their forum, Rochdale fans are of the opinion that they have financial problems. I can't see Dan going there. As for Sinclair, he's got a contract until next summer.
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Readind their forum, Rochdale fans are of the opinion that they have financial problems. I can't see Dan going there. As for Sinclair, he's got a contract until next summer.
Wot, no parachute payment ? Mind you, that didn't help SC**thorpe.
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I was under the impression that both Mooney and Sinclair still have a year on their contracts with, in Mooneys case, the option of a further year?
I would have thought that after the big bucks capture of CCC that would preclude us bidding for either (unless their clubs release them.) Seeing as how Southend are still under a transfer embargo and can't offer new contracts (ie can't sign players easily) isn't that very unlikely?
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I was under the impression that both Mooney and Sinclair still have a year on their contracts with, in Mooneys case, the option of a further year?
I would have thought that after the big bucks capture of CCC that would preclude us bidding for either (unless their clubs release them.) Seeing as how Southend are still under a transfer embargo and can't offer new contracts (ie can't sign players easily) isn't that very unlikely?
Depending on how both clubs (and players) start, we may make a mid season move