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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on October 28, 2015, 09:07:16 PM
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FA CUP MATCH: CLUB STATEMENT
"Altrincham FC were notified today by the FA at 1.45pm that our Emirates FA Cup game vs Barnsley had been chosen to be one of eight games moved to Sunday November 8th with a 2pm kick off for live single camera footage with an FA compensation fee of £12,500 payable to the club.
By 3.30pm we were notified by the FA that Barnsley FC would not agree to this move and therefore the game would remain on Saturday 7th November.
Representations were made to Barnsley FC by both our secretary, Derek Wilshaw, and myself but to no avail. They wished to stick to their Saturday /Tuesday game schedule and were averse to moving another fixture.
The FA have power to force clubs who are involved in a live game to play at a specified time and date. However, they are not happy to impose such sanctions when it involves a live single-camera game.
Therefore, unfortunately, we yet again lose out on an opportunity to parade our talents live in the FA Cup".
Grahame Rowley, Chairman.
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Ffs
Let's make sure we progress
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Smacks of Tail wagging dog.
They just dont wanna dip out on their sunday Yarkshire pud wiv gravy
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Incentive for the lads.
Maybe they don't want to be seen getting beaten on live TV!
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Arsed
The only real money to be made in this round is by live TV, which was not offered
We will make up the difference of £12.5k by getting a bigger gate
Stop complaining - start selling tickets
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Arsed
The only real money to be made in this round is by live TV, which was not offered
We will make up the difference of £12.5k by getting a bigger gate
Stop complaining - start selling tickets
I'm sure they will start to be sold when they are printed.
Bit rude to the chairman the tone of that, you can see why he'd be annoyed at it and as everyone was pretty baffled why it wasn't picked for TV. Now they know.
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This should be put up on the dressing room wall
What happened to helping grass roots football ?
Really want to win this now more than I already did
Come on alty we can do this then get the TV gig
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Its supposed to be a compensation payment (as the statement says)
Lets get on and arrange this match before it becomes a bit of a wet lettuce due to poncing about like we did for the Millwall game
We can make up the 12.5k due to additional ticket sales for a Saturday
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Jamie
We did not "ponce about" as you call it for the Millwall match.
Due to the categorisation of the fixture by TMBC and GMP we were effectively relieved and much input or control of the circumstances surrounding that fixture.
I, and I would think many others who were involved in this game, the meetings and the preparation find your post offensive and insulting - not that you'll give a toss of course as I believe that you revel in the role of chief faeces agitator
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Its supposed to be a compensation payment (as the statement says)
Lets get on and arrange this match before it becomes a bit of a wet lettuce due to poncing about like we did for the Millwall game
We can make up the 12.5k due to additional ticket sales for a Saturday
I might be wrong, but I thought the gate was split three ways after expensives.
This would mean that we would have to take another £35.500 gate receipts!!
I don't think that is going to happen.
Hope I'm proved wrong.
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Didn't Luton do something similar to us with the replay?
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Didn't Luton do something similar to us with the replay?
Think so..............cannot remember the exact circumstances though.
On the topic of the Millwall game........all pubs in Timperley shut on police instruction !........ Moss Trooper and Sylvan (my locals at the time) not open at dinner time.........now that is wrong, I bet GMP don't close the Bishops Blaize, the Gorsehill or the Tollgate Tavern when Millwall come to town.............rant over
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Its supposed to be a compensation payment (as the statement says)
Lets get on and arrange this match before it becomes a bit of a wet lettuce due to poncing about like we did for the Millwall game
We can make up the 12.5k due to additional ticket sales for a Saturday
I might be wrong, but I thought the gate was split three ways after expensives.
This would mean that we would have to take another £35.500 gate receipts!!
I don't think that is going to happen.
Hope I'm proved wrong.
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According to the FA rules you have a different split depending on the round and if it is a replay.
It is gate receipts minus VAT, expenses such as policing, stewarding, away team travel, referees fees etc. That gives the net receipts to be split. For the Barnsley match the split is 50/50.
So, roughly speaking, if you had 2000 adults paying £14 each and deduct 20% VAT, then half it and that only gives you £11200. Then you have the other deductions. Yes you have bar takings, programme sales etc. Some wouldnt come if they could see it on telly but you also have no united at home and an extra day to sell the tickets with a Sunday match. The switch would have created media interest too.
Would the crowd really be over 2000 more on a saturday to make up the shortfall? Anyway, whats done is done..
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How about increasing the cost of the tickets for away fans sections? Premier and League clubs do this depending on who they play.
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I'm as gutted as the next person but you can't really blame Barnsley for making this decision.
