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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Brian Flynn on February 15, 2014, 01:55:14 PM
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The referee has inspected the pitch & has decided that it is unfit for play as the pitch is too wet.
There has been a fair bit of rain this morning but it is currently dry & bright with no more rain forecast.
The referee has agreed to review the situation around 2pm but we are all on tenterhooks here!
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This is a disgrace, there's 30 Alty fans that have paid £60 odd to get here by train, if there was any doubt at 9am then what are we doing here now, it's not raining and will only improve surely, the suns out for goodness sake
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If both teams want to start it ( and I believe they do ) he should start it or delay the kick off until say 3:30 or later if allowed.
Workington will want it on as much as we do.
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Staggering.
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When will common sense prevail in these matters?
Why cant Alty's travel costs, fans travel costs, fixture backlogs, time off work for players now for rearranged game be taken into account.
He should have a least tried it or delayed it an hour...
So gutted for the people who have gone and wish I was with them in a bizarre way. Utter sh*t.
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i've always said that these days people look for reasons to cancel rather than reasons to go ahead.
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It happened couple of season ago at Moss Lane when we played Eastbourne remember , frozen pitch called off an hour before kickoff if i remember correctly ,after local ref said it was fit in morning , not fair on traveling supporters .
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It happened couple of season ago at Moss Lane when we played Eastbourne remember , frozen pitch called off an hour before kickoff if i remember correctly ,after local ref said it was fit in morning , not fair on traveling supporters .
Frozen pitch could be classed as a danger though in this namby pamby world Alan.
The worst that happens on a wet pitch is that the ball doesn't roll right.
Ask both managers, if both agree that there could be times when that happens then play it.
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Very surprised that he didn't leave it for an hour. Its not as if its just up the road ffs
No wonder officialdom gets a hard time on and off the pitch, they come to some very bizzare decisions, sadly far too often nowadays at all levels.
Sadly its the loyal followers who end up out of pocket
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
This is exactly why games get postponed. We live in a blame society where every bugger is looking for some sort of compo. Its all over the TV adverts with nobheads like Andrew Castle making fkn thousands out of it. Its an unfortunate import from the USA.
Tragic as they are for the victims,but just wait and see how many people jump on the flooding compo bandwagon.
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The match ref only lives in Sunderland so he can leave home at lunch time and be here for 1:30,either him,the ref who's doing southports game that passed it as playable at 9am or Workington souls be accountable, absolute disgrace,I'm struggling to write this due to the glare from the sun..
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
This is exactly why games get postponed. We live in a blame society where every bugger is looking for some sort of compo. Its all over the TV adverts with nobheads like Andrew Castle making fkn thousands out of it. Its an unfortunate import from the USA.
Tragic as they are for the victims,but just wait and see how many people jump on the flooding compo bandwagon.
No idea who Andrew Castle is but do agree with your sentiments.
Flood victims can claim on their insurance, if they have any. Living not far from the Ouse I've had one rejection trying to get house insurance, despite their being no history whatsoever of flooding in my area.
Still gutted for the Alty that went today.
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
This is exactly why games get postponed. We live in a blame society where every bugger is looking for some sort of compo. Its all over the TV adverts with nobheads like Andrew Castle making fkn thousands out of it. Its an unfortunate import from the USA.
Tragic as they are for the victims,but just wait and see how many people jump on the flooding compo bandwagon.
This is the problem and I don't blame the match referee if he honestly deemed the pitch unplayable. If both teams disagreed with his decision then questions will be asked. In the end the referee is responsible.
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
This is exactly why games get postponed. We live in a blame society where every bugger is looking for some sort of compo. Its all over the TV adverts with nobheads like Andrew Castle making fkn thousands out of it. Its an unfortunate import from the USA.
Tragic as they are for the victims,but just wait and see how many people jump on the flooding compo bandwagon.
