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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on September 24, 2009, 11:14:07 AM
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Looks like the HMRC have finally run out of patience with football clubs:
http://www.hydeunited.com/league/News/board230909.html
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See the Accrington post. I count Hyde United as rivals of many year's standing, and I am truly saddened by their demise.
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Shame to see Hyde go...i would be very worried if i was a Vics fan ....looks like HMRC have got out the big stick and they arent afraid to use it
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I really would be saddened if this was the case - Hyde are a proper non league club. In the last two seasons of the Cheshire League when we were dominant we went to Hyde late in the season: in 66/7 we got stuffed 5-1 but still held on to win he title and in 67/8 we got beaten 6-2, lost 4 of our last 7 games and ended up second to Macc.
I only saw Alty at Ewen Fields twice - the first was in an NWFL match the Tuesday after the Leatherhead game - we got beat 1-0. I had been to the ground four times previously that season only for the game to be postponed. The second time was in the NPL Cup in 2003 - we won 1-0, Stuart Coburn made his second debut for the club and Niell Hardy scored a late winner in the second match of his second spell late in the game when the keeper fell over after a tame back pass / throw in from his own player. I viewed that match as a true turning point with the return of Stuart and our long march back from Unibond oblivion to the spotlight of the Conference began that night.
Hyde United - a proper non league club
(I know this is macabre but are there any players we might want to rescue from oblivion)
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Lots of clubs names get mentioned on here related to their financial woes, but I never saw much mentioned about Hyde. What happened here?
Its a shame. They were one of the brighter away prospects in the unibond years. I always counted them as one of the big clubs in that league.
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Sounds ominous for them.
Does anyone else remember watching Alty playing in an FA Trophy tie on the artificial pitch at Hyde back in December 1987?
Tommy Docherty was still Alty's manager at that stage and I seem to recall that a late penalty by Mike Farrelly rather unjustly allowed us to escape with 1-0 victory.
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I think they went for broke a couple of years ago with money from a steel bloke from Sheffield?
Then he pulled out leaving them with contracts and bills...i think.
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(I know this is macabre but are there any players we might want to rescue from oblivion)
The nomadic and portly figure of David McNiven is there, I believe.
Didn't he once turn down a move to Moss Lane?
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that bloke on gmr has been constantly wondering why hyde's attendances have been so poor in recent years.
this will be really sad if hyde go, a nice little club, proper non league ground with a good atmosphere.
when you look at the dodgy dealings of some clubs and think this is hyde's first offence....very harsh...is it because HMRC think no-one will care if hyde go?
best of luck hyde in rebuilding if you do go.
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(I know this is macabre but are there any players we might want to rescue from oblivion)
The nomadic and portly figure of David McNiven is there, I believe.
Didn't he once turn down a move to Moss Lane?
that would make me laugh a strike force made up of Aaron Burns and David McNiven. I would worry for your future.....
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Sounds ominous for them.
Does anyone else remember watching Alty playing in an FA Trophy tie on the artificial pitch at Hyde back in December 1987?
Tommy Docherty was still Alty's manager at that stage and I seem to recall that a late penalty by Mike Farrelly rather unjustly allowed us to escape with 1-0 victory.
I remember that game very well - the penalty was won by ex-Hyde man John Timmons, I believe, which rubbed salt in the wounds. I was sat in the main stand in amongst the Hyde fans and I actually felt pretty sheepish at the end of the game, such had been Hyde's dominance (though some of that of course was down to them being more used to their peculiar playing surface than we were).
This is very sad news but if it's a sign that HMRC is going to take a harder line with football clubs who don't pay their tax bills (I'm presuming that's what's happened here), that's a welcome development.
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Very sad indeed.
It amazes me that Hyde have gone so quick whilst the likes of Northwich and Accrington seem to keep worming their way out of it.
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i had fond memories of Hyde United from our Cheshire League days.Such a shame to see them going bust,when other teams get away with it
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Sounds ominous for them.
Does anyone else remember watching Alty playing in an FA Trophy tie on the artificial pitch at Hyde back in December 1987?
Tommy Docherty was still Alty's manager at that stage and I seem to recall that a late penalty by Mike Farrelly rather unjustly allowed us to escape with 1-0 victory.
I don't quite remember that one (although I was probably there). My main memory of the plastic pitch at Ewan Fields is that we played there in the red and black chequered kit in an FA Trophy/GMAC Cup tie in 1898 ish. Think we won 5-4 or something daft, there was a helluva lot off goals anyway?
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FA Trophy/GMAC Cup tie in 1898 ish.