Why would they want to have a possible loss to a non league club shown on TV?
Shoe on the other foot I'd be saying 'no thanks' too
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I'm not sure there was a need for such a statement unless GR is trying to keep the bbc sweet to be honest. Goes without saying we didn't turn money down and we hardly need to know if we weren't picked for something.
I'm much happier with Saturday 3pm, it was good for the Blyth game as it was a bonus for something not ripe for live TV.
We need to concentrate on getting on with ticket selling.
Luckily with the community hall being open all through weekdays we've got a highly visible avenue through which to sell extra tickets
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How about increasing the cost of the tickets for away fans sections? Premier and League clubs do this depending on who they play.
Only if the away club agrees. I doubt they will.
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Apparently FCUM have written to the FA objecting to the Monday night ko, so you never know...
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How about increasing the cost of the tickets for away fans sections? Premier and League clubs do this depending on who they play.
You can't charge away fans any more than home fans. Premier League teams grade their games and ticket prices change accordingly but the away fans never pay more than the home fans sat in similar seating.
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Gate receipts are split 50/50 once all expensive for the match have been covered,
Its only in play offs or finals its a 3 way split.
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Question... How come FCUM have been told that their game is on a Sunday?
Yet Barnsley decided they would only play Saturday and the FA accept that as ok
Definite tail wagging the dog scenario here
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Question... How come FCUM have been told that their game is on a Sunday?
Yet Barnsley decided they would only play Saturday and the FA accept that as ok
Definite tail wagging the dog scenario here
That's explained in the club statement - the FA has the right to oblige sides to accept fixture changes for live TV coverage but not for close-to-live highlights as per the Sunday games.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned before and I may be way off the mark here...............but is there any chance we could provide the BBC with footage via Alty TV and still get a fee for it ?
Would we need Barnsley's consent?
I know it will cause Alty TV's Mark a whole load of extra work to do on top of the excellent work he does already and I am not suggesting that it would be easy........but the club could get some cash and Alty TV could recoup some the personal investment money put into providing the filming and editing equipment..............or am I just talking bo77ocks
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Cheers Leon.... One hard and fast rule stating either you play as told by the FA or the clubs can decide. Less ambiguity..
However. Once again TV calling the shots
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According to Sam Elliott (NLP journo) on twitter, we've been selected to be broadcast live overseas...
FA Cup update.Wealdstone & Alty both get £6,750 as games selected for TV (highlights & overseas) All clubs shifted to Sundays 2pm get £12.5k
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Only just seen this post sorry
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It's still 11 v 11 whenever it's played. Win it and let's get on telly in R2.
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If they want to turn £12.5k down that's their choice but if they want to force us to turn it down they should cough up so we are not out of pocket as a result of their decision, happy for them o offset our overseas money so that's £6k you owe us please
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I can see why they didn't want to play on a Sunday.
Not the biggest crime ever, but I'm not sure we should have issued this statement - looks a bit petulant.
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I think Grahame is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't here in all fairness. The club is sometimes accused of not being open enough with fans and I suspect that if this statement had not been issued there would have been people asking why we hadn't done more to try and persuade Barnsley to agree to the move. As it is, a statement has been put out clarifying what happened and some people are now saying it was unnecessary to provide this information. If he had put out a statement saying "Those idiots at Barnsley have cost us £12,500" then, yes, I could see the inappropriateness of it, but I think as fans we have a right to know that we've (once again) been done out of a considerable lump of tv money through no fault of our own.
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I think Grahame is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't here in all fairness. The club is sometimes accused of not being open enough with fans and I suspect that if this statement had not been issued there would have been people asking why we hadn't done more to try and persuade Barnsley to agree to the move. As it is, a statement has been put out clarifying what happened and some people are now saying it was unnecessary to provide this information. If he had put out a statement saying "Those idiots at Barnsley have cost us £12,500" then, yes, I could see the inappropriateness of it, but I think as fans we have a right to know that we've (once again) been done out of a considerable lump of tv money through no fault of our own.
Totally agree with that.
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I think Grahame is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't here in all fairness. The club is sometimes accused of not being open enough with fans and I suspect that if this statement had not been issued there would have been people asking why we hadn't done more to try and persuade Barnsley to agree to the move. As it is, a statement has been put out clarifying what happened and some people are now saying it was unnecessary to provide this information. If he had put out a statement saying "Those idiots at Barnsley have cost us £12,500" then, yes, I could see the inappropriateness of it, but I think as fans we have a right to know that we've (once again) been done out of a considerable lump of tv money through no fault of our own.
Fair point.