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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Inter Alty! on September 09, 2021, 01:02:00 AM
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So, after the Dover comeback win... partly due to the introduction of subs i wonder if some of these subs may force their way into the starting XI (eg Pringle, Leitch-Smith) plus Dean Furman with all his experience will also be pushing to start though more likely will have to be content with a spot on the bench again...
Also the other issue is the problem area of LB caused by injuries to Hampson, White, Dens, Fitzpatrick plus Bunney being dropped to the bench at Dover (unless had slight knock)... if none of these are fit assume Senior will again move from RB to LB & Jackson start at RB (even though more of a winger)...
Then there is the no.10 & striker positions... Mooney (in Lge Team of the Week twice now) & Colclough will surely start on wings/sides of 3 behind striker... that leaves Hancock in no.10 spot (if fit) or Kosylo (who was replaced against Dover) or maybe Leitch-Smith who did well when he came on last match... Dinanga has not done it last two games so maybe a replacement could happen there eg Leitch-Smith or Peers...
Hence lots of questions to address & we are unaware of injury updates (plus we seemed to play better after substitutions as a team v Dover)...
My best guess is the following (in usual 4,2,3,1)...
Thompson
Jackson Mullarkey Hannigan Senior
Moult Kirby
Mooney Hancock Colclough
Leitch-Smith
Subs- Pringle, Kosylo, Furman, Dinanga, Peers
NB if Hancock unfit then start Kosylo & add Bunney to bench...
Score Prediction: Wealdstone 1-3 ALTY (Mooney, Colclough, Leitch-Smith)
Looking forward to going this game... COYR!
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I assumed Kosylo came off and it was his first game for quite a while.
I think it will be starting 11 as Saturday. Subs to be introduced depending on state of play.
Wealdstone 1-2 Alty (Hannigan, Colclough)
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Keep the good start to the season going
Wealdstone 0-2 Alty. Mullarkey & Mooney
First clean sheet of the season.
Also going to this one.
Onwards & Upwards.
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For what it's worth, I do think PP will make changes to the starting 11.
It'd be mind-blowing if Pringle didn't play somewhere in that midfield. Keeping a player with Furman's experience happy on the bench is going to be tough, but it's likely to continue.
I think PP will continue with Dinganga for now and Hanks will return to the starting 11.
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For what it's worth, I do think PP will make changes to the starting 11.
It'd be mind-blowing if Pringle didn't play somewhere in that midfield. Keeping a player with Furman's experience happy on the bench is going to be tough, but it's likely to continue.
I think PP will continue with Dinganga for now and Hanks will return to the starting 11.
Think you could be right AB.
Furman has a chance of coming on at some point though as he's a defensive midfielder who aims to protect the defence... and that could be needed later on in the game.
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For what it's worth, I do think PP will make changes to the starting 11.
It'd be mind-blowing if Pringle didn't play somewhere in that midfield. Keeping a player with Furman's experience happy on the bench is going to be tough, but it's likely to continue.
I think PP will continue with Dinganga for now and Hanks will return to the starting 11.
I think this might be spot on, I think Pringle might come in and Hancock will be rotated in for Kosylo too I think.
Should make for a strong bench regardless of whoever starts.
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I'd be careful not to underestimate Wealdstone.
Their last two fixtures have comprised creditable draws against Southend United (home) and league leaders Dagenham & Redbridge (away) respectively.
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I wouldn't underestimate anybody in this league. Dover were much better than I expected, and gave us quite a game. We may be slight favourites at Wealdstone, I would have thought
I also expect Ben Pringle will start, after his performance against Dover, while Leitch-Smith and Hancock might do. Although the defence currently more or less picks itself from those available, there are lots of options in midfield and up front.
By the way, anyone between 18 and 23 make sure you get the cheaper Next Gen ticket Nice to see young people being favoured over pensioners for once, I will say, donning my tin helmet.
