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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Steve from Sale on July 28, 2020, 09:15:40 PM
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Depending on Saturday's result, what positions do we need players for next season.
Think we only need 2-3 but feel we would be better with players with National experience. Possible another winger or defender?
Thoughts?
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Clearly need to replace jones. If in north cover for the two we have is probably enough if we go up I’d like an experienced centre half to at least challenge Toby if not put him back on the bench.
If we go up I think we might need a more defensively minded full back. I’m nervous that we aren’t defensively good enough there. Teams seem to be able to get round the back of us too easily. The fact that opposition full backs caused us so much trouble in both playoff games isn’t a good sign for tougher challenges next season.
We also need to somehow keep lundstram or find a player like him.
Those are the 2 or 3 I’d be focussing on
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Agree with most of the above really. I like Andy White who is a superb tackler, but watching the likes of Ferguson at York and Taylor at Chester makes you realise just how good we could be with a quality wing back. And I don't think Dens can go on forever.
A replacement for Jones is absolutely essential for to the best of my knowledge we only have 2 centre backs at the club now.
I can't see Lundstram getting into the promoted Crewe team right now, so I don't know what harm a season long loan can do to either party.
Would be nice to have a player like Ceesay back too - on his day a real handful at any level.
We're quite good to go really. The likes of Hannigan, Moult, Hancock, Hulme and Mooney are already good enough for the league above and TT has been unrecognisable this season.
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Phil and Neil. They will make sure we get who we need :D ;D
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Pretty much what Bath Alty says:
Centre half and full back and winger/forward to challenge Hulme.
HOWEVER....as opposed to areas we can add to, are there areas we can improve? In the national league, as well as Lundstram do we need another Moult to control play in front of the back 4...and are there players we can afford toi sacrifice to bring in more quality?
IF we stay in National North, I think we need very little to go to the next level, with cover for the back 4 the priority.
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a right back to cover for Dens,as good as white is i do not like it that he has to turn on the ball(being left footed) and a centre back.
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A lot, of course, depends on who comes on the market.
It sounds daft to mention it seeing as it wasn't so long ago that JJ chased the money - but it would be interesting to see if picking up Chester players could be an option (and NOT to get JJ back either!)
Full backs do cause me a bit of concern too - although Hampson has seemed like a different player again these last 2 games.
Not many feel comfortable discussing on an open forum - however is anyone willing to share who they would release?
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A lot, of course, depends on who comes on the market.
It sounds daft to mention it seeing as it wasn't so long ago that JJ chased the money - but it would be interesting to see if picking up Chester players could be an option (and NOT to get JJ back either!)
Full backs do cause me a bit of concern too - although Hampson has seemed like a different player again these last 2 games.
Not many feel comfortable discussing on an open forum - however is anyone willing to share who they would release?
Don't think Chester players are an option. Both centre backs in their mid thirties and the Chester fans themselves don't fancy their full backs!
Midfield and up front, we're much better throughout imo
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Cover/competition for keeper , right back , centre back , midfielder if lundtsrum doesn't stay next season and possibly a winger /striker with a bit of pace in Ceesay mould if not Ceesay himself .Not sure on players release probably two or three .
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If we go up:
- Replace drench 👌
- New CB 👌
- Keep Durell
- New Fullback
- Replace Harrop 👌
- Replace Richman
- New Striker
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Pretty sure Flynny mentioned during Saturday's commentary that virtually all our squad had signed on again for next season so I wouldn't anticipate many outs no matter which division we are in.
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Pretty sure Flynny mentioned during Saturday's commentary that virtually all our squad had signed on again for next season so I wouldn't anticipate many outs no matter which division we are in.
You'd imagine that if we go up, we will have a bigger sqaud and some players might wish to move on as they move down the pecking order.
It may be some (on reflection) may not want to travel 4/5 hours each way, every other weekend.
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If we go up:
- Replace Deasy
- New CB
- New Fullback
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Richman
- New Striker
If we stay in CN
- New CB
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Deasy (if unfit)
Deasy? Thought we'd already replaced him. 😉
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A lot, of course, depends on who comes on the market.
It sounds daft to mention it seeing as it wasn't so long ago that JJ chased the money - but it would be interesting to see if picking up Chester players could be an option (and NOT to get JJ back either!)
