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Title: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Hale Alty on July 13, 2023, 10:13:35 AM
Anyone know if this game will be segregated. I've got a work colleague who is a County fan coming over and I need to know if I'll have to paint myself blue and smuggle myself in to the away end.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on July 13, 2023, 09:53:43 PM
Anyone know if this game will be segregated. I've got a work colleague who is a County fan coming over and I need to know if I'll have to paint myself blue and smuggle myself in to the away end.
Tickets for the game on club website show home and away so it's segregated. Tickets for the game against United under 21s are not differentiated so it's not segregated.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 14, 2023, 09:38:39 AM
Anyone know if this game will be segregated. I've got a work colleague who is a County fan coming over and I need to know if I'll have to paint myself blue and smuggle myself in to the away end.

Can't you paint him red instead? Forecast to rain, at least you'll both be under cover!
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 14, 2023, 10:09:40 AM
I realise that I'm always seeming to be a pessimistic wet blanket on here, but I fear the worst for this one.
Personally we'll be swerving it as we'll be spending the time with new grandson Freddie! 😉
(the season ticket cards haven't arrived yet anyway and we only get deliveries every two days with being out in the sticks!)
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 14, 2023, 11:58:10 AM
PS. Season Tickets have just arrived 'special delivery'!

Thanks so much to all at the Club for prompt delivery 🚚

All set for the season now.
Come on you Super Robins 👍 🇦🇹 🏆 🥇

(by the way, feeling a bit more confident about the weekend now) 😊😊
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on July 14, 2023, 05:14:39 PM
Have I missed the download for the season ticket? I got my card today but wondering what happens tomorrow to those season ticket holders without a card.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 14, 2023, 05:32:25 PM
Have I missed the download for the season ticket? I got my card today but wondering what happens tomorrow to those season ticket holders without a card.

I'm not very tech savvy but as I'd not had a download either, I assumed only those who opted for the eticket would get it. We just flash the card at the machine.

PS. Could be totally wrong about that though 😉
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on July 14, 2023, 06:09:39 PM
Have I missed the download for the season ticket? I got my card today but wondering what happens tomorrow to those season ticket holders without a card.

I'm not very tech savvy but as I'd not had a download either, I assumed only those who opted for the eticket would get it. We just flash the card at the machine.

PS. Could be totally wrong about that though 😉
It's the first time I've opted for a card since the old season ticket books. Perhaps you either get the online ticket or the plastic card and not both.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 14, 2023, 06:31:27 PM
Have I missed the download for the season ticket? I got my card today but wondering what happens tomorrow to those season ticket holders without a card.

I'm not very tech savvy but as I'd not had a download either, I assumed only those who opted for the eticket would get it. We just flash the card at the machine.

PS. Could be totally wrong about that though 😉
It's the first time I've opted for a card since the old season ticket books. Perhaps you either get the online ticket or the plastic card and not both.

That's what I meant.
Don't know if it's correct though 😉
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on July 14, 2023, 10:04:52 PM
Have I missed the download for the season ticket? I got my card today but wondering what happens tomorrow to those season ticket holders without a card.

I'm not very tech savvy but as I'd not had a download either, I assumed only those who opted for the eticket would get it. We just flash the card at the machine.

PS. Could be totally wrong about that though 😉
It's the first time I've opted for a card since the old season ticket books. Perhaps you either get the online ticket or the plastic card and not both.

That's what I meant.
Don't know if it's correct though 😉
I think you are correct Saughall. If you got both you could get two people in if you were dishonest.😱
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 14, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
Have I missed the download for the season ticket? I got my card today but wondering what happens tomorrow to those season ticket holders without a card.

I'm not very tech savvy but as I'd not had a download either, I assumed only those who opted for the eticket would get it. We just flash the card at the machine.

PS. Could be totally wrong about that though 😉
It's the first time I've opted for a card since the old season ticket books. Perhaps you either get the online ticket or the plastic card and not both.

