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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: joe on March 21, 2009, 05:20:13 PM
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No wonder crowds are dwindling! Don't think the chairmans comments in the press this week will have helped much though,sends out totally the wrong message. No doubt people will try and blame the ref again but surely it's not his fault we shipped five second half goals! That result has put us right in the relegation mix.
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No wonder crowds are dwindling! Don't think the chairmans comments in the press this week will have helped much though,sends out totally the wrong message. No doubt people will try and blame the ref again but surely it's not his fault we shipped five second half goals! That result has put us right in the relegation mix.
1 win and one draw is probably all it will take but thats not guarenteed after second half surrender today
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No wonder crowds are dwindling! Don't think the chairmans comments in the press this week will have helped much though,sends out totally the wrong message. No doubt people will try and blame the ref again but surely it's not his fault we shipped five second half goals! That result has put us right in the relegation mix.
1 win and one draw is probably all it will take but thats not guarenteed after second half surrender today
Totally agree with you. 4 points will be hard to find and that 2nd half was the worst performance from us all season.
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They outplayed us for 88 minutes of the game!!
I thought we were lucky to keep in single figures.
What a nightmare!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Playing like we apparently did today in the 2nd half it s impossible to see how we might get another 4 points.... :'(
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The team were rubbish in the second half, but the comedy refereeing was disgraceful. If i was playing i think i would have walked off in protest.
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The team were rubbish in the second half, but the comedy refereeing was disgraceful. If i was playing i think i would have walked off in protest.
The referee did not cost us the game we did that ourself a very poor team performance today- and a deserved straight red
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I am still shell shocked by all this today,i bet poor old col is gutted he does his bit and then is let down.Johnson was giving away to many freekicks from what i read on the BBC text.Dont really care if someone say the ref was poor or not,i dont think it would have made a difference,we were rubbish second half and Smith and Brown were at each othe all game by the sound of things and it was just a matter of time before the red card came out.They are not school kids and should know better.They do get paid for this sort of stuff after all.A real Pixxed off excile
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Hate to say it but I thought the main thing about today was how good FGR were. Coming forwards, I thought they were the best side I've seen this season and once they'd sorted out their first half defensive problems, there was only one winner. I think they'd have beaten us even if Smith hadn't lost his head.
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leon lets be honest,most teams are better coming forward than us these days
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completely agree, we cannot blame the ref for shipping 5 goals in the space of 35 minutes. At the end of the day it was us who came out in the second half and just didnt turn up, the ref wasn't even that bad we were just crap, end of.
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We're sh*t, and we're going down. That's the only 2 conclusions I can come to after today. So at least Geoff Goodwin will be happy.
What does GH say to the players at HT? Twice this season (today and woking) I've seen us come out and be total sh*t after decent first halfs. And whatever Jim Harvey said in his team talk needs to be copied. We cannot hold the ball, we cannot pass, we panic even at 2-0 up at home against a team well below us.
Referee - looked like Simon Le Bon. Refereed like him as well. A total shambles of a display (again) which was in keeping with ourselves.
Embarrassing and disgraceful. No one should be paid this week for that second half display. That'll help with the money problems.
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GH must start to look at the way he a) berates officials which sets them against us and b) constantly gets into the heads of our players by shouting instructions that cause confusion rather than build on strategy.c) perhaps changing his strategy of having ALL the players back for corners with no option outfield.
We must start to play the ball on the deck out of defence without the long hoof up front which 9 times out of 10 then comes winging back.
FGR played the ball out from their own keeper and maintained possession far better than ourselves.
I'm not a manager but I can see these things as can others, perhaps it's time to change our tactics and we may actually secure the points sooner than we think.
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leon lets be honest,most teams are better coming forward than us these days
My point was that I thought they were better than the likes of Stevenage, Kidderminster and Histon, whom I've also seen this season. How FGR are in a relegation scrap on that basis of that display, I have no idea.
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How FGR are in a relegation scrap on that basis of that display, I have no idea.
I thought they looked poor first half, especially at the back. With a little more composure we could have been 3 up. Although even that wouldn't have been enough!
But second half, credit to them for a great turnaround. We made them look very good by being dire. Can you imagine us going in 2 down and producing a second half display like FGR did today? It would never happen.
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No dig intended at you Leon,just a general view about us these days.
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They were stil locked in the dressing room at 5:50
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They were stil locked in the dressing room at 5:50
In a bizarre sort of way this is pleasing to hear.
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather the whole sorry affair had never taken place, but it is good to hear they were given a major rollocking.
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During the second half today everytime I looked over to the dugouts GH was just stood there with his arms folded leaning on the wall.. I sometimes have to question the tactics of this team as every time we get in front we take our foot off the pedal (is that coming from the bench)... We did the same last week against Weymouth and dare I say had we been playing against a better team than Weymouth would the same situation as today have occured..
The regular fans of this club are all too well aware of the financial plight and we do not need reminding week in and week out by Management and the Board that there is no money and support is dropping off... its the people of Altrincham and surrounding districts that do not watch Alty that need persuading to come to ML not the people who are there every week..
The way the team capitulated in the second half today was quite worrying.. We will need to play a lot better on Monday night to lift the CSC.. OK its "Only" the CSC but lets hope the team give us something to cheer about and win it..
It would be nice to drive back to Shrewsbury with a bloody smile on my face for once...
Dissapointed today? very much so,, but hey I will still be there on Mon night and next Saturday..
