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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: sasha on September 08, 2007, 07:21:45 PM
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we were extremely unlucky not to win that game today and played well.Heathcotes comments however on GMR are totally unacceptable,critical of some fans for moaning and others for having too much ambition! i think everybody who supports the club only wants to finish 5th bottom,and for a team which has not won for the last sixteen games,the vast majority are very supportive of the team. He really needs to take a reality check before he criticizes anybody. Whilst not advocating a change of manager,he certainly is not bombproof and if things do not change in the next six games,questions must be asked,as they would in any business.Today was extremely negative,and we showed what we can really do when logan came on.heathcote talks of a 10year plan......i hope it does not entail 4.5.1 at home for much longer,or attendances will continue to fall.
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I've paid for my season ticket, so I have every right to moan at the sh*te negativity in each game. I don't expect us to win the league, I don't expect us to be mid table - I think we'll go down. But at least try to f**king win a game at home. Why can GH not see that playing at best average players out of position is going to result in defeat after defeat? Starting games expecting to go a goal down is not the way forward.
That starting 11 was pathetic, how many times do we have to see how much of a change Potts, Senior and Logan can make to the way the whole team plays? Lawton plays middle or not at all. Chris Senior runs his arse off whenever he gets a chance - can we say Joe does the same? Does he f**k, he know's he's starting every week so why bother trying. He doesn't get a touch all game yet doesn't get hauled off. Sedgemore and Whalley cannot play together. More and more people can see this, except the man who counts. Does Dalton get any kind of say?
I'd rather lose every game at least going out to try to win it, especially at home. Having 20 minutes of decent play a game is not good enough, especially when we STILL can't defend simple free headers. For the first time ever I am tempted not to go to the game next week that's how deflated I feel. And many others seem to be voting with their feet and attendances are going to continue to fall unless we can at least expect to have a go at teams FROM THE OFF at home. And if GH is going to play this game of blaming everyone but himself again then we are going to have big problems.
That's better.....
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Chris Senior runs his arse off whenever he gets a chance - can we say Joe does the same? Does he f**k, he know's he's starting every week so why bother trying.
Thats exacty what he does every game game he plays!
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we were extremely unlucky not to win that game today and played well.Heathcotes comments however on GMR are totally unacceptable,critical of some fans for moaning and others for having too much ambition! i think everybody who supports the club only wants to finish 5th bottom,and for a team which has not won for the last sixteen games,the vast majority are very supportive of the team. He really needs to take a reality check before he criticizes anybody. Whilst not advocating a change of manager,he certainly is not bombproof and if things do not change in the next six games,questions must be asked,as they would in any business.Today was extremely negative,and we showed what we can really do when logan came on.heathcote talks of a 10year plan......i hope it does not entail 4.5.1 at home for much longer,or attendances will continue to fall.
Unfortunately GH doesnt seem to listen to anyone, or accept that paying fans should have an opinion. By criticsing fans, he alienates them, and less people will bother to turn up. he said the same sort of things after the exeter defeat, to the suprise and disgust of some supporters. He is the manger, and should concentrate on doing his job and prove that he actually has the tactical nouse to win games again. certainly no win in the last 12 league games is a cause for concern.
GH talks about ambition, but after two successive seasons back in the conf, shouldnt we be looking for and expecting more from our manager and players?
The last 3 performances have shown improvement, but we can still play better. certainly playing players out of position and not starting our best players is not the way forward.
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The most annoying thing about GH's lack of ambition is that he has absolutely nothing to lose!! The Board will never sack him or accept any resignation and I've long accepted that he's here for the next 10 years or so (it's his living so he ain't going anywhere until he gets his pension!!).
All the comments about the negative line up are spot on but one thing I'm surprised about is that no one has commented about the totally unaceptable performance from Colin Little. He should have only made the bench today and I think his lack of effort is making O'Neill look worse. We looked so much better when Senior came on and the reason was that Chris will put the defenders (however big) under pressure whereas Little just stands off. I know Colin has been a top player these last 3 years but at the moment I think he's a luxary we can't afford.
