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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on January 28, 2009, 08:11:31 PM
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They might muster a few punters at this rate, im sure the trusts money could be better spent elsewhere, like giving somthing to some of the many creditors.
Better make sure we turn out in numbers then.....
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Jesus wept..is this real?
Priorities anyone?
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Is it free travel or are they going to hire,and not pay????
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Last club to make such a gesture, anybody?
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Halifax Town F.C. - they could very well be heading down the same route!
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Financial issues aside, if people need the incentive of free travel to get from Northwich to Alty they must be massive pikeys!!
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The Vics board have got hold of some hookey bicycles! First come first served!
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Jesus wept..is this real?
Priorities anyone?
You do realise that this is being funded by the Trust and not the club don't you?
...and Hughesy are you seriously suggesting that the Trust should pay off the club's creditors?
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Have a pop at the club hierachy, their financial mismanagement has no defence, deserves all the criticism you care to muster. The free bus offer however is a Trust iniative, and the bill for it WILL be met by the Trust and most likely will need to be settled in advance thanks to the poor financial stewardship of others, past and present.
The Trust along with supporters iniatives such as the sponsored walk to Alty on NYD ensured that some of us within the club were prepared to make financial repairations to York (in full I believe) and pay off some of the money owed to Telford. I'd be the first to admit not the perfect solution, but those individuals at least recognised their responsibilities, unlike some.
So do me one favour and cut the smartarse comments about the Trust, it is at least the one organisation within the club who can hold its head a little higher, in these sad and somewhat embarrassing at times, dark days. Credit where credit due hey?
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If your trust had any real substance, they would try and start to rebuild some goodwill within your locality and it would offer any/some of money it has to spare to those small local businesses left out of pocket by your shambles of a football club,not spend it putting free buses on to a derby match11 miles away for those that could easliy pay their own way to get here.Its 5 quid on the train for f**k sake.
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Jesus wept..is this real?
Priorities anyone?
You do realise that this is being funded by the Trust and not the club don't you?
...and Hughesy are you seriously suggesting that the Trust should pay off the club's creditors?
I do realise that yes.
And I am pretty sure there are 101 better things you could do with that money than subsidise travel to a match that 30 of your fans walked to!
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If your trust had any real substance, they would try and start to rebuild some goodwill within your locality and it would offer any/some of money it has to spare to those small local businesses left out of pocket by your shambles of a football club,not spend it putting free buses on to a derby match11 miles away for those that could easliy pay their own way to get here.Its 5 quid on the train for f**k sake.
Give over you self-opinionated prick.
4 Vics fans walked to Wrexham yesterday to raise money for the Jacob Marslands fund. Jacob Marsland being a 6 year old Northwich lad who recently lost his fight against cancer. Throughout his season, fans have been undertaking various events to raise money for local and national charities. I have a £300 cheque which I shall be paying in to I-CAN this week. http://www.ican.org.uk/. Check it out, you might learn something worthwhile. It'll do you more good than reading or writing the typical bile you post on here and on the Conference Forum.
The Trust, as individuals, and as body, have backed these initiatives.
You know as well as we do that Mike Connett and not the football club left local businesses out of pocket. Now get your head out of your arse.
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Jesus wept..is this real?
Priorities anyone?
You do realise that this is being funded by the Trust and not the club don't you?
...and Hughesy are you seriously suggesting that the Trust should pay off the club's creditors?
I do realise that yes.
And I am pretty sure there are 101 better things you could do with that money than subsidise travel to a match that 30 of your fans walked to!
30 fans! ;D
Typical Alty inflating "attendance" figures.
It was 17 of us. You don't usually worry about facts though.
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Jesus wept..is this real?
Priorities anyone?
You do realise that this is being funded by the Trust and not the club don't you?
...and Hughesy are you seriously suggesting that the Trust should pay off the club's creditors?
I do realise that yes.
And I am pretty sure there are 101 better things you could do with that money than subsidise travel to a match that 30 of your fans walked to!
30 fans! ;D
Typical Alty inflating "attendance" figures.
It was 17 of us. You don't usually worry about facts though.