Cmon Alty....
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No dig intended at you Leon,just a general view about us these days.
Not taken as one. I just feel that, as poor as our second half performance was, FGR probably had one of those games when everything suddenly clicked. Fowler in midfield for them passed the ball quite superbly. And the third goal was an outstanding strike.
Its weird but I'm not as upset by today as I normally would be. And I think it's because I felt it as more about how good they were than how bad we were in the second half. We were bad though, clearly.
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In fairness, whilst these are all points that you could look at over the season I was in the main stand today and point a is very unfair.
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GH must start to look at the way he a) berates officials which sets them against us
the pressurising of the officials today was done by Jim Harvey, he completely undermined the 4th officials authority by refusing to stay in his technical area. He should have been sent to the stands. The player feigning injury so that Lawless (?) could change his boots as well as the pathetic play acting summarised some of the negative aspects of fgrs performance today. i don't htink they need to do that.
and b) constantly gets into the heads of our players by shouting instructions that cause confusion rather than build on strategy.
As a manager the aim is to not have to shout anything because the players are doing their jobs. Normally there is either a lot of shouting because they players aren't doing their jobs, and at times if they just won't do it you're better off saving your breath for another day (like 2nd half)
c) perhaps changing his strategy of having ALL the players back for corners with no option outfield.
I'm not a fan of it either.
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No wonder crowds are dwindling! Don't think the chairmans comments in the press this week will have helped much though,sends out totally the wrong message. No doubt people will try and blame the ref again but surely it's not his fault we shipped five second half goals! That result has put us right in the relegation mix.
I agree it was a woeful performance, but Alty aren't in the relegation yet. I just hope the lads can pick themselves up, learn from this harsh lesson, and put in a bloody good performance against Crawley Town, which they are capable of doing.
I still think Alty are going to stay in the BS prem, but I hope they don't take it to the wire.
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Fowler in midfield for them passed the ball quite superbly. And the third goal was an outstanding strike.
Fowler was superb for them, that was noted elsewhere. We tried to sign him a while back actually.
I also thought their number 3 (Stonehouse), small baldish guy playing left back/wing was absolutely superb. Excellent on the ball (I remember him playing well v Derby too).
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I think we will stay up this year, but next season.....?
It looks likely that we will all have to get used to afternoons like this for some time to come.
That is the worst display I have seen since we let in 7 at home,to I think it was Stafford, in the late eighties.
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Nest season will see a lot of clubs coming to our level.
I heard yesterday that FGR will go part time next year
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It looks likely,following our chairman's recent comments,that he
doesn't want to get used to Saturdays like these.
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I also thought their number 3 (Stonehouse), small baldish guy playing left back/wing was absolutely superb. Excellent on the ball (I remember him playing well v Derby too).
I agree, although he was the guy that Johnson had a lot of joy against in the away game and that combination also led to our second goal.
For such an accomplished footballing side, their defending in the first quarter of the game was remarkably bad.
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The concession of five goals in a half is diabolical. However, I'm 99% sure we'll be safe this year. We've still got a few home games, plus we've got Lewes away, if we can't pick up a few more points then I'll eat my hat.
Although it's easy to forget with the way things have gone recently, it also bodes well that Col has had a little rest and is now back and firing on all cylinders. Earlier in the season our main problem was a lack of goals...
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The reason GH was leaning against the fence with his arms folded was because he knew it was a waste of time shouting instructions, the damage had been done and the players were just running around like headless chickens.
FGR learned very quickly how to 'play' the referee, they knew exactly what they had to do to get decisions going their way, we didn't, we just fell for all their tricks, including, it has to be said, the off-side tactics.The player that was with Greg Young when he got booked, and that gave them their penalty knew exactly what he was doing.
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The reason GH was leaning against the fence with his arms folded was because he knew it was a waste of time shouting instructions, the damage had been done and the players were just running around like headless chickens.
FGR learned very quickly how to 'play' the referee, they knew exactly what they had to do to get decisions going their way, we didn't, we just fell for all their tricks, including, it has to be said, the off-side tactics.The player that was with Greg Young when he got booked, and that gave them their penalty knew exactly what he was doing.
Well in that case I hope both the manager and team show more passion and fight tonight !!!!!!!
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I think we will stay up this year, but next season.....?
It looks likely that we will all have to get used to afternoons like this for some time to come.
That is the worst display I have seen since we let in 7 at home,to I think it was Stafford, in the late eighties.
This is false, see other thread.
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I only said that i thought it was Stafford!!
It was a long time ago!!
I'll research my posts more thoroughly in future.
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Not that it was stafford, that it was our worst performance for 15 or so years. It wasn't
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Been waiting to see if anyone else spotted this on Saturday or not.
I stood on the Chequers for the first part of the second half and was amazed at what was happening.
To me it was clear to see that all their attacks came down their right hand side.
Doughty was left stranded by this and the 4,3,3 formation left Doughty on his own getting wasted by two, sometimes even three FGR players.
Sometimes they started on their left and then switched the ball over to the right for the final killer push on goal.
All we had to do was revert to 4,4,2 to cover this. However people would have probably complained we were defending and why didnt we just go at them blah blah blah.
FGR spotted the hole we had in defense and attacked it.
The problem was we didnt spot it and they kept using the same tactic.
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Jenga, I agree, they spotted this in the first half but did not score.
I discussed with my daughter we should go back to 442, but it didnt happen >:(
At times I thought we were at 343, which left us exposed.