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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: oneedham on April 27, 2023, 09:55:55 PM
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I was going to wait until the end of the season but tonight was shocking.
For me, this is PP and Neil's biggest summer.
To progress, we need to be ruthless and free up wages to sign quality. Far too much dead wood.
Need some bloody wingers, as priority.
Starters
GK
RB
LB E.Jones
CB Baines
CB J.Jones
CM Marriott
CM Lundstram
LW
RW
No.10 Kossy ( if he can get back to the standards)
No.9 Linney
Squad
Perritt
Hulme
Goodson
Barrows ( would give him another chance)
Byrne
Release
Kaja
Osbourne
Jackson
Bailey
Brockbank
Pringle ( Coaching role )
Gould
Cooper
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Quality goalkeeper is a must.
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Yeah, think priority positions are :-
GK
At least two quality wide players, who are not loans ( Sinclair? )
RB who can get forward and defend
CB cover ( Ferguson? )
No.10 to help Kossy with his return ( would be good to see either CCC or Oyedele back on loan )
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Could also do with a no nonsense centre half
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Could also do with a no nonsense centre half
He was on the bench
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With our defensive record this season, we surely need to replace at least one of Jones and Baines. We need somebody with a bit of character and leadership.
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I was going to wait until the end of the season but tonight was shocking.
For me, this is PP and Neil's biggest summer.
To be progress we need to be ruthless and free up some wages to sign quality. Far too much dead wood.
Need some bloody wingers, as priority.
Starters
GK
RB
LB E.Jones
CB Baines
CB J.Jones
CM Marriott
CM Lundstram
LW
RW
No.10 Kossy ( if he can get back to the standards)
No.9 Linney
Squad
Perritt
Hulme
Goodson
Barrows ( would give him another chance)
Byrne
Release
Kaja
Osbourne
Jackson
Bailey
Brockbank
Pringle ( Coaching role )
Gould
Cooper
Let's stop overreacting a touch; last summer was our biggest and we've got through it. Finishing the season in a damp squib (as we often do) doesn't change that.
I disagree with releasing Jake Cooper, and I think we need better than James Jones starting. Those two need to be the squad options and we need to sign someone stronger to partner with Lewis Baines.
Matty Kosylo also needs to be considered a squad option, so we need someone else good enough to start.
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With our defensive record this season, we surely need to replace at least one of Jones and Baines. We need somebody with a bit of character and leadership.
We have and always will play attacking football that leaves us exposed a lot! Having a weak keeper who doesn’t command his box, centre halves that have played around 60% of the season together due to injury/suspension and no cover for injuries… add to that the turbulent number of ins and outs and I’d say we have done bloody well! I disagree that many of the team haven’t shown character or leadership… Jones and Baines certainly have… Jordan especially has!
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I was going to wait until the end of the season but tonight was shocking.
For me, this is PP and Neil's biggest summer.
To be progress we need to be ruthless and free up some wages to sign quality. Far too much dead wood.
Need some bloody wingers, as priority.
Starters
GK
RB
LB E.Jones
CB Baines
CB J.Jones
CM Marriott
CM Lundstram
LW
RW
No.10 Kossy ( if he can get back to the standards)
No.9 Linney
Squad
Perritt
Hulme
Goodson
Barrows ( would give him another chance)
Byrne
Release
Kaja
Osbourne
Jackson
Bailey
Brockbank
Pringle ( Coaching role )
Gould
Cooper
Let's stop being hysterical; last summer was our biggest and we've got through it. Finishing the season in a damp squib (as we often do) doesn't change that.
I disagree with releasing Cooper, and I think we need better than James Jones starting. Those two need to be the squad options and we need to sign someone stronger to partner with Lewis Baines.
If we signed someone like Ferguson, for example, we would have to release Cooper to free wages up.
Our current squad, without any loan players would be relegated.
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There absolutely has to be some reflection on the way we are set up and coached defensively. A couple of months ago Parky mentioned that we don't practise set pieces, rather the 'information is given to the players' (or words to that effect). As, admittedly, an amateur on this topic that stuck me as a nonsense, and despite protestations, it's clear we cannot defend set pieces. Individually we've got a group of defenders who have all, at one time or another, played well for us. I just cannot see how the absolutely horrendous defensive record this season is anything other than a reflection on decisions made when it comes to how we are coached and set up. I'm obviously totally happy to be told otherwise, but 4 clean sheets in 45 league games cannot be due purely to errors and lapses in concentration.
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Quality goalkeeper is a must.
We're doing the next thing to playing without a keeper.
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Keep:
GK
D
Perritt
E Jones
Baines
M
Marriott
Lundstram
Kossy
S
Linney
Goodson
Hulme
Osborne and Pringle are high earners who need to be gone.
