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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: dino on September 14, 2010, 10:53:54 PM
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i see no reason why kenny will not be a success as caretaker manager. His previous team played good football, and his approach will be very different from Heathcotes.
It was no coincidence that our improvement revolved around Barow and Mckenna's arrival. Prior to that he struggled with Steele.
Ken is a good coach and motivator. I think we will beat Eastbourne on Saturday.The squad is good enough,and Ken can prove that.
We have lost core support over the last 2 seasons.but they will be back now Heathcote has gone.
good luck Ken
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[quote author=dino link=topic=10941.msg119380#msg119380 date=1284501234
I think we will beat Eastbourne on Saturday.The squad is good enough,and Ken can prove that.
We have lost core support over the last 2 seasons.but they will be back now Heathcote has gone.
good luck Ken
totally disagree and u will be proved wrong dino, this squad has 1 point to its name all season, all I will say is ............I told u so, I'm that confident gh leaving will have no positive effect on these players and its going to be tough for km
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[quote author=dino link=topic=10941.msg119380#msg119380 date=1284501234
I think we will beat Eastbourne on Saturday.The squad is good enough,and Ken can prove that.
We have lost core support over the last 2 seasons.but they will be back now Heathcote has gone.
good luck Ken
totally disagree and u will be proved wrong dino, this squad has 1 point to its name all season, all I will say is ............I told u so, I'm that confident gh leaving will have no positive effect on these players and its going to be tough for km
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ken has a chance to prove himself so time will tell i hope dinos right on this one
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Good Luck Ken, this is a golden opportunity for you if you want it?
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So what will km do differently now gh isn't here? Id love us to look like a completely new team but just can't see it, surely its obvious
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So what will km do differently now gh isn't here? Id love us to look like a completely new team but just can't see it, surely its obvious
Ww dont have to look like a new team. We have to look like a team with some belief.
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So what will km do differently now gh isn't here? Id love us to look like a completely new team but just can't see it, surely its obvious
we will find out on saturday and next tues
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So what will km do differently now gh isn't here? Id love us to look like a completely new team but just can't see it, surely its obvious
not play 3 at the back?
Also everyone has not got to prove themselves to KM, starting at eastbourne, otherwise they will be shown the door.
In the slightly longer term, he was chief scout at cambridge for a while and with his connection with TNS, i imagine he has a lengthy list of players he would like to bring in, people that may have been overlooked by Heathcote.
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watch this space!
cant see Ken fluffing his lines with this opportunity.
He will cajole, encourage and praise. Now there's a different approach
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Surely the players will play with the same desire and belief that they have already been playing with for ken and gh all season?
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Surely the players will play with the same desire and belief that they have already been playing with for ken and gh all season?
he was not a joint manager and is far as we know didnt pick the team although may have had a say in that and the tactics used
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Surely the players will play with the same desire and belief that they have already been playing with for ken and gh all season?
When someone keeps telling you "you're not good enough" after a while you start to believe it, bury your head and hope for the best.
Perhaps a bit of positivity and encouragement from the bench, rather than constant swearing and belittling player will make them work harder and want it more.
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Surely the players will play with the same desire and belief that they have already been playing with for ken and gh all season?
You've watched enough football to know that assistant managers can only do so much. When he is the manager he calls the shots.
The squad may not be good enough but making them believe weren't good enough and telling the world they weren't good enough was terrible.
Maybe we will only have Ken McKenna for two games..who knows.
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My worry if we do get a new manager is that give them 10 games they will start whinging that the board wont give them any more money and how do you expect us to compete at this level etc etc ....at least is Ken is well aware of our finanical limitations and his extensive knowledge of non league football will hold us in good stead in the short term possibly long term . I dont think there is any rocket science about what Alty stand for and what they can provide in resources towards the playing squad....there are plenty of managers who have sucess throwing around sugar daddies $$$ but i dont know of many that can work to a tight budget which would be in the lowest in the league...