You have one hell of a memory to go that far back ;)
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I think they went for broke a couple of years ago with money from a steel bloke from Sheffield?
Then he pulled out leaving them with contracts and bills...i think.
Iron Man, Metal Mickey....?
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I think they went for broke a couple of years ago with money from a steel bloke from Sheffield?
Then he pulled out leaving them with contracts and bills...i think.
Around the time they signed Steve Bushell and Bandy?
Was it not the chap who used to own Laver (don't know what they do but used to sponsor Sheff Utd)?
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1898 was that the year we got knocked out of the cup by Corinthian Casuals . i was looking forward to the trip to the oval as well
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never did like hyde & that horrible plastic pitch they used to have.
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Sounds ominous for them.
Does anyone else remember watching Alty playing in an FA Trophy tie on the artificial pitch at Hyde back in December 1987?
Tommy Docherty was still Alty's manager at that stage and I seem to recall that a late penalty by Mike Farrelly rather unjustly allowed us to escape with 1-0 victory.
I don't quite remember that one (although I was probably there). My main memory of the plastic pitch at Ewan Fields is that we played there in the red and black chequered kit in an FA Trophy/GMAC Cup tie in 1898 ish. Think we won 5-4 or something daft, there was a helluva lot off goals anyway?
Ballers,
I suspect that the match you mention is this one:
16th March 1987
Cheshire Senior Cup Semi-Final Second Leg
Hyde United...4 Altrincham...4
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Shame for Hyde always enjoyed the game there, although the plastic pitch years and no off-side from a free kick rule (just one season I think) made for comical football ;D . I guess the Vics don't know wether to laugh or cry :P Vat man's going to get you !!
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Sounds ominous for them.
Does anyone else remember watching Alty playing in an FA Trophy tie on the artificial pitch at Hyde back in December 1987?
Tommy Docherty was still Alty's manager at that stage and I seem to recall that a late penalty by Mike Farrelly rather unjustly allowed us to escape with 1-0 victory.
Daylight robbery that was......the Saturday before Christmas if I remember correctly.
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My first Alty away game was at Hyde in the North West Floodlit League on January 1st 1973. We won 2-1 with Andy Windsor scoring both of our goals.I am guessing that this is the only time that we have played a night game on New Year's Day.
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It should not be forgotten that, way before we acquired Dale and Nicky from them, Hyde United provided two of our true legends - Freddie Pye, and Jeff Johnson.
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I seem to recall an away midweek league match at Hyde when SCOTTIE scored 2 goals. Cannot remember when or the final score.
Cult,
Can you enlighten us?
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I seem to recall an away midweek league match at Hyde when SCOTTIE scored 2 goals. Cannot remember when or the final score.
Cult,
Can you enlighten us?
VofD,
For a man of advanced years, your memory does you proud:
Monday, 16th October 2000
Unibond League
Hyde United...4 Altrincham...2
Gary Scott did indeed score both of Alty's goals on an extremely rainy night at Ewen Fields.
That legendary duffer, James "Der Kaiser" Glendenning was sent off for Mark Ward's team early in the game, as I recall, for aiming abusive language at a linesman!
Peter Band played for Hyde and also received a red card.
A miserable evening.
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I seem to recall an away midweek league match at Hyde when SCOTTIE scored 2 goals. Cannot remember when or the final score.
Cult,
Can you enlighten us?
VofD,
For a man of advanced years, your memory does you proud:
Monday, 16th October 2000
Unibond League
Hyde United...4 Altrincham...2
Gary Scott did indeed score both of Alty's goals on an extremely rainy night at Ewen Fields.
That legendary duffer, James "Der Kaiser" Glendenning was sent off for Mark Ward's team early in the game, as I recall, for aiming abusive language at a linesman!
Peter Band played for Hyde and also received a red card.
A miserable evening.
Did Band get banned ?
Sorry it's Friday and I have just stopped laughing at the "Don't call me Shirley" post from Daycare Dan
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I seem to remember our big money season in the Unibond when the ball deflected off Bombers knee for a valuable and very hard earned 1-0 win.
Perhaps the cult can supply other details such as crowd, price of the burger and floodlight wattage.
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Sounds ominous for them.
Does anyone else remember watching Alty playing in an FA Trophy tie on the artificial pitch at Hyde back in December 1987?
Tommy Docherty was still Alty's manager at that stage and I seem to recall that a late penalty by Mike Farrelly rather unjustly allowed us to escape with 1-0 victory.
I don't quite remember that one (although I was probably there). My main memory of the plastic pitch at Ewan Fields is that we played there in the red and black chequered kit in an FA Trophy/GMAC Cup tie in 1898 ish. Think we won 5-4 or something daft, there was a helluva lot off goals anyway?
