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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: thegazelle on March 09, 2016, 04:40:07 PM
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if Mr Sinnout has gone . who does the panel think would make an improved replacement ?
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Don't know but it needs to be a proven manager in a situation like this (even if its short term). Neil Warnock has come in and won 3 on the bounce at Rotherham - a team with a similar budget to ours relative to the league they're in. Then we could look at it at the end of the season and make a suitable long term appointment depending on which league we find ourselves in.
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Shaun Reid might be a decent shout. He has taken Warrington Town this year to the top of the NLP North, good cup runs etc. and has good non-league knowledge and local football links. Left Warrington over a contract dispute with the team still top and attendances up massively. Untried as a manager at National League level of course but there are worse options we could go with.
Paul
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Shaun Reid might be a decent shout. He has taken Warrington Town this year to the top of the NLP North, good cup runs etc. and has good non-league knowledge and local football links. Left Warrington over a contract dispute with the team still top and attendances up massively. Untried as a manager at National League level of course but there are worse options we could go with.
Paul
I think he'd be spot on for next season - after all, he definitely deserves the shot - but we probably need a firefighter proven at this level (if such a thing currently exists)
Dean Saunders is available - or perhaps we could approach Hednesford for theirs ;)
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I did genuinely laugh out loud at that.
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On a serious note, as mentioned on another thread Neil Young sounds like an obvious shout for now. Deal until the end of the season if he's interested, extend him if he keeps us up.
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Young would it keep us up
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Ronnie Moore
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Doesn't say anywhere that we are inviting applications?
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This is not a time to get rid of a manager without having something in mind to move forward.
I'll probably get slated for this, and I genuinely dont know the answer, but what is Mr Heathcote up to? We could do a lot worse on a short term view to keep us up.
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We've got to start thinking beyond the same old routine surely. And what's more graham himself said he'd finished with management when he left Trafford. We need an inspirational nut case for ten games. There's plenty out of work that could be tempted with a contract to the end of the season and a staying up bonus.
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More speed dating
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This is not a time to get rid of a manager without having something in mind to move forward.
I'll probably get slated for this, and I genuinely dont know the answer, but what is Mr Heathcote up to? We could do a lot worse on a short term view to keep us up.
John king ?
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More speed dating
How long do you want it to take, it's March and we've ten games left
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Agree Pete so we should know how to do it as we've done it before
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Big Frank Sinclair has suddenly become un-busy. Go on - you know you want to !
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GH knows half the squad and knows the club. People can bang on about his severance package last time, his temper etc but we need to mix it up completely from Sinnott. He's a safer bet than anyone else to mix it up and likely to know a midfielflder who could come in and boss it a bit. We can go for something fresh and new in the summer when we've stayed up.
I can't believe for a minute he wouldn't be interested.
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I bet he wouldn't be interested, why would he want/need the hassle. You're living in a dream world if you think it would work, he will have lost touch with this level of football, time moves on and we have to move forward. I bet the Chairman's phone will be ringing off the hook tomorrow with people interested, his job is to choose the right man at the right price. Not an easy task.
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I bet he wouldn't be interested, why would he want/need the hassle. You're living in a dream world if you think it would work, he will have lost touch with this level of football, time moves on and we have to move forward. I bet the Chairman's phone will be ringing off the hook tomorrow with people interested, his job is to choose the right man at the right price. Not an easy task.
good post
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Colin Little. No explanation necessary.
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Colin Little. No explanation necessary.
Well there is. I'm sure there is a bit of difference between conference football and City's U8s.
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I love this, inspirational nutcase? 😀 jack Nicholson in one flew over the cuckoos nest....
We've got to start thinking beyond the same old routine surely. And what's more graham himself said he'd finished with management when he left Trafford. We need an inspirational nut case for ten games. There's plenty out of work that could be tempted with a contract to the end of the season and a staying up bonus.
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Colin Little. No explanation necessary.
Well there is. I'm sure there is a bit of difference between conference football and City's U8s.
So Colin has no experience of conference football?
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Neil tolson
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Neil tolson
Worse shout ever
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Neil tolson
Worse shout ever
Honest question - Why?
I'm not being obtuse I am genuinely interested in your reasoning
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Would prefer Neil Tolson to Neil Young or GH.Pressure on him straight away though to get a result on sat
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All them 3 would be bad choices
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Colin Little. No explanation necessary.