We seem very quick to dismiss a good resource in our midst before he has managed to have a few games in charge....has anyone suggested any names as a potential new manager that would stack up against Kens record ? Be interested to see who is available as a potential target...or do we just jump in with an unknown ?
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Lets see what happens under ken....I think we'd all just love it if he was a success......
I think the board should advertise the job and look to appoint in around 6 matches time...obviously ken can apply if he wants the job permanently........that gives them time to make a considered opinion based on the quality of applicants while ken gets a chance to show what he is capable of.
just my opinon of course.
Come on Kenny!
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I can't believe that I find myself in agreement with Dino (mostly) on this. Shows you what strange times we're living through. I too am pretty optimistic that Kenny will do well ( and I certainly have no problem with him being a former playing legend - a previous time we went outside the beltway in search of a manager we got Gerry Quinn who did o.k. I suppose but not much more than that). Kenny did great in Wales and knows non-league inside and out. He seems to combine a buoyant personality with passion which can be a fine combination. And I recall that a certain manager from an earlier epoch who had the same qualities and had also served his managerial apprenticeship in Wales did just fine (Freddie Pye).
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Id love km to do well too but I'm afraid its just like a 5 aside team with a new kit, it may seem fresh but its the same underneath, maybe we could do well in the fa cup for a change though:)
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All the GH detractors have a chance to be positive now he is gone. All the people who backed GH also need to be positive about the coming weeks.
Arguing about whether we will improve or not is pointless. Lets be honest we have no clue! We didnt lose that many players in the close season, and weve gained a fair few who may now feel a bit of freedom to step up.
Just stay positive and believe that the change is for the good. The time to judge is in a few weeks.
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just put £15 on the win @ 3/1
i wreckon 2 wins against eastbourne and barrow will have you all salvinating
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On the basis that, in the wake of Heathcote's departure, the role of Altrincham FC manager will indeed remain a full-time position, do we know if Ken McKenna is able to accommodate the extra hours at Moss Lane i.e. does he have a full-time job outside football?
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Ken has a job outside football,but one flexible enough to undertake all thats required to manage a part time squad.
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All the GH detractors have a chance to be positive now he is gone. All the people who backed GH also need to be positive about the coming weeks.
Arguing about whether we will improve or not is pointless. Lets be honest we have no clue! We didnt lose that many players in the close season, and weve gained a fair few who may now feel a bit of freedom to step up.
Just stay positive and believe that the change is for the good. The time to judge is in a few weeks.
Ken has my support.
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just put £15 on the win @ 3/1
i wreckon 2 wins against eastbourne and barrow will have you all salvinating
Not at all sure what this means, but I'm sure it should probably be done within the confines of your own home. Salvination for the nation.
We're on the march with Kenny's army.....zigga zagga, zigga zagga
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I have my doubts, as previous posts bear out, but I'd love Kenny to be a success, and will back him and the team every inch of the way.
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Update from the main site:
The Manchester Evening News today reports on the departure of manager Graham Heathcote from Altrincham FC and the temporary appointment of Ken McKenna (right). New chairman Grahame Rowley reportedly "Admits the former TNS boss is in the frame to take the job on a permanent basis, with a Board meeting to discuss the manager's position planned for a week on Wednesday. 'He's a candidate', said Rowley, 'He did well at TNS and we'd be foolish if we didn't consider him. But we don't want to make any knee-jerk decisions. We need some stability'".
Looks like Ken has first refusal sort of status, sounds like a plan to me.
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Ken McKenna does deserve a chance to show what he can do in the next couple of games, however I would bet a large some of money that he becomes our next manager simply because the board won't want an outsider coming in and unsettling the current set-up. There should be a thorough interview process and the job should be offered to the top candidate, if that is McKenna then fine. Part of the distaste many had for Heathcote transpired when he effectively appointed himself manager back in 2002.
