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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on April 03, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
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Everyone knows Chris's Kinnears brand of football, hopeless punts forward won't help us on Tuesday
.....................Deasey
....Leather....Holness...Havern
Sinnott..........Moult.............Griffin
....................Richman
Crowther...................Ginnelly
....................Reeves
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Agree but they are not hopeless punts because They are 4th
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Hopeless punts forward by us I meant James, not them, they're obviously quite good at it!
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I was going to say your insistence on startling match threads doesn't bring us much luck.
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We will win this 2 - 1 for a giggle
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I was going to say your insistence on startling match threads doesn't bring us much luck.
Standing off attackers when your one up in last minute at bottom of the league doesn't help either
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Deasy
Leather
Griffin
Luca
Holness
Moult
Richman
Sinnott
Lawrie
Ginnelly
Rankine
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Totally Alty to win Tuesday 3-1 followed by Bromley spanking us by the same score line reversed for Saturday.
That's how it goes, isn't it?
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Draw at best for Alty - hope I am wrong
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Let's battle until the end we have the singer's
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Deasy
Leather
Griffin
Luca
Holness
Moult
Richman
Sinnott
Lawrie
Ginnelly
Rankine
Won't score without Reeves.
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Won't score full stop.
I so want to be wrong, but the stats for both players this season, are depressing. They both miss Clee.
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1-1 draw
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Oh don't get me started on the whole Nicky Clee thing.
Some on here wouldn't have him as first name on the team sheet.
How they must've enjoyed this season....
Some even say when was he last fit? Well, before we ran him into the ground this year he made 251appearances in 6 seasons. Over 40 a season. Nowt wrong with that.
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Oh don't get me started on the whole Nicky Clee thing.
Some on here wouldn't have him as first name on the team sheet.
How they must've enjoyed this season....
Some even say when was he last fit? Well, before we ran him into the ground this year he made 251appearances in 6 seasons. Over 40 a season. Nowt wrong with that.
Most creative attacking skilled player we've had in a long time, probably since Colin Potts, and boy has it shown this season. Obviously kg barring Watmore
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In terms of doing it at this level better than Potts,though that's a bit harsh on Potts as graham didn't use Potts enough in the conference
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I'd start Walshaw
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4-0 loss, Ginnelly with four own goals.
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4-0 loss, Ginnelly with four own goals.
this
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We'll probably win.
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We'll win tonight and I predict a 3-0 scoreline.
I'm actually going to out a few quid on it too.
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We'll win tonight and I predict a 3-0 scoreline.
I'm actually going to out a few quid on it too.
and Halifax v Boredom Wood and Torquay v Chester will both be draws.
Tonight's going to be a very good night.
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1-1 draw. Torquay and Boreham Wood both win. I start planning how to get to Lowestoft.
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Play wingers with ranks and reeves up front been all too negative o positive
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1-1 draw. Torquay and Boreham Wood both win. I start planning how to get to Lowestoft.
Aye, from Cleethorpes to Lowestoft, it's a sad coastal path we're on and downhill all the way (but I will still hope against hope whilst mathematics at least proves possibility).
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Play wingers with ranks and reeves up front been all too negative o positive
id certainly play both crowther and Gino but with Reeves on his own,I'd play Moult richman and Okeefe just for numbers in midfield
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No Lawrie then, Jimmy?
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Play wingers with ranks and reeves up front been all too negative o positive
Although I'm not convinced by Tols, by and large his initial selections have been fairly close to what I'd have picked, although not a great deal of options at the minute
I know what you're saying, and we have to be positive, but 442 really doesn't suit us.
That said, what does? f**ked if I know at this stage.
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No Lawrie then, Jimmy?
Can't speak for Jim but probably feels similar as I do (although I'm not sure myself) that we've got to tighten up and stay in the game as long as possible. Bring him on second half?
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4-1-4-1 for me
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No Lawrie then, Jimmy?
no Glyn
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No Lawrie then, Jimmy?
Can't speak for Jim but probably feels similar as I do (although I'm not sure myself) that we've got to tighten up and stay in the game as long as possible. Bring him on second half?