Well there is. I'm sure there is a bit of difference between conference football and City's U8s.
So Colin has no experience of conference football?
As a manager, no. He also has limited coaching experience, and pretty much none at men's level. I find it very odd that you even mention him.
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All them 3 would be bad choices
I will repeat the question - Why?
When Lee was appointed a number of people decried the appointment as he had "No Altrincham FC pedigree" Two of the candidates listed above have significant Altrincham pedigree (I later found out that what was actually meant was experience at the Club incidentally)
Again I am not being obtuse I genuinely am interested in folks thought processes on this
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Neil tolson
Worse shout ever
Honest question - Why?
I'm not being obtuse I am genuinely interested in your reasoning
His record at Hyde, Bowerman was his call.
We need someone with a fresh outlook and mimimal history of the squad
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Surprised Ken Mckenna hasnt bee mentioned , also local ex league manager Paul Dickov although he has no conference experience.
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Ken McKenna!
Ffs give up
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Why are people obsessed by the past,up to the board to work hard in finding a manager who hasn't failed hear before
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Ken McKenna!
Ffs give up
not for me but thought someone would have mentioned him
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Colin Little. No explanation necessary.
Well there is. I'm sure there is a bit of difference between conference football and City's U8s.
So Colin has no experience of conference football?
As a manager, no. He also has limited coaching experience, and pretty much none at men's level. I find it very odd that you even mention him.
The idea of an ex player managing a non-league club is clearly ridiculous, sorry to even mention it, I mean, when does that ever happen?
Personally I would rather have someone who loves the club and has experience here than an outsider.
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Where is chris senior these days ?
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All them 3 would be bad choices
I will repeat the question - Why?
When Lee was appointed a number of people decried the appointment as he had "No Altrincham FC pedigree" Two of the candidates listed above have significant Altrincham pedigree (I later found out that what was actually meant was experience at the Club incidentally)
Again I am not being obtuse I genuinely am interested in folks thought processes on this
nice guy, and I know your his friend
But is his management record really good enough for this level? I am open minded about it
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Why are people obsessed by the past,up to the board to work hard in finding a manager who hasn't failed hear before
Good post Jimmy
Lets get somebody who hasnt got a connection to the club.
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Where is chris senior these days ?
HAHAHA.
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Neil tolson
Worse shout ever
Honest question - Why?
I'm not being obtuse I am genuinely interested in your reasoning
As Lee Sinnott's assistant, surely he also bears some responsibility for the major predicament in which we now find ourselves?
Sorry but wouldn't be my choice under any circumstances.
To turn the question on its head, I'd be interested to see you make the case for his appointment.
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Dino Maamria or Jim Harvey oh........keeping someone else up ???
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Morrell, currently at tamworth
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All them 3 would be bad choices
Absolutley. Neil Young didn't have a job for two years after Chester were relegated. His stint at County was a bit of a disaster too. Tolson, like Cult says, is at least partly implicated in the current dire straits, while Graham Heathcoe's last 3 managerial gigs (Alty, Stafford & Trafford) have ended with relegation. For me, something different is needed. I've long thought that Jim Gannon was the type of manager who'd do well here, but that ship has sailed.
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Morrell is an interesting call Toff.
Phil, aside from the fact I'm not convinced by Tols managerial record (and giving him a crack of the whip to put that right is way, way down the list of priorities) I can't see what he would bring that would be an improvement on the Sinnott/Tolson partnership. I'd need a much clearer picture from behind the scenes as to why things have slipped to make that call.
I extend that to all assistant managers as well really.
Colin Little? Love the idea of him as manager in the future. Now? Ten games left and in this hole? Not a chance man.
And Graham Heathcote? Let's move on eh. As for he could find a midfielder who'd come in and boss things he barely managed that in five years managing in the conference. I'd be surprised if he had one up his sleeve now.
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Morrell, currently at tamworth
7th so not doing that well,however we probably won't have anyone doing well applying
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Shaun Reid, wants the job as well!
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Shaun Reid, wants the job as well!
He told you that?
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I want a t*** of a manager, locally based with plenty of contacts who can really get average players playing out of their skin. I believe he's available and we all hate him. Well, that'd be my choice and I'm sure he'll apply.