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ken mckenna ... ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ken mckenna
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bite his ear off
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here's hoping Ken can turn things around and maybe even get the job on a full time basis, I am sure that it would be a popular appointment
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Ken is already here, knows the current playing staff and will have his own ideas. The players should also be keen to impress. Lets see what happens. Good luck to the man in any case and lets hope he can get a few points on the board PDQ.
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He will cajole, encourage and praise. Now there's a different approach
Just like your good self then Dino......
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He will cajole, encourage and praise. Now there's a different approach
Just like your good self then Dino......
Not often I do something as basic as just quote a whole reply and add a LOL or something.
But genuinely LOL there. :D
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No doubt Dino will be the first to let us know if things dont improve...
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good luck to the new manager ken mckenna or whoever and grame rowley thanks to cote and geoff goodwin without who's efforts we wouldn't have a club
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[quote author=dino link=topic=10941.msg119380#msg119380 date=1284501234
I think we will beat Eastbourne on Saturday.The squad is good enough,and Ken can prove that.
We have lost core support over the last 2 seasons.but they will be back now Heathcote has gone.
good luck Ken
totally disagree and u will be proved wrong dino, this squad has 1 point to its name all season, all I will say is ............I told u so, I'm that confident gh leaving will have no positive effect on these players and its going to be tough for km
[/quote]wheres dino when u need him ;)
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i cant quite believe the result. i really thought that there would be a much better performance than that, as i never lost confidence in the squad. But that result is quite dreadful.
We need to get the job advertised in the national press urgently,and review the candidates including Ken.
Dont forget there has been a sustantial payment made to the club for investment in the team, and that needs spending prudently. If Coburn is not going to be first choice , he needs releasing. He is the top wage earner, and we simply cannot afford him on the bench.
The club needs to be transparent re share ownership. where are they, and whos got them?. They should be offered out.
Without any fresh interest regarding directors, we need to run the club as a supporters trust. We simply cannot rely on the encumbents to run the club.The trust would allow members a stake and provide fresh financial impetus aka Chester City.
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i cant quite believe the result. i really thought that there would be a much better performance than that, as i never lost confidence in the squad. But that result is quite dreadful.
We need to get the job advertised in the national press urgently,and review the candidates including Ken.
Dont forget there has been a sustantial payment made to the club for investment in the team, and that needs spending prudently. If Coburn is not going to be first choice , he needs releasing. He is the top wage earner, and we simply cannot afford him on the bench.
The club needs to be transparent re share ownership. where are they, and whos got them?. They should be offered out.
Without any fresh interest regarding directors, we need to run the club as a supporters trust. We simply cannot rely on the encumbents to run the club.The trust would allow members a stake and provide fresh financial impetus aka Chester City.
Feel sure that our board have an agenda to consolidate at a more affordable level ie BSN.
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i cant quite believe the result. i really thought that there would be a much better performance than that, as i never lost confidence in the squad. But that result is quite dreadful.
We need to get the job advertised in the national press urgently,and review the candidates including Ken.
Dont forget there has been a sustantial payment made to the club for investment in the team, and that needs spending prudently. If Coburn is not going to be first choice , he needs releasing. He is the top wage earner, and we simply cannot afford him on the bench.
The club needs to be transparent re share ownership. where are they, and whos got them?. They should be offered out.
Without any fresh interest regarding directors, we need to run the club as a supporters trust. We simply cannot rely on the encumbents to run the club.The trust would allow members a stake and provide fresh financial impetus aka Chester City.
how much is substantail roughly speaking ?
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i cant quite believe the result. i really thought that there would be a much better performance than that, as i never lost confidence in the squad. But that result is quite dreadful.
We need to get the job advertised in the national press urgently,and review the candidates including Ken.
Dont forget there has been a sustantial payment made to the club for investment in the team, and that needs spending prudently. If Coburn is not going to be first choice , he needs releasing. He is the top wage earner, and we simply cannot afford him on the bench.
The club needs to be transparent re share ownership. where are they, and whos got them?. They should be offered out.
Without any fresh interest regarding directors, we need to run the club as a supporters trust. We simply cannot rely on the encumbents to run the club.The trust would allow members a stake and provide fresh financial impetus aka Chester City.
