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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on November 29, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
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7:47 on the highlights, the red should be chalked off immediately and the FGR charged retrospectively with simulation
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-68PpqYhFlA
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I've heard the club are appealing if the video evidence is good enough.......Not watched it yet
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exactly what I thought watching it live - terrible decision.
to be fair I've watched their red card a couple of times and have no idea what he gave that for given they were awarded the freekick which looked like a 50:50 to me.
I note the highlights didn't include the 'foul' by Scott on the edge of the box at the end that clearly demonstrated how unplayable parts of the pitch were at the end
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On that evidence two of the three sendings-off were questionable in the extreme. Havern can have no complaint, but the ref did neither the FGR 6 nor O'Keefe any favours. However, the pessimist in me says that it wouldn't matter if either appealed; the FA would back the ref whatever. Way of the world, I fear ...
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Given we both have cup games next week we could support each other's claims as I expect they gave the ref a very low appraisal score too!
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I'm really not sure that video evidence is conclusive enough for any appeal to be successful.
Perhaps a camera from the opposite side of the pitch would have provided a better view of the O'Keefe incident?
And what on earth was Havern thinking?
Ridiculous.
Meanwhile, it's good to see that we learned our lesson from the opening day of the season and didn't allow Jon Parkin to have a free header from a corner kick....
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On that evidence two of the three sendings-off were questionable in the extreme. Havern can have no complaint, but the ref did neither the FGR 6 nor O'Keefe any favours. However, the pessimist in me says that it wouldn't matter if either appealed; the FA would back the ref whatever. Way of the world, I fear ...
I'm sure that the reds for Louis Moult (Wrexham) and Danny Whittaker (Macc) were turned over on appeal last season, so the FA will move if they think they need to.
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I cant tell from the video if contact was made or not. What i can tell though is the FGR player made such a meal of it, he should be reprimanded by the FA for that at least.
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He did make contact but from behind the goal you could see he hit the floor at least a yard before he slid into the player so he had little momentum by the time contact occurred. I also think it's pretty clear that the contact was not with Josh's studs but with his shin. Finally when Josh actually takes off the player isn't actually in the line of the jump, the time between jump and contact is long enough for their overreacting cheat to arrive into the path Josh is already committed to.
The defence rests
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From the highlights that looks like one of Luca's worst games in an Altrincham shirt. Gets skinned in pretty much every clip.
Their fans love an ironic cheer don't they?! I counted four in 30 seconds at one point. "Wheeeyyyyyy..."
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7:47 on the highlights, the red should be chalked off immediately and the FGR charged retrospectively with simulation
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-68PpqYhFlA
hardly conclusive
No chance of an appeal based on that
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The club get a copy of the whole game, But i'm with the rest not much to go on after watching it a few time.
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Having just watched the highlights. Dale Bennett fully deserved his red card for swearing in Simon Richman's face after a fine challenge from Richman. Josh O'Keefe challenge doesn't seem to be worthy of a yellow, though I would have a better view of the incident if the camera on the other side. Maybe the reaction of the Forest Green player got him sent off. Also I think the Forest Green player dived and got Luca a 2nd yellow.
I don't think we can appeal the Josh O'Keefe on the evidence of these highlights as the ref seems to be in a better place to see the incident. Though Louis Moult managed to overturn his red card despite poor video evidence though that was probably down to Welsh FA for that decision.
Forest Green seem to be similar team to Barnet who play in a 'professional' way to win games.
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As someone who saw Luca Havern's challenge from the other side, it was a definite bear hug and nailed on red card
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I am still struggling to understand why we wanted it played at all
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Luca's was a blatant shirt pull that went on for a good 2 or 3 yards as he tried to wrestle his way onto the box - it started outside but I thought finished inside the area. Never a red but a (second) yellow all day long, not even that ref could get that one wrong
Best view of Josh was actually from the end of the pitch as that would show him hitting the floor a yard before sliding into the player and would also show that his leg was not straight out in front of him when contact was made but almost at 90 degrees so no danger of studs impacting the opposition.
And yes they did over react to everything all afternoon
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Having seen the incident although the red was a bad decision it's not the a incident that they will over turn
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7:47 on the highlights, the red should be chalked off immediately and the FGR charged retrospectively with simulation
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-68PpqYhFlA
Everyone, I've just sent the usual pieces to the Evening News and Messenger, incorporating the latest on Josh's red card. I've copied and pasted the relevant couple of pars about Josh, below, just so you know what's happening. Hope that helps, though, frustratingly, it does look as though he will still miss the Colchester game. Not too much optimism, it would appear, that the red will just be wiped out completely..
Alty are appealing the straight red for O'Keefe, with chairman Grahame Rowley commenting: 'We felt it seemed very unjust. The tackle by Josh was not malicious, and the conditions were also a factor. They were far from ideal.'
However, Alty are still bracing themselves for the loss of their energetic midfielder, as well as Havern, for Sunday's FA Cup second-round tie at Colchester. A decision is expected this week, but even if the appeal is upheld, the fear is the red card may be downgraded to a yellow, which would take O'Keefe to five bookings and a one-match ban.
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Cheers John
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I would have to say that if this is the only footage available then, unless the Ref has made a total horlicks of his report, we won't have Josh for Colchester
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He made a total horlicks of everything else so it's a possibility but I agree downgrade to a yellow is more likely. Still worth doing as it gives him another 5 yellows before the next ban and only 1 game rather than 3 for a straight red
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According to the FGR forum, they are also appealing their red card: http://forum.fgrfc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57591