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[AltyTunnelSteward]

I know that this is me going on about Refereeing again and I'm sorry but I need to get this off my chest.

Yet again the FA have shown absolutely no support whatsoever for their Match Officials.

With only one look from one angle and at full speed Mike Riley decides that a challenge by Frank Lampard is in his opinion likely to endanger the safety of an opponent.

The FA, with assistance from the font of knowledge on all matters of the Laws of Association Football  AKA Andy Gray, and with the benefit of umpteen camera angles, slow motion etc. have overturned it.

How the hell do they expect to attract and retain officials when they get absolutely no support.

 

[blackpoolalty]

It was a wrong decision in my opinion, BUT shouldn't have been overturned unless Riley said he got it wrong. Would the FA not have spoken to him and consulted his match report ? Maybe he did admit he got it wrong and thats why it was overturned.

[Paul Cain's Chip Pan]

Mike Riley is someone who has a proven track record for making lots of incorrect and match-altering decisions.

He'd never referee again if it was up to me.

[AltyTunnelSteward]

Sorry people I was trying to comment more on the principle of lack of support for officials just using the Frank Lampard incident as an example.

I could have just as easily used the John Terry sending off earlier in the season which was again overturned and that wasn't Mike Riley

[blackpoolalty]

He appealed, I'm sure the FA consulted Riley, he might have said 'Yeah I got it wrong'.. so without knowing that you can't really have the opinion that the FA show no support.

Incidently while we're on that game, anyone else notice the familar face running the line who decided not to report the incident to Riley...

Lampard's team-mate Jose Bosingwa will not face any action for stamping on the back of Yossi Benayoun in the same match.



Scolari bemused by Lampard red card
The Portuguese was not punished at the time and because the assistant referee admitted seeing it, the Football Association cannot review the incident.

Late in the game Bosingwa appeared to lunge one-footed into Benayoun's back but the incident went unpunished by Riley.

But because his post-match report revealed that assistant Mo Matadar did see the event, under Fifa law, the FA cannot now take disciplinary action.

[casper]

The first time i saw the tackle i thought is wasnt a red card. Maybe a free kick for chelsea. Lampard clearly played the ball and then was fouled by Alonso (who was coming in high for a ball that had long gone).It was the wrong decision that clearly cost chelsea at least a point. How would you have reacted if this was at moss lane against one of our players? a 3 match ban for a "foul" that wasnt? Further punish a team for a mistake from an official?

I think the FA have made the right decision, or Mr Riley saw the error and reported it as so. Yes i think the FA need to protect their employees, how about some decent training so they dont make mistakes? Maybe taught specific subjects from a specialised team so consistency is achieved??..... Certainly the standard of refeering this season in the conference has been worse than previous seasons.

[Paul Cain's Chip Pan]

What I will say is that I think there should be a closer working relationship between football clubs and refs. At the moment there is a noticeable battle of wills with referees on one side and the clubs on the other, the result of which is the further alienation of both parties. Something needs to be done to try and build bridges a bit, something which the so-called "respect campaign" has spectacularly failed to do.

[TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe]

Sorry people I was trying to comment more on the principle of lack of support for officials just using the Frank Lampard incident as an example.

I could have just as easily used the John Terry sending off earlier in the season which was again overturned and that wasn't Mike Riley

But if the actual decision was clearly incorrect, why should the FA condone it?
Didn't Riley himself apparently contact Lampard and apologise for his error?

Forgive me, I'm not quite sure what your point is here.
Are you suggesting that the FA should never overturn a referee's decision in case it is deemed as a lack of support for officials in general?

Oh, and does anyone know if that nincompoop Ross Joyce is still out there attempting to referee matches?!

[wayno]

I know that this is me going on about Refereeing again and I'm sorry but I need to get this off my chest.

Yet again the FA have shown absolutely no support whatsoever for their Match Officials.

With only one look from one angle and at full speed Mike Riley decides that a challenge by Frank Lampard is in his opinion likely to endanger the safety of an opponent.

The FA, with assistance from the font of knowledge on all matters of the Laws of Association Football  AKA Andy Gray, and with the benefit of umpteen camera angles, slow motion etc. have overturned it.

How the hell do they expect to attract and retain officials when they get absolutely no support.

 

Untill video evidence is used in difficult decision making in football these errors will continue to happen on a regular basis.

When i watch match of the day some of the decisions made are just awful- but alot of it is not just down to the ref its that the game is either so fast moving or there view was obstructed etc.

I am not persoanlly sure on the video evidence bit; but it would make the game a lot fairer and just; if some what slower moving at times.

[Dougals Dad]

He appealed, I'm sure the FA consulted Riley, he might have said 'Yeah I got it wrong'.. so without knowing that you can't really have the opinion that the FA show no support.

Incidently while we're on that game, anyone else notice the familar face running the line who decided not to report the incident to Riley...