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I think 2-3 is more likely (assuming we win), they have scored seven goals in three games and we still have too many defenders out. Hancock is bound to start scoring sooner or later, and for me it's difficult to leave him out.
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I'd be happy with a draw, and delighted with a win.
Four points from the next two games would be nice.
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I'd be happy with a draw, and delighted with a win.
Four points from the next two games would be nice.
I'd be happy with a draw, especially so if it's nil nil. Clean sheet please.
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I'd be happy with a draw, and delighted with a win.
Four points from the next two games would be nice.
4 points would definitely be a very sensible target - I always keep one eye on the corresponding fixtures from the season prior, which was 3pts.
Wealdstone's recent results show they are certainly no mugs, they'll see tomorrow as a great chance for them to get their first win of the season.
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Yes a draw Saturday and win on Tues would return 7 points from 3 games. This is what I was aiming for.
Wealdstone will be no pushover, hence why I can't see Pringle starting.
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Same team as last match according to the match day updates thread.
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LOST SBL
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With their late winner and what sounds like a horrific injury for Connor Kirby, that sounded like a dreadful afternoon.
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RR were of the opinion that Brad Jackson should only have seen yellow, and that the "penalty" was a joke.
Connor Kirby's is injury is far more concerning than that however.
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Photographs from the Wealdstone perspective:
https://eglitephotos.smugmug.com/2021-22/2021-09-11-Wealdstone-v-Altrincham/ (https://eglitephotos.smugmug.com/2021-22/2021-09-11-Wealdstone-v-Altrincham/)
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RR were of the opinion that Brad Jackson should only have seen yellow, and that the "penalty" was a joke.
Connor Kirby's is injury is far more concerning than that however.
I was sat two rows in front of them and so had the same view and reached the same conclusion. Jackson wasn’t a violent challenge just a cynical foul two yards into our half.
Penalty was pretty close range shot and it did hit his arm as he spun round so when it hit the back of his arm it wasn’t tucked tight to his side but certainly wasn’t in an unnatural position of making his body bigger. Never a pen for me but I guess it’s one of those that VAR might not have over turned as a ‘clear and obvious error’ because it did hit his arm.
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RR were of the opinion that Brad Jackson should only have seen yellow, and that the "penalty" was a joke.
Connor Kirby's is injury is far more concerning than that however.
I’m just back from the game and surprised to read these comments. To me, it was a nailed on red card for Brad, a terrible tackle that we would have been screaming for red. The penalty is more subjective but his arm was raised and not by his side from where I was and it didn’t surprise me when he pointed to the spot.
Can only wish Connor all the best, it looked really nasty and can only hope if it’s broken that it’s a ‘clean’ break without complications.
We missed so many chances today I lost count. As willing a runner as he is, Daninga seems to be poor at positioning when crosses come into the box and often tries to do too much when he gets that part right. He really should have had a hat trick today.
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Fozz told me that Connor Kirby has broke his ankle.
The fact that the poor lad had to wait an hour for an ambulance is pathetic in this day and age.
One of the stewards told me that when they rang for an ambulance they were initially told it would be 5 hours.
Had a beer prior to the kick off and met a few of their fans who were very friendly.
Re the game. Thought we should have won it. But as Hughsey said .. they should get their heads up ready for Tuesday night.
Kosylo needs to stop chopsing or he will get booked more often than not.
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CONNOR INJURY UPDATE
For anyone who does not have twitter or follow my twitter feed 'Inter Alty FC' here is an update from Connor Kirby's mum...
I have passed on all Alty & Wealdstone fans best wishes to Connor's mum & she thanks us all...
She confirmed he has fractured tib+fib compound (open) fracture (as Brian Flynn had heard yesterday) & will be having surgery this afternoon...
We continue to wish him well & hope he makes a full recovery... our thoughts are with Connor, his mum & family.
Cheers, Phil (Inter Alty)
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Connor update just been put on Alty website...