[/quotea bit of that also I think they may aswell try Crowther and Gino together
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If ever there was a time for Crowther to put in a proper shift for a change, it's now.
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Torquay one up already. BBC has us as not started yet, are Dover late? Sorry I don't do RR hate football on the radio.
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Fax 2 up against B'wood
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1-0 Ranks
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I was looking at our season so far earlier, we've lost 9 points from goals scored after the 87th minute, 1 of them at Crabble earlier this season. Really need to concentrate for the whole 90 tonight.
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Now losing. Seems inevitable to me now. Crock of sh*te.
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As Bwood equalise at Fax.
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I can't think many pre kick off honestly thought we'd get much off these. 2 points off Kiddy, 1 point off Southport, 1 point off Guiseley, 1 point off Chester. Those are the games that will get us relegated.
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This'll be the eighth game since the start of Feb where we've scored first and failed to win. Welling, Wrexham, Lincoln, Guiseley, Barrow, Port, Kiddy and tonight. I think this will be the game that seals it.
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Back to the provinces for a season or two.
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If ever there was a time for Crowther to put in a proper shift for a change, it's now.
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If ever there was a time for Crowther to put in a proper shift for a change, it's now.
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Thought crowther actually did fairly well when he came on
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Back to the provinces for a season or two.
it will be alot longer than that
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Back to the provinces for a season or two.
it will be alot longer than that
If we plan on keeping that one dimensional, glorified coach in charge then yes.
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He just wants the lads to go out there an enjoy themselves.
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Thought we actually competed very well tonight and were undone by a very good but physical side who took their only real 2 chances second half.
I'm hearing Holness was sent off after the final whistle though which is another body blow.
Its not over until the fat lady sings.
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Thought we actually competed very well tonight and were undone by a very good but physical side who took their only real 2 chances second half.
I'm hearing Holness was sent off after the final whistle though which is another body blow.
Its not over until the fat lady sings.
She's clearing her throat.
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We had it landed on our lap to change direction with ten games to go, Foyle (here tonight) Moore, Jones etc, we didn't bother.
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First half good, second we stood off to much for the first ten, then ran out of ideas after they scored. The substitutions didn't work, made us worse if anything save for perhaps Crowther's five minutes.
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Thought we actually competed very well tonight and were undone by a very good but physical side who took their only real 2 chances second half.
I'm hearing Holness was sent off after the final whistle though which is another body blow.
Its not over until the fat lady sings.
Tonight's match wasn't the problem. Actually thought we did quite well, especially in the first half but Dover were a different side after the break and showed why they are a playoff side.
I fear the damage may have already been done against southport, kiddermimster etc
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The damage was done when we had a clear break point as a club to make a change to stay up but decided not too
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Fist half we were the better team, but needed an extra goal.
Second half we did not start well and they stepped it up. But again we allowed ourselves to be bullied into submission, Deasy should have allowed for treatment to diffuse the pressure when injured. Havern f*cked up for the second and were punished.
Still hoping for a miracle.
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Thought we actually competed very well tonight and were undone by a very good but physical side who took their only real 2 chances second half.
I'm hearing Holness was sent off after the final whistle though which is another body blow.
Its not over until the fat lady sings.
I agree whilst there is still hope we must continue to believe and I will be coming up for Bromley on Saturday. However, if you look at the pattern since appointing Tolson we have taken the lead in many of the games but been unable to make it count for 3 points every single time (the woeful Aldershot aside). This suggests that someone with a bit more managerial nous and experience may have made a difference but we will never know now. The Chairman has rightly bought himself a lot of good will with all he has done for the club but with this appointment which appears to have been made for sentimental rather than footballing reasons he has unfortunately used a lot of that up. If a side as average as Dover are in the top 5 this tells you all you need to know about the standard of the league and how badly we have done this season.
I'm afraid for us it's back down to the Conf North and a tough year of rebuilding and consolidation ahead. At least a lot of local derbies should hopefully maintain home support levels and keep people's interest up.