This is the problem and I don't blame the match referee if he honestly deemed the pitch unplayable. If both teams disagreed with his decision then questions will be asked. In the end the referee is responsible.
Former tennis player and GMTV presenter who doesn't take to lightly to being told he's a dick on twitter
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Its a tricky one this, at the end of the day the ref this morning who said it was fit is NOT the referee for the game, so any responsibility he will be accountable for. I certainly agree that games seem to called off at a whim more easily than actually trying to get the game to go ahead.
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
This is exactly why games get postponed. We live in a blame society where every bugger is looking for some sort of compo. Its all over the TV adverts with nobheads like Andrew Castle making fkn thousands out of it. Its an unfortunate import from the USA.
Tragic as they are for the victims,but just wait and see how many people jump on the flooding compo bandwagon.
This is the problem and I don't blame the match referee if he honestly deemed the pitch unplayable. If both teams disagreed with his decision then questions will be asked. In the end the referee is responsible.
Former tennis player and GMTV presenter who doesn't take to lightly to being told he's a dick on twitter
There is probably some truth in it and he probably realises it deep down. I never understand why these B listers go on twitter and then get all arsey when folks post bad stuff about them. Just avoid going on there ffs
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Some sh*te results today. Wins for Ferriby, Telford and Harrogate who now leapfrog us into 6th.
Update - Solihull beat Hednesford, which means Solihull also leapfrog us. Now sitting in 8th. Balls.
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Some sh*te results today. Wins for Ferriby, Telford and Harrogate who now leapfrog us into 6th.
Update - Solihull beat Hednesford, which means Solihull also leapfrog us. Now sitting in 8th. Balls.
Depends which way you look at it. Had we played and won today, we'd be 7th still but only 5 points off 2nd with games in hand over everyone. Put a run together and we'll be there.
As for my thoughts on the postponement, 10 years ago that game is played. But such is football in this age (and as mentioned the where there's blame there's a claim mentality in this country) ref was always going to call it off. What puzzles me is what happened between 9am and the ref arriving at 1:30pm. As weather worsened, wouldn't it had been wise to get that ref to come down again at 11:30 before he set off to southport?
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Some sh*te results today. Wins for Ferriby, Telford and Harrogate who now leapfrog us into 6th.
Update - Solihull beat Hednesford, which means Solihull also leapfrog us. Now sitting in 8th. Balls.
Depends which way you look at it. Had we played and won today, we'd be 7th still but only 5 points off 2nd with games in hand over everyone. Put a run together and we'll be there.
As for my thoughts on the postponement, 10 years ago that game is played. But such is football in this age (and as mentioned the where there's blame there's a claim mentality in this country) ref was always going to call it off. What puzzles me is what happened between 9am and the ref arriving at 1:30pm. As weather worsened, wouldn't it had been wise to get that ref to come down again at 11:30 before he set off to southport?
correct with storms about and that, is there no way of sorting it out early
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
This is exactly why games get postponed. We live in a blame society where every bugger is looking for some sort of compo. Its all over the TV adverts with nobheads like Andrew Castle making fkn thousands out of it. Its an unfortunate import from the USA.
Tragic as they are for the victims,but just wait and see how many people jump on the flooding compo bandwagon.
What is the flood compo bandwagon ?
You pay your insurance for years and when you need it, you claim?
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Yes Mark , but if players and managers agree to play , who is then held responsible if someone gets hurt because of the conditions .
This is exactly why games get postponed. We live in a blame society where every bugger is looking for some sort of compo. Its all over the TV adverts with nobheads like Andrew Castle making fkn thousands out of it. Its an unfortunate import from the USA.
Tragic as they are for the victims,but just wait and see how many people jump on the flooding compo bandwagon.
who gives a dam about usa
What is the flood compo bandwagon ?
You pay your insurance for years and when you need it, you claim?
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Explanation rather than excuses@
The local guy who inspected this morning will have assessed whether the pitch was playable at the time he inspected so, at 9.00 it was okay.