Following the serious injury suffered in the second half of yesterday's 1-0 defeat at Wealdstone, Connor Kirby was taken to St.Mary's Hospital in Paddington and has a double compound fracture of his left leg.
Club Director, Neil Faulkner and Football Director, Rob Esteva accompanied Connor to the hospital & his girlfriend arrived at 10pm to be with him.
The 23-year-old midfielder, who has had such a positive start to the season will be operated on today and will be in hospital for 5-7 days.
Everyone at Altrincham Football Club wishes Connor well with his operation and that he is able to make as speedy a recovery as possible from his serious leg injury.
We would also like to take this opportunity to thank Wealdstone for their help and support in ensuring that Connor, whose birthday was on Friday, received the help he needed.
Our talented medical team of Ryan Murray and Ryan Spencer, who were quick to act as per usual, ensured that the Harrogate Town loanee will get the best possible chance of returning to the pitch as soon as possible.
Further updates will be provided in due course.
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Fozz told me that Connor Kirby has broke his ankle.
The fact that the poor lad had to wait an hour for an ambulance is pathetic in this day and age.
One of the stewards told me that when they rang for an ambulance they were initially told it would be 5 hours.
Had a beer prior to the kick off and met a few of their fans who were very friendly.
Re the game. Thought we should have won it. But as Hughsey said .. they should get their heads up ready for Tuesday night.
Kosylo needs to stop chopsing or he will get booked more often than not.
speedy recovery . The NHS is on its knees sadly
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Hopes are for a Speedy recovery to Connor.
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speedy recovery Conner
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Terrible news about Connor.
Keep your head up and come back stronger.
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Wealdstone fans doing a bucket collection for Connor at their next home game.
Classy gesture.
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Well done to all concerned at Wealdstone for their fundraising efforts.
Just seen the highlights, its a very very harsh red. Defo grounds for an appeal.
Nailed on pen though
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Thompson has virtually reached the penalty spot by the time the Wealdstone player takes that penalty kick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI)
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Thompson has virtually reached the penalty spot by the time the Wealdstone player takes that penalty kick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI)
Both decisions look more reasonable on the replay than I thought live. Tony’s penalty technique has always been to run at the taker. Watch the bishop Auckland shoot out. He needs to change it really as sooner or later he’s going to get called out by a ref because it’s not even marginal!
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Having listened to PPs' interview sounds like we will appeal the red
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Having listened to PPs' interview sounds like we will appeal the red
Despite the RR commentary being convinced it was harsh, I'm not unhappy with the red card now I've seen it.
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Thompson has virtually reached the penalty spot by the time the Wealdstone player takes that penalty kick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI)
Both decisions look more reasonable on the replay than I thought live. Tony’s penalty technique has always been to run at the taker. Watch the bishop Auckland shoot out. He needs to change it really as sooner or later he’s going to get called out by a ref because it’s not even marginal!
I remember a Kettering Town keeper did the same in a penalty shoot out at Moss Lane some years back and saved it. I shouted "he's off his line"! Fortunately the referee agreed and the retaken penalty was scored as Alty went on to win the shootout.
Really though, unless keepers are booked for being off their line, what has he got to lose by trying his luck?
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Thompson has virtually reached the penalty spot by the time the Wealdstone player takes that penalty kick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbrgMU5ZFI)
Both decisions look more reasonable on the replay than I thought live. Tony’s penalty technique has always been to run at the taker. Watch the bishop Auckland shoot out. He needs to change it really as sooner or later he’s going to get called out by a ref because it’s not even marginal!
I remember a Kettering Town keeper did the same in a penalty shoot out at Moss Lane some years back and saved it. I shouted "he's off his line"! Fortunately the referee agreed and the retaken penalty was scored as Alty went on to win the shootout.
Really though, unless keepers are booked for being off their line, what has he got to lose by trying his luck?