That's what I meant.
Don't know if it's correct though 😉
I think you are correct Saughall. If you got both you could get two people in if you were dishonest.😱

I think it would show as trying to use the same one twice and stop you from doing that actually but I'm not tech enough to be sure 🤔
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: distancetraveller on July 14, 2023, 10:20:11 PM
If you haven’t a season ticket yet you can show your season ticket receipt from when you paid for it
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 15, 2023, 09:19:34 AM
Despite the start to the pre season - and the inclement weather conditions - I'm heading down as I suspect we'll get a glimpse of Cricky again. That's worth it alone.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Altyrocket on July 15, 2023, 12:44:01 PM
Due to the inclement weather and the number of travelling fans, we have taken the decision to give the top section of the Popular Side to our friends from
@StockportCounty

(opens popcorn and sits back)

Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on July 15, 2023, 02:54:45 PM
Nothing on Twitter, and can't get RR. Ah well, it's only a friendly.....
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on July 15, 2023, 03:17:13 PM
Twitter says RR is having some technical difficulties.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Dianne on July 15, 2023, 03:29:00 PM
It’s on now and 0-0 at the moment.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 15, 2023, 04:17:22 PM
Is it really bad to say I'm glad Ollie Byrne did that?

Manager has to act.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Hale Alty on July 15, 2023, 04:39:26 PM
i've spent the last few years hoping stockport would release ben hinchliffe and that alty would make a move for him.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on July 15, 2023, 04:58:22 PM
The first name on team sheet for Tuesday at Wythenshawe Town is Ryan Forde. We CANNOT persist with Byrne - he's a total liability.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 15, 2023, 05:39:42 PM
On a more positive note, a number of first teamers did themselves no harm at all - Eddy Jones, Lewis Baines, Chria Conn-Clarke (who sparked into life after half an hour) and Regan Linney all did well.

I liked the look of the two Justins, and given his technical proficiency and willingness to get forward I actually think I prefer Donawa to Banks at full back (I didn't know he could play there too).

Joey Jones has a really unusual gait - doesn't look a very natural footballer - but was busy giving instructions and I didn't really see him doing too much wrong either.

Osborne has been done to death, but we do need better.

Where's Isaac Marriott and Dior Angus? I'm guessing some players are still on holiday.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: b23 on July 15, 2023, 05:44:56 PM
I think Isaac is still injured
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: StaffsAlty on July 15, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Wasnt able make it to the game.
Not seen the result but im guessing from post we have a hat- trick of pre-season results!
I cannot believe that PP has kept Byrne on after last seasons perfornance.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: b23 on July 15, 2023, 06:11:28 PM
Who teaches Byrne to improve him?   Is it Gould? Is he good enough ?
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: AltyRobin on July 15, 2023, 06:14:05 PM
A good few positives from todays game. Good performances from the regulars. Impressed with Roscoe and Joey Jones looks decent. Lewis Banks wouldn’t get a game on a park on a Sunday morning. How we didn’t sign Welch-Hayes I’ll never know
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Hale Alty on July 15, 2023, 06:14:54 PM
this is full time professional football, not the academy squad. he can do all his improving somewhere else while our new experienced capable goalkeeper (when we get one) is between the sticks.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 15, 2023, 06:33:07 PM
this is full time professional football, not the academy squad. he can do all his improving somewhere else while our new experienced capable goalkeeper (when we get one) is between the sticks.

It's not even an age thing at this stage.

Harry Tyrer was the best keeper in the National League North by a country mile last season, what I'd give for Everton to be willing to give him to us this season.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: hsmith1 on July 15, 2023, 06:36:45 PM
i am hoping he gets all the nerves and errors out of his system before the start of the season
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on July 15, 2023, 06:46:47 PM
i am hoping he gets all the nerves and errors out of his system before the start of the season

It's not just nerves and errors Harold. He doesn't control his penalty area adequately, and stays rooted to his line far too often. I don't believe he can be cured.

Remember Andrew Dawber ? Neil Young brought him in with a decent reputation from West Ham, and he was appalling. Every error was somebody else's fault in his opinion. Inside 5 years he drifted down the pyramid to Charnock Richard, and then out of the game completely. It pains me to say it, but Ollie Byrne puts me in mind of him in so many ways.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 15, 2023, 06:47:19 PM
this is full time professional football, not the academy squad. he can do all his improving somewhere else while our new experienced capable goalkeeper (when we get one) is between the sticks.

