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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Jezza on February 28, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
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Does anyone else get the distinct feeling that the last match at Weymnouth could be very significant?
I've got a feeling we will go there with either us safe and Weymouth needing a win..... or us both just needing a point to send Farsley down?
I guess if Farsley go down they'll have to do some serious maths to decide ifthey go full time on gates of 300 in the BSN as opposed to fulll time on gates of 500 in the BSP?....mayhbe the Histonm chairman can lend them his calculator?
Although Weym,outh is one of our longer trips away it says everything about my feelings about farsley that I'd rather see them go down despite being more local.
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Yeah I have been thinking this match is going to be incredibly important for a long time, could be a very tense day down on the south coast!
Would be amazing if we went down there needing something to stay up and we did though!
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As i am a droylsden fan i should prefer yous to go down (so that little well never see you again chant can come back to bight you on the ass) yet weymouth going down would be much better as it would result in only 3 northern clubs going down, us, vics and stafford and would make our promotion chances a little easier next year.
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We'll have a "farsley home crowd" travlling down to weymouth for the last day of the season.I know loads that are doing the full weekender
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Does anyone else get the distinct feeling that the last match at Weymnouth could be very significant?
I've got a feeling we will go there with either us safe and Weymouth needing a win..... or us both just needing a point to send Farsley down?
I guess if Farsley go down they'll have to do some serious maths to decide ifthey go full time on gates of 300 in the BSN as opposed to fulll time on gates of 500 in the BSP?....mayhbe the Histonm chairman can lend them his calculator?
Although Weym,outh is one of our longer trips away it says everything about my feelings about farsley that I'd rather see them go down despite being more local.
Farsley won't go full time if they get relegated. Only a complete pillock would contemplate that on their support.
I can see Farsley being the sort of team that could drop further down the non league ladder if they do get relegated.
I can appreciate what Chris_faz says bout the chant. I don't believe it will come back to bite us on the bum, but it would be very embarrassing if it did.
It would also increase the depth of the north/south divide if 4 northern clubs gt relegated (3 is bad enough). I can see the BSP coming a virtually totally southern & midlands league - making it even more expensive & difficult for any northern team to thrive.
Is there a good call to regionalise the BSP and not just those leagues below? Personally I would regionalise leagues 1 & 2 too. Discuss!
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Does anyone else get the distinct feeling that the last match at Weymnouth could be very significant?
I've got a feeling we will go there with either us safe and Weymouth needing a win..... or us both just needing a point to send Farsley down?
I guess if Farsley go down they'll have to do some serious maths to decide ifthey go full time on gates of 300 in the BSN as opposed to fulll time on gates of 500 in the BSP?....mayhbe the Histonm chairman can lend them his calculator?
Although Weym,outh is one of our longer trips away it says everything about my feelings about farsley that I'd rather see them go down despite being more local.
Farsley won't go full time if they get relegated. Only a complete pillock would contemplate that on their support.
I can see Farsley being the sort of team that could drop further down the non league ladder if they do get relegated.
I can appreciate what Chris_faz says bout the chant. I don't believe it will come back to bite us on the bum, but it would be very embarrassing if it did.
It would also increase the depth of the north/south divide if 4 northern clubs gt relegated (3 is bad enough). I can see the BSP coming a virtually totally southern & midlands league - making it even more expensive & difficult for any northern team to thrive.
Is there a good call to regionalise the BSP and not just those leagues below? Personally I would regionalise leagues 1 & 2 too. Discuss!
They used to be Div 3 north & south, but transport is (theoretically) easier now.
However, regionalising the BSP would prob mean a much stronger south division than north.
BUT, it would reduce expenses for northern clubs & their fans and reinvigorate more local rivalries.
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Does anyone else get the distinct feeling that the last match at Weymnouth could be very significant?
I've got a feeling we will go there with either us safe and Weymouth needing a win..... or us both just needing a point to send Farsley down?