Shot hits the post and ref orders a retake or he saves a rubbish pen he could have saved on his line and the guy gets another go. Equally what’s the point of saving one with this technique if there’s a chance the save gets chalked off?
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I assume keepers will get away with it sometimes. In the Kettering shootout, their keeper had come off his line for another penalty before the one which was retaken. If keeepers never get away with it I imagine it would stop. Same with the blatant time wasting nonsense (I remember that Blyth keeper who went to York (Peter) the season we both made the playoffs, they were playing for a draw, and I threw the ball to him from the back of the Chequers End. He let it sail past inches from his hand when it was obvious to anyone he could have caugt it easily. Obviously the referee did nothing).
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I saw some analysis recently around how Premier League goalkeepers have adapted to VAR by learning to keep one of their legs trailed back.
Was quite interesting to watch on the replays.
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This is different. Really good view of the sending off at about 6:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUPh3tLQock
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Pretty poor challenge really. I can think of a few others in the squad who wouldn't have needed to play the man.
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Pretty poor challenge really. I can think of a few others in the squad who wouldn't have needed to play the man.
he took the man, for me no feet raised, certainly a yellow, harsh red. The penalty can't tell from that video, on conference highlights it looked like a penalty.
Overall we created enough to have scored, we need to be more clinical with better quality finishing and getting shot away sooner
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First time I've seen it - certainly a cynical tackle, stonewaller of a yellow, but not dangerous in my eyes and certainly not a red.
Not enough in it to be overturned though, I wouldn't bother appealing as you usually need a watertight case in these sorts of things.
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Dunno why Parky is clinging onto excuses here, both decisions could have gone either way, think it's a stretch to say both of them are definite errors from the ref
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This is different. Really good view of the sending off at about 6:45.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUPh3tLQock
I really like the way that has been put together. I wouldn't want to lose our very polished and well produced Alty TV highlights but that rough around the edges, almost-vlog like approach is great at placing you into the event. It would work well as an 'alternative highlights' package style for us.
Good watch.
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Quality HD viewing too. Must be expensive kit they are using to get up close.
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Personally think it's all irrelevant about whether it was a pen or not or whether it was a red card or not... main issue (like last season) is actually putting the ball in the net...
We should have been out of sight by time of pen with all the chances we created... we could easily have been 3or4 up by time of pen... various people missed chances, but Dinanga had by far the most & on another day could have had a hattrick...
Finding someone who can finish all the chances we create is our main problem area... we can debate whether we persist with Dinanga or give Peers or Leitch-Smith or someone else a chance up top, but this still needs resolving...
It was a frustrating afternoon all round, compounded by the loss of young Connor Kirby to serious injury...
One final thought - really impressed by how welcoming Wealdstone were as a club & by their fans plus all the fundraising they have done for Connor since is amazing!
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Finding someone who can finish all the chances we create is our main problem
How many times must this be said?
I can't believe the management can't see the problem when all the fans can.
I can only think there must be a lot going on behind the scenes, up to now, unproductively.
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Our red card appeal has been rejected, see main site
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Our red card appeal has been rejected, see main site
Staggered.
3 game ban. Is that because we appealed it or the viewed seriousness of the foul?
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Our red card appeal has been rejected, see main site
Staggered.
3 game ban. Is that because we appealed it or the viewed seriousness of the foul?
It was not a dangerous tackle, he was in control and he was not the last man: that is not a red card!
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Finding someone who can finish all the chances we create is our main problem
How many times must this be said?
I can't believe the management can't see the problem when all the fans can.
I can only think there must be a lot going on behind the scenes, up to now, unproductively.
Problem is I think they can. We've been very lucky over the years with Little then Reeves then Hulme (to a lesser extent) Little and Reeves especially were top strikers for us and probably could've walked into a lot of conference sides. I think it is a case of having to take a chance on a striker and see if they "come good" as any national league level established 20 goal a season striker isn't realistically going to join Altrincham unfortunately.