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Competed well in the first half but we we dropped far too deep in the second and it was inevitable they would score 2. They had the character and leadership that we lack. In fairness to Tolson and Buzz they did tell the players to be brave and push further up at the start of the second half but the message seemed to get lost. Say it all the time but we have no leaders. Players that are going to ensure that message is adhered to. We tried tonight but the difference between the two teams was that they started the second half like a team that wouldn't be denied the win. They simply had lads that were stronger in body and mind.
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We did play well tonight against an efficient, physical side (we could have done with their number 6) - there was certainly no lack of effort. Scott was awesome, as was Luca. Ranks did very well too, ploughing a lone furrow throughout.
Our opponents deserve to be where they are, but I'm not surprised the people of Dover aren't interested in that brand of football - I wouldn't be either.
Mr. Coy is just terrible.
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I'm finished for this season. I won't be renewing my season ticket either. That doesn't mean I won't be at some games, but there'll need to be a vast improvement before I re-engage.
We need to decide a lot of things pretty damn quick. Are we happy to let Tolson loose with basically the same squad in Conference North ? Do want our nice passing game and mediocrity ? Or do we build a new more physical squad that can battle us back up ?
"There Are More Questions Than Answers".
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I'm finished for this season. I won't be renewing my season ticket either. That doesn't mean I won't be at some games, but there'll need to be a vast improvement before I re-engage.
We need to decide a lot of things pretty damn quick. Are we happy to let Tolson loose with basically the same squad in Conference North ? Do want our nice passing game and mediocrity ? Or do we build a new more physical squad that can battle us back up ?
"There Are More Questions Than Answers".
I think what some of the players don't realise is they're playing for their place in the squad next season. If we go down there are only a handful of the current starting XI I'd want here, at this rate.
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Can't we abort the season, like in Championship Manager on the PC, and go back to a saved game back to the start of December. Then we could a few things differently to improve our position.
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As others have said earlier in this thread, losing tonight to a decent (top six) side is not the problem. The players worked very hard tonight and there was no lack of passion or effort from the players and I would not single any individual out within the team tonight.
What there is though is a lack of overall quality as a team - reflected by our league position - as others have said, failing to beat Torquay, Kiddy, Southport, Halifax and Guiseley at home is the real problem - especially when most of them were crap at the time we played them
I have posted before that the real problem in my view was the poor summer recruitment of players meaning the best starting 11 is still almost the team that won the Conf North Playoff final. The team has not improved to reflect our upgraded league status. Add the horrendous bad luck with injuries this season and the fact we did very little about replacing injured players (for which we may not have had the finances to do so) until it was too late and that tells us the story
Can still be done - but looking more and more unlikely.................3 points Saturday is a start
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Two words total rubbish Philips is that bad he couldn't get in the Gateshead team and a couple of player will leave whether they want them to stay or not and the legend will probably be one aswell
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Our summer recruitment was not great, Ranks and Deasy excepted. The injuries have been horrible in the sense that two of them were the worst ones we could have had. We've played half the season with nothing on the bench whatsoever and while we did so, our immediate rivals were busy bringing reinforcements in. Added to that, our rat of a manager deserted the sinking ship he had built and (from what I've heard) one or two of the senior players have thrown enormous strops. Finally, the chairman unfortunately failed to act decisively when he really needed to most.
Conference National has now practically gone I'm afraid. Next season could be okay if we're able to keep most of the starting line up from tonight and get our injured quartet back.
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I'm finished for this season. I won't be renewing my season ticket either. That doesn't mean I won't be at some games, but there'll need to be a vast improvement before I re-engage.
We need to decide a lot of things pretty damn quick. Are we happy to let Tolson loose with basically the same squad in Conference North ? Do want our nice passing game and mediocrity ? Or do we build a new more physical squad that can battle us back up ?
"There Are More Questions Than Answers".
not sure we have had a passing game this season
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We fact as haven't played a passing game all seson if the reason why we're in the sh*t.