If it was marginal, given travelling distance for us, he may, having at all times been in contact with the Match Referee, have looked at local knowledge, weather forecasts etc. So, if it was as dark as a coal hole picnic with rain forecast he probably would have called it off - if it was dry and sunny, maybe with a wind, and local knowledge suggested that the prevailing conditions would dry it up some then he would have said that it was playable AT 9.00
If it then threw it down at 9.45 say or the anticipated wind and sunshine didn't appear then we are in the hands of the match official when he arrives.
His prime concern is safety, of players, officials and spectators. After that he might give some thought to whether the game would be a farce due to conditions.
Hope this helps in some way, although I doubt it will allay the irritation many are feeling
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Turn it in..... Home side leaned on the local side to say yes.Disgrace, he should be chalked off, fuming.
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If it then threw it down at 9.45 say or the anticipated wind and sunshine didn't appear then we are in the hands of the match official when he arrives.
Hope this helps in some way, although I doubt it will allay the irritation many are feeling
If this bit answers my question, it shows there is no common sense in the game. If conditions have changed since the original inspection, why wait for the match referee?? Get the local ref to head down again before he sets off for his game,and he can also save the match ref a journey.
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Explanation rather than excuses@
The local guy who inspected this morning will have assessed whether the pitch was playable at the time he inspected so, at 9.00 it was okay.
If it was marginal, given travelling distance for us, he may, having at all times been in contact with the Match Referee, have looked at local knowledge, weather forecasts etc. So, if it was as dark as a coal hole picnic with rain forecast he probably would have called it off - if it was dry and sunny, maybe with a wind, and local knowledge suggested that the prevailing conditions would dry it up some then he would have said that it was playable AT 9.00
If it then threw it down at 9.45 say or the anticipated wind and sunshine didn't appear then we are in the hands of the match official when he arrives.
His prime concern is safety, of players, officials and spectators. After that he might give some thought to whether the game would be a farce due to conditions.
Hope this helps in some way, although I doubt it will allay the irritation many are feeling
Surely if there is any doubt at all the ref should have looked at the weather forecasts and any available satellite pic (I'm sure these are available on Met Office sites). I would imagine most fans/players would prefer not to travel and discover the game playable that travel and have it called off at the 11th hour.
ATS, does the ref and/or teams have the authority to delay a game for an hour or so under these conditions? I remember one of the England WC qualifiers recently delayed for (I think) an hour and a half before finally being called off.
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If it then threw it down at 9.45 say or the anticipated wind and sunshine didn't appear then we are in the hands of the match official when he arrives.
Hope this helps in some way, although I doubt it will allay the irritation many are feeling
If this bit answers my question, it shows there is no common sense in the game. If conditions have changed since the original inspection, why wait for the match referee?? Get the local ref to head down again before he sets off for his game,and he can also save the match ref a journey.
I take your point Nasha but I would imagine that Mr Backhouse (the local Referee) would have been setting off to his game almost immediately so would not have been available.
If you read the report on the Official site there is mention of rain having fallen between the original inspection and the arrival of the match officials...the time scales given in that report suggest that it was after 10.00 am when the rain began in which case Mr Backhouse would almost certainly have been on his way to his game
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Explanation rather than excuses@
The local guy who inspected this morning will have assessed whether the pitch was playable at the time he inspected so, at 9.00 it was okay.
If it was marginal, given travelling distance for us, he may, having at all times been in contact with the Match Referee, have looked at local knowledge, weather forecasts etc. So, if it was as dark as a coal hole picnic with rain forecast he probably would have called it off - if it was dry and sunny, maybe with a wind, and local knowledge suggested that the prevailing conditions would dry it up some then he would have said that it was playable AT 9.00
If it then threw it down at 9.45 say or the anticipated wind and sunshine didn't appear then we are in the hands of the match official when he arrives.
His prime concern is safety, of players, officials and spectators. After that he might give some thought to whether the game would be a farce due to conditions.
