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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: RobertONeill on September 03, 2011, 05:50:09 PM
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/altrinchamfc
or
http://www.paradox-computers.com/livevideo.htm
THE MATCH VIDEO WILL BE PLAYED ON THIS
hopefully I will be streaming the Solihull match from a Laptop on this with Radio robins playing same time:)
So we should have" LIVE MATCH VIDEO" and commentary for this great away match:)
FEEL FREE TO TRY THEM NOW
tell us if links dont work
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good idea come share your views on here
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yes aswell as live chat and video
would be nice to get a small chat that posted into the forum
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That's a great idea! But are you sure it's legal? hahaha
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not sure
The way we could do it isjust stream video from a webcam onto some free chat or ustream
It would be nice to have a paid pro user ustream account that was Official?
But this would cost monthly....
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I'd rather a few people just jumped on the coach and went to be honest (exiles excluded).
Be a shame if they have to stop.
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To be honest, I don't think this would stop people going to the match.
It would just be helpful for the people who can't get to the game in my opinion.
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Yes eventually we could have a ROBINSTV.COM with chat and radio commentary built in.
A proper good stream that actually paid for.
Yes there are people all over that cant attend i think we should have a bucket for it.
If people can make it they will go aswell same as me.
I can do the first one on USTREAM but it will just be a free account until we raise the cash.
Ive made the live video page on www.paradox-computers.com and you should be able to get it at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/7354214
hopefully
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Sorry to rain on your parade a little but have you actually checked permissions and stuff for this.
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rights for live screening of conference premier,north and southern matches currently belong to premier sports, so I think you could land yourself in trouble without double checking first
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OK but nobody has complained up to now have they!
If they hold the rights why dont they stream the match live??
As long as we keep most of the play to just our team should be ok.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/altrinchamfc
or
http://www.paradox-computers.com/livevideo.htm
I'm testing it out now
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they don't stream every match because they don't have the staff to do so and only have 1 channel so couldn't stream every match live. They've not complained yet because I doubt they are regular visitors to our forum.
For your own sake, I really wouldn't do this without talking to someone first, you could end up getting sued.
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they don't stream every match because they don't have the staff to do so and only have 1 channel so couldn't stream every match live. They've not complained yet because I doubt they are regular visitors to our forum.
For your own sake, I really wouldn't do this without talking to someone first, you could end up getting sued.
If a supporter can set a channel up, I don't see why a 'big' company can't do it
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As in a Tv channel. They wouldn't get much out of streaming it online, what with having to pay crews and whatnot.
And I just realized I sounds like I'm trying to stop a suicide bid!
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Not to mention the fact that British TV channels are not allowed to screen live british matches at 3pm on a Saturday.
Seriously pal, you don't need the legal bill...
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More importantly, do you have permission from Solihull FC?
I would be amazed if any club would allow an away team to stream a game live they are expecting spectators to pay for, especially if they are not offering the service themselves.
If you came to York and did that you would be removed from the ground immediately due to a breach of ground regulations.
As crap as non-league is, clubs do have rights you know!
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hmm ok
I guess we will have to ask Solihull Moors FC then?
Ive been making videos or recordings of the games, why does live make a difference?
Its all about being able to see your team play if you cant make it.
Everntually it would be a paid ustream with better quality, the only other thing i could do is record the match and play it striaght after it finishes but live is better.
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I suppose they think it might stop people going to games and that you would basically be taking part of their income from them.
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I have just sent this email to Solihull Moors FC.
Hi I'm Robert from T-A-S-C.com
Altrincham FC Sponsor.
We do the Radiorobins.com commentery for the matches.
We was wondering if you would allow us to record the match so we could play it back to the supporters?
If so we will bring video camera and computer to stream the match live with commentary.
Please let us know asap.
We hope its a really good game!
Regards,
Mr Robert Lee O'Neill.
(www.t-a-s-c.com)
www.paradox-computers.com
Waiting for reply................
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That's what you should have done in the first place.
If they say "yes" I'd be amazed, but you never know.
Live streaming is not the same as making a recording, but you know that surely?
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Sorry if this is a niave question but, what would happen should a club not want to appear on television? Or sell the rights to another bidder... I'm sure a company tried to buy the rights to the top 5 teams in the old first division
Or is this part of playing in the league?
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hmm ok
I guess we will have to ask Solihull Moors FC then?
Ive been making videos or recordings of the games, why does live make a difference?
Its all about being able to see your team play if you cant make it.
Everntually it would be a paid ustream with better quality, the only other thing i could do is record the match and play it striaght after it finishes but live is better.
There's a massive difference between live streams and recordings, similarly to you needing a TV licence to watch live tv (Even streamed online) but not to watch BBC Iplayer and other On Demand services.