My solution to the defensive crisis? Goodbye and thank you James Jones and Kyle Ferguson. Myles-Welch is obtainable and I would pursue that transfer.
I was a big fan of Aaron Bennett before his injury but tonight he looked like he was treading water. I can see him at Bamber or Warrington in Conference North next season.
Zak and Regan always give me cause for optimism but watching us play the ball down the wing to non existent wingers tonight was really painful. We need wingers and I don't mean that bloke from Oldham masquerading as a winger.
Stripped bare of the brilliant loanees who have carried us this season, our real squad showed itself for what it is tonight - relegation fodder. We need a keeper, a proper centre back, a 10 and a couple of wingers. Either that or 15 loanees!
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We shouldn't have more than 6 loanees on the books at any given time since we can only utilise 5 in any game.
I didn't go last night, so can't comment on what seems to have been a poor showing.
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Far to reliant on loans. Without a doubt they kept us up, we need to turn quality loans like ccc and newby into permanent deals. The next big announcement has to be financial and designed to make those deals happen.
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Far to reliant on loans. Without a doubt they kept us up, we need to turn quality loans like ccc and newby into permanent deals. The next big announcement has to be financial and designed to make those deals happen.
That's if the money is available .surely 100k plus was received for Colclough and Mullkey
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Far to reliant on loans. Without a doubt they kept us up, we need to turn quality loans like ccc and newby into permanent deals. The next big announcement has to be financial and designed to make those deals happen.
That's if the money is available .surely 100k plus was received for Colclough and Mullkey
It’s going to take a fair bit more than 100k to get better players on a contract and sustain the wage bill
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Far to reliant on loans. Without a doubt they kept us up, we need to turn quality loans like ccc and newby into permanent deals. The next big announcement has to be financial and designed to make those deals happen.
That's if the money is available .surely 100k plus was received for Colclough and Mullkey
Not sure if we got 100k, we only receive 50k for Colclough.
Not sure about Malarkey.
10k went on Linney.
Dinanga for Linney i imagine was net £0.
I reckon we cleared 75k between those other two. 600k in seeders. I'd be disappointed as an invetsor to ask where my cash has gone
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£100k is chicken feed in this league. You need millions to compete at the very top.
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£100k is chicken feed in this league. You need millions to compete at the very top.
It bought out best 2 players (At the time)....
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Ive been underwhelmed with Kyle Ferguson. He adds strength and height which in a lot of games is great, but his distribution is poor and that in a Parky team is a problem. I think we look best with a James Jones / Lewis Baines partnership.
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I thought James Jones' distribution was appalling last night. I really think that it's time to lose both him and Ferguson.
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Ive been underwhelmed with Kyle Ferguson. He adds strength and height which in a lot of games is great, but his distribution is poor and that in a Parky team is a problem. I think we look best with a James Jones / Lewis Baines partnership.
He's a much better wrestler than a footballer.
PS. Not meant sarcastically or humorously!
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I'll get around to posting something more considered after tomorrow's game but as far as I'm concerned every position in the XI is now up for grabs and fair game. None of them have done enough to go into next season being assured of their position in the starting line-up, perhaps with the exception of Josh Lundstram. To start 2023/24 under the impression that our 'core' is strong enough would be a gamble, unfortunately, the 'goals against' speaks for itself.
We need some stiff competition to come in on a permanent basis to shake things up and inject some life into a squad that looks physically tired and mentally done.
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I'll get around to posting something more considered after tomorrow's game but as far as I'm concerned every position in the XI is now up for grabs and fair game. None of them have done enough to go into next season being assured of their position in the starting line-up, perhaps with the exception of Josh Lundstram. To start 2023/24 under the impression that our 'core' is strong enough would be a gamble, unfortunately, the 'goals against' speaks for itself.
We need some stiff competition to come in on a permanent basis to shake things up and inject some life into a squad that looks physically tired and mentally done.
I actually would agree, but add Marriot; he's had some underwhelming moments in the last few weeks, but his return sparked our upheal and alongside Maxi was good enough for a PO team.
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I'll get around to posting something more considered after tomorrow's game but as far as I'm concerned every position in the XI is now up for grabs and fair game. None of them have done enough to go into next season being assured of their position in the starting line-up, perhaps with the exception of Josh Lundstram. To start 2023/24 under the impression that our 'core' is strong enough would be a gamble, unfortunately, the 'goals against' speaks for itself.
We need some stiff competition to come in on a permanent basis to shake things up and inject some life into a squad that looks physically tired and mentally done.
I actually would agree, but add Marriot; he's had some underwhelming moments in the last few weeks, but his return sparked our upheal and alongside Maxi was good enough for a PO team.
It's a weird one because Marriott and Lundstram are obviously both good players (Lundstram excellent) and bring huge qualities to the team, but the fact of the matter is we've been horrific defensively and you've got to be asking questions of your midfield two as part of that diagnosis. It's not all on the back four and keeper.