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When will people stop moaning about G H. Yes players like Pottsy Logan and Senior can come on and change a game. However they can't do it from the start because they are playing against fresh players. Bringing them on after an hour gives us a chance as prooved today by getting an equaliser and then if chances were taken could have gone on to win. As for playing players out of position Asa had a very good game barring the cock up at the end but i thought he was man of the match. People have a go at Joe but it is only a few games since he was voted player of the season and he doesn't become a bad player overnight. Players who are going through a lean spell know it more than anyone and don't need to be constantly reminded by negative comments.
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How can you say that Potts, Senior and Logan can't do it from the start?!! Senior has far more enery etc than Little but it's ok for him to start against "fresh" players!! Surely it's got to be worth a try, especially at home, and see if we can get a couple of goals ahead rather than throwing the subs on to chase a game. I agree with your man of match and I too thought Asa had a great game.
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When will people stop moaning about G H. Yes players like Pottsy Logan and Senior can come on and change a game. However they can't do it from the start because they are playing against fresh players. Bringing them on after an hour gives us a chance as prooved today by getting an equaliser and then if chances were taken could have gone on to win. As for playing players out of position Asa had a very good game barring the cock up at the end but i thought he was man of the match. People have a go at Joe but it is only a few games since he was voted player of the season and he doesn't become a bad player overnight. Players who are going through a lean spell know it more than anyone and don't need to be constantly reminded by negative comments.
abosulte utter bollocks. how many frigging times have we brought these players on when weve been chasing the game?? all these if's and but's. surely playing the strongest lineup from the start is the best chance of winning.
"i thought he (asa) was man of the match". ???
guess you werent at the same match as me then. he played well, but not man of the match. was at fault unfortunately for the last 2 goals, but did make some crucial tackles.
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totally disagree asa did nothing wrong today and had a good game he was not at fault for there third goal, no one was we were pushing high up the pitch attacking a corner and yemi (the cheat) out ran us on a counter attack hardly anyones fault. as for th potts,logan, senior debate here's my view potts looks good to all of us when he's come off the bench this season and we are all looking and goin why isn't he starting? well let's look at it in the second half he is one on one witha defender who is not 100% who is tiered and there for can beat him easier and get a ball in (note i don't doubt pottsy's ability to do this against a fresh defender just that he can do it more effectivly if there tiered) as for logan he has started two games last week and twice went off with cramp due to his lack of match fitness, so u have a choice play him from the start and wait until he cramps up (which can happen any time) or bring him off the bench with less time for it to happen and he can get his fitness. as for senior i have said since stafford that joe and cris offer us more than joe and colin (who for me and this is just my opinion doesn't look the player he was 2 years ago or even last season but i hope it's just a slump) but for now i think senior should start as he at 3ft nuffin ;) scares the life out of big defenders as he is willing to battle with them and run at them.
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After the match on Tuesday I was really looking forward to today, and seen as GH had commented how well we'd played in the last 20 mins at York I figured he'd put out a line up based on that. How the f*ck he's gone from that to starting with no wingers, Senior on the bench and Asa at left back is physically beyond me.
I'm really glad the fans are starting to get restless. While I know our clubs position as much as the next fan I really do feel we use the "we're a small club" excuse way too much. I love that we're run properly and that we're not in debt, but we're up in the conference and if we want to stay here we need to start making some massive changes, and start thinking "we're up here, we're going to stay and work towards mid-table". I'm not saying I expect us to finish mid-table; 5th from bottom will be fantastic, but we need to start thinking as a Conference club, not as a conference north club hitting above our weight.
As was said today by a few in the bar, we have a decent squad now, and it really is quite good; but when you leave your best players out, and play others out of position, it's just stupid and a recipe for disaster. No offence to Asa, he's played as well as he can in left back and pulled some great performances, but he's not a left back. I'd say our attacking position (and lack thereof) is more worrying than left back, but why sign a left back only to not play him?
I honestly think at home we have to attack and take the game to the opposition. We only ever do this when we're down, and it's just too late. In players like Senior, Logan and Potts we have speed, attack, and players who are innovative and willing to have a go.