Hope this helps in some way, although I doubt it will allay the irritation many are feeling
Surely if there is any doubt at all the ref should have looked at the weather forecasts and any available satellite pic (I'm sure these are available on Met Office sites). I would imagine most fans/players would prefer not to travel and discover the game playable that travel and have it called off at the 11th hour.
ATS, does the ref and/or teams have the authority to delay a game for an hour or so under these conditions? I remember one of the England WC qualifiers recently delayed for (I think) an hour and a half before finally being called off.
Yes the Referee has that authority provided, in his opinion and having taken account of weather forecasts, local knowledge and the CURRENT state of the playing surface, there is a realistic chance of it being in a suitable condition
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Explanation rather than excuses@
The local guy who inspected this morning will have assessed whether the pitch was playable at the time he inspected so, at 9.00 it was okay.
If it was marginal, given travelling distance for us, he may, having at all times been in contact with the Match Referee, have looked at local knowledge, weather forecasts etc. So, if it was as dark as a coal hole picnic with rain forecast he probably would have called it off - if it was dry and sunny, maybe with a wind, and local knowledge suggested that the prevailing conditions would dry it up some then he would have said that it was playable AT 9.00
If it then threw it down at 9.45 say or the anticipated wind and sunshine didn't appear then we are in the hands of the match official when he arrives.
His prime concern is safety, of players, officials and spectators. After that he might give some thought to whether the game would be a farce due to conditions.
Hope this helps in some way, although I doubt it will allay the irritation many are feeling
Surely if there is any doubt at all the ref should have looked at the weather forecasts and any available satellite pic (I'm sure these are available on Met Office sites). I would imagine most fans/players would prefer not to travel and discover the game playable that travel and have it called off at the 11th hour.
ATS, does the ref and/or teams have the authority to delay a game for an hour or so under these conditions? I remember one of the England WC qualifiers recently delayed for (I think) an hour and a half before finally being called off.
Yes the Referee has that authority provided, in his opinion and having taken account of weather forecasts, local knowledge and the CURRENT state of the playing surface, there is a realistic chance of it being in a suitable condition
Thankyou
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If it then threw it down at 9.45 say or the anticipated wind and sunshine didn't appear then we are in the hands of the match official when he arrives.
Hope this helps in some way, although I doubt it will allay the irritation many are feeling
If this bit answers my question, it shows there is no common sense in the game. If conditions have changed since the original inspection, why wait for the match referee?? Get the local ref to head down again before he sets off for his game,and he can also save the match ref a journey.
I take your point Nasha but I would imagine that Mr Backhouse (the local Referee) would have been setting off to his game almost immediately so would not have been available.
If you read the report on the Official site there is mention of rain having fallen between the original inspection and the arrival of the match officials...the time scales given in that report suggest that it was after 10.00 am when the rain began in which case Mr Backhouse would almost certainly have been on his way to his game
Then that again questions the referees common sense. Assuming he was meant to arrive at Southport for 1:30,that would give him 3 1/2 hours to get there. Why leave so early?? We left altrincham at just before 10 and arrived in Workington at 1:15. For a shorter distance, to get there for half 1 he could have easily left at 11.
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The local ref should never be charged with such responsibility again
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In that case Pete you would either have lots more postponements or Clubs paying out a lot more money for Match Officials to do the inspections
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Well it seems to me that either the first ref effed up big time or the second one does not follow the same regulations. Did the weather change?
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"Match referee, Graeme Fyvie, wasn't happy with the state of the pitch following torrential rain in the three hours before his arrival."
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In that case Pete you would either have lots more postponements or Clubs paying out a lot more money for Match Officials to do the inspections
The match official only lived in Sunderland, bowling up at 1:40 is unacceptable, he should have been there at lunchtime
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Maybe he had to take his kids swimming.
