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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: DavidP on November 19, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
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After today game I feel we need to get rid of all the defence and get some leadership into the team. I never saw anyone barking at the others players to get them going but I did see that from glouscester and well well they won. At least get Robbie lawton into the site until we can get some leaders in the team.
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To be fair lynch was good today, Flynn needs to be dropped as he is far to slow and doesn't win enough headers for me. What has become apparent is our shocking lack of pace at the back and our work rate when we HAVE the ball no passes on. I think its unfair to judge redshaw. Tactics in the first half were weird.
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Totally agree with all that. I have to pinch myself to believe our manager is an ex professional defender. Lynch is too slow to be a rb, brown gets worse by the match amd neither cb could lead a funeral march. What has happened to Ant too? I've laid off Twiss this season, but today he was at his ineffective worse and I missed Dale. On a brighter note, the subs including Williams did try and we improved. Next week we will lose unless a new defence is found en masse.
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The difference was first half Gloucester closed everything down. How many times did we see three Gloucester players round the Alty man with the ball? When they had the ball we just stood ten feet away to wait to see what they did with it. Twiss's hold up play didn't produce any lay-offs. Have Twiss and Reeves been introduced? Reeves did well to get man of the match. Second-half with some pace in the side Gloucester started to stand off more. Their cynicism and time-wasting is not something I hope we'll see much of at this level. The time-wasting was the worst I've seen since Woking and they are the nastiest team we've seen since Vauxhall. We need to harden up a bit.
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They did have 4 men around us when we had the ball, where were the 3 alty men that were free. They should have been working hard to make an option for the lad with the ball! I would play lynch at centre back at least he has a turn of pace! God knows who else I would play with him in there
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Defence awful today, Brown and Flynn the worst culprits. First half 4-3-3 didn't work, why change the forward line if its been working at home, its away the formation needs changing! If we don't get a new left back and centre half soon the season will be over.
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Game of two halves.
First half we were clueless.
Second half we played with width, well at least sometimes when the players lifted their head to have a look around the pitch.
The tunnel vision of some of the team is so obvious at times.
Balls over the top to Redshaw never going to work. Balls played wide for wide men and Redshaw to link up did.
What is evident is the team in the first half were not up forthe game. Too slow, no bite, no desire. Second half that changed. We need desire for 90 minutes to win matches.
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What is evident is the team in the first half were not up forthe game. Too slow, no bite, no desire. Second half that changed. We need desire for 90 minutes to win matches.
This is what I find most disturbing of all. Eddie Hussin would never have stood for this in 2004/05 and that is the kind of personality we need to keep the players on their toes and lead them on the pitch.
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They did have 4 men around us when we had the ball, where were the 3 alty men that were free. They should have been working hard to make an option for the lad with the ball! I would play lynch at centre back at least he has a turn of pace! God knows who else I would play with him in there
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Are you Chris Lynch ?.........second post singing his praises....he was skinned so many times today by his lack of pace that I lost count. When playing full back he dare not get too far forward in case he needs to get back......best position on centre mid
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They did have 4 men around us when we had the ball, where were the 3 alty men that were free. They should have been working hard to make an option for the lad with the ball! I would play lynch at centre back at least he has a turn of pace! God knows who else I would play with him in there
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Are you Chris Lynch ?.........second post singing his praises....he was skinned so many times today by his lack of pace that I lost count. When playing full back he dare not get too far forward in case he needs to get back......best position on centre mid
I thought Lynch was particularly poor today. His passing persistently sideways or backwards was like Ray Wilkins at his worst, and when there were openings he could move into down the wing he ignored them.
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Nobody takes control verbally or physically, Defence is a fkn shambles, 433 wasnt the solution, No passion (again) f**k all desire It was like Worcester away take two..
For f**k sake lads take some pride in the shirt or Piss off.
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What is evident is the team in the first half were not up forthe game. Too slow, no bite, no desire. Second half that changed. We need desire for 90 minutes to win matches.
This is what I find most disturbing of all. Eddie Hussin would never have stood for this in 2004/05 and that is the kind of personality we need to keep the players on their toes and lead them on the pitch.
This.
I wasn't around in 2005... But for god sake let's have a leader, someone who when things don't go to plan can say "come on let's f'ing do this!" and rally the troops! This is what we are current missing
No disrespect to danylyk or densmore but you aren't leaders, and we need a centre midfield to lead with passion and whose prepared to run through brick Walls for 3 points
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I suggest you know nothing about leadership. It doesn't take shouting and bawling to lead a team. Encouragement of players by their peers is often more productive than the blame culture and pointing figures etc. let's talk about the easy goals the keeper presented them with and we might actually start agreeing about the root cause of the problem. Once again we see a contrast in keepers, theirs who is mobile and quick off the line to assist the defence and ours who remains rooted, panics and causes lack of confidence in the defence who should be able to use the keeper as a viable outlet when under pressure. It's time to look for some real competition for the no.1 jersey. I will not take anything away from the heroism of the past exploits of Stuart but sometimes you need to take the difficult decision and move on for the benefit of the whole team.