I don't expect us to win the league, I don't expect us to be mid table - I think we'll go down. But at least try to f**king win a game at home.
Exactly. We ALWAYS come out negative. No wonder attendence is dropping.
The only reason people get worked up is because we all love this club and want it to do well, and everyone has their own opinion on how that's done. I'm not a fan of coming on here and ranting, but I have never been as disappointed as when I heard the starting line up today.
That's my Karma f*cked...
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I know my father who has watched Alty for 73 years is getting fed up with it.I have said elsewhere what i would like for the next home game 2 wingers +2 up front using a central defender for hieght and strength if need be to either feed Colin or Chris,but GH is the manager and its upto him
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nobody wants to watch this negative football at home.It just doesnt work anyway as the results have demonstrated.If the manager thinks his tactics are correct , he is very niave.As a season ticket holder i feel very let down with the entertainment value.This team is on paper better than last year,and the wage bill probably reflects this.However,the game plan is horrible,and i dont no why supporters should just accept it continuing.I currently support the current regime,but if they continue to play defensive football at moss lane,i soon wont,and attendances will come under severe pressure.If this is the answer to survival,forget it.
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totally disagree asa did nothing wrong today and had a good game he was not at fault for there third goal, no one was we were pushing high up the pitch attacking a corner and yemi (the cheat) out ran us on a counter attack hardly anyones fault.
A defenders job is to defend. Asa was marking the guy. Yemi scored. Asa did play well, my point was he wasnt man of the match. He isnt a left back and all this "he played well, but was out of position" is really annoying. I would play lane and scott ahead of of asa. i would play my uncle on the left ( im sure he would come out of retirement too). We can only give ourselves the best chance of winning by playing the best side. peyton or clancy at LB is a must. But im not GH. so most likely we will have to suffer from playing a RB at LB despite having 2 perfeclty decent Left Backs.
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We could pretend we are a conference club and we can pretend that we should aim for mid table but realistically we are a conference north team and we are in a league too high...that however doesnt mean we should give up and be relegated we should fight and work towards getting stronger and stronger until we can establish ourselves, but for now we have to accept we are higher than the club ought to be, we did unblelievaly well over the last few seasons and we should enjoy our time up here and get behind the lads!!!
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We could pretend we are a conference club and we can pretend that we should aim for mid table but realistically we are a conference north team and we are in a league too high...that however doesnt mean we should give up and be relegated we should fight and work towards getting stronger and stronger until we can establish ourselves, but for now we have to accept we are higher than the club ought to be, we did unblelievaly well over the last few seasons and we should enjoy our time up here and get behind the lads!!!
I really don't agree with this! We're not a conference north team and we use that as an excuse way too often. Take a look at our league, both on paper and in terms of who we've played so far. Of the matches i've seen this season so far (shots, york, oxford) not only have we held are own but we've looked good (albeit much better after bringing on our attacking line up in Senior, Potts and Logan). On paper we're certainly better than a number of teams in this league, particular with our summer signings. We are not a conference north club, we're a conference club and we need to start thinking like it.
I just hope when it comes to matchday we can all set our opinions aside and get behind the lads. COME ON ALTY!
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We could pretend we are a conference club and we can pretend that we should aim for mid table but realistically we are a conference north team and we are in a league too high...that however doesnt mean we should give up and be relegated we should fight and work towards getting stronger and stronger until we can establish ourselves, but for now we have to accept we are higher than the club ought to be, we did unblelievaly well over the last few seasons and we should enjoy our time up here and get behind the lads!!!
Bollacks. We are in this league by merit (and a couple lucky decisions). we have a better side than last season, we will play better and start winning soon. we are not a conf north side (points to the signings made due to us being in this league). Yes there are bigger clubs out there, and yes there are smaller clubs out there. This is our third consectutive season in the conf national premier, our expectations should have risen season on season. we need to move forward as a team (fans included).
