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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on July 31, 2023, 12:20:31 PM
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Gone early i know.
Only seen yesterdays PSF so bit limited info. Also going to assume Joey Jones is available.
Ross
Banks. Jones. Baines. Jones
Marriott. Jones
Amaluzor. Con-Clarke. Donawa
Angus.
Alty 2-0 D&R (Con-Clarke, Amaluzor)
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Is Linney injured from yesterday?
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Is Linney injured from yesterday?
Not that im aware of
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Won't happen but would like to see the below. Donawa and Amaluzor would be immense together.
Ross
Donawa. Jones. Baines. Jones
Marriott. Jones
Amaluzor. Con-Clarke. Kossy.
Linney
If Joey Jones isn't fit then Wilson in CM.
Still a CM short.
Subs Angus, Banks, Roscoe, Wilson, Osborne
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Elliott Osborne did well yesterday, so he'll start alongside Isaac.
Longer term, if Joey Jones has fitness issues... is it time to resurrect the debate about whether Kossy can convert to a deeper midfield role? He's not getting any younger and as sharp as he's looked in pre season, he's come back from a serious injury and he's never going to have the explosive turn of pace that the Justins / Cricky have.
Would probably give away some silly fouls, but from a ball retention point of view I doubt it could be much worse than what Elliott showed us last season.
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Elliott Osborne did well yesterday, so he'll start alongside Isaac.
Longer term, if Joey Jones has fitness issues... is it time to resurrect the debate about whether Kossy can convert to a deeper midfield role? He's not getting any younger and as sharp as he's looked in pre season, he's come back from a serious injury and he's never going to have the explosive turn of pace that the Justins / Cricky have.
Would probably give away some silly fouls, but from a ball retention point of view I doubt it could be much worse than what Elliott showed us last season.
Kossy in midfield would be a bad idea.
He wouldn't have the legs for it.
He and Marriot would be the smallest CM in the league.
My main concern about losing Lundstram, is we could play with just two in there, comfortably, as they covered so much ground. Very fit players.
Both Lundstram and Marriott could drive us forward. Elliott hasn't got that ability,very much side to side, short passes.
I am hoping Joey Jones gets himself fit, but I just have a bad gut feeling he will be injured a lot.
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The way the pre season has concluded, I’m sure PP & Sorvs know the team they want to start with on Sat.
I do fancy us to have a good go of it on Saturday. D&R are no mugs but I do fancy us to win by the odd goal.
Looking forward to it
2-1 Alty
Att 1977
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My heart says am going for 3-0 Alty, but my head says 1-1 draw for 1st game, 2196 attendance.
Always liked Roxette!!
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Elliott Osborne did well yesterday, so he'll start alongside Isaac.
Longer term, if Joey Jones has fitness issues... is it time to resurrect the debate about whether Kossy can convert to a deeper midfield role? He's not getting any younger and as sharp as he's looked in pre season, he's come back from a serious injury and he's never going to have the explosive turn of pace that the Justins / Cricky have.
Would probably give away some silly fouls, but from a ball retention point of view I doubt it could be much worse than what Elliott showed us last season.
Kossy in midfield would be a bad idea.
He wouldn't have the legs for it.
He and Marriot would be the smallest CM in the league.
My main concern about losing Lundstram, is we could play with just two in there, comfortably, as they covered so much ground. Very fit players.
Both Lundstram and Marriott could drive us forward. Elliott hasn't got that ability,very much side to side, short passes.
I am hoping Joey Jones gets himself fit, but I just have a bad gut feeling he will be injured a lot.
If he's not got the legs for central midfield, then surely it stands that he wouldn't have the legs for left wing - where he's almost certain to start on Saturday? There's plenty of examples of players dropping into deeper roles later in their careers, e.g. Giggs - in fact, Ben Pringle did it for us too.
For me, he'll still have the stamina but not the turn of pace to make a difference in going past people like he uaed to be able to. Having spent time out together he'd partner well with Isaac too.
We probably also need his sh*thousery in the middle of the park to diffuse some games.
Just a thought, but I'm sure Parky would agree with you on it.
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Elliott Osborne did well yesterday, so he'll start alongside Isaac.