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Total shambles i'm afraid. Dont know why we went to the 4-3-3 when our home form was so good? As poor as Williams has been I'd rather have him in than Flynn, who looks uninterested aswell as slower than Paul Jones.
God knows what formation we'll see next Sunday but I'd go 4-5-1 and keep it tight.
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I feel another crisis meeting coming on?
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we dont need another meeting,we need the manager, that made a career as a centre back to see what the supporters, and now oppostion managers are seeing,the defence is dreadful. Weve got brown god love him who trys 100% every game, but is just not up to it.Flynn who hasnt had a decent game for us and is far to slow, two lads that were in a hyde defence that shipped 80 odd goals last season, and willliams back on loan who isnt good enough either.Footballs about tough decisions we need urgent action at the back, and also in midfield, how we can go from being on the edge of their box, to conceeding in a matter of seconds is scandelous.Its that obvious we will lose next week, that we probably wont if that makes sense... We just need them to be sh*tter than us, and then start a rebuilding job at the back and try to resurect a season thats hanging in the balance.
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I suggest you know nothing about leadership. It doesn't take shouting and bawling to lead a team. Encouragement of players by their peers is often more productive than the blame culture and pointing figures etc. let's talk about the easy goals the keeper presented them with and we might actually start agreeing about the root cause of the problem. Once again we see a contrast in keepers, theirs who is mobile and quick off the line to assist the defence and ours who remains rooted, panics and causes lack of confidence in the defence who should be able to use the keeper as a viable outlet when under pressure. It's time to look for some real competition for the no.1 jersey. I will not take anything away from the heroism of the past exploits of Stuart but sometimes you need to take the difficult decision and move on for the benefit of the whole team.
coburn was not at fault for either of todays goals
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I suggest you know nothing about leadership. It doesn't take shouting and bawling to lead a team. Encouragement of players by their peers is often more productive than the blame culture and pointing figures etc. let's talk about the easy goals the keeper presented them with and we might actually start agreeing about the root cause of the problem. Once again we see a contrast in keepers, theirs who is mobile and quick off the line to assist the defence and ours who remains rooted, panics and causes lack of confidence in the defence who should be able to use the keeper as a viable outlet when under pressure. It's time to look for some real competition for the no.1 jersey. I will not take anything away from the heroism of the past exploits of Stuart but sometimes you need to take the difficult decision and move on for the benefit of the whole team.
coburn was not at fault for either of todays goals
Having now seen the video evidence (I can't bring myself to call them "highlights") I absolutely agree that Coburn was not to blame. In fact, he was left horribly exposed for both goals by our swiss cheese defence.
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I suggest you know nothing about leadership. It doesn't take shouting and bawling to lead a team. Encouragement of players by their peers is often more productive than the blame culture and pointing figures etc. let's talk about the easy goals the keeper presented them with and we might actually start agreeing about the root cause of the problem. Once again we see a contrast in keepers, theirs who is mobile and quick off the line to assist the defence and ours who remains rooted, panics and causes lack of confidence in the defence who should be able to use the keeper as a viable outlet when under pressure. It's time to look for some real competition for the no.1 jersey. I will not take anything away from the heroism of the past exploits of Stuart but sometimes you need to take the difficult decision and move on for the benefit of the whole team.
coburn was not at fault for either of todays goals
Having now seen the video evidence (I can't bring myself to call them "highlights") I absolutely agree that Coburn was not to blame. In fact, he was left horribly exposed for both goals by our swiss cheese defence.
ha ha swiss cheese defence that has tickled me
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its how we go from the edge of their box to conceeding that is so very disappointing,we will always score goals, but we are so lightweight in the middle and slow at the back, its frightening.
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Sinnott needs to come out aned tell us what he intends to do with the defence ie releasing a couple of players and bringing a couple in
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Nonleaguer seems to have an issue with Stuart for some reason, not much he could have done about either goal today. Imagine how he feels playing behind that every week.
Why someone would pick on him with the rest of the cumbersome sh*t to go at is beyond me.
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Im not bothered if the manager comes out and tells us what his intentions are or not, but action needs taking now. theyve had over a 1/4 of a season to prove their worth.Its not happening.Its all very well trying to take positives out of games etc, but we are miles off the level we should expect in this league,its a promotion chasing forward line but other than that, moderate to poor...
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Once again we concede an early goal.
Once again we allow a team which does not contain superior footballers but displays a greater 'brightness' to consolidate.
Once again we look much better after half time.