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We could pretend we are a conference club and we can pretend that we should aim for mid table but realistically we are a conference north team and we are in a league too high...that however doesnt mean we should give up and be relegated we should fight and work towards getting stronger and stronger until we can establish ourselves, but for now we have to accept we are higher than the club ought to be, we did unblelievaly well over the last few seasons and we should enjoy our time up here and get behind the lads!!!
Might just be me but where is the link to the fact that the we are apparently a Conference North club in a league too high and playing odd formations?
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There was a fan's forum a few weeks back.
Where were all you moaners on that night where you had the chance to voice your opinion in front of the people who make the decisions?
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So this thread was started about negativity against Oxford but recognising we were unlucky.
How the hell can you say it was negative?
4-5-1 is not necessarily negative - it is a fluid formation.
In my opinion GH got the tactics and team right on Saturday and substitutes were at the right time and we nearly won the game 2-1 if we didnt have two people going for the same ball.
Logan is not fully fit so he is best to come on later in the game at the moment, Clancy well not quite sure but perhaps he is also not fully fit yet.
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In my opinion GH got the tactics and team right on Saturday
This is absolute bollocks. I am a big fan of heathcote and think that he is the best thing for alty at the moment. However on saturday he started lawton wide right which he cant play (but i would praise him for trying.) started whalley and sedge together which is too attacking and not defensive at all. One of those two with Lawton in the middle is the right way to go about things with Val injured. Peyton on the left is a good call.Azza at left back. I could understand it when we didnt have a left back but now we do surely it would be better to start him. I honmselty think GH thinks he has to be loyal to azza because he has been such a great servant to the club, but he just isnt good enough at left back and he wont get a look in at right back. I would start O'neill and Senior up front and i think Little is another one that GH feels loyal to. I dont think we should get rid of little i just dont think that he should be the first name on the team sheet (which i'm pretty sure he would be). I would start Pottsy on the right. We are much better attacking than defending so why on earth dont we play to our strengths?
The argument about logan cramping up. Surely if this is a constant threat then we should start him and let him terrorise opponents from the off and see how far along he gets. This is surely better than bringing him on as a sub and having the possibility of him cramping up straight away and making us use another substitute to replace a sub.
Disagree about the 'we are a conference north club' thing as well. We are not. Our summer signings and the way the squad is now totally proves my point.
End of rant.
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agree with most of that :)
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In my opinion GH got the tactics and team right on Saturday
This is absolute bollocks. I am a big fan of heathcote and think that he is the best thing for alty at the moment. However on saturday he started lawton wide right which he cant play (but i would praise him for trying.) started whalley and sedge together which is too attacking and not defensive at all. One of those two with Lawton in the middle is the right way to go about things with Val injured. Peyton on the left is a good call.Azza at left back. I could understand it when we didnt have a left back but now we do surely it would be better to start him. I honmselty think GH thinks he has to be loyal to azza because he has been such a great servant to the club, but he just isnt good enough at left back and he wont get a look in at right back. I would start O'neill and Senior up front and i think Little is another one that GH feels loyal to. I dont think we should get rid of little i just dont think that he should be the first name on the team sheet (which i'm pretty sure he would be). I would start Pottsy on the right. We are much better attacking than defending so why on earth dont we play to our strengths?
The argument about logan cramping up. Surely if this is a constant threat then we should start him and let him terrorise opponents from the off and see how far along he gets. This is surely better than bringing him on as a sub and having the possibility of him cramping up straight away and making us use another substitute to replace a sub.
Disagree about the 'we are a conference north club' thing as well. We are not. Our summer signings and the way the squad is now totally proves my point.
End of rant.
All about opinions but I think this is a load of bollocks also.
Firstly he played lawton pretty much coving sedge and walley in the first half to stop Oxford running through us. Perhaps you didnt notice we had no width in the first half?
Secondly I have already mentioned Clancy might not be fit and I agree aza is a waste of space but if Clancy is not fit then what does he do?
Thirdly if GH was trying to keep the middle tight how can he play logan out wide.
Senior up front from the start, the jury is out on this one. he is not strong enough to challenge fit defenders from the start, but later in the game he is fast enough to terrorise them.