Full backs do cause me a bit of concern too - although Hampson has seemed like a different player again these last 2 games.
Not many feel comfortable discussing on an open forum - however is anyone willing to share who they would release?
Don't think Chester players are an option. Both centre backs in their mid thirties and the Chester fans themselves don't fancy their full backs!
Midfield and up front, we're much better throughout imo
Glendon would be alright as a midfield option in particular - but no idea how feasible it would be, depends on how much cutting their cloth they end up doing I suppose.
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If we go up:
- Replace Deasy
- New CB
- New Fullback
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Richman
- New Striker
If we stay in CN
- New CB
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Deasy (if unfit)
Deasy? Thought we'd already replaced him. 😉
Shows how much Drench has featured this season
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Are we at a disadvantage not knowing what league we will be next season?
Every other teams has the choice of whose available now etc
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Are we at a disadvantage not knowing what league we will be next season?
Every other teams has the choice of whose available now etc
If we lose, this sqaud did most of its North strengthening in March.
Keeping Lundstram and Durell would be key and replacing Jones.
Going up could be an issue but if we're adding, we've had three competitive games, so a lot of the preseason work may put us ahead
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If we go up:
- Replace Deasy
- New CB
- New Fullback
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Richman
- New Striker
If we stay in CN
- New CB
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Deasy (if unfit)
Deasy? Thought we'd already replaced him. 😉
Shows how much Drench has featured this season
If drench is not on a fortune, he's the ideal stand in for TT. Happy to have a club at his age at this level and a good back up if needed.
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Max Harrop. Love to see him become the player I think he could become, but that won't happen with us if we go up, that squad place is too precious. If we stay down, he has a case to stay but not surprised if he moved on.
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A lot, of course, depends on who comes on the market.
It sounds daft to mention it seeing as it wasn't so long ago that JJ chased the money - but it would be interesting to see if picking up Chester players could be an option (and NOT to get JJ back either!)
Full backs do cause me a bit of concern too - although Hampson has seemed like a different player again these last 2 games.
Not many feel comfortable discussing on an open forum - however is anyone willing to share who they would release?
Don't think Chester players are an option. Both centre backs in their mid thirties and the Chester fans themselves don't fancy their full backs!
Midfield and up front, we're much better throughout imo
Coming back on to the Chester thing, I see Matty Waters has decided to leave, which has disappointed most of their fanbase.
Caused us some real problems when he came on the other week, seems to have an absolute wand of a left foot, and only 23 - strikes me as quite a shrewd signing?
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If we go up:
- Replace Deasy
- New CB
- New Fullback
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Richman
- New Striker
If we stay in CN
- New CB
- Replace Harrop
- Replace Deasy (if unfit)
Deasy? Thought we'd already replaced him. 😉
Shows how much Drench has featured this season
If drench is not on a fortune, he's the ideal stand in for TT. Happy to have a club at his age at this level and a good back up if needed.
Drench was on. £500 a week when we signed him
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A lot, of course, depends on who comes on the market.
It sounds daft to mention it seeing as it wasn't so long ago that JJ chased the money - but it would be interesting to see if picking up Chester players could be an option (and NOT to get JJ back either!)
Full backs do cause me a bit of concern too - although Hampson has seemed like a different player again these last 2 games.
Not many feel comfortable discussing on an open forum - however is anyone willing to share who they would release?
Don't think Chester players are an option. Both centre backs in their mid thirties and the Chester fans themselves don't fancy their full backs!
Midfield and up front, we're much better throughout imo
Coming back on to the Chester thing, I see Matty Waters has decided to leave, which has disappointed most of their fanbase.
Caused us some real problems when he came on the other week, seems to have an absolute wand of a left foot, and only 23 - strikes me as quite a shrewd signing?
Would we want a chester bench player. When he came on, we would have already been shattered. Just asking the question really, i dont know anything about him.
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A lot, of course, depends on who comes on the market.
It sounds daft to mention it seeing as it wasn't so long ago that JJ chased the money - but it would be interesting to see if picking up Chester players could be an option (and NOT to get JJ back either!)
Full backs do cause me a bit of concern too - although Hampson has seemed like a different player again these last 2 games.