The way I understand it, The Conference, like all leagues, owns the rights to live broadcasts, and the home side owns the rights to recordings of their home matches. The conference have sold the rights to Premier sports, and then they choose what to show. Setanta (and so i presume Premier sports) have shown Conf North/South Playoffs, so all league rights must have been sold.
Also, i'm sure Phil can correct me on this if i'm wrong, but equipment capable of streaming will be classed as Professional equipment and therefore banned from most places without specific permission. (Football stadiums, music venues etc.)
Sorry to be so negative, but you could land TASC/FC in trouble if you sayy you're representing them.
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Also, i'm sure Phil can correct me on this if i'm wrong, but equipment capable of streaming will be classed as Professional equipment and therefore banned from most places without specific permission. (Football stadiums, music venues etc.)
Absolutely correct and, in addition, anyone who wants to film, take photographs etc on a professional basis must have an official accreditation from the Conference themselves which involves filling in a very long form and waiting to be accepted, as well as permission from the club who is hosting the game, and the club the person is representing.
Otherwise what's to stop Joe Bloggs from turning up at Harrogate Town, claiming to represent Alty, getting in free, filming the game then flogging a few copies to his mates to pay for his beer money?
It may even be the case that the accreditation deadline for the 2011-2012 season has passed by now seeing as we're into September.
I come across this issue all the time, there are too many people who show a total lack of respect for doing things properly and who take the mickey by thinking that they can turn up and do whatever they want.
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Hang on, Rob, you can't just claim to be representing T-A-S-C or Radio Robins.
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Take it from me this is a no go and could land the club in serious trouble. Just for the sake of me doing a 'few photos' I have a lengthy license agreement which is signed before the start of each season, the I'm issued with a license number etc. Part of the agreement is the use of the images and the sale etc, all protected for the interests of the confference and blue square as sponsors, to start live broadcasting is most definitely out of the question. To do it even as a supporter would reflect badly on the club and they will probably be pushed to warn you or ban you from future games, it's a great idea and don't want to ruin it but I'm just being realistic with the knowledge I have, sorry!
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Hang on, Rob, you can't just claim to be representing T-A-S-C or Radio Robins.
I would have thought the TASC committee would have wanted to discuss this before it went under their banner. Radio Robins falls under their control too.
Your enthusiasm is admirable Rob and we should always encourage proactive and inventive initiatives that are for the benefit of the club and its supporters. However, we don't want the club or any individuals including yourself getting into any unnecessary trouble.
Paul
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The club always needs more people with the energy and know-how to drive new and beneficial ideas forward. Robert is obviously somebody who wants to help and he's already demonstrated that with his generous sponsorship of Radio Robins and huge enthusiasm for the club on this forum. I love it when new people come forward who are prepared to devote serious time and effort to promoting the club and people like this should be welcomed with open arms and encouraged to use their skills to maximum effect. All I would say is people need to be careful not to send emails like the one above claiming to be a representative of an organisation when they're not. That's not to say you wouldn't be welcomed onto the TASC Committee with open arms because in many ways I think you're exactly the sort of person we're looking for.
Based on some of the other posts on this thread it looks as though the live stream idea is a non-starter. However, I think the way forward is to set up an online subscription service offering match highlights and interviews with players and management for a modest fee (say £5 a month?). Over the course of a season, if we had 50 subscribers, this would raise a couple of grand and provide a useful service to the club's fans. Do you think this could be done quite easily and in a secure way? (ie. without people "hacking" it and seeing the video content without paying).
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Based on some of the other posts on this thread it looks as though the live stream idea is a non-starter. However, I think the way forward is to set up an online subscription service offering match highlights and interviews with players and management for a modest fee (say £5 a month?). Over the course of a season, if we had 50 subscribers, this would raise a couple of grand and provide a useful service to the club's fans. Do you think this could be done quite easily and in a secure way? (ie. without people "hacking" it and seeing the video content without paying).
I have a mate who is a journo, and a good one at that working for sky sports. A couple of years ago he was looking for work and we considered doing this as a sideline for free. It would take a fair bit of time but ultimately doesn't need masses to break even on a monthly basis. The effort is having a secure and trusted subscription service in place. Easier now than then.
If we could set this up now I for one would happily pay 6 or 7 quid a month for the right content.
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Thanks for the information guys!
Appreciated ;)
Should we forget about it then? ???
Just record some clips of the game while I'm there and stick em on youtube then?
I will wait for email from Solihull Moors see what they say then tackle the live issue with the appropriate authority.
This is all I can do lets just hope we can get a live stream,,,fingers crossed.
Also I will hopefully be placing the instant chat back onto the radio robins website and if we can do the live video stream that will be there also.
So eventually Radio robins will have radio, chat and video! with a paypal subscription for serious fans.
Maybe this would be like buying a ticket into the game! but not paying for the seat.
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Just to confirm:
Radio Robins.com is to be updated with better graphics and instant chat.
The Video will come a later date.
Regards,
Robert.