Lampard's team-mate Jose Bosingwa will not face any action for stamping on the back of Yossi Benayoun in the same match.



Scolari bemused by Lampard red card
The Portuguese was not punished at the time and because the assistant referee admitted seeing it, the Football Association cannot review the incident.

Late in the game Bosingwa appeared to lunge one-footed into Benayoun's back but the incident went unpunished by Riley.

But because his post-match report revealed that assistant Mo Matadar did see the event, under Fifa law, the FA cannot now take disciplinary action.

Alan Green has just used his "Incredulous" voice saying the same thing: How could he not say that's a foul.

Haven't we had problems with Matadar before?

[jiminlondon]

so how does swp get a charge for kicking delap even though the ref didnt see it http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7870813.stm
but Bosingwa can just kick yossi in the back and nothing happens?

on the main point, i dont see that there is a problem with retrospectively accepting you have made a mistake. everyone makes them and on a football field it often depends where you are looking from. it would be much more damaging to continue claiming it was a sending off when everyone has seen it and its clear that was wrong.
the idea that you can use videos is a daft joke - today at the cricket they referred a decision upstairs and it took several minutes for a ruling to be made despite the fact that there had to be clear evidence for overturning the on field decision.

[AltyTunnelSteward]

I don't propose to get into the discussion about whether or not the Lampard sending off, the Terry sending off, the Densmore sending off or any other is or was correct in law (of Association Football). A decision about which I would imagine about 99.99999999% of the readers of this forum are HUGELY relieved.

The SWP issue is exactly because the Referee didn't include it in his report. He is therefore considered not to have seen it and consequently not to have been able to take the requisite disciplinary action. In this sort of case the FA can deal with it as the opportunity for it to be dealt with has not been taken previously.

The match report on Liverpool v Chelsea includes the fact that Mr Matadar saw the Bosingwa "challenge" and it cannot therefore be dealt with retrospectively.

[Mallorca Alty]

That is the rule that needs to be overturned. I remember watching Chester v Rochdale the night before we drew 1-1 at Canvey Island. The Rochdale keeper did a kung fu kick on Greg Blundell. The keeper was only cautioned for that offence. But because the referee  had dealt with it. The keeper could not be punished further. This rule needs to be changed.

[Narcissist]

I know that this is me going on about Refereeing again and I'm sorry but I need to get this off my chest.

Yet again the FA have shown absolutely no support whatsoever for their Match Officials.

With only one look from one angle and at full speed Mike Riley decides that a challenge by Frank Lampard is in his opinion likely to endanger the safety of an opponent.

The FA, with assistance from the font of knowledge on all matters of the Laws of Association Football  AKA Andy Gray, and with the benefit of umpteen camera angles, slow motion etc. have overturned it.

How the hell do they expect to attract and retain officials when they get absolutely no support.

 

On the flipside ATS, the FA must support the players as well. When a decision is wrong against a player and it is obvious why should they then serve a ban.

'Sorry Frank you'll have to sit out the next 2 games because the ref's decision is final, and incorrect. We must stand by this incorrect decision because the ref didnt have the luxury of the replay!''

Aside from that I think Mr Riley's decision was incorrect. I can see how he could have got it wrong and had no choice but to show a red card. What i dont understand is why a ref cannot go on camera after a game and say when you look at the replay 17 times its clearly not a red. but seeing it the first time at real time speed it looks dangerous and hence the red. I will put that in my report.

They would get support from not just the FA, but football fans too. How many people saw the challenge the 1st time and thought 'that looked dangerous', I did. Fans dont want the ref sliced up in public, they want accountability.

I agree, Andy Gray is a cock, I hope he gets sacked or involved in a transvestite hooker scandal and shamed out of the public eye, either I dont mind. He acts as if every player/ref has his technology at the fingertips during the game and they should be able to sit back take their time and make a decision. Whilst he also knows that he has the luxury of his sidekicks to justify his ego, and average football acumen.

[seasonticket]

I don't propose to get into the discussion about whether or not the Lampard sending off, the Terry sending off, the Densmore sending off or any other is or was correct in law (of Association Football). A decision about which I would imagine about 99.99999999% of the readers of this forum are HUGELY relieved.

The SWP issue is exactly because the Referee didn't include it in his report. He is therefore considered not to have seen it and consequently not to have been able to take the requisite disciplinary action. In this sort of case the FA can deal with it as the opportunity for it to be dealt with has not been taken previously.

The match report on Liverpool v Chelsea includes the fact that Mr Matadar saw the Bosingwa "challenge" and it cannot therefore be dealt with retrospectively.

If the assistant saw the incident and did nothing, then he got it wrong. If a ref's decision (that he did see, red card) is deemed to be wrong the FA can, retrospectively, change it. Why can they not do the same with the assistants wrong decision reported or not? What is the difference?