Longer term, if Joey Jones has fitness issues... is it time to resurrect the debate about whether Kossy can convert to a deeper midfield role? He's not getting any younger and as sharp as he's looked in pre season, he's come back from a serious injury and he's never going to have the explosive turn of pace that the Justins / Cricky have.
Would probably give away some silly fouls, but from a ball retention point of view I doubt it could be much worse than what Elliott showed us last season.
Kossy in midfield would be a bad idea.
He wouldn't have the legs for it.
He and Marriot would be the smallest CM in the league.
My main concern about losing Lundstram, is we could play with just two in there, comfortably, as they covered so much ground. Very fit players.
Both Lundstram and Marriott could drive us forward. Elliott hasn't got that ability,very much side to side, short passes.
I am hoping Joey Jones gets himself fit, but I just have a bad gut feeling he will be injured a lot.
If he's not got the legs for central midfield, then surely it stands that he wouldn't have the legs for left wing - where he's almost certain to start on Saturday? There's plenty of examples of players dropping into deeper roles later in their careers, e.g. Giggs - in fact, Ben Pringle did it for us too.
For me, he'll still have the stamina but not the turn of pace to make a difference in going past people like he uaed to be able to. Having spent time out together he'd partner well with Isaac too.
We probably also need his sh*thousery in the middle of the park to diffuse some games.
Just a thought, but I'm sure Parky would agree with you on it.
I get what he's saying. Midfielders cover the most ground, wingers have short bursts of pace
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How's the pitch bearing up? It's wet out.
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Elliott Osborne did well yesterday, so he'll start alongside Isaac.
Longer term, if Joey Jones has fitness issues... is it time to resurrect the debate about whether Kossy can convert to a deeper midfield role? He's not getting any younger and as sharp as he's looked in pre season, he's come back from a serious injury and he's never going to have the explosive turn of pace that the Justins / Cricky have.
Would probably give away some silly fouls, but from a ball retention point of view I doubt it could be much worse than what Elliott showed us last season.
Kossy in midfield would be a bad idea.
He wouldn't have the legs for it.
He and Marriot would be the smallest CM in the league.
My main concern about losing Lundstram, is we could play with just two in there, comfortably, as they covered so much ground. Very fit players.
Both Lundstram and Marriott could drive us forward. Elliott hasn't got that ability,very much side to side, short passes.
I am hoping Joey Jones gets himself fit, but I just have a bad gut feeling he will be injured a lot.
If he's not got the legs for central midfield, then surely it stands that he wouldn't have the legs for left wing - where he's almost certain to start on Saturday? There's plenty of examples of players dropping into deeper roles later in their careers, e.g. Giggs - in fact, Ben Pringle did it for us too.
For me, he'll still have the stamina but not the turn of pace to make a difference in going past people like he uaed to be able to. Having spent time out together he'd partner well with Isaac too.
We probably also need his sh*thousery in the middle of the park to diffuse some games.
Just a thought, but I'm sure Parky would agree with you on it.
I get what he's saying. Midfielders cover the most ground, wingers have short bursts of pace
As stated above, CM will cover a lot more ground. Steady running over distance, as also mentioned, wingers do short bursts, which will suit Kossy more.
Just hoping Jones will be fit enough to start.
I haven't seen any pre season. Are we confident Banks has stepped up in the last two games? It has sounded like he has over the radio.
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Kossy can't do defensive midfield as he prospers best when given a freer role ie number ten or wide up front (imho!)
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How about a midfield diamond :
Osborne or Joey Jones
Kosylo. Marriott
Conn-Clarke
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All I've seen from Kossy is someone who loves to run at goal. "All" is used loosely
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I suspect Kossy will lose the short bursts before his overall stamina - there's a reason marathon runners peak later than 100m sprinters, and as I've said there's a reason players drop deeper later in their careers.
On to Saturday... given they're likely to deploy a 352, does that put our 4231 at risk of leaving them a man over behind our wingers and going at our full backs? Their left wing back Lewis Page is quality, so maybe we stand them up man for man in the system we used v Stockport, deploy Donawa at right wing back and rely on our home advantage to pin them back rather than the other way round?
The suggestion of the two Justins down the same flank is an interesting one - I'd love to see it.
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Ross
Banks Jones Baines Jones
Amaluzor Marriott Osborne CCC
Linney Angus
Angus looked sharp at the weekend so hopefully him and linney play up top together.