I don't think they're the problem, to be clear, but ruthlessly I'd say that they're all fair game to be challenged with squad competition in the summer if the right players become available.
Much the same as when we were promoted from the Northern Premier League and added Williams over Harrop and Richman, and then Smith over Williams - we've got to keep progressing and asking questions, even of the players we feel are our better ones. Particularly as competition breeds form (look at Hulme post-Linney) and we can't afford complacency with our core players knowing they're a guaranteed start every week.
To be fair, we shouldn't be talking about Lundstram as if he's a certainty to be here in the summer... We'll do well to keep him.
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I get the point around midfield having to take their share of accountability, but - as we see across all levels of football including the Premier League - an unstable goalkeeper and above-average rotation across the backline only ever leads to an adverse outcome.
Sometimes the answer isn't wholesale change, but just finding that one 'tweak' that settles everything down. The obvious one for most of us would be a mature, commanding goalkeeper - one that's closer to 30 than 20 - that can instil confidence in everyone in front of him.
We definitely need to move for central midfielders if the right ones become available - particularly if it means we have better bench options than Osborne and Pringle. We brought in Toby as backup all that time ago, he waited for his chances, and well and truly took them when they were finally presented to him. It's a long season anyway, and everyone is going to be involved.
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I get the point around midfield having to take their share of accountability, but - as we see across all levels of football including the Premier League - an unstable goalkeeper and above-average rotation across the backline only ever leads to an adverse outcome.
Sometimes the answer isn't wholesale change, but just finding that one 'tweak' that settles everything down. The obvious one for most of us would be a mature, commanding goalkeeper - one that's closer to 30 than 20 - that can instil confidence in everyone in front of him.
We definitely need to move for central midfielders if the right ones become available - particularly if it means we have better bench options than Osborne and Pringle. We brought in Toby as backup all that time ago, he waited for his chances, and well and truly took them when they were finally presented to him. It's a long season anyway, and everyone is going to be involved.
How many goals are scored from set-pieces? or unable to clear our lines. I don't remember maybe sides carving us open, but wide balls, swinging in, I came name 15 whilst writing this.
I would say that our lack of width doesn't protect our fullback.
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I don't expect that many folk will agree with this, however...
I think that going full-time was a mistake that could cost us dearly (in more ways than one). We were sold the full-time ideal as the only way that we could continue to foster thoughts of making it to the cherished land of league football and I, for one, succumbed to the arguments in favour of this. If I had known that we were destined to have a bottom 4 National League budget with no significant inward investment (apart from the Seedrs equity provided by the Club's supporters) I would have not been so happy. Why couldn't we of remained a hybrid club that welcomed the best part-time players and a few carefully chosen full-timers (i.e. Colclough) supported by loanees the likes of Maxi. We lost the Mag7 because of the move to full time and, you know, I am certain that had we retained those players and had the same luck of the draw, as we did, in the FA Trophy I have no doubts that we would have made it to Wembley and more than likely won the competition.
We do need to move on. I agree, but, I think that before we embark upon a financially risky venture to gain Football League status we should bear in mind that our crumbling 'Stadium' is becoming an embarrassment. Are we going to do anything about in preparation to joining EFL2 or are we just going to see how we get on and patch it up from time to time? Not good enough methinks!
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I think we were absolutely correct to go full time, simply because part time is not a sustainable long term structure at this level. Remember we had the whole debt free, money in the bank, part time and proud of it mentality and we ended up at our lowest ebb following two relegations. Bear in mind you've got National League North becoming more and more full time too.
I think this season has been a massive reality check, but equally I'd love to know who actually thought going full time would suddenly propel us into L2. Lots of lessons to learn in what is a long term project.
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As long as we stay in this league, it's fine by me.
As you say part time in this league is a recipe for relegation.
We've had a real wake up call but we're still here. I think we all got a bit carried away and promotion is probably quite a few years away. I can live with that. I've waited almost sixty years (and we came close when Rochdale pipped us) so I'm happy if we can stabilise and steadily improve our chances year on year from now on.
I just can't cope with another relegation.
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I don't expect that many folk will agree with this, however...
I think that going full-time was a mistake that could cost us dearly (in more ways than one). We were sold the full-time ideal as the only way that we could continue to foster thoughts of making it to the cherished land of league football and I, for one, succumbed to the arguments in favour of this. If I had known that we were destined to have a bottom 4 National League budget with no significant inward investment (apart from the Seedrs equity provided by the Club's supporters) I would have not been so happy. Why couldn't we of remained a hybrid club that welcomed the best part-time players and a few carefully chosen full-timers (i.e. Colclough) supported by loanees the likes of Maxi. We lost the Mag7 because of the move to full time and, you know, I am certain that had we retained those players and had the same luck of the draw, as we did, in the FA Trophy I have no doubts that we would have made it to Wembley and more than likely won the competition.