I guess if Farsley go down they'll have to do some serious maths to decide ifthey go full time on gates of 300 in the BSN as opposed to fulll time on gates of 500 in the BSP?....mayhbe the Histonm chairman can lend them his calculator?
Although Weym,outh is one of our longer trips away it says everything about my feelings about farsley that I'd rather see them go down despite being more local.
Farsley won't go full time if they get relegated. Only a complete pillock would contemplate that on their support.
I can see Farsley being the sort of team that could drop further down the non league ladder if they do get relegated.
I can appreciate what Chris_faz says bout the chant. I don't believe it will come back to bite us on the bum, but it would be very embarrassing if it did.
It would also increase the depth of the north/south divide if 4 northern clubs gt relegated (3 is bad enough). I can see the BSP coming a virtually totally southern & midlands league - making it even more expensive & difficult for any northern team to thrive.
Is there a good call to regionalise the BSP and not just those leagues below? Personally I would regionalise leagues 1 & 2 too. Discuss!
How would you go about regionalising leagues 1 and 2?? The teams in those leagues are there because they are good enough to be there! I personally don't agree and think the conference should be national, it's about the best non league teams in the country, however that has become a little bit hazy with the amount of full time giants now in the league - Exeter, Torquay, Cambridge, York, Oxford, etc etc!
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It is far too sensible an idea to regionalise non league at national level. It just won't happen, which is a big, big shame.
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It is far too sensible an idea to regionalise non league at national level. It just won't happen, which is a big, big shame.
But then it wouldn't be National level would it? As you could have and probably would have one division stronger than the other! Which at the moment would be the Southern division. At the moment we are playing at the highest level of non league football we can play at, if it were to be regionalised we wouldn't be.
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Years ago we were all saying why cant the Alliance Premier league become the 5th league, why do we need to be voted into the league etc.
Now in effect it is a 5th league.
Can you really call BSN non league football anymore? Yes i know technically it is but with the fall of many previous league teams into the BSN and with two up to the 2nd division and the majority of teams being full time it has become in all intents and purposes a league 5 (or 3 if you prefer that).
I for one would not wish to regionalise it and take the glory away from being in this league.
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I disagree. We need the BSP nationalised. Look at the quality of non-league football in the north of England compared to the south. Regionalising wouldnt improve the standard. Perhaps the league need to look at balancing the divide in other ways, using the setanta money. And limit midweek travel.
Is it not a more attractive prospect to people to play in a National league?
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And limit midweek travel.
The league have started looking into this, they have so far limited the travel on boxing day and new years day and im sure midweek games will follow.
Is it not a more attractive prospect to people to play in a National league?
Hell yes!! Id rather struggle in this league than cost in bsn!! Plus its great to overlook your teams playing in a stadium like the kassam, rather than getting wet and watching a mood bath at the likes of vauxhall motors (no offence)
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I disagree. We need the BSP nationalised. Look at the quality of non-league football in the north of England compared to the south. Regionalising wouldnt improve the standard. Perhaps the league need to look at balancing the divide in other ways, using the setanta money. And limit midweek travel.
Is it not a more attractive prospect to people to play in a National league?
It's a much more attractive prospect!! We are currently in the best tier of non league football we can be in, regionalising it would mean we aren't! Lets fight to stay in this division and continue to strive to be at the best level we can compete at!
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I'm afraid we have to keep it as it is nationalised.....if northern clubs can't cut it then they don't deserve to be in the top flight.
Although in recent season we have lost northern clubs through the top end as well (accy, macc, morecambe, carlisle).
The southern drop out from the league which has unblanaced the BSP presumably means a more Northern based league one and two?....with maybe the southern clubs calling for regionalisation?
I'd be very sorry to miss playing the bloods, vics and stafford next year but wouldn't lose any sleep over losing the farsley neanderthals.