So, we're left with a loan option, finding a player at a lower level who's scoring regularly and hoping he makes the step up or finding a player that's dropped out of professional football and taking a chance on them.
Dinanga might still be that player. He looks sharp, makes all the right runs into space and can hold up the ball better than some I've seen us sign but his end product hasn't been up to scratch yet. His one goal might have been an ok start but we've all seen the chances created in our first few games and he should have had more from that service in my opinion. I will say that I've seen enough to say that he deserves some more time but we really need to start putting chances away now or we'll start to make things difficult for ourselves again.
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It's a great post by Inter Alty. Our problem has been and I suspect will continue to be, putting the ball in the net. In my humble opinion, we still haven't got that person.
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Our red card appeal has been rejected, see main site
Staggered.
3 game ban. Is that because we appealed it or the viewed seriousness of the foul?
It was not a dangerous tackle, he was in control and he was not the last man: that is not a red card!
He took the man out very forcefully after the ball had gone. One player had already been carted off to hospital with a broken leg. He's got a few weeks off now to reflect on his actions.
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Let’s not forget that it took Jordan Hulme five games to get his first goal for Alty. He started life as a Robin with 1 in 7.
Parky said he wanted to create an environment for Marcus Dinanga where he feels like the main man, as he did with Hulme, as it’s what some strikers need to find their confidence and swagger.
You don’t do that by dropping him after four games, especially as he’s largely been in the right places and contributed well to games overall.
Give him time, and trust that the management are well positioned to make the switch for Leitch-Smith if they feel Dinanga is costing us points.
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Don't think Dinanga spent the majority of pre-season in Ibiza
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I was struck on Saturday by how many crosses from the byline were pulled back behind Marcus into lots of space around the penalty spot. Marcus had gambled on getting into the six yard box but that wasn’t where the ball was going, but he was creating a lot of space but without Hancock we didn’t have a natural no 10 using that space.
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I was struck on Saturday by how many crosses from the byline were pulled back behind Marcus into lots of space around the penalty spot. Marcus had gambled on getting into the six yard box but that wasn’t where the ball was going, but he was creating a lot of space but without Hancock we didn’t have a natural no 10 using that space.
Perhaps with Hancock in the team, it will benefit Dinanga and Hanks?
I hope so.
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Finding someone who can finish all the chances we create is our main problem
How many times must this be said?
I can't believe the management can't see the problem when all the fans can.
I can only think there must be a lot going on behind the scenes, up to now, unproductively.
Problem is I think they can. We've been very lucky over the years with Little then Reeves then Hulme (to a lesser extent) Little and Reeves especially were top strikers for us and probably could've walked into a lot of conference sides. I think it is a case of having to take a chance on a striker and see if they "come good" as any national league level established 20 goal a season striker isn't realistically going to join Altrincham unfortunately.
So, we're left with a loan option, finding a player at a lower level who's scoring regularly and hoping he makes the step up or finding a player that's dropped out of professional football and taking a chance on them.
Dinanga might still be that player. He looks sharp, makes all the right runs into space and can hold up the ball better than some I've seen us sign but his end product hasn't been up to scratch yet. His one goal might have been an ok start but we've all seen the chances created in our first few games and he should have had more from that service in my opinion. I will say that I've seen enough to say that he deserves some more time but we really need to start putting chances away now or we'll start to make things difficult for ourselves again.
Excellent post.
Have an imaginary Goodwin! 😉
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I was struck on Saturday by how many crosses from the byline were pulled back behind Marcus into lots of space around the penalty spot. Marcus had gambled on getting into the six yard box but that wasn’t where the ball was going, but he was creating a lot of space but without Hancock we didn’t have a natural no 10 using that space.
Majority were kosylo who was getting the byline when he was playing in the 10.
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Finding someone who can finish all the chances we create is our main problem
How many times must this be said?
I can't believe the management can't see the problem when all the fans can.
I can only think there must be a lot going on behind the scenes, up to now, unproductively.