Not many feel comfortable discussing on an open forum - however is anyone willing to share who they would release?
Don't think Chester players are an option. Both centre backs in their mid thirties and the Chester fans themselves don't fancy their full backs!
Midfield and up front, we're much better throughout imo
Coming back on to the Chester thing, I see Matty Waters has decided to leave, which has disappointed most of their fanbase.
Caused us some real problems when he came on the other week, seems to have an absolute wand of a left foot, and only 23 - strikes me as quite a shrewd signing?
Would we want a chester bench player. When he came on, we would have already been shattered. Just asking the question really, i dont know anything about him.
It’s a fair question, but in my opinion Chester are/were blessed with the best 2 left backs in the league. Either of which could play in league above. It’s no surprise that Waters isn’t prepared to sit behind Joel Taylor for another season. I’d have him here in a heartbeat.
And don’t forget we signed Durrell from York’s bench!
Although, I’d agree with the (further) above that Hampson’s post lockdown performance in the play offs was worlds ahead of his form in the regular season this year.
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Don't think another full back is top of our shopping list
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Don't think another full back is top of our shopping list
I'm not so sure. Although Richman has covered at RB very well, is he good enough cover at the next level?
After a centre back, I think full back MIGHT be our next need!
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Centre back, quick winger and centre forward.
If we can't get Lungstrum for a seasons loan a centre mid.
Assume we'll keep Wynne on dual reg.
Would imagine Drench and Harrop will be moved on
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Most of the rebuilding/squad evolution was done already in January - which was Parkinson’s best work since he joined, and won us promotion. But we still need to replace Dench, Jones and Branson from the side that started last season. With bringing Lundstram back for longer being the obvious first choice for the midfield role.
I’d rather see a quick forward come in instead of a winger. We had one of those, until January, and we looked a much better side once it was removed.
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Thing with wanting another forward is where or when will they play? We play with one up front and that spot is already filled. We are t going to find a national league quality forward prepared to sit on the bench until Jordan gets injured or suspended. It’s a role Peers is prepared to do and I’m. It sure how much higher quality we can find that will be that patient. I’d hope Parky has his eye on a couple of potential loans that could be brought in on short notice if Jordan does face a spell out of action
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Dont forget Parky already has forwards James Hooper and young Louis Salmon from Trafford lined up to bring on and support Jordan.
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Dont forget Parky already has forwards James Hooper and young Louis Salmon from Trafford lined up to bring on and support Jordan.
Should leap at the chance of being Jordan's understudy!
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Thing with wanting another forward is where or when will they play? We play with one up front and that spot is already filled. We are t going to find a national league quality forward prepared to sit on the bench until Jordan gets injured or suspended. It’s a role Peers is prepared to do and I’m. It sure how much higher quality we can find that will be that patient. I’d hope Parky has his eye on a couple of potential loans that could be brought in on short notice if Jordan does face a spell out of action
Piggott played a lot when he was here. Can't give Jordan the luxury of a guaranteed start at a level he's never featured at.
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Thing with wanting another forward is where or when will they play? We play with one up front and that spot is already filled. We are t going to find a national league quality forward prepared to sit on the bench until Jordan gets injured or suspended. It’s a role Peers is prepared to do and I’m. It sure how much higher quality we can find that will be that patient. I’d hope Parky has his eye on a couple of potential loans that could be brought in on short notice if Jordan does face a spell out of action
Piggott played a lot when he was here. Can't give Jordan the luxury of a guaranteed start at a level he's never featured at.
I'd happily give Jordan a guaranteed start to be honest - the lad won't need incentivising - and I agree with earlier posts about having Peers in reserve isn't a bad position to be in.
IF we can get Lundstram back, then I'd suggest that - in terms of starting XI - none of the front six need changing (unless someone of real quality comes on the market of course).
I agree that it's the defence that needs the most immediate work - not just because of Jones departure, but because I do think we might lack National League quality at full back, and Tom and Dens aren't going to be with us forever either.
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I'd also like to ensure that Elliott Durrell stays put too.
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I'd also like to ensure that Elliott Durrell stays put too.
I think he will - seems to me he's bought into what we're trying to do and seems to get on well with the lads.