Kosylo to come off the bench and score the winner on his return (2-1 alty)
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Ross
Banks Jones Baines Jones
Amaluzor Marriott Osborne CCC
Linney Angus
Angus looked sharp at the weekend so hopefully him and linney play up top together.
Kosylo to come off the bench and score the winner on his return (2-1 alty)
CCC is half the player out wide.
Linney up top and Angus to come and partner later in the game.....
Need to be having :-
Striker
No. 10
2 wide players to start the game.
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Ross
Donowa
Jones
Baines
Jones
Marriott
Kosylo
Conn-Clarke
Amaluzor
Angus
Linney
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Ross
Banks Jones Baines Jones
Amaluzor Marriott Osborne CCC
Linney Angus
Angus looked sharp at the weekend so hopefully him and linney play up top together.
Kosylo to come off the bench and score the winner on his return (2-1 alty)
CCC is half the player out wide.
Linney up top and Angus to come and partner later in the game.....
Need to be having :-
Striker
No. 10
2 wide players to start the game.
Yes, that's it. Dior Angus played well when he came on on Sunday but, after so few pre-season minutes, I can't see him starting.
That may change in the future, but not just yet, until he has had a few runs out as a sub.
Also agree we should use CCC in his best position as a number 10.
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CCC at 10 is an utter nobrainer.
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Some interesting opinions on here! We all see the game in very different ways.
It's apparent to me that we'll have two systems - the 4231 that we've been accustomed to for years, and the 3421 that worked well in the first half against Stockport.
Given they'll line up with wing backs I do think the best policy would be to match them up and go 3421 - especially given that's how Stockport play too, and it's the first time in many attempts against them that I've genuinely seen them struggle to have an answer for us. Cricky in particular was picking up some great positions in the channels between the middle and the wing.
But I do suspect Parky will go with the 4231 that lined up against United last week.
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We'll go 4-2-3-1 and win 3-1.
Come on you Supers 👍 🇦🇹 🏆 🥇
PS. That just might be the several pints of Old Speckled Hen talking! 😂
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Ross
Banks Jones Baines Jones
Amaluzor Marriott Osborne CCC
Linney Angus
Angus looked sharp at the weekend so hopefully him and linney play up top together.
Kosylo to come off the bench and score the winner on his return (2-1 alty)
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67706c0000da846c678a5177844f2b2d8be8fe)
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Will it be rained off?
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Will it be rained off?
I think it would be a first if Game number 1 in August fell foul to the weather,one thing for certain the pitch won't require a pre match water
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Will it be rained off?
I think it would be a first if Game number 1 in August fell foul to the weather,one thing for certain the pitch won't require a pre match water
Will be typical Alty to turn up and the sprinklers are on ;D
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Will it be rained off?
I think it would be a first if Game number 1 in August fell foul to the weather,one thing for certain the pitch won't require a pre match water
The curtain-raiser against York four years ago very nearly fell foul of the wet weather in the build-up.
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I hate to say it but.......what time is the pitch inspection
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I hate to say it but.......what time is the pitch inspection
Not looking good, is it :-\
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According to the forecast the worst of
The rain should pass by 12 could be light rain during the game.
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Forecast is it'll ease off to a downpour at 1400. 😁
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Does anyone know if the family stand is available to paying home spectators today or might it just be away fans and hospitality guests?
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Unchanged XI from last week.
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RR has gone back to playing music, just as the extra 9 mins started. Is it just me that has this?
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Nope! I’ve got Kajagoogoo for Christ’s sake😠
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RR has gone back to playing music, just as the extra 9 mins started. Is it just me that has this?
Nope me too. Is it a five o'clock thing? Needs to be sorted if this added time thing keeps matches going past 5pm.
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Nope! I’ve got Kajagoogoo for Christ’s sake😠
Well, some comfort it's not my fault but yeah, it's pants really.
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1-1 in last min of added time.
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Hard to take…..ugh!
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90 + 7 equalizer >:(
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We need to go back to our own radio set up. This lot are hopeless
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We need to go back to our own radio set up. This lot are hopeless
Especially with no club text updates. I had to resort to BBC who still think we play 442 and despite fielding outfield players wearing 2-11 put kosylo at centre back and Baines on the wing!
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Two awful performances on the whole but Dagenham were there for the taking. Alty's best was just before and just after the goal and then they just stopped. I don't know if that was poor tactics or just poor play.