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In that case Pete you would either have lots more postponements or Clubs paying out a lot more money for Match Officials to do the inspections
The match official only lived in Sunderland, bowling up at 1:40 is unacceptable, he should have been there at lunchtime
It may be worth pointing out that Sunderland is over 100 miles from Workington & travel time is estimated at around 2hr 30 min by car.
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As maybe, he should still have been there at lunchtime
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Why?
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To save the integrity of the league, and not wait until supporters had travelled four hours to then be strung along for another half hour, but in referee world supporters aren't important.
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Yes they are Pete.
At what point would you want a Referee at a game then?
Once he sets off he is entitled to his expenses (The local Referee may not claim any for doing the initial inspection) If he is leaving home longer than a certain period from Kick Off he is then entitled to a Meal Allowance. If it's early enough he may be entitled to claim for an overnight stay?
All these costs must be met by the Home Club and, statistically, the number of times in a normal season things like Saturday happen is so miniscule as to make it impractical on a number of levels.
I will grant that this is not a normal season and also that it is spectatcularly annoying when it happens but have you thought how annoying it would have been for him to have been confronted by the circumstances he encountered on Saturday?
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Not really, he gets paid to do it, either Workington FC or one of the two refs involved should be accountable for that farce yesterday, but no one will be.Workingtons last home game against Oxford was called off at gone 2pm after passing an early inspection. Had the match ref done his homework he would got there earlier
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Pete
Please try to look at the overriding principals here rather than one incident
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Technically it's more than one incident though...
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I reckon we do the same to a club.. and let ATS justify it to the away fans.
I didnt travel on saturday (part timer etc..) due to a family bereavement. My dad actually joked it may be called off at midday anyway. Feel for those who travelled all that way.
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If there's a chance the pitch needs inspecting then it should be the match refs obligation to be as early as possible. So Sunderland is two and a half hours away. Set off at 7.30 and you'll be there at ten. Him getting there early wouldn't have stopped it raining but he could have monitored while it was coming down.
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I reckon we do the same to a club.. and let ATS justify it to the away fans.
I didnt travel on saturday (part timer etc..) due to a family bereavement. My dad actually joked it may be called off at midday anyway. Feel for those who travelled all that way.
Jack
Before getting all smart please be aware that it has happened at Moss Lane in the not TOO distant past where a Local Official declared it playable (At the time, assuming that the weather would be as forecast and the thaw would continue) The Match Official then arrived, went out to warm up, slipped on the icy bit which sadly hadn't thawed sufficiently and called the game off.
The away fans, whilst clearly none too pleased, accepted the circumstances (actually better than the Home fans who had just walked up from the Bridge)
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He could have left at 9 after the initial inspection like everyone else had to do
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I would refer the nonourable gentleman to my previous replies on this matter ;)
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That doesn't change the fact that he should have left home at 9am like everyone else travelling to the game.
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Health and Safety is the big issue i'm afraid the days of playing on bad pitches are long gone what should have happened was that the game should have been off Friday night Worcester did this to stop Barrow having a wasted journey and i would suggest that Aggborough is in better condition than Borough Park
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Stamford Park is in better condition than Borough Park ;)
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Still looking for a pitch for this Saturday for our eagerly anticipated game against Northwich Supporters.
Can we make it more games played than the main team in this calendar year? :)
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If games keep getting called off so easily make non league football a summer sport
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I don't like 3G pitches but now the FA have endorsed them maybe we should all have one, rent it out to whoever during the week and ensure games take place in a timely manner, one Saturday home game since new year is no good for anybody.
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I don't like 3G pitches but now the FA have endorsed them maybe we should all have one, rent it out to whoever during the week and ensure games take place in a timely manner, one Saturday home game since new year is no good for anybody.
I agree with one question, however! IF Man U want to play their U21s/reserve team at the JD, will they want their youngsters to play on a 3G pitch?
I believe playing on true surfaces can only help their development, but do the coaches at Man U feel the same?