We've got a great dressing room haven't we - the Instagram Stories often make me laugh :D
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I'd be loathe to release anyone because they have all put in such fantastic graft in the last few years to get us back in the National.
One or two possibly are slightly short on quality - though not on heart - but I will say with confidence that Jordan Hulme will thrive at the higher level - his outstanding front man performance at Portsmouth will live long in the memory and he has developed so much as a player under Phil and Neil - he is as good a play maker as he is a striker.
One thing I remember after we went up in 2005 is that the speed and fitness levels of players in the conference were streets ahead of us, and players who had looked like world beaters when we won the play offs looked off the pace at the higher level. I don't think we will have this problem this time round going forward, but we need a back four that have the pace and the legs to live with the sides they will be up against.
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Drench:
It’s been a pleasure @altrinchamfc Good luck and thank you!!! Enjoy the National League ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️ #backwhereyoubelong https://t.co/xa7AcdOamR
Looks like he's off to pastures new.
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I'd be loathe to release anyone because they have all put in such fantastic graft in the last few years to get us back in the National.
One or two possibly are slightly short on quality - though not on heart - but I will say with confidence that Jordan Hulme will thrive at the higher level - his outstanding front man performance at Portsmouth will live long in the memory and he has developed so much as a player under Phil and Neil - he is as good a play maker as he is a striker.
One thing I remember after we went up in 2005 is that the speed and fitness levels of players in the conference were streets ahead of us, and players who had looked like world beaters when we won the play offs looked off the pace at the higher level. I don't think we will have this problem this time round going forward, but we need a back four that have the pace and the legs to live with the sides they will be up against.
This will be the most pleasing aspect to me - Heathcote's a legend round here but let's face it, the brand of football was survival and nothing else. I can understand why the big time charlies used to get so frustrated with us.
After watching the Pompey game, I'm confident we'll take our game to ANYONE - home or away - in the National League, even if we get one or two inevitable hidings in doing so.
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The biggest problem with the gung-ho approach is the damage it could do to morale if several of them come early doors. Having said that, Self confidence is something which runs right through the squad and rightly so. Let's hope we get a few good wins on the board and we can kick on!
Come on you Supers!! 😉
PS : we're going to need another couple of young, fast, hard tackling defenders though. Probably one centre back and a two footed full back.
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New defenders? Toby Mullarkey will be a bona-fide Alty legend in ten years time. Solid defending, of course, plus casually meandering the ball from defence to attack (via, perhaps, a mad foray down the right wing). I don't know how young he is, but he's not old. When he adds booting it in the net to his repertoire (which, y'can tell, he'd love to) he'll be The Man, For all seasons, hopefully...
I like to think he was named after the coolest of Alty defenders : Graham Tobin. [I know there's been many cooler Alty defenders, eg Davison/ Owens/ Crossley etc. but I can't think of any that would inspire a parents to name their child Toby].
I know a bloke called Stan Alan Mullarkey. He's a bit of a dick.
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Still think we need a second keeper of good quality, other than Tommo. Elliott Wynne is good, but we are now playing in a higher league. If Elliott proves me wrong then fine. We also still have Elliott Durrell to boost both midfield and the front line. As all the other players are under contract then we are pretty much good to go.
Phil and Neil know what they are doing so will leave it up to them.
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We need Lundstram back above all other considerations. Another right full back would be good too - SD not getting any younger.
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We need Lundstram back above all other considerations. Another right full back would be good too - SD not getting any younger.
Sutton can play full back according to various profiles I've read, but more pertinently Toby has the pace to be very useful in that position.
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Sutton's days as a full back are behind him listening to his interview and PP's comments
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Just noticed that according to the BBC, the Jones move to Barrow was a 'free transfer'. I thought we got an 'undisclosed' fee for him. Are the BBC wrong again (as usual)?
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We need Lundstram back above all other considerations. Another right full back would be good too - SD not getting any younger.
Sutton can play full back according to various profiles I've read, but more pertinently Toby has the pace to be very useful in that position.
I reckon Toby will be considered the first off the bench for either centre half or full back - assuming Sutton now starts.
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We need Lundstram back above all other considerations. Another right full back would be good too - SD not getting any younger.
Sutton can play full back according to various profiles I've read, but more pertinently Toby has the pace to be very useful in that position.