Maybe been said before, but Chesterfield can afford to sign proven goal scorers like Asante. We can't. We just have to take a chance on players, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I'm sure it's not from want of trying. Stockport have less points per game than us and they get 3 times the crowds we do. I've said it for years, but people need to be realistic about what we can do at this level. Average crowds are higher than our crowds when we won the APL in 1979-80 (1,945, way more than Rochdale were getting towards the end of that season), and we've never come close to that level of support since. Maybe people who started watching in the 60's/70's/80's like V of D (God rest him), or in recent years have different expectations, but I personally first started getting heavily involved with the club after the debacle of 1994-95, and I am just glad we have a solvent club at NL level
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Finding someone who can finish all the chances we create is our main problem
How many times must this be said?
I can't believe the management can't see the problem when all the fans can.
I can only think there must be a lot going on behind the scenes, up to now, unproductively.
Maybe been said before, but Chesterfield can afford to sign proven goal scorers like Asante. We can't. We just have to take a chance on players, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I'm sure it's not from want of trying. Stockport have less points per game than us and they get 3 times the crowds we do. I've said it for years, but people need to be realistic about what we can do at this level. Average crowds are higher than our crowds when we won the APL in 1979-80 (1,945, way more than Rochdale were getting towards the end of that season), and we've never come close to that level of support since. Maybe people who started watching in the 60's/70's/80's like V of D (God rest him), or in recent years have different expectations, but I personally first started getting heavily involved with the club after the debacle of 1994-95, and I am just glad we have a solvent club at NL level
P.S. for what it's worth, from what I've seen, I have no argument with the sending off, and I hope he will learn from this.
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Finding someone who can finish all the chances we create is our main problem
How many times must this be said?
I can't believe the management can't see the problem when all the fans can.
I can only think there must be a lot going on behind the scenes, up to now, unproductively.
Maybe been said before, but Chesterfield can afford to sign proven goal scorers like Asante. We can't. We just have to take a chance on players, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I'm sure it's not from want of trying. Stockport have less points per game than us and they get 3 times the crowds we do. I've said it for years, but people need to be realistic about what we can do at this level. Average crowds are higher than our crowds when we won the APL in 1979-80 (1,945, way more than Rochdale were getting towards the end of that season), and we've never come close to that level of support since. Maybe people who started watching in the 60's/70's/80's like V of D (God rest him), or in recent years have different expectations, but I personally first started getting heavily involved with the club after the debacle of 1994-95, and I am just glad we have a solvent club at NL level
x3
Asante
Rowe
Tshimanga
Probably combined earn more than the bulk of our squad, too.
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All at Chesterfield? Shows what we're up against!
I'm not saying we can't do it over the next few years, but make no mistake, if we do get promotion, or even finish top 7, it's a massive achievement.
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All at Chesterfield? Shows what we're up against!
I'm not saying we can't do it over the next few years, but make no mistake, if we do get promotion, or even finish top 7, it's a massive achievement.
Yep, they also have Stefan Payne and Tom Denton on their books. Quite ridiculous really.
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I believe they were successful when they applied for a loan last season. Both Chesterfield and Stockport have to pay rent to use their grounds. That's an expense we don't have.
Our crowds were starting to improve when Covid struck.
I think the one thing that would put some players off is the infrastructure. A plan is in place to address that so hopefully we will have a ground that is as good as all the ex league teams we seem to be playing.
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Darlington are still paying rent aren't they? They could end up going down at this rate. Have they any plans to get their own ground? Is moving back to that "white elephant" stadium at all likely, or is that never going to happen now? (And by the way, what did happen to Chris Senior? :) )
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Darlington are still paying rent aren't they? They could end up going down at this rate. Have they any plans to get their own ground? Is moving back to that "white elephant" stadium at all likely, or is that never going to happen now? (And by the way, what did happen to Chris Senior? :) )
I think sadly now so much time has passed we will never know