If Cobe's is on the wage that someone told me last week ((£400), that is excessive for someone who is, to all intents and purposes, the reserve keeper, and he should be released.
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i cant quite believe the result. i really thought that there would be a much better performance than that, as i never lost confidence in the squad. But that result is quite dreadful.
We need to get the job advertised in the national press urgently,and review the candidates including Ken.
Dont forget there has been a sustantial payment made to the club for investment in the team, and that needs spending prudently. If Coburn is not going to be first choice , he needs releasing. He is the top wage earner, and we simply cannot afford him on the bench.
The club needs to be transparent re share ownership. where are they, and whos got them?. They should be offered out.
Without any fresh interest regarding directors, we need to run the club as a supporters trust. We simply cannot rely on the encumbents to run the club.The trust would allow members a stake and provide fresh financial impetus aka Chester City.
Feel sure that our board have an agenda to consolidate at a more affordable level ie BSN.
Agenda ? Not a chance........the Chairman is as keen to stay in this division as the rest of us.
As for running as a supporters trust, then I would fully agree with you if we could get 2500 of us attending home games, buying a pint, programme etc every home game. As it stands we can muster about 800 supporters at home games and the majority of those don't spend a penny inside the ground. A supporters trust would just about run a Unibond side.
As for shares the problem would be the same. Let's assume for example that Mr Goodwin has 100,000 number £1 shares and these were offered for sale to you, me and the other supporters. How many do you think he would be able to sell ?
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The structure of the club needs sorting before we can move forward. Whose hands are the shares in? where are they?
With no external backers visible, the only realistic chance of raising cash for investment, is to get all the shares in house and set up a supporters trust similair to the model created at telford and chester. there is no point in having shares with people no longer involved with the club.
In future , potential sponsors will require more transparency in what is happening at the club,which will only be forthcoming via a supporters trust model.
Dont forget we recentlyreceived a substantial donation. Is that for improving the squad?
What sort of compensation has Heathcote received for loss of office?
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i cant quite believe the result. i really thought that there would be a much better performance than that, as i never lost confidence in the squad. But that result is quite dreadful.
We need to get the job advertised in the national press urgently,and review the candidates including Ken.
Dont forget there has been a sustantial payment made to the club for investment in the team, and that needs spending prudently. If Coburn is not going to be first choice , he needs releasing. He is the top wage earner, and we simply cannot afford him on the bench.
The club needs to be transparent re share ownership. where are they, and whos got them?. They should be offered out.
Without any fresh interest regarding directors, we need to run the club as a supporters trust. We simply cannot rely on the encumbents to run the club.The trust would allow members a stake and provide fresh financial impetus aka Chester City.
If Cobe's is on the wage that someone told me last week ((£400), that is excessive for someone who is, to all intents and purposes, the reserve keeper, and he should be released.
You want to release a player with 500 games for the club and has played without a contract for seven years?
Who says he is the reserve keeper? Coates gives me no confidence at all...he is far to unorthodox.
I've no idea what kind of money he is on but he has earned every penny.
We need him back in on Tuesday to organise stuff and show players what it means to play for Alty.
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We have had a supporters trust.
It was fraught with bureacracy and had to have a meeting if it wanted to purchase a biro.
We now have a perfectly good supporters association.
With the limited amount of people who give their time to help, a Supporters trust is out of the question unless you have a committee of 6 - 10 people waiting in the wings.
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The ideal Committee should consist of three people, two of whom are unable to attend meetings.....................
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I for one would like to see Ken get the job. Having seen his Llansantfraid/TNS/New Saints team on many occasions when Alty were away, they played good football with a ruthless edge. Yes its the Welsh Premier but he didn't spend a fortune on players although funds were avaliable and won seven league titles in ten years.
The man has a passion for the game and a good understanding of non-league. Give him the job and time and without doubt we will improve.
Yours the Ken McKenna fan club ;D