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Neil Tolson? Absolutely not. Like the guy but he has admitted on radio programmes that he isn't cut out to be a number 1. With ten games to go we need somebody who will get the fans and players united. Somebody who will get the buzz back to Moss Lane. Id bring back the Cote.
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Ronnie Moore for me as well. Has experience of getting teams out of situations like we're in. Please don't go anywhere near Neil Young. If you watched the Stockport forum over the last few months you wouldn't want him near our team. Signing numerous players and loanees and getting rid of them after a couple of games. Definitely not what we need at this stage of the season. The Canadian rocker would probably be a better bet!!
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Cannot understand the desire to bring back heathcote, the man is a legend but had his day, we need an up and coming manager who will do us well and then bugger off to a football league club
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One of the best things about Sinnott was that we ended the culture of internal appointments and ex players that had gone on for years on end. Please let's not go back to that. Let's keep moving forward and keep things fresh.
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One of the best things about Sinnott was that we ended the culture of internal appointments and ex players that had gone on for years on end. Please let's not go back to that. Let's keep moving forward and keep things fresh.
Exactly right Bob. Something we all applauded at the time. And something I hope continues.
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Give it George Heslop till the end of the season! ;D
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It won't be Heathcote.
I can pretty much guarantee that.
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Jose Mourinho
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All them 3 would be bad choices
I will repeat the question - Why?
When Lee was appointed a number of people decried the appointment as he had "No Altrincham FC pedigree" Two of the candidates listed above have significant Altrincham pedigree (I later found out that what was actually meant was experience at the Club incidentally)
Again I am not being obtuse I genuinely am interested in folks thought processes on this
nice guy, and I know your his friend
But is his management record really good enough for this level? I am open minded about it
Jamie,
Whether or not Neil is my "friend" is really an irrelevance I think at this time
He is, in terms of my "day job", for at least part of the time my boss
However, we are both adults and can separate work from leisure.
I have my views on his Management potential as his record is history and we have spent a long time trying to look forward rather than back at this club don't you agree?
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We had 25 applications both domestic and overseas within 48 of Ken mc confirming he wasn't returning. We shouldn't rule anyone in our out at this stage. The brief has got to be, you've ten/eleven games to get 15 points, it's really that simple at this stage. We haven't the time or games to "take a chance" or let someone "cut their teeth"
We were in a similar position when kingy was tempted back whilst assistant boss at bury. We need someone with drive, that's inspirational, motivational and has the contacts to bring in a couple or three players be it loan or unattached to keep us in the division
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All them 3 would be bad choices
I will repeat the question - Why?
When Lee was appointed a number of people decried the appointment as he had "No Altrincham FC pedigree" Two of the candidates listed above have significant Altrincham pedigree (I later found out that what was actually meant was experience at the Club incidentally)
Again I am not being obtuse I genuinely am interested in folks thought processes on this
nice guy, and I know your his friend
But is his management record really good enough for this level? I am open minded about it
Jamie,
Whether or not Neil is my "friend" is really an irrelevance I think at this time
He is, in terms of my "day job", for at least part of the time my boss
However, we are both adults and can separate work from leisure.
I have my views on his Management potential as his record is history and we have spent a long time trying to look forward rather than back at this club don't you agree?
yeah maybe you could be his number 2?
Incidentally my name isn't Jamie it's Phyu Thwe Win
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Colin Little. No explanation necessary.
Well there is. I'm sure there is a bit of difference between conference football and City's U8s.
So Colin has no experience of conference football?
As a manager, no. He also has limited coaching experience, and pretty much none at men's level. I find it very odd that you even mention him.
The idea of an ex player managing a non-league club is clearly ridiculous, sorry to even mention it, I mean, when does that ever happen?
Personally I would rather have someone who loves the club and has experience here than an outsider.
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If Little had never kicked a ball for us then the thought of him managing Alty would be pretty much inconceivable.
Just become somebody loves the club and was a playing hero doesn't make them any more suitable to be a manager. In fact, it can make it worse. Blind eyes are turned, sentiment gets in the way of logic. It just strikes me as inward looking, parochial and too cosy. Yes it can work at times but it fails more often than not.