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It obviously hurts but I wouldn't say the performance was awful. Much of the game played out like a season opener, but we played some good stuff. Our lack of a clinical edge costing us again.
Now this new added time directive is in force, we need to be much smarter than that. I'm not sure taking your talisman off the pitch when they know they've got a good 15 minutes or so to score, is a good move - unless he's taken a knock. You make the game bitty, then you concede a bitty goal.
That said, if it wasn't for the goalkeeper things could have been worse. He's a massive upgrade and he deserved better. The back line were solid too, up until the 98th minute.
Still a centre midfielder short.
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Very encouraging performance.
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A lot of positives but we struggled to use Justin the second half. He drifted inside and became anonymous. Disappointing to concede but a ridiculous amount of added time!
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this extra more realistic amount of added time thing was first seen in last years world cup and is also employed in the currently happening womens world cup. its going to play havoc with the bbc's final score. none of the results will be in!
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Should have been out of sight. Baines, Banks, Con-Clarke and Linney all guilty of sh*t finishing. 2 can be be forgiven.
i assume Amaluzor was told to play more central second half, but it nullified him.
Can't fault any player. Ross and Osbourne were superb.
The white elephant is Linneys inability to score
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Two even (albeit with different footballing styles) solid midtable teams played out a fair 1-1.
Both keepers and pairs of centre backs were superb. CCC was the only player on the pitch with genuine star quality.
The manner in which we conceded (deep in injury time) was disappointing but the performance was okay and there is a great deal to be encouraged about.
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A really good performance by much of the team, just unlucky at the end. Where did all the extra time come from? Thought Ross and Justin (11) were outstanding. Baines was solid at the back and did all the talking and organising. I don’t understand JJ as captain, didn’t mutter a word and not the one for getting this team through to the end of a match. Osbourne had a better game but still made some strange challenges, but can see he’s been working hard from the last few seasons. PP definitely got the subs wrong and at the wrong times. Sat back too early and with the wrong personnel. Ross MOTM. Well done you Robins, playoffs here we come.
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We've not yet mentioned the most baffling decision of the lot.
Pushing our best defensive midfielder up to No10.
Utter insanity.
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Agree ABF we slip in game management mode to early. We should be 2 goals clear as we're likey to concede especially with 2 giants centre forwards on the pitch
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First half was a typical first game.
Second half we were better, Kossy and CCC stepped up.
Should have kept Amaluzor on the pitch. At times he lost it, but he was a threat with his drives, could be an improved Ceesay.
Never a fan of going defensive with a goal in it and we need to consider when we decide to do it, with all the extra time that will be played. Felt as soon as CCC went off we sat back, far too long.
Ross was very very good. Fair result, but Ross didn't deserve to concede then.
Osborne had a good game.
Overall, a top day and love the Fanzone.
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was the added extra time added because of stoppages for VAR and the time that took,as a league that does not have VAR why so much time added 17 minutes is a hell of a lot.
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Bath AltyI use alty nitter feed they have the text updates for when the radio alty fails as it usually does.here is the link.
https://nitter.net/altrinchamfc
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I’m afraid Osbourne gives away far too many free kicks which ends up putting us under pressure.
Dior Angus looked good when he came on. Look forward to seeing him more of him. Kossy impressed on his first full game, great to see him back. The keeper was excellent. CCC scored a good goal.
Dagenham are what they are. Lots of big lads up top, keep slinging in crosses and eventually one of them will connect. Couldn’t watch that style each week.
No better or worse result than last year.
Yet again a poor ref who loved being the centre of attention and a linesman on the Pop side who was poor and chose to ignore the shirt pulling.
I wonder how long this extra added time fiasco will continue.
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Should have been out of sight. Baines, Banks, Con-Clarke and Linney all guilty of sh*t finishing. 2 can be be forgiven.
i assume Amaluzor was told to play more central second half, but it nullified him.
Can't fault any player. Ross and Osbourne were superb.
The white elephant is Linneys inability to score
Is this white elephant in the room?
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Should have been out of sight. Baines, Banks, Con-Clarke and Linney all guilty of sh*t finishing. 2 can be be forgiven.
i assume Amaluzor was told to play more central second half, but it nullified him.
Can't fault any player. Ross and Osbourne were superb.