Ballers,
I suspect that the match you mention is this one:
16th March 1987
Cheshire Senior Cup Semi-Final Second Leg
Hyde United...4 Altrincham...4
Yes, i remember the 4 all game. 2 nil down after 15 mins.
We scored in the last minute of extra time as everyone was leaving to win on away goals. 1 - 1 at home in the 1st leg i think.
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I have the following NPL away games with Hyde:
1968/9 lost 0-2
1969/70 lost 1-2 don't know scorer or crowd
1997/8 won 1-0 Sharratt 989
1998/9 won 1-0 Power 964
2000/01 lost 2-4 Scott 2 674
2001/02 lost 2-3 Strange, Murphy 437
2002/03 won 2-0 Robertson, Band
And do not forget the 1989/90 CSC Semi Final where we beat them 2-1 and were then thrown out of the competition for playing TWO ineligible player!
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I have the following NPL away games with Hyde:
1968/9 lost 0-2
1969/70 lost 1-2 don't know scorer or crowd
1997/8 won 1-0 Sharratt 989
1998/9 won 1-0 Power 964
2000/01 lost 2-4 Scott 2 674
2001/02 lost 2-3 Strange, Murphy 437
2002/03 won 2-0 Robertson, Band
And do not forget the 1989/90 CSC Semi Final where we beat them 2-1 and were then thrown out of the competition for playing TWO ineligible player!
I was 14 then when we were thrown out..I can remember being gutted!
One of the players was Martin Lewis..who was the other?
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I have the following NPL away games with Hyde:
1968/9 lost 0-2
1969/70 lost 1-2 don't know scorer or crowd
1997/8 won 1-0 Sharratt 989
1998/9 won 1-0 Power 964
2000/01 lost 2-4 Scott 2 674
2001/02 lost 2-3 Strange, Murphy 437
2002/03 won 2-0 Robertson, Band
And do not forget the 1989/90 CSC Semi Final where we beat them 2-1 and were then thrown out of the competition for playing TWO ineligible player!
I was 14 then when we were thrown out..I can remember being gutted!
One of the players was Martin Lewis..who was the other?
Ricky Greenhough?
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It should not be forgotten that, way before we acquired Dale and Nicky from them, Hyde United provided two of our true legends - Freddie Pye, and Jeff Johnson.
I remember Freddie Pye well. He was manager when I was club mascot back in the early 60s
Happy days ;) ;D
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Martin 'my mum fancies you' Lewis and Ricky Greenhough were the two ineligible players in the Cheshire cup tie.
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It should not be forgotten that, way before we acquired Dale and Nicky from them, Hyde United provided two of our true legends - Freddie Pye, and Jeff Johnson.
They in fact provided three. Those two and Carl Hodgert Ricky Harris.
Four I suppose if you include them being the place where Colin Little first made his name. (Five with Val)
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It should not be forgotten that, way before we acquired Dale and Nicky from them, Hyde United provided two of our true legends - Freddie Pye, and Jeff Johnson.
They in fact provided three. Those two and Carl Hodgert Ricky Harris.
Four I suppose if you include them being the place where Colin Little first made his name. (Five with Val)
Ballers,
How could you overlook Andy Kilner....?
Not to mention Jeff Johnson's brother, Steve.
Or even the great Barry Howard, who began his career with Hyde United.
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Actually on the Hyde Untied site htey have a past players archive and there is some pretty illustrious names on there.
For example, in that 2-4 reverse that Scotty bagged 2 in, one of Hyde's goals was by an ex team mate of mine Lee WIlkinson but his strike partner that night was.....?
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Actually on the Hyde Untied site htey have a past players archive and there is some pretty illustrious names on there.
For example, in that 2-4 reverse that Scotty bagged 2 in, one of Hyde's goals was by an ex team mate of mine Lee WIlkinson but his strike partner that night was.....?
Jody Banim, I believe?
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Well, actually I'm not sure if Jody Banim played but Wilky's strike partner that night was Rob Hulse. on loan from Crewe Alex and latterly of West Brom and Derby.
If you put the earlier version of Little, Yeo and Banim in with Hulse and co there are a fair few decent footballers who have passed through Ewan Fields!!
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Well, actually I'm not sure if Jody Banim played but Wilky's strike partner that night was Rob Hulse. on loan from Crewe Alex and latterly of West Brom and Derby.