For outsider read new
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I think anyone who suggest these people who eiether played or managed the club or indeed Tolson simply can't think of an alternative
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I think Tols or even one of the players will be given the job on a temporary basis, as it's just so close to the end of the season and God knows who is available.
For my part, I'd try and appoint someone who has the personality and contacts to keep us up, horrid as he might be...Frank Sinclair. I honestly believe that dreadful git could keep us up.
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If Lee was indeed sacked, then you have to hope that we already have someone lined up. If he walked, then finding a new man could take weeks and we may have to rely on Tolson.
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I certainly think the next manager should be a fresh face, however I can't see a suitable candidate being appointed be fire end of this season.
I would put Jake Moult in temporary charge (coach at stoke so will have badges) assisted by Densmore and Clee.
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If they have sacked him,and that's a big if they should know and have a suitable replacement
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If he has been sacked won't he be expecting a payout?
Where's the money coming from to bring someone in?
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The more I think about it, I do think Ronnie Moore would be a feasible shout
He's 63 now and not likely to get another gig in the league, got the (recent) track record in these situations, might fancy a go until the end of the season?
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we don't need somebody who can 'give it a go' I could do that myself....we need someone who can come in and get results from day 1!
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If he has been sacked won't he be expecting a payout?
Where's the money coming from to bring someone in?
Lee almost certainly resigned. He said on more than one occasion that he didn't want a contract, and I very much doubt he'll want any sort of severance payment.
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All them 3 would be bad choices
I will repeat the question - Why?
When Lee was appointed a number of people decried the appointment as he had "No Altrincham FC pedigree" Two of the candidates listed above have significant Altrincham pedigree (I later found out that what was actually meant was experience at the Club incidentally)
Again I am not being obtuse I genuinely am interested in folks thought processes on this
nice guy, and I know your his friend
But is his management record really good enough for this level? I am open minded about it
Jamie,
Whether or not Neil is my "friend" is really an irrelevance I think at this time
He is, in terms of my "day job", for at least part of the time my boss
However, we are both adults and can separate work from leisure.
I have my views on his Management potential as his record is history and we have spent a long time trying to look forward rather than back at this club don't you agree?
Earlier on this very thread, you asked people to expand upon their objections to any prospective appointment of Neil Tolson as Alty's manager.
Several contributors responded and outlined various valid reasons for disregarding Tolson.
Meanwhile, we are still awaiting you (or, indeed, anyone else on here) to propound a reasonable case for Tolson's succession.
Frankly, I'd be fascinated to see how you can divorce him from any degree of culpability for the current malaise which is afflicting the first team.
Time for new blood.
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If he has been sacked won't he be expecting a payout?
Where's the money coming from to bring someone in?
Lee almost certainly resigned. He said on more than one occasion that he didn't want a contract, and I very much doubt he'll want any sort of severance payment.
I thought this was the case too, therefore no payout, another thing to be thankful for
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Earlier on this very thread, you asked people to expand upon their objections to any prospective appointment of Neil Tolson as Alty's manager.
Several contributors responded and outlined various valid reasons for disregarding Tolson.
Meanwhile, we are still awaiting you (or, indeed, anyone else on here) to propound a reasonable case for Tolson's succession.
Frankly, I'd be fascinated to see how you can divorce him from any degree of culpability for the current malaise which is afflicting the first team.
Time for new blood.
Cult, I've aired this viewpoint in more general terms about assistants taking over from exiting managers, I'd never do it. Although clearly I have no problem with Tols holding the fort for the Barrow game.
What I'd say is that I can't see any massive differences between him and LS. In these situations, you can often see a cavalier young manager with an experienced assistant who steps up and steadies the ship, or vice versa sometimes.
In this situation I couldn't say how Tols can be exempt from blame - clearly LS wasn't.
Of course, it depends what drove the decision. There'll be factors we, rightly, won't know about. Maybe the players had stopped listening to LS, maybe some had fallen out with him, I couldn't say (and it doesn't appear to be anything that drastic to be fair)
My own opinion is that Lee Sinnott's tenure had run it's natural course, as these things often do. And most managers leave under a much darker cloud than this.
That said, bet I'm not generous if we do end up getting relegated!
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Another name into the pot.
Paul Mcguiness, Utd ex under 18's manager.
Think he is looking for a job.
