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[Altysmiffy]

"Garth Crooks says English football should be "ashamed of itself" because of the lack of black coaches and managers in the game.

A BBC Sport investigation has revealed that less than 1% of senior coaching staff at Premiership and Football League clubs are black.

"It's shocking that Paul Ince and Keith Curle are the only black managers in the league," BBC reporter Crooks said." (BBC website)

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[TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe]

Did anyone mention Carlton Palmer....?!

[Sarf London Alty]

Well this is true, I can't help but think that Garth Crooks really needs to have a word with himself. Comes across as the most pompous, self-important pundit on the box, why use 1 word when about 100 will do? Curle manages Torquay as well so there will only be one at the end of the season (tragically PIMT are alright now)

Not the case at our club, Dalton does a superb job and I feel that Val Owen could make a very good manager for someone in the near future if he wants to. On the wider point I doubt it's specifically racist thinking by people who run football clubs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool all managed by foreigners, no-one's suggesting anti-English racism there.  On another leveel, if I think of the likes of Carlton Palmer, Keith Alexander they've been given a fair crack of the whip but not been able to prove themselves. Why doesn't Crooks get off his seat at the beeb and give it a go himself then?

[SW]

I think it's a valid question, there are probably a proportionate number of black afro caribbean players now but very few move on into management. If you drop down the leagues especially where I live in London a few are evident but the ratio diminishes. I have no idea why this might be, perhaps its due to different life choices or ambitions but an uneasy feeling I have makes me look at the old blazer wearing duffers (bigots) on many club boards.

We're still waiting for the influx of indian/pakistani origin players too despite our population.

[Jacko]

Im sorry but someone really needs to take a stand against this black maneger crap and its going to be me, there are clearly as many opportunity's for any skin colour in manegement, why do we not see enough british white sprinters in the olympics garth? is that something british athletics should be ashamed of? im sorry but he just lost any respect from me

[Bob]

There was a time (even in the 70s) when black players were a rarity.  Now, about 10% of the population is non-white but I believe about 25% of our professional footballers are from an ethnic minority. 

If people want to force our game to be made up of percentages more in line with our country's ethnic proportions then fair enough, but I can't help but fear it'll cause more problems along the way.

[Red N White Dynamite]

A BBC Sport investigation has revealed that less than 1% of senior coaching staff at Premiership and Football League clubs are black.

What percentage of APPLICANTS for such roles are black? If the number of applicants is proportionate to the number of people filling the posts then surely that explains a lot?

[Fred Elliot]

Sarf London Alty is right - Crooks could quite easily take a chance at managing, but chooses the safe option to wipe a seat with his arse. The opportunities are there for everyone regardless of race. He is deluded, he probably thinks Northwich are a good side as well.

[Jenga]

Im sorry but someone really needs to take a stand against this black maneger crap and its going to be me, there are clearly as many opportunity's for any skin colour in manegement, why do we not see enough british white sprinters in the olympics garth? is that something british athletics should be ashamed of? im sorry but he just lost any respect from me

Here Here - it is people like Mr Crookes who have turned this country into the state it is today. If black/white/green - no not green, red people are best for the job give them the job. What a pathetic statement he made.

Garth go be a manager if you feel so strongly about it - PILLOCK !!!

[teasybeaver]

I understand what Crooks' has pointed out but i cant see how clubs would chose or discard a manager based on colour. In fact, seeing as though many of the worlds top players are of afro-ethnicity surely a black manager would serve to attract more top quality players.

I think in 10 years time when a lot more british based black players (a la Paul Ince) have retired we'll see a lot more black managers, and why not!

The main point though i agree with. Garth Crooks is a complete prick, he's made a rod for his own back here, i'd like someone to come forward and say "I've been trying to get into football management for ages and it just won't happen.". its complete rubbish without any evidence to support it.

Does anyone know of any top black players who have just dissapeared into obscurity? Maybe they have been discriminated against.

[Jenga]

British Athlectics should be ashamed of itself as there no white sprinters.
Britsh Swimming team should be ashamed of itself as there are no black swimmers.
British motor racing should be ashamed of itself as there are no black F1 drivers.
British Asian Police Feberation should be ashamed of itself as there are no white members.
Why is there only a MOBO award and no MOWO award in Music it should be ashamed of itself.

Can you think of any more???

[teasybeaver]

British Athlectics should be ashamed of itself as there no white sprinters.
Britsh Swimming team should be ashamed of itself as there are no black swimmers.
British motor racing should be ashamed of itself as there are no black F1 drivers.
British Asian Police Feberation should be ashamed of itself as there are no white members.
Why is there only a MOBO award and no MOWO award in Music it should be ashamed of itself.

Can you think of any more???

The BNP should be ashamed of itself as there are no black members!

(at least i hope there isnt!)

[Amsterdam Alty]

British motor racing should be ashamed of itself as there are no black F1 drivers.
Why is there only a MOBO award and no MOWO award in Music it should be ashamed of itself.

Erm, this year will be the first year to have a black F1 driver from the UK can't remember his name but i think he is racing for Sauber??

The White Equivalent Of the MOBO some could sayis the Brits, or he NME awards, MOBO stand for Music of Black Origin Celebrating Music with a sound base in Music of the slaves, Blues which became Soul and Gospel Which Became RnB and Rap, White people are also aknowledge and i believe the walking Train Wreck which are Joss Stone and Mariah cary have both been aknowledged. White Music is Clasical Music which based itself in the playing of instruments and Music writing which became ite harder forms of Rock Music. which both have their own awards ceremonies.

[Garth go be a manager if you feel so strongly about it - PILLOCK !!!

He Can't he hasn't got the relevant Fifa licences.

I agree fully with what people are saying but i felt a few facts had to be pointed out sooner rather than later and avoid having this thread be construed as racialism!

[AltyTunnelSteward]

Have to agee with Slade Green Alty on this one,

You cannot claim that the number of people in a position or otherwise represents  racism without knowing what proportion of the people having applied for said position this represents.

Also it may well be that they were not the best candidate

What would be catastrophic would be the implementation of quota's and positive discrimination, I think if it ever came to that in Football I'd take up the violin

[teasybeaver]

Have to agee with Slade Green Alty on this one,

You cannot claim that the number of people in a position or otherwise represents  racism without knowing what proportion of the people having applied for said position this represents.

Also it may well be that they were not the best candidate

What would be catastrophic would be the implementation of quota's and positive discrimination, I think if it ever came to that in Football I'd take up the violin

I agree Phil (suprisingly), this is encouraging the labelling of black and white which is at the root of racism. Maybe we could have Dalton's thoughts when he returms. Does he want to be a "black football manager"  or a "football manager who happens to be black as well"?

i'm not entirely sure its that important what you are as long as you are good at it. Does Garth Crooks want a society where you are noted down for your skin colour every time you start or finish something.

It shouldn't be ground breaking anymore to be a "black" this or that. It would be more pleasing for me if we just accepted people and moved on, no big deal, a person not a colour. Don't get me wrong i'm not taking anything away from Viv Anderson, West Brom or John Barnes for how they pioneered "black" football but its done with now, labelling football managers will just create  resentment.