It's not even an age thing at this stage.

Harry Tyrer was the best keeper in the National League North by a country mile last season, what I'd give for Everton to be willing to give him to us this season.

He's at Chesterfield this season isn't he?
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: oneedham on July 15, 2023, 07:17:07 PM
We still have time.
A quality CM is needed. Joey Jones and Marriott isn't enough.
RB is concern.
We must act on signing a keeper before the season starts. It is now becoming cruel on the lad. For his own mental health he needs to learn from a capable number 1.
GK's can win, or lose you a load of points over the season.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: distancetraveller on July 15, 2023, 07:29:28 PM
I was quite pleased with what I saw in the first half and thought we deserved our half time lead.
Obviously with all the changes at half time I wasn’t too worried or surprised that Stockport went on to win.

CCC Kossy and Linney were good and the central defenders looked good.

What did, and has been worrying me is that the lad Byrne is blatantly not good enough, and neither is Gould.

On my way out after the final whistle I did speak to our Joint Chairman and said to him, if we don’t invest in another goalkeeper then we will struggle this coming season.

I think that I am in the majority of Alty fans who think this.
I have no Gripe with Ollie or his family, I just think that if this club is really serious about an upward progression then funds must be made available before we meet Dagenham & Redbridge on the 5th August.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: oneedham on July 15, 2023, 07:35:42 PM
I was quite pleased with what I saw in the first half and thought we deserved our half time lead.
Obviously with all the changes at half time I wasn’t too worried or surprised that Stockport went on to win.

CCC Kossy and Linney were good and the central defenders looked good.

What did, and has been worrying me is that the lad Byrne is blatantly not good enough, and neither is Gould.

On my way out after the final whistle I did speak to our Joint Chairman and said to him, if we don’t invest in another goalkeeper then we will struggle this coming season.

I think that I am in the majority of Alty fans who think this.
I have no Gripe with Ollie or his family, I just think that if this club is really serious about an upward progression then funds must be made available before we meet Dagenham & Redbridge on the 5th August.

Correct. It is nothing personal.
This season could fizzle out before it starts, unless we solve the matter.
This includes CM aswell, unless we can have Maxi on loan.
Two of the most important positions are currently weak.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: distancetraveller on July 15, 2023, 07:42:26 PM
I was quite pleased with what I saw in the first half and thought we deserved our half time lead.
Obviously with all the changes at half time I wasn’t too worried or surprised that Stockport went on to win.

CCC Kossy and Linney were good and the central defenders looked good.

What did, and has been worrying me is that the lad Byrne is blatantly not good enough, and neither is Gould.

On my way out after the final whistle I did speak to our Joint Chairman and said to him, if we don’t invest in another goalkeeper then we will struggle this coming season.

I think that I am in the majority of Alty fans who think this.
I have no Gripe with Ollie or his family, I just think that if this club is really serious about an upward progression then funds must be made available before we meet Dagenham & Redbridge on the 5th August.

Correct. It is nothing personal.
This season could fizzle out before it starts, unless we solve the matter.
This includes CM aswell, unless we can have Maxi on loan.
Two of the most important positions are currently weak.

I think you will find that we cannot use any MUFC players for loan purposes until the New Year
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: oneedham on July 15, 2023, 07:44:42 PM
I was quite pleased with what I saw in the first half and thought we deserved our half time lead.
Obviously with all the changes at half time I wasn’t too worried or surprised that Stockport went on to win.

CCC Kossy and Linney were good and the central defenders looked good.

What did, and has been worrying me is that the lad Byrne is blatantly not good enough, and neither is Gould.

On my way out after the final whistle I did speak to our Joint Chairman and said to him, if we don’t invest in another goalkeeper then we will struggle this coming season.

I think that I am in the majority of Alty fans who think this.
I have no Gripe with Ollie or his family, I just think that if this club is really serious about an upward progression then funds must be made available before we meet Dagenham & Redbridge on the 5th August.

Correct. It is nothing personal.
This season could fizzle out before it starts, unless we solve the matter.
This includes CM aswell, unless we can have Maxi on loan.
Two of the most important positions are currently weak.