I reckon Toby will be considered the first off the bench for either centre half or full back - assuming Sutton now starts.
If Malarkey doesn't start the first league game I be staggered
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Any news on Lundstram yet? You would have thought Crewe would be pleased to see him getting regular starts in a higher division only one below where they were last year.
Unless they see him as ready to be slotted into their first team squad in Div 1?
If we could secure him for the season, it would be the final piece of our squad coming together. If we can't, we will definitely need another player to do that job.
I'm hoping that he's already signed and the club are 'teasing' us again over the week! 😉 😏🤞
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Any news on Lundstram yet? You would have thought Crewe would be pleased to see him getting regular starts in a higher division only one below where they were last year.
Unless they see him as ready to be slotted into their first team squad in Div 1?
If we could secure him for the season, it would be the final piece of our squad coming together. If we can't, we will definitely need another player to do that job.
I'm hoping that he's already signed and the club are 'teasing' us again over the week! 😉 😏🤞
Agreed we need someone similar if he doesn't come back
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Any news on Lundstram yet? You would have thought Crewe would be pleased to see him getting regular starts in a higher division only one below where they were last year.
Unless they see him as ready to be slotted into their first team squad in Div 1?
If we could secure him for the season, it would be the final piece of our squad coming together. If we can't, we will definitely need another player to do that job.
I'm hoping that he's already signed and the club are 'teasing' us again over the week! 😉 😏🤞
Definitely don't think he's already signed because he's been playing for Crewe this week in pre-season. He played at cdm in their 4-2 loss to Nantwich Town yesterday which was streamed live on youtube. I thought I'd watch it for a bit and was talking to a couple of their fans in the live chat about Josh. They were doubtful that Josh would be pushing for first team this season following their promotion and we were in agreement that he would probably be loaned out again. Just hoping they choose us (the obvious choice since he knows the lads and we play a similar style to Crewe) over a League 2 team where the standard isn't even that much different.
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Good info, AF101. Let's hope for the best then later in the week.
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He also started in a friendly against Connah's Quay the week before. Possible he will be in and around their first team squad.
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Oh well.. If there's little chance of him coming, I've faith in PP to be on the trail of a great alternative!
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Anyone else impressed for Crewe in their friendlies? They might have someone else ready to be loaned out.
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Seems like number of clubs in upper leagues have not made the number of signings that they normally would have done.
Would think there may be some later signings due to players scrambling for clubs....
Otherwise, anyone at macc worth speaking too? they may just need a guarantee of being paid every month??
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Seems like number of clubs in upper leagues have not made the number of signings that they normally would have done.
Would think there may be some later signings due to players scrambling for clubs....
Otherwise, anyone at macc worth speaking too? they may just need a guarantee of being paid every month??
I think Macc only have four players and nearly no staff so can't be too much that interests us there but you never know.
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Seems like number of clubs in upper leagues have not made the number of signings that they normally would have done.
Would think there may be some later signings due to players scrambling for clubs....
Otherwise, anyone at macc worth speaking too? they may just need a guarantee of being paid every month??
I think Macc only have four players and nearly no staff so can't be too much that interests us there but you never know.
Makes a bit of a mockery of the bookies odds, really - there's always a bit of guesswork at this stage, although I would have thought Macc would be extremely long.
Always find a squad out of somewhere though, don't they... ???
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Crewe have announced their squad numbers for the upcoming season and Lundstram has been given number 20 which makes me think they are probably considering him for the first team. Bit disappointed we couldn't loan him again but so happy for him if he does get a shot at League One because he is a very very good player. Hopefully Parky has another maestro lined up, always seems to pull it out the bag with these kind of things.
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Crewe have announced their squad numbers for the upcoming season and Lundstram has been given number 20 which makes me think they are probably considering him for the first team. Bit disappointed we couldn't loan him again but so happy for him if he does get a shot at League One because he is a very very good player. Hopefully Parky has another maestro lined up, always seems to pull it out the bag with these kind of things.
Just looking and it was the same as last year so maybe take that as pinch of salt.
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Playing in preseason against lower league opposition could just be Crewe management seeing first hand how he has progressed compared to others in the squad. I’d expect that whether they plan to loan him out or not or more likely they don’t know yet and will be watching him closely in these games