The reason(s) we have changed out style of play is baffling
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This scenario was all very predictable. We never got over pathetic recruitment in the summer, Deasy, superb and player of the season for me, rankine double figure goal tally enough said, the rest absolutely bloody woeful. Having calmed down ever so slightly since last night,I will be in attendance on Saturday and at Torquay. But it's going to take a miracle now in my opinion. The manager got out to not blot his copybook and we are left with this situation. We needed to show intent after Sinnott went, and didn't, simple as that. I've no problem losing to Dover they were everything we should strive to be, football is a results business. We've won 11 matches since this time last year, not acceptable. A firefighter should have been approached/appointed when Sinnott went, but we sat on our hands. I can't believe a couple of senior players have stropped, it doesn't sound like our squad but if they have they should be gone in the summer if they want to stay or not.
Should we stay up or go down I'd keep about three of them, they are so well looked after here it's about time they were told Theyve 5 games to save their conference careers. I'd also bring another manager in today if possible, you've got people sat at home that might just get a reaction in these five games, time to be bold
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Living down south means I've been to a handful of games this season, but every time I've been (with exception of Fax/Port over Easter) I came away telling myself, and mates that came, that we'd be ok. Tranmere at home, Bromley away, Borehamwood away, Welling away, Lincoln at home. After the last four of those games, my reaction was always that if we just win two or three of our next five or six then we'll pull away. But we've had no consistency at all (again). This has to come back to recruitment and injuries - totally agree with others who have said Ranks and Deasy have impressed, but we made mistakes with other players, and it has cost us. Obviously injuries played their part, but we played for too long with no viable substitutes.
There is also the fact that we're just not good enough, especially defensively. Too many mistakes at important times, and similarly shoddy finishing. And when we play with two centre mids, we just gift chance after chance to teams from 25-18 yards out. The idea that this is fine, it'll take a worldie to beat a keeper from there, is a nonsense - combined with defensive mistakes, it means we give far too many chances away, and failing to take our own means we deserve to be in the drop zone. The tactical ineptitude at the Shay summed this season up. Going off the games I have seen, Lawrie is the player I would have replaced with a third centre mid, but then others have said Lawrie has played well at times, so what do I know.
TLDR - we deserve to be where we are due to poor transfer dealings and being too open in midfield.
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We are not organised or clever enough...when we are 1-0 up we need to be frustrating the opposition by breaking up play...niggling the opposition out of their initiative with a bit of gamesmanship...we actually miss kyle for this...
I think we have the players to have got out of this...we have seriously lacked a bit of nouse....
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The biggest loss is Densmore pehaps are main loan target should've been a right back,who knows
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The biggest loss is Densmore pehaps are main loan target should've been a right back,who knows
Jordan Sinnott has been okay at right back and has filled in well enough. The biggest loss was what Anthony Griffith had the potential to be. Criminal that we never found a like-for-like replacement.
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My thoughts exactly. We needed to be bold when Lee Sinnott left but we didn't and were told we are a friendly, family club that look after people. A noble aim and all that but it's results that count and carrying on pretty much the same as Sinnott would have done is not doing us any favours. I really hope to hear a very bold statement in the coming days but I totally suspect I won't and it will be business as usual and we will go down.
This scenario was all very predictable. We never got over pathetic recruitment in the summer, Deasy, superb and player of the season for me, rankine double figure goal tally enough said, the rest absolutely bloody woeful. Having calmed down ever so slightly since last night,I will be in attendance on Saturday and at Torquay. But it's going to take a miracle now in my opinion. The manager got out to not blot his copybook and we are left with this situation. We needed to show intent after Sinnott went, and didn't, simple as that. I've no problem losing to Dover they were everything we should strive to be, football is a results business. We've won 11 matches since this time last year, not acceptable. A firefighter should have been approached/appointed when Sinnott went, but we sat on our hands. I can't believe a couple of senior players have stropped, it doesn't sound like our squad but if they have they should be gone in the summer if they want to stay or not.
Should we stay up or go down I'd keep about three of them, they are so well looked after here it's about time they were told Theyve 5 games to save their conference careers. I'd also bring another manager in today if possible, you've got people sat at home that might just get a reaction in these five games, time to be bold
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My thoughts exactly. We needed to be bold when Lee Sinnott left but we didn't and were told we are a friendly, family club that look after people. A noble aim and all that but it's results that count and carrying on pretty much the same as Sinnott would have done is not doing us any favours. I really hope to hear a very bold statement in the coming days but I totally suspect I won't and it will be business as usual and we will go down.