I think you will find that we cannot use any MUFC players for loan purposes until the New Year

Thank you.

Never knew that. Then we need to sign another CM.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Alty Bri on July 15, 2023, 07:52:16 PM
It's a tough one this because I'd imagine J Jones and Isaac would be first choice cm with both CCC and Kossy able to do 10. Effectively, another CM would be a squad player.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: oneedham on July 15, 2023, 08:23:50 PM
It's a tough one this because I'd imagine J Jones and Isaac would be first choice cm with both CCC and Kossy able to do 10. Effectively, another CM would be a squad player.

I agree but do we all think Joey Jones is going to perfom every week....
Lundstram had massive boots.
I would argue we need to have 3 quality CMs and I think all would get minutes. Osborne can't be our main back up.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 15, 2023, 08:38:21 PM
Sadly neither Ollie nor Osborne should be anywhere near the team.
I'm aware some might see this level of criticism as a bad thing (JH certainly did!) but it all stems from genuine concern.
As said elsewhere, failure to act promptly could be a massive error of judgement.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Alty Bri on July 16, 2023, 09:05:18 AM
It's a tough one this because I'd imagine J Jones and Isaac would be first choice cm with both CCC and Kossy able to do 10. Effectively, another CM would be a squad player.

I agree but do we all think Joey Jones is going to perfom every week....
Lundstram had massive boots.
I would argue we need to have 3 quality CMs and I think all would get minutes. Osborne can't be our main back up.

I agree, but PP is unlikely to remove Osborne from the squad so I just can't see another midfielder joining.

I think the priority for PP will remain a LW (should there be any additions) and of course now he may be forced to pursue a new keeper. Moving forward, RB may become an issue from what I have seen.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 16, 2023, 09:27:17 AM
I had missed that Tyrer moved to Chesterfield. Arguably the final piece of the jigsaw for them. There's still lots of trialling goalkeepers I would have thought, plus plenty of clubs further up the pyramid that are looking to send their promising young goalkeepers out on loan.

The right back situation is beyond bizarre. We finished the season with two capable right backs, and would have been happy enough to see either start the season with us. The way we acted made us think we had a firm target in place; now it appears that wasn't the case. If Donawa is an auxilliary full back / winger then he's miles better than our last one, Brad Jackson, on a technical level. But can he defend well enough? You could argue Joel Senior wasn't the strongest on the back foot, so let's wait and see. I do like Donawa.

We do need another central midfielder but I agree I don't think the management will feel that there's room for another one. We should be looking at moving Osbrone on to create room, or we should be taking on a young central midfielder like Dylan Boyle who I've banged on about plenty enough.

Left wing is interesting because I'm hoping that's where Dior Angus is currently being considered. Matty Kosylo and CCC can also play out on that side too. We shouldn't be rotating our centre forward.

Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 16, 2023, 10:07:15 AM
A much more articulate expression of my view! 😉
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: distancetraveller on July 16, 2023, 09:34:58 PM
Listening to Phil’s post match summing up I’m left with the opinion that he will stick with Ollie Byrne and he is confident that Ollie will work his way through it.

I hope you are right Phil because if you are wrong we could be in Big trouble come mid September.

From what I saw in the first half on Saturday, and a couple of the lads who played in the second half, we have the basis of a good team to make a decent fist of this season, but everyone will need to be on top of their game.

I would love Ollie to make me eat my words…
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on July 16, 2023, 09:54:22 PM
Ollie couldn't make you eat your supper.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Amsterdam Alty on July 16, 2023, 11:41:45 PM
The interview is a little scary. We can't just back the lad and hope for the best. Something really needs fixing and it doesn't sound like Phil agrees.

TT got time in a much lower standard league to come good, this is not the same thing sadly.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Bath Alty on July 17, 2023, 07:28:10 AM
Is there any chance he’s just saying that to try and rebuild the shattered confidence of the lad jay in case his behind the scenes hunt for a decent keeper doesn’t pay off. Phil publicly saying he’s not good enough and we need to find a new keeper would t help Ollie or our negotiating position?