Cramp, well did you see Logan having to be substituted and us wasting a sub?
Sorry but perhaps we are on seperate wavelengths but I still feel GH got it right and brought subs on early in Potts and Logan when the game got more stretched where they we able to have a real impact and lets face it if we had gone 2-1 up perhaps you might agree with me more.
It is all about opinions as we all keep saying but people need to think of tactics for 90 mins not just the starting 11.
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In my opinion GH got the tactics and team right on Saturday
This is absolute bollocks. I am a big fan of heathcote and think that he is the best thing for alty at the moment. However on saturday he started lawton wide right which he cant play (but i would praise him for trying.) started whalley and sedge together which is too attacking and not defensive at all. One of those two with Lawton in the middle is the right way to go about things with Val injured. Peyton on the left is a good call.Azza at left back. I could understand it when we didnt have a left back but now we do surely it would be better to start him. I honmselty think GH thinks he has to be loyal to azza because he has been such a great servant to the club, but he just isnt good enough at left back and he wont get a look in at right back. I would start O'neill and Senior up front and i think Little is another one that GH feels loyal to. I dont think we should get rid of little i just dont think that he should be the first name on the team sheet (which i'm pretty sure he would be). I would start Pottsy on the right. We are much better attacking than defending so why on earth dont we play to our strengths?
The argument about logan cramping up. Surely if this is a constant threat then we should start him and let him terrorise opponents from the off and see how far along he gets. This is surely better than bringing him on as a sub and having the possibility of him cramping up straight away and making us use another substitute to replace a sub.
Disagree about the 'we are a conference north club' thing as well. We are not. Our summer signings and the way the squad is now totally proves my point.
End of rant.
All about opinions but I think this is a load of bollocks also.
Firstly he played lawton pretty much coving sedge and walley in the first half to stop Oxford running through us. Perhaps you didnt notice we had no width in the first half?
Secondly I have already mentioned Clancy might not be fit and I agree aza is a waste of space but if Clancy is not fit then what does he do?
Thirdly if GH was trying to keep the middle tight how can he play logan out wide.
Senior up front from the start, the jury is out on this one. he is not strong enough to challenge fit defenders from the start, but later in the game he is fast enough to terrorise them.
Cramp, well did you see Logan having to be substituted and us wasting a sub?
Sorry but perhaps we are on seperate wavelengths but I still feel GH got it right and brought subs on early in Potts and Logan when the game got more stretched where they we able to have a real impact and lets face it if we had gone 2-1 up perhaps you might agree with me more.
It is all about opinions as we all keep saying but people need to think of tactics for 90 mins not just the starting 11.
Load of sh*t!
Every team (except Exeter for last 30min) that has come to Mosslane this year have looked poor and certainty worse than last season however I believe our squad is better than last years and looks at its best when attacking. Its not people expectations thats the problem its people frustration at our tactics at home. We should be starting with our most threatening players and trying to get ahead at home and then after 60/70 mins bring on the more defensive players to stagnate the game, I would love to see Logan and Potts on the wings delivering killer balls like they have done everytime they have come on the pitch this season to LITTLE and SENIOR upfront. We haven’t got enough steam to try and win games near the end so why not try from the start !
Just to add i am a huge fan of Heathcote and thinks he has got it spot on away from home, but at home we should fear no foe.
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Graham says we need a bit of lady luck (apart from our goal v Aldershot presumably), all I will say is that fortune favours the brave. If you only attack for 30 mins a game you are less likely to get luck, ricochet in the box for an og etc than if you attacked for an hour. A few games this season have reminded me of Kiddy at home last year when we said another 5 mins and we'd have equalised, well if we'd started applying pressure before the 65th min, who knows? That is all.
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we have tried the same game plan in all 8 games,and it doesnt work.......somebody needs to smell the coffee.it didnt even work at stafford ,where we should have won.4.5.1 does not play to our strenghths.the first time we play an expansionist game,go on the offensive and impose ourselves ,we will win.its just a mindset.this is obvious to most people,and i am in desperate need of an afternoon of entertainment, not negativity