This scenario was all very predictable. We never got over pathetic recruitment in the summer, Deasy, superb and player of the season for me, rankine double figure goal tally enough said, the rest absolutely bloody woeful. Having calmed down ever so slightly since last night,I will be in attendance on Saturday and at Torquay. But it's going to take a miracle now in my opinion. The manager got out to not blot his copybook and we are left with this situation. We needed to show intent after Sinnott went, and didn't, simple as that. I've no problem losing to Dover they were everything we should strive to be, football is a results business. We've won 11 matches since this time last year, not acceptable. A firefighter should have been approached/appointed when Sinnott went, but we sat on our hands. I can't believe a couple of senior players have stropped, it doesn't sound like our squad but if they have they should be gone in the summer if they want to stay or not.
Should we stay up or go down I'd keep about three of them, they are so well looked after here it's about time they were told Theyve 5 games to save their conference careers. I'd also bring another manager in today if possible, you've got people sat at home that might just get a reaction in these five games, time to be bold
brilliant posts it's still not to late to make a significant change and statement of intent
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The biggest loss is Densmore pehaps are main loan target should've been a right back,who knows
Jordan Sinnott has been okay at right back and has filled in well enough. The biggest loss was what Anthony Griffith had the potential to be. Criminal that we never found a like-for-like replacement.
Not really. Griffith never had the potential to do anything but run around, because even his greatest supporters told us how bad he was at passing, so O'Keefe has largely filled that when selected.
Or at least Jordan Sinnott could but was drafted in to right back.
We've never found a like for like replacement for Cavanagh (or even Williams actually).
I'd also contend that the injuries to Densmore and Clee deprived us of the two players who have most character and heart in the squad.
The diagnosis and treatment (edit: management might be a better word here) of said injuries wasn't up to standard either I'm afraid. Or it appears.
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The biggest loss is Densmore pehaps are main loan target should've been a right back,who knows
Jordan Sinnott has been okay at right back and has filled in well enough. The biggest loss was what Anthony Griffith had the potential to be. Criminal that we never found a like-for-like replacement.
Not really. Griffith never had the potential to do anything but run around, because even his greatest supporters told us how bad he was at passing, so O'Keefe has largely filled that when selected.
Or at least Jordan Sinnott could but was drafted in to right back.
We've never found a like for like replacement for Cavanagh (or even Williams actually).
I'd also contend that the injuries to Densmore and Clee deprived us of the two players who have most character and heart in the squad.
The diagnosis and treatment (edit: management might be a better word here) of said injuries wasn't up to standard either I'm afraid. Or it appears.
Yeah that's true, to be fair.
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Good point made by Jezza about Kyle and his professionalism and i was thinking just the same thing myself last night. He was a bloody awful footballer, but I'd like to have seen Raggett try and rugby tackle him.
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Good point made by Jezza about Kyle and his professionalism and i was thinking just the same thing myself last night. He was a bloody awful footballer, but I'd like to have seen Raggett try and rugby tackle him.
12 goals in 38 appearances and helped us get promoted .. awful ? Better than half the sh*t we have now
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To be fair rankine is a upgraded version of Perry and has done better so I don't think that is the problem
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To be fair rankine is a upgraded version of Perry and has done better so I don't think that is the problem
agreed I think the point I was trying to make was to call perry awful is disrespectful
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Come on Wayno. Two things mate: Firstly, I'm pretty sure Kyle doesn't read Alty forum posts, so I don't think he'll be that disrespected! Secondly, I was one of his biggest supporters when he was with us and he REALLY wasn't the best footballer in the World. The real point I was making was in support of what Jezza said, that we could have done with Kyle's professionalism (and brute strength) against those Dover lads. Of course Ranks is a better player.
Having said that though, I'd have kept Kyle on over some of our players...cough...Crowther...cough