Mind you we have to stay up this year...and then next year...and the year after that so i think most Alty fans are realsitic enough to realise the never play you again song lyrics should be changed to "we'll not play for a few years until we get relegated or you get promoted"
I feel somewhat confident we have not seen the last of the alty droylsden fixtures.
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I'd be very sorry to miss playing the bloods,
Why thank you!
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Nobody is saying that Alty would be better off in BSN!!! I just think that a regionalised top non league tier would be better for the club. Teams like York, Burton, Stafford, Vics and Halifax would certainly be involved, with the possibility of Kettering, Telford, Southport, Macc, Accy and Mansfield (depending on relegations and promotions). Throw in Droylsden, Farsley, Harrogate, Hyde, Stalybridge, Barrow, Nuneaton and Tamworth. Shoot me down if you will, but I don't think that would be such a bad league in terms of quality. Travel expenses would obviously be greatly reduced and with so many local games, attendances would hopefully remain fairly high. Yes, I know rose-coloured spectacles are involved here, but I personally get more excited when Alty play Vics and Southport than Cambridge and Weymouth. The atmosphere at Droylsden was awesome because so many Alty fans were able to travel to the game and I live for those sorts of occasions. Histon away just doesn't do it for me.
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I think a better idea would be to regionalise Div2 and BSP into N and S as there are a majority of northern clubs in Div 2.
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Too true. And northern teams occupy the lower reaches of League 2 anyway, so in a couple of years time things may even up in the national league. In conclusion, I suspect the north-south imbalance in our league will be a temporary one.
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The fact of the matter is a league system is a league system based on which teams accumulate the most points over a season, if at the moment 4/5th's of the league is southern then that's just the way it is, the Conference National should be just that - The National league comprised of the 24 best non league clubs who are there on merit (and reprieves of course, ;))
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In the first season of the APL there was a very sensible fixture scheme:
Saturdays early and late in the season: home and away "far away clubs" Gravesend on the last day, Weymouth on the first day. These games would not be postponed as the weather was good (and Trophy weekends were avoided)
Mideweek games early in the season: quite near clubs: Telford United, Barrow
Saturday games in the winter: games which could be arranged for midweek at a pinch (if postponed): Nuneaton, Boston
I remember laughing at Orient fans who had back to back midweek away matches at Carlisle and Hartlepool (or similar stupidity).
"This would never happen in the APL - we're a progressive forward looking league"
And face it, even if every club was full time, the supporters would have jobs (and stuff) and therefore the APL approach mitigates to a large extent the national vs local debate.
The world was ready for a national part time league in 1979: nothing has changed (except nearly everyone is full time now) except the stupid scheduling of fixtures that makes midweek trips to Grays, Torquay etc a regular occurence.
National Conference for me!
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Let's bring back the Cheshire league, that will give plenty of local matches.
Those were my sentiments when the Isthmian people wanted to block the Conference South, and I can't help feeling regionalising would be a step backwards. (Of course rising petrol prices may force it eventually anyway, but til then...)
Remember how much better the Conference North was than the Unibond "village" league. Of course, if we could get all the best northern teams, we could have quite a strong northern division, but we probably wouldn't. And you can be sure that league clubs will be less willing to get relegated to the Conference if it is regional and they are playing the likes of Harrogate and Vauxhall on relegation. Never mind a third promotion place, we could be lucky to keep the two we've got.
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What I was proposing was a Division 2 North and Div 2 South made up of the current Div 2 plus the BSP. In other words, we (ie BSP clubs) all get "promoted", we have less travelling, and we're one league nearer the Premiership. *
PS: The last point was tongue-in-cheek!
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I know plenty of League 2 fans & they are all for having League 2 north & south which
would mean BSP teams becoming split into League 2 north & south ofcourse which
makes more sense than what we have now. Bigger crowds , less cost etc etc, better for the envionrment.
Then you have your BS north & south below that with 2 up 2 down but with some
criteria to make sure teams could survive financially.