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Title: Duncan.
Post by: distancetraveller on February 04, 2022, 07:20:24 PM
Is on the bench for the FA Cup tonight, I hope you get some time on the pitch fella.

I wonder if he will stopover and come and watch us tomorrow..

Good luck tonight.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 04, 2022, 07:34:04 PM
Would love to see him come on and score at OT
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: altyusa on February 04, 2022, 09:36:36 PM
Just set up the Boro goal with a bit of help from his hand!
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: that man showler on February 04, 2022, 09:37:31 PM
Would love to see him come on and score at OT
Not quite got an assist though clear handball by Duncan but sure he doesn't care one bit go on Duncan go and score the winner
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 04, 2022, 09:47:19 PM
Would love to see him come on and score at OT
Not quite got an assist though clear handball by Duncan but sure he doesn't care one bit go on Duncan go and score the winner

Ref is Anthony Taylor so bet he turned a blind eye 😂😂
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: distancetraveller on February 04, 2022, 09:55:42 PM
Would love to see him come on and score at OT
Not quite got an assist though clear handball by Duncan but sure he doesn't care one bit go on Duncan go and score the winner

Ref is Anthony Taylor so bet he turned a blind eye 😂😂

They possibly could both be at Moss Lane tomorrow watching the Mighty Alty 😉
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: distancetraveller on February 04, 2022, 10:08:50 PM
Harry Maguire is one useless bastard. He couldn’t pass a blood test
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: that man showler on February 04, 2022, 10:21:25 PM
Maybe Duncan will get his goal in the penalty shoot out
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 04, 2022, 10:52:31 PM
Maybe Duncan will get his goal in the penalty shoot out

He did! 😉

Tense one... 7-7
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: distancetraveller on February 04, 2022, 10:55:30 PM
Well done Borough. Well done Duncan.

Same old same old Utd.

Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: Wilmslow Alty on February 04, 2022, 10:57:02 PM
Is on the bench for the FA Cup tonight, I hope you get some time on the pitch fella.

I wonder if he will stopover and come and watch us tomorrow..

Good luck tonight.

If he does, it'll be with a hangover  ;)
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: CRT Butty on February 04, 2022, 11:15:41 PM
Is on the bench for the FA Cup tonight, I hope you get some time on the pitch fella.

I wonder if he will stopover and come and watch us tomorrow..

Good luck tonight.

If he does, it'll be with a hangover  ;)

He can get a lift with Anthony.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: Hugh on February 04, 2022, 11:36:21 PM
Maybe Phil Taylor (or Anthony Taylor for that matter!) can explain this one, but as I understand it (and he said after the game it was accidental), as it was accidental handball and he passed to someone else, the goal stood, but if he had scored himself, it would have been disallowed, whether or not it was accidental. Is this correct?

There's been some daft interpretations of the rules over the years, but if that is the case, I reckon that's one of the worse ones, totally arbitrary.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: Ian Harwood (Hale Alty) on February 05, 2022, 10:00:53 AM
it is a daft rule. it's football not netball. i dont care whether its accidental or not. if you gain the advantage after the ball hits your hand then its handball. if it hadn't hit his hand he wouldn't have got the cross in (or might have had to work harder to retrieve the opportunity. i'm still smarting from the winning goal burton scored at the pirelli after an "accidental" handball.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: chesteralty on February 05, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
If Boro had 'scored' that goal last season it would have been disallowed. Very timely change of the rules!

For me the most nerve racking part of the night was watching Duncan take his penalty. He stuck it in the corner like the pro he is though.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on February 05, 2022, 06:01:53 PM
As the ball bounced off his thigh onto his hand (which was in an understandable position) it could not,  in the circumstances and applying the current interpretation, be given as handball
You are correct in your assertion had the ball gone into the net directly from Duncan.
Arguably not a perfect scenario but too many goals were being disallowed before often on a technicality after accidental/incidental handballs
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: Ian Harwood (Hale Alty) on February 06, 2022, 10:14:33 AM
the rule does need to be rewritten to make a distinction between gaining control from an accidental handball and the ball accidentally hitting the hand or arm on the way somewhere else.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on February 06, 2022, 11:15:20 AM
No Ian

We need to return to a previous interpretation where handball was "in the opinion of the referee" rather than the proscribed interpretations of recent times
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on February 06, 2022, 11:50:36 AM
No Ian

We need to return to a previous interpretation where handball was "in the opinion of the referee" rather than the proscribed interpretations of recent times

While I agree with you in principle, a lot of what went on in our game yesterday only demonstrates how perverse a referee's opinion can sometimes be. And as for his assistant on the popular side, words fail me !
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: CRT Butty on February 06, 2022, 12:11:47 PM
Hats off to all refs without whom there'd be no game.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: JD on February 06, 2022, 10:46:28 PM
Hats off to all refs without whom there'd be no game.

Well said. I couldn't do it!

I watched the Stretford Paddock review of the game which finished with the words "What more can you do!"

With the kind information from Phil Taylor I tried to explain the ruling to them, but they weren't having it!
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: rorysgrandad on February 08, 2022, 11:50:09 AM
No Ian

We need to return to a previous interpretation where handball was "in the opinion of the referee" rather than the proscribed interpretations of recent times
This is very dangerous ground. There is going to be consistent inconsistency as one refs handball is another refs play on. It’s why any game embraces legislation in the form of rules in the quest for consistency. There is of course the refs interpretation of those rules which will always be open to debate and heated discussions on the official’s parentage.
Title: Re: Duncan.
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on February 08, 2022, 02:58:18 PM
I accept your point but that is really how handball interpretation was handled for many years.

The clear advantage resulting from the incident in question would, to most Referees have resulted in the goal being disallowed with a free kick going to Man United.
Not an ideal circumstance but percentage wise returning to the system I previously detailed would, IMO, produce more satisfactory outcomes