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Fantastic team performance and we still tried to play football on a ploughed field. I’ve been to the crabble so many times and it’s typical we get the win today. Have we actually won there since Dover emerged around 93? Or whatever year it was? I remember a 2-2? I think I’ve only missed one game there and can’t actually remember a victory? Over to the stattos, I may be wrong as usual

Counterintuitively, we probably get a few more there than at one or two other places we visit. I went there in 99/00 when I was living in Germany (see the MLM) and Kevin Ellison scored. Another time we had Oasis on the supporters' coach going back. Ballers I think was a fan of Oasis before they were big, but I've no idea whether it was actually his tape.

"From Dover to Gateshead, you won't find a team like the Alty"

FA said elite sport will continue, grass roots will stop so assume we will carry on

Am I right to understand, then, that Ilkeston (for example) are going from a tv cup tie in front of 400 passionate supporters (because 600 would have been too dangerous obviously) to not being allowed to play at all? There go my plans for a bit of real football then. Unless anyone fancies a kickaround. (I had a great kickaround once with some of the lads, me and Jo in "Wembley" doubles, though we were both getting a bit unfit by then tbh. Those were the days...)

Quote from: Hugh on October 29, 2020, 08:06:41 PM

"For what it's worth, my source cites data from gov.uk, concluding that there has been "no sign of further growth" in UK daily positive tests for over a week (as of yesterday), even allowing for reporting delays",

That's a staggering statement. It's completely at odds with the stats the government is publishing. Can you share the source?

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

I think it is referring to the second graph on this page.

It's worth remembering that politicians are expert at telling "the truth" - not actual lies, but selected facts that support their argument but may give a misleading picture. Io be fair, plenty of people besides politicians may fall into this trap, that's why it is important to be indefatigable in going after the real truth, why I am tracking data from countries like Sweden and France, checkable data to see if things stack up.

"Professor Wendy Barclay, a SAGE member...said none of the current restrictions appeared to be having a significant impact on the spread of the virus" I think your doubts could be right! It will be interesting to see what happens in two weeks...
For what it's worth, my source cites data from gov.uk, concluding that there has been "no sign of further growth" in UK daily positive tests for over a week (as of yesterday), even allowing for reporting delays", and that hospital admissions are "flat since October 21st", with hospital deaths "below the 5 year average in week 42". As I have said, Sweden's cv deaths remain low, but if our failure to reach a purported herd immunity level, as seems to have happened in Sweden, is a factor, and if people's immune systems have been weakened by a lack of the usual social interaction (as I have long feared), then it is likely enough that hospital deaths could end up worse than average. In any case, the main justification for lockdowns was to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, and there are questions to be asked over why the number of intensive care beds in the UK lags behind that of other countries (ie making such an overwhelming more likely), and why, even in a normal year, hospitals have been badly stretched in recent times. More money, or fundamental changes (or both)? Lessons must be learnt.

They definitely need economists and historians on SAGE. The economy was looking a bit shaky even before March, and if there are cast iron rules of history about economic crises, for example, these should be taken into account.

 My newspaper is suggesting that a safe effective vaccine could become widely available by March, though another cites a study saying that any vaccines may need to be taken twice a year. A glaring omission in  the study was the role played by T-cell immunity. Sources from Bill Gates' mates at Imperial College London were cited. Just saying, like...

A day late this week, and relatively short. Just briefly, I would say that, besides cv mortality rates, I would consider the following information useful:
Total daily respiratory deaths; total daily deaths; the corresponding information for previous years; breakdowns by country and regions of cv mortality now compared to the Spring outbreak (ie is there evidence of herd immunity). Though I suspect I will have to do a bit of digging to get this information.
 Also, in line with my longstanding position, I would urge people towards good nutrition and supplements as a way of combatting many diseases (including this virus), eg by having plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables (and water), and high strength supplements of nutrients such as vitamins C and D3.

This week, I will list the places in order from highest mortality to lowest for easier comparison. Furthermore, I hope to look at additional changes to the format next week.

With the worst death rate this week are lockdown covidiots Belgium, whose 49 deaths/ day are equivalent to 289 deaths/day in the UK. It would appear they are some way off herd immunity.

Second worst are fellow lockdown zealots Spain, whose daily deaths of 140 equate to 203/day in the UK. This is another increase after briefly falling, and if we see cv rising in a similar way to other respiratory diseases in the winter months, there could still be further rises, although this is by no means certain.

Then follows France, with 183/ day, equivalent to 193 deaths/day in the UK. This is also a substantial rise on last week.

In fourth place (out of eight) is the "world beating" United Kingdom, with 166 deaths/day. Sadly it does not look like peaking quite yet, though whether it is justification for trashing our rights and our economy is another matter, and the exit plan still looks hazy at best. It looks like the authorities' prediction of 200 deaths/day could be an underestimate - although numbers remain well below the April peak.

Next is Brazil with 435 deaths/day, equivalent to 139 deaths/day in the UK, and another substantial drop. Could it be that the politician who suggested Winter weather as a factor was on to something?

Just ahead of them are neighbours and lockdown zealots Peru, with 56 deaths/day, equivalent to 115 deaths/day in the UK, and also down on last week. Although they still have a very high total death rate.

Much lower still is the global death rate of 5,644/day, equivalent to 49 deaths/day in the UK, and up on last week, though still well within the bounds of previous weeks.

The winners, naturally, are Sweden. They seem to have been adjusting their figures down again, but I think they had 4 deaths/day last week, equivalent to 24 deaths/day in the UK. And don't forget, they ended restrictions on over 70's last week, and this in the name of public health rather than for political reasons. All this with limited measures well short of the lockdown idiots in other countries, so that they now enjoy relative normality, and apparently a degree of herd immunity.

I think its more likely to be spreading in schools rather than pubs. The government doesn't want to close schools rightly in my opinion because it has little effect on the kids themselves but they are going to take it home. .

Patients under investigation for cv in the North West "dropped considerably" in the week to October 18th. (the Royal College of General Practitioners) - before "tier three restrictions"!

As for schools, my understanding is that no teacher has died from cv after catching it from her pupils. In any case, when I went to see my friend in Wales, who is n a vulnerable group, she had been seeing her grandchildren in the garden rather than having them inside, and I dare say other vulnerable people are making similar decisions. Either way, I can't imagine households remaining couped up at home together for large amounts of time is going to help.

GM's hospitals "very far from being overwhelmed".

As barmy new restrictions come into force today, it'll be interesting to see if this business does peak around now.

I've no problem with my predictions being held to account, I just hope that people are watching some of these other predictions as well!

I hear someone called David Rose has provided some perspective on this lockdown madness.