We do need to move on. I agree, but, I think that before we embark upon a financially risky venture to gain Football League status we should bear in mind that our crumbling 'Stadium' is becoming an embarrassment. Are we going to do anything about in preparation to joining EFL2 or are we just going to see how we get on and patch it up from time to time? Not good enough methinks!
I agree. Unless we can increase the playing budget we could find ourselves not being able to attract enough quality for a playoff challenge.
Being part-time, allowed us to attract the best part time players. Some, who were planning their career after football, but still decent.
Now we pay full time in the bottom 4 budgets. Top players in the prime will not be coming to us. This is why I think we have a very young squad, which I am not against.
Need to keep finding gems like Marriott and Linney. I think we need to be finding another decent head scout, I think Clegg was a loss.
I enjoy listening to Rob Esteva in interviews, but he was really excited about Gysai and Burgess as loans and both were awful.
Need a scout who can attend more games and not just go off match stats.
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The whole Gyasi thing was and remains to this day a complete mystery.
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As long as we stay in this league, it's fine by me.
As you say part time in this league is a recipe for relegation.
We've had a real wake up call but we're still here. I think we all got a bit carried away and promotion is probably quite a few years away. I can live with that. I've waited almost sixty years (and we came close when Rochdale pipped us) so I'm happy if we can stabilise and steadily improve our chances year on year from now on.
I just can't cope with another relegation.
Too right. They should have kept the third division North for longer - quite telling that they kept voting out Northern clubs after 1958 and electing Southern/Midland clubs (admittedtly they elected Wigan (eventually) but realistically they should have got in years before). There should have been three down from div. 3n (and 3 more from 3s) with the winners of the leading leagues outside the league promoted automatically - which in 1966 would have been Altrincham! If the FL could be trusted to let in four teams, I might suggest that step one should be semi-national, though admittedly step 2 is much stronger now than when there were three leagues below the Conference . Of course this could be largely due to play-offs
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No idea of any palyers contract status so I assuming it's a clean sheet.
Sign E. Jones, J. Jones, Baines, Perritt, Cooper, Welsh-Hayes, Marriott, Lundstram, Kosylo, Hulme, Linney, Goodson. Plus all the youngsters out on loan.
Unsure on Byrne.
Bin off Osbourne, Pringle, Gould, Jackson, Barrows, Kaja, Ferguson
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No idea of any palyers contract status so I assuming it's a clean sheet.
Sign E. Jones, J. Jones, Baines, Perritt, Cooper, Welsh-Hayes, Marriott, Lundstram, Kosylo, Hulme, Linney, Goodson. Plus all the youngsters out on loan.
Unsure on Byrne.
Bin off Osbourne, Pringle, Gould, Jackson, Barrows, Kaja, Ferguson
Agree with that in general. Would keep Byrne as back up to (and to learn from) an experienced keeper who can marshal the defence and give it some confidence.
PS. This clearly means we absolutely need at least four or five top signings. A very big ask, but pretty essential.
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No idea of any palyers contract status so I assuming it's a clean sheet.
Sign E. Jones, J. Jones, Baines, Perritt, Cooper, Welsh-Hayes, Marriott, Lundstram, Kosylo, Hulme, Linney, Goodson. Plus all the youngsters out on loan.
Unsure on Byrne.
Bin off Osbourne, Pringle, Gould, Jackson, Barrows, Kaja, Ferguson
Agreed although I think Cooper may go and I think Osbourne and Byrne will stay . Isn't Marriott is contracted for next season ?but no idea on the others. I imagine we will sign at least six or seven as well as those expected to stay.
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Fair assessment, with the addition of Byrne - there will be plenty coming along to say 'bin them all apart from Lundstram and start again' etc etc - but I'm going to try to ignore those people and be less reactionary.
I think Jordan in particular has proven in the past few weeks that he still has an important role to play - on and off the pitch - I was sceptical but I'm pleased he's proven my doubts wrong. I'd definitely retain him.
As for Osborne, I reckon the management will retain him but I'm confident we would be better served freeing up the wage given there will be plenty of decent central midfield options on the market this summer.
Shame about Ferguson but if we retain Jones / Cooper (which I think we should), we should definitely try and sign another solid centre back for the right hand berth.
The rest I would be truly shocked to see here next year.
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Not sure Jordan is a player to keep if we are to progress...yes cannot fault comittment to Alty or passion or effort....but is it five goals ?....Injuries and being played out of position notr helped... but we got to have better in this dog eat dog league
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While there can be no question about Jordan's effort and dedication to the cause, we cannot forget that he is a very high earner at the club and his goal return has not been impressive. I expect him to stay but can't help but think that it might be time for a change.