Not for the first time nor the last I suspect I wonder whether the fundamental problem lies with our pre match preparation both mental and physical.
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Unlike many on this forum I stand by my view that Stuart is not as confident as he may have once been. I will defend my views that his kicks far too often go into touch, he remains rooted to the line and is somewhat slow off the blocks, case in point yesterday was the incident where granted he was sold a little short but in the split second he wavered, he then had to rashly fell their attacker with a late follow through that could have quite easily resulted in a red card when the player subsequently needed treatment.
Realistically at present we have not seen a credible alternative option to push Stuart so he is under no pressure like other areas of the squad.
You are only as good as your last game and past history holds nothing for me,
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If Clee and Lawrie weren't fit enough to start then fair enough. If otherwise it nust be regarded as a major tactical blunder to change a (home) winning formula and start Redshaw and Richman who are not proven.
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its how we go from the edge of their box to conceeding that is so very disappointing,
it's beyond disappointing, it was embarrassing. it took Gloucester 20 seconds from winning the ball on the edge of their 18 yard box to scoring.
We really struggle to defend against any team that plays fast, direct counter attacking football. There is no sense of leadership, positioning, communication or pace amongst the back four. Both goals are very similar - Gloucester pump the ball into the channels, flicked it into the box, where the striker gets a one-on-one with the keeper. Basics.
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Total shambles i'm afraid. Dont know why we went to the 4-3-3 when our home form was so good? As poor as Williams has been I'd rather have him in than Flynn, who looks uninterested aswell as slower than Paul Jones.
God knows what formation we'll see next Sunday but I'd go 4-5-1 and keep it tight.
In my opinion I think I know why we went 4-3-3. Nothing to do with tactics, nothing to do with availability of players, it was done to pacify the forum members shouting from the rooftops that Redshaw is what we need upfront despite us being one of the leagues leading goalscores and of course Jack scoring a hat-trick. Cant drop Twiss or Reeves so lets play 4-3-3.
Imho Jack is not the answer - at least not yet, but I can see he will be a great player if we can hold on to him.
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If Clee and Lawrie weren't fit enough to start then fair enough. If otherwise it nust be regarded as a major tactical blunder to change a (home) winning formula and start Redshaw and Richman who are not proven.
was told clee had recovered from being ill earlier in the week, and lawrie was tatical
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Unlike many on this forum I stand by my view that Stuart is not as confident as he may have once been. I will defend my views that his kicks far too often go into touch, he remains rooted to the line and is somewhat slow off the blocks, case in point yesterday was the incident where granted he was sold a little short but in the split second he wavered, he then had to rashly fell their attacker with a late follow through that could have quite easily resulted in a red card when the player subsequently needed treatment.
Realistically at present we have not seen a credible alternative option to push Stuart so he is under no pressure like other areas of the squad.
You are only as good as your last game and past history holds nothing for me,
I here what your saying and i dont blame you for sticking to your guns why the hell not i say?
Howver at times on this forum we seem keen to have a go at our most loyal of players (i am not for a minute suggesting they are immune to criticisim) which i find odd
It happened with Little a while before he left people saying he was finished at the level etc etc
People like Coburn actually care and for me thats massively important- some of this team dont seem to give a sh*t when they pull the top on that is more of a concern to me at present
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Unlike many on this forum I stand by my view that Stuart is not as confident as he may have once been. I will defend my views that his kicks far too often go into touch, he remains rooted to the line and is somewhat slow off the blocks, case in point yesterday was the incident where granted he was sold a little short but in the split second he wavered, he then had to rashly fell their attacker with a late follow through that could have quite easily resulted in a red card when the player subsequently needed treatment.
Realistically at present we have not seen a credible alternative option to push Stuart so he is under no pressure like other areas of the squad.
You are only as good as your last game and past history holds nothing for me,
I here what your saying and i dont blame you for sticking to your guns why the hell not i say?
Howver at times on this forum we seem keen to have a go at our most loyal of players (i am not for a minute suggesting they are immune to criticisim) which i find odd
It happened with Little a while before he left people saying he was finished at the level etc etc
People like Coburn actually care and for me thats massively important- some of this team dont seem to give a sh*t when they pull the top on that is more of a concern to me at present
A comment that equally applied to Robbie Lawton !
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I think nonleaguer is being slightly harsh. I agree, and Stuart probably would too, that's he's not quite the magnificent keeper he was in his twenties, he's 35+ and has had injuries, although for a keeper he may still have another 2 or 3 years in him (or 20 if he's Paul Bastock).
However he still has class and experience and seniority which whilst history doesn't hold much for some people is still important. He will be frustrated at playing behind some of the defending that has gone on recently.
In short, Stuart is the least of our problems at the moment, if a young excellent keeper became available then yes but for now we've got problems every elsewhere that need sorting out as a priority.