The white elephant is Linneys inability to score
Should have scored.
Linney will come good. He was a menace.
Confident him and CCC will form a decent partnership. Something we've missed since the Hulme and Hancock days.
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Linney will come good like Byrne will come good, but I'm not sure its going to worth the wait. I'd expect him to be either on the bench or loaned out before very long.
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Perhaps Angus will start when fitter? Linney coming on as an impact sub?
There's no way he's going anywhere on loan. It's purely a matter of his development and integration - building his connections and rapport with a settled attacking unit. (imho)
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I think the elephant in the room is that it is difficult for any number 9 given the system we play. How many have found it difficult? Look how Dinanga has prospered since he left. 442 would see the best of Angus and Linney (two perfectly capable strikers) but the chosen system (which I'm not critiscing) is just the one up top. I genuinely believe that only a number 9 like the beast D&R had today would function as a lone striker.
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Bath AltyI use alty nitter feed they have the text updates for when the radio alty fails as it usually does.here is the link.
https://nitter.net/altrinchamfc
Thanks harold
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Osborne was my MOTM today he was great. Happy with a point overall but the added time was a joke. Later in the season and we win that 1-0 because of the time. We will be fine this season based on today
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I feel that after the subs came on we should have switched to 3 at the back
ROSS
BANKS J.JONES BAINES
DONAWA E.JONES
JOEY JONES
MARRIOTT OSBOURNE
KOSYLO
ANGUS
instead of trying to fit players into the 4-2-3-1.
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Should have just kept CCC, gone for a second,he was dictating the game.
Would have kept Amaluzor on a lot longer.
Joey Jones looked lost when he came on. Might have been better having Wilson's energy.
Or if we had chosen to go 3 at the back, then Roscoe for his height.
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Linney will come good like Byrne will come good, but I'm not sure its going to worth the wait. I'd expect him to be either on the bench or loaned out before very long.
Absolute nonsense - like comparing apples with pears, and despite how much Dinanga has flourished at Gateshead I'd still rather have Linney, I think he's a better footballer and he seems to have a good understanding with those around him - he fits into our style of play well.
He averaged a goal every 195 minutes last season and we're one game into this one for Christ's sake.
I do think it's the main drawback of our 4231 system - Jordan had many frustrating afternoons over the years where he had little support. I did think the 3421 we tried pre-season worked better given we could get the wing backs pushed higher up the pitch. Look at the first goal v Stockport (and the scorer).
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Osborne was my MOTM today he was great. Happy with a point overall but the added time was a joke. Later in the season and we win that 1-0 because of the time. We will be fine this season based on today
I think we're going a little overboard on Osborne here. He still gave the ball away plenty of times, it's just that he managed to redeem a few times with good challenges.
As good as he is technically with his feet - he can often ping a very accurate pass - it's his footballing brain which lets him down; compared to those around him that thread together those lovely one-touch move that set us free on the attack, he'll pause... turn around... and then pass backwards.
One incident epitomised him well in the first half when the ball hung in the air for him unchallenged - his teammate shouted 'time' at least twice... and yet he couldn't get his brain in gear to bring it down, instead he decided to head it aimlessly inside into a dangerous position for them.
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Osborne was my MOTM today he was great. Happy with a point overall but the added time was a joke. Later in the season and we win that 1-0 because of the time. We will be fine this season based on today
I think we're going a little overboard on Osborne here. He still gave the ball away plenty of times, it's just that he managed to redeem a few times with good challenges.
As good as he is technically with his feet - he can often ping a very accurate pass - it's his footballing brain which lets him down; compared to those around him that thread together those lovely one-touch move that set us free on the attack, he'll pause... turn around... and then pass backwards.
One incident epitomised him well in the first half when the ball hung in the air for him unchallenged - his teammate shouted 'time' at least twice... and yet he couldn't get his brain in gear to bring it down, instead he decided to head it aimlessly inside into a dangerous position for them.
He also gave away the needless free kick which led to their corner, then their goal. Our club Twitter confirmed this! Just stand in front of your player lad without committing the foul.
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I find Osbourne very frustrating.
8 out 10 yesterday but the missing 2 is woeful
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I find Osbourne very frustrating.
8 out 10 yesterday but the missing 2 is woeful
I think it's a case of I really want to like him but he keeps displaying traits that convince me to wish we had someone better and more reliable.