I think I’m clutching at straws!
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 17, 2023, 10:16:57 AM
I don't think Ollie is a bad keeper; but any other player would get respite. Dinanga, Osborne, Hulme, Linney if mistakes are made.

Time for Phil to perform a duty of care; bring in a 2nd GK and give Ollie the support he needs. Coming from Welsh Champions behind a top-quality defence,  he's being challenged for the first time in his adult career.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on July 17, 2023, 11:39:37 AM
Is there any chance he’s just saying that to try and rebuild the shattered confidence of the lad jay in case his behind the scenes hunt for a decent keeper doesn’t pay off. Phil publicly saying he’s not good enough and we need to find a new keeper would t help Ollie or our negotiating position?

I think I’m clutching at straws!

I sincerely hope you're right, and I suppose that would make sense.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on July 17, 2023, 11:40:21 AM
I don't think Ollie is a bad keeper; but any other player would get respite. Dinanga, Osborne, Hulme, Linney if mistakes are made.

Time for Phil to perform a duty of care; bring in a 2nd GK and give Ollie the support he needs. Coming from Welsh Champions behind a top-quality defence,  he's being challenged for the first time in his adult career.

100% behind this sensible post.  My mind is cast back to Joe Corrigan in the early 1970s at City.  The boo boys were rewarded with the signing of Keith MacRae from Motherwell in 1973/74 who immediately took Joe's place in the first team.  MacRae cost City £100,000 which was a tidy sum at the time.

Suffice to say that Joe had been retained and developed behind the scenes and it was he, not MacRae, following his  return to the first team, who went on to become a City legend.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: swindellsworth on July 17, 2023, 01:05:19 PM
I don't think Ollie is a bad keeper; but any other player would get respite. Dinanga, Osborne, Hulme, Linney if mistakes are made.

Time for Phil to perform a duty of care; bring in a 2nd GK and give Ollie the support he needs. Coming from Welsh Champions behind a top-quality defence,  he's being challenged for the first time in his adult career.

100% behind this sensible post.  My mind is cast back to Joe Corrigan in the early 1970s at City.  The boo boys were rewarded with the signing of Keith MacRae from Motherwell in 1973/74 who immediately took Joe's place in the first team.  MacRae cost City £100,000 which was a tidy sum at the time.

Suffice to say that Joe had been retained and developed behind the scenes and it was he, not MacRae, following his  return to the first team, who went on to become a City legend.
I agree with both these views . Bring in a keeper with big match experience for the now and allow Ollie to develop into the player we believe he can become but away from the heated spotlight he is under at the moment.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 17, 2023, 01:34:20 PM
Yes. I agree with the general consensus that he's in need of good coaching and not getting rid of.
With a big, experienced keeper to learn from he could develop into a real talent for us.
Putting him in the firing line though is not going to achieve that.
I'm absolutely positive that Parky knows all this and will deal with the situation appropriately. He knows, as we do, that the first half dozen matches (especially) could well decide the path we end up taking this season.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: CRT Butty on July 17, 2023, 09:01:21 PM
I don't think Ollie is a bad keeper; but any other player would get respite. Dinanga, Osborne, Hulme, Linney if mistakes are made.

Time for Phil to perform a duty of care; bring in a 2nd GK and give Ollie the support he needs. Coming from Welsh Champions behind a top-quality defence,  he's being challenged for the first time in his adult career.

100% behind this sensible post.  My mind is cast back to Joe Corrigan in the early 1970s at City.  The boo boys were rewarded with the signing of Keith MacRae from Motherwell in 1973/74 who immediately took Joe's place in the first team.  MacRae cost City £100,000 which was a tidy sum at the time.

Suffice to say that Joe had been retained and developed behind the scenes and it was he, not MacRae, following his  return to the first team, who went on to become a City legend.

A bit off topic but Joe Corrigan was my absolute hero as a lad. I used to watch city a fair bit all those decades ago and he was an excellent keeper. Thanks for that bit of info. He was coaching until a dozen or so years ago.
Title: Re: Stockport County match thread
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on July 17, 2023, 10:06:00 PM
I have moved my latest post continuing on the theme of Ollie and Joe Corrigan over to the 'Goalkeeper' thread.