Ballers,
I think that you are hallucinating re. Rob Hulse playing on that night!
http://www.lusa.u-net.com/hydealty.htm (http://www.lusa.u-net.com/hydealty.htm)
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Well, actually I'm not sure if Jody Banim played but Wilky's strike partner that night was Rob Hulse. on loan from Crewe Alex and latterly of West Brom and Derby.
Ballers,
I think that you are hallucinating re. Rob Hulse playing on that night!
http://www.lusa.u-net.com/hydealty.htm (http://www.lusa.u-net.com/hydealty.htm)
Indeed, Rob Hulse was at Hyde the season before.
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a true non league team gone they do not have silly slogans like this club will never die . i am deeply saddened about hyde united altrincham had a couple of trophy games with hyde i will have a look i am not putting anything down i do not know R.I.P HYDE UNITED i hope there reform and go into another league :'( :'( :'(
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Many good memories of our clashes ihome and away in the yesteryears.
Barry HOWARD was one of my all time favourite Alty players.
I have had many a good conversation remembering Barry with one of his ex team mates at Mossley and Ashton (big centre half Ken Wolstenholme.)
I truely wish Hyde every bit of luck in their appeal, and future existance
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I was talking to a Hyde fan on Saturday night, they had a meeting for fans etc.during Saturday afternoon when the situation was explained to everyone, they have been messed about by 'those in authority' and today is the day when they can 'appeal'. They planned to be able to have enough money on the table today to get a stay of execution. I just hope something can be sorted, it seems awful that they are being wound up when a few other clubs we could name, with far bigger debts, just seem to carry on regardless.
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According to tonights M.E.N there doing a bucket collection inside City's ground
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congrats to man city helping hyde utd that is a good sport i hope city fans dig deep in there pockets.
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Unfortunately, I forgot my wallet to the city match last night, would have happily thrown a few quid in for them, a proper club that deserves saving.
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Whats the latest?
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They made £7800 from the collection at City...I think they have the tax money now but still have to prove to the court they can continue trading solvently after that is paid..
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Unfortunately, I forgot my wallet to the city match last night, would have happily thrown a few quid in for them, a proper club that deserves saving.
Whilst I agree with the last part of that post, I wouldn't pay their unpaid taxes for them any more than I'd pay Accrington's. It was bad enough having to dig into our pockets for 6 years to pay ours!
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If they deserve saving then surely they deserve a few quid from those who have it to spare?
I dont know what to think with Hyde. Should we treat them differently to vics or stanley in our opinions, or have they just done similar things and deserve the book being thrown at them.
One thing for sure I wouldnt bother spitting in the vics bucket nevermind anything else. Anything you give them will just be wasted on their next theft from the local and footballing community. Hope the same doesnt get said for Hyde, and I do doubt that.
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I think what sets Hyde apart from Vics is the fact that they are making genuine efforts to pay off their debts without going into administration (a tried and tested ploy used to perfection by the green scum). Also, they have been given no reprieves (Northwich have received at least 2 or 3), they were wound up at the first time of asking. It seems grossly unfairthat the two clubs should be treated so differently.
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I think what sets Hyde apart from Vics is the fact that they are making genuine efforts to pay off their debts without going into administration (a tried and tested ploy used to perfection by the green scum). Also, they have been given no reprieves (Northwich have received at least 2 or 3), they were wound up at the first time of asking. It seems grossly unfairthat the two clubs should be treated so differently.
Yep, i'll agree with that. Hyde do deserve a different approach from vics et al taking that into account. Its absolutely mental the gulf between their treatment and vics. Especially considered it seems theyve been scolded for doing the right thing.
Its a crying shame that the authorities inconsistency is absolutely no suprise whatsoever.
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Hyde saved! See main site.
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HMRC will be loving this ...will encourage them to go harder on clubs i think. Pay up now or we wind you up ...clubs start panicking and raising funds left right and centre.
Unfortunate on Hyde compared to Vics but they hadnt entered administration so they were always vulnerable to this sort of action. Vics will pay the price sooner or later ...i cant see HMRC settling for 25p in the pound over 5 years or anything poxy like that.
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Well done to Hyde United and their fans
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glad to see hyde saved we 've been there ourselves so we know what its like a big well done to all concerned
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How times change!
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Money talks!
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Rather us than them. I wouldn't change the club's name, badge, kit and ground for the benefit of the bully boys up the road. Ever.
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Money talks!
Another fine example how clubs are rewarded for cheating and defaulting on paying bills.
Go this route and you can buy players you cant afford and then get promoted - Southhampton, Bournemouth, Crawley ect..
No I dont feel sorry for the fans of these clubs when it went belly up - my sympathy is with the fans of clubs that play fair. However Crawley didnt have any fans in the first place, but have now.