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Another name into the pot.
Paul Mcguiness, Utd ex under 18's manager.
Think he is looking for a job.
I'd be so wary of going down this route, to be honest. Rochdale did the same thing appointing Steve Eyre from City's academy a few years ago. He was so out of his depth it was tragic.
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Yes I'd also think his view is we are bellow him
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It shouldn't be too long before Steve McClaren is available :D
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Its a tough one because any new manager has to also be able to run us in the conf north if the worst was to happen, I think therefore its likely to be one of the conf north managers
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Its a tough one because any new manager has to also be able to run us in the conf north if the worst was to happen, I think therefore its likely to be one of the conf north managers
cant see it being a current conf north manager .
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I disagree. I think there is every chance it'll be a Conference North manager. I think both the Chorley and Stalybridge managers will be clambering over each other for the Alty job.
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Our Martin suggests Darren Sheridan.....available and probably affordable.
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Darren Sheridan is a good call. What about Danny Boshell?
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Darren Sheridan is a good call. What about Danny Boshell?
we fell out with Danny Boshell 2 years ago
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watson or matt jansen , probably not garry flitcroft, on the other hand ?
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I'd hate Watson, his playing style is turgid.
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Tolson might pull something out the hat 20 points
Then views may change
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Stalybridge are at the wrong end of Conference North and Watson is under contract anyway. Sheridan is a good shout.
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Darren Sheridan is a good call. What about Danny Boshell?
we fell out with Danny Boshell 2 years ago
We didnt, but he wouldnt come and he's not the answer.
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Why wouldn't he come to us? He's number 2 at Guiseley. He's also the Cav-type player we need. Yes, Guiseley may be a little reluctant given the circumstances, but weren't we also reluctant when we let him leave to further his career? It'd be funny if nothing else.
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Tolson might pull something out the hat 20 points
Then views may change
your on some quality cloudy cider Daz
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Tolson might pull something out the hat 20 points
Then views may change
your on some quality cloudy cider Daz
I'm just in shock Lee went Jim but I've got to
Say if we win 6 games maybe tolson could do a job
And I'm on clear cider mate the cloudy stuff only at the games x
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Boshell has walked out on us once, no thanks. And Watson is a bloke that knows 15 hoof ball scousers that can get you out of the conference north, or they used to be able to 8 years ago
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Boshell has walked out on us once, no thanks. And Watson is a bloke that knows 15 hoof ball scousers that can get you out of the conference north, or they used to be able to 8 years ago
we will either have Tolson or get a manager out of work so it won't be Boshell anyway,and wouldn't want Watson Iv had a sore neck watching us this season
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I think we all agree that our League position is not precisely what we would want it to be.
Therefore might it not be an idea for us to put our personal differences aside, temporarily forget our prejudices about individuals and get 100% behind whoever is entrusted to try to lead the Club out of its current position.
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Apart from reversing the words "not" and "precisely", I fully agree Phil.
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I think we all agree that our League position is not precisely what we would want it to be.
Therefore might it not be an idea for us to put our personal differences aside, temporarily forget our prejudices about individuals and get 100% behind whoever is entrusted to try to lead the Club out of its current position.
You post that as if we won't do...
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I think we all agree that our League position is not precisely what we would want it to be.
Therefore might it not be an idea for us to put our personal differences aside, temporarily forget our prejudices about individuals and get 100% behind whoever is entrusted to try to lead the Club out of its current position.
It's only you thats blinkered Phil only wanting your friend to get the job without giving any creditable reasoning but challenging everyone elses viewpoint
You need to forget your prejudices Phil, or is it that your a shoo-in to be number 2 under Tolson?
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Im with Phil the steward on this even tho the poor sod hasn't out right said who he wants in charge
And people had ago at him for backing the current set up
We should stick with what we have got you never no 20 points is posible
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If you take the time to actually read the post you will see that I have said WHOEVER is in charge be that Neil Tolson, Neil Young or Guus Hiddink.
I know that most people will be 100% behind whoever is in charge however I do fear that some wont if it's certain people as this thread has sadly gone to prove.
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If you take the time to actually read the post you will see that I have said WHOEVER is in charge be that Neil Tolson, Neil Young or Guus Hiddink.