Perhaps the final addition we've been (almost) promised if season ticket sales meet expectations will address the issue?
PS. How did we get on with the season tickets by the way?
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I find Osbourne very frustrating.
8 out 10 yesterday but the missing 2 is woeful
I think it's a case of I really want to like him but he keeps displaying traits that convince me to wish we had someone better and more reliable.
Perhaps the final addition we've been (almost) promised if season ticket sales meet expectations will address the issue?
PS. How did we get on with the season tickets by the way?
We are defo a decent CM short.
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Osborne was my MOTM today he was great. Happy with a point overall but the added time was a joke. Later in the season and we win that 1-0 because of the time. We will be fine this season based on today
I think we're going a little overboard on Osborne here. He still gave the ball away plenty of times, it's just that he managed to redeem a few times with good challenges.
As good as he is technically with his feet - he can often ping a very accurate pass - it's his footballing brain which lets him down; compared to those around him that thread together those lovely one-touch move that set us free on the attack, he'll pause... turn around... and then pass backwards.
One incident epitomised him well in the first half when the ball hung in the air for him unchallenged - his teammate shouted 'time' at least twice... and yet he couldn't get his brain in gear to bring it down, instead he decided to head it aimlessly inside into a dangerous position for them.
Exactly this . His lack of instinct and that extra time he needs to think of what to do next has cost us before and will continue to do so . Footballing skills can be improved bit those heat of the moment decision making situations are different .
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Positive performance all round.....some players stood out more than others, but overall each player did well against an organised side.....we would have lost that last season.
Problem remains though......our goals to clear chances ratio is far too low. Game was like Trophy semi where we should have been further ahead and the single goal was never enough.
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Just watched the usual excellent Alty TV highlights. How on earth did we not get a penalty when their guy practically removed Baines's shirt? The referee was right in line, and had a clear view of it!
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The ref must have decided before the game that he wasn't going to give pens for shirt pulling. In fairness, Baines had hold of their number 9 for most of the game.
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Baines had hold of their number 9 for most of the game.
He's allowed. He's one of the Good Guys 😉
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With these new rules adopted, can we not get ball boys/girls back and also have a multi ball system to reduce time when ball out of the ground or off pitch etc. That will reduce additional time etc.
On the game, thought we deserved all the points, but we need to be more clinical. Thought we managed the game poorly at the end and gave them the impetuous to come back into it. Overall a good start for us to build upon.
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I've calmed down now! Yes we retreated too far, however they'll feel they fashioned enough key chances to go away with a point. Great header from the corner too.
Seemed there were a lot of late goals on Saturday - not just in the National League, but across the entire league system - and some teams threw away 2 goal leads too.
We could also be Oldham fans - touted as title contenders, 600-mile round trip, to get annihilated by a team that hasn't even trained.
Possibly the best argument yet not to take too much from pre-season - given our customary slow starts, maybe we should abolish them ourselves?!
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Time to bring up the old chestnut of moving the CSC to close season again? 😂
PS. Not really!
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Time to bring up the old chestnut of moving the CSC to close season again? 😂
PS. Not really!
Perhaps stage it in Holland?
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Time to bring up the old chestnut of moving the CSC to close season again? 😂
PS. Not really!
Perhaps stage it in Holland?
Baxenden? (Holland Pie factory 🏭!) 😉
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Time to bring up the old chestnut of moving the CSC to close season again? 😂
PS. Not really!
Perhaps stage it in Holland?
Baxenden? (Holland Pie factory 🏭!) 😉
I'm up for that. Feel a poll coming on.🍮🍮🍮
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I noticed their keeper was in the team of the week, didn't think he was even the best keeper at our game. Thought Ross was superb
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I noticed their keeper was in the team of the week, didn't think he was even the best keeper at our game. Thought Ross was superb
Agreed… The people at Vanarama are southern softies and favour the majority of southern/London clubs
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I noticed their keeper was in the team of the week, didn't think he was even the best keeper at our game. Thought Ross was superb
He was, however their bloke certainly kept them in the game.
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one thing i did notice was that stewarding had returned to the previously relaxed levels. maybe just because this was a lower profile game. i was slightly amused by the lack of enforcement of the segregations as people walked around the quite obvious barriers to use toilets, catering or just to sit in the wrong place.