I know that most people will be 100% behind whoever is in charge however I do fear that some wont if it's certain people as this thread has sadly gone to prove.
I will be 100% behind whoever is appointed, and their number 2 - even if it's you!
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A small minority will want the next manager to fail after lees first month people wanted him sacked
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Not a case of wanting someone to fail,nobody wants that,the problem is pick the wrong replacement and you will know they will fail
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As long as it isn't Van Gaal or that other joke McLaren we will have half a chance of staying up.
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I think we all agree that our League position is not precisely what we would want it to be.
Therefore might it not be an idea for us to put our personal differences aside, temporarily forget our prejudices about individuals and get 100% behind whoever is entrusted to try to lead the Club out of its current position.
Well, I've tried my utmost to ignore this post but I'm afraid it's simply annoyed me far too much!
Earlier on this very thread, it was your good self who wanted to canvass opinion regarding some people's objections to the long-term appointment of a few nominated candidates to replace Lee Sinnott.
Several contributors duly responded with perfectly valid and reasonable perspectives on this issue.
Now we are advised that we have merely been expressing prejudices against certain individuals, presumably as none of these viewpoints happen to coincide with your own which, notwithstanding a couple of requests, you have still failed to enlighten us with (although I think that we could all hazard a fairly accurate guess on that topic).
To compound matters, you then produce the insulting implication that we would not offer our 100% support to Lee Sinnott's successor in the event of them not being our manager of choice.
The club is bigger than the individual, Phil.
All I really care about at the moment is for the Board to appoint someone who can ensure that next season's Alty fixture list doesn't contain matches against FCUM or even Salford City.
Frankly, I'm disappointed, Phil, and I believe that an apology is in order.
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I take it from the wording on the website, reporting on Matt Doughty returning as Tolson's assistant till the end of the season, that we are not actively looking for a new manager. How on earth can we sack one without the other I do not understand!!!
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If so its a tad bizarre. A new man should have been brought in,I fail to see how this will end well.
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Doomed
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I think we all agree that our League position is not precisely what we would want it to be.
Therefore might it not be an idea for us to put our personal differences aside, temporarily forget our prejudices about individuals and get 100% behind whoever is entrusted to try to lead the Club out of its current position.
Well, I've tried my utmost to ignore this post but I'm afraid it's simply annoyed me far too much!
Earlier on this very thread, it was your good self who wanted to canvass opinion regarding some people's objections to the long-term appointment of a few nominated candidates to replace Lee Sinnott.
Several contributors duly responded with perfectly valid and reasonable perspectives on this issue.
Now we are advised that we have merely been expressing prejudices against certain individuals, presumably as none of these viewpoints happen to coincide with your own which, notwithstanding a couple of requests, you have still failed to enlighten us with (although I think that we could all hazard a fairly accurate guess on that topic).
To compound matters, you then produce the insulting implication that we would not offer our 100% support to Lee Sinnott's successor in the event of them not being our manager of choice.
The club is bigger than the individual, Phil.
All I really care about at the moment is for the Board to appoint someone who can ensure that next season's Alty fixture list doesn't contain matches against FCUM or even Salford City.
Frankly, I'm disappointed, Phil, and Ibelieve that an apology is in order.
Barry,
You will have to wait a long time for an apology from the BIGGEST GOBsh*tE on this forum.
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Well thanks very much for the compliment although I am sure that there are some who may be able to challenge me for my recently bestowed accolade
If I have anything to say to Barry then, as always, I will do so privately and most definitely not on this forum, in fact I will probably be speaking to him in the next day or so
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Well thanks very much for the compliment although I am sure that there are some who may be able to challenge me for my recently bestowed accolade
If I have anything to say to Barry then, as always, I will do so privately and most definitely not on this forum, in fact I will probably be speaking to him in the next day or so
You asked people why Tolson should not be manager. You had replies. Here is mine.
My view is that by being assistant to a man who honourably quit with us in a relegation place, Tolson is part of the problem. He offers little fresh and his own track record as a manager is not inspiring. Thats my opinion, I am sure he is a decent man but he is not suitable in my view to be manager of this club for about a dozen games when we are in an almighty battle to stay up.
If Tolson proves me wrong and keeps us up then fair play and praise to the guy. I will be delighted if we stay up.
Do you think Tolson is the right choice?