Arsed how many it was. Doesn't change the point.
That coach will cost you about £350....that could pay your new striker for just under three days
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Please remember the Northwich Victoria supporters, who completed their sponsored walk from Northwich to Altrincham on New Years Day, were met by Altrincham FC officials including Graham Heathcote.
Says it all Little CamVic and I have to say its a sad state of affairs having to use our ground after being locked out. I hope you sort it out but I think your in for the long haul myself.
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I really applaud the Vics Trust for this.
If it means that some more fans who maybe, in this time of financial constraint would be unable to attend a game ,can get to one ,and a derby at that, then all the better. After all it's us that benefit financially from every fan through the gate is it not?
Why would you expect an organisation which has reportedly paid players and also some creditors to allow the team to carry on playing to clear the debts of an allegedly corrupt individual (aka the Walrus)?
It's really easy to be critical of the current administration and, indeed they may prove to be as much use as a chocolate teapot BUT there are certain parallels to be drawn between Vics and Runcorn when they went to the Halton Stadium. If all your gate money is being handed over to a despot to pay rent and you aint getting much else in the way of revenue then where does the money come from?
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It will be great if it gets us more twelve quids through the gate of course.
Runcorn struggle was a genuine one, not the pantomine that Vics is. Can never remember Runcorn offering the wages that Vics are at the moment.
You're either struggling or you're not.
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Please remember the Northwich Victoria supporters, who completed their sponsored walk from Northwich to Altrincham on New Years Day, were met by Altrincham FC officials including Graham Heathcote.
Says it all Little CamVic and I have to say its a sad state of affairs having to use our ground after being locked out. I hope you sort it out but I think your in for the long haul myself.
I shan't forget, I was one of them. I had a gut instinct to duck when I walked passed him. Can't think why that was.
Probably not a long-haul though. We'll implode sooner rather than later and will do what we should have done when Connett left.
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This is a matter for their trust and trust members.....looking on their forum I was surprised to see no dissent from members as I would expect had we done the same.
This is one 49 seater perhaps a 77 seater if there is enough demand....would they not have filled a coach anyway???
We did this at Alty to a lesser extent by subsidising a few away trips I think but
a) There was nothing imediately urgent to spend the money on
b) There was a kind of busines plan behind it to encourage future use of what had been a break even service that benefitted the team greatly.
Even then we had a few dissenting voices asking why members were subsidising travel.
I'd have thought a better plan for Vics trust if they wanted a bigger support at Alty would have been to organise a car sharing convoy which would have achieved the same at no cost....in fact it may have made money if some petrol money was donated into the fund.....If they used it as a celebration of Beacvonett's winding up convoy they could have guaranteed a bumper turn out and a bit of media attention to get back at connett...........
That's probably too sensible to get past a committee though.
Vics trust has earned a lot of respect for their efforts in paying off Telford etc and the charities noted above....great stuff.....no points or kudos on this coach to Alty from me though but it's their business (doesn't mean we cannot comment on it though)
Madness!!!
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Vics trust has earned a lot of respect for their efforts in paying off Telford etc and the charities noted above....great stuff.....no points or kudos on this coach to Alty from me though but it's their business (doesn't mean we cannot comment on it though)
Quite right Jezza but to suggest, as Hughesy did, that the Trust stump up money to pay off some of the club's local creditors (reality being that they were of MC's making) was just ridiculous and it very much came across as "there's little else to have a go at NVFC about now - especially as their fans agree - so let's start having snide digs at their Trust instead".
As a Trust member I have no problems with them spending a few hundred quid to get more Vics fans to Moss Lane on Tuesday. We voted the board on to make such decisions on our behalf and subsidised travel is nothing new at Vics. I never benefit from it as I travel up to matches from Cambridge but I'm happy that some, and it's usually our younger fans, can.
It should mean there'll be more people through your turnstiles than there might have been. Is that not more worthy of discussion than decisions made by our Trust?
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little camvic i do hope Northwich do servive,my grandfather played for them and they are one of the if not the oldest clubs going.good luck to the trust.Just dont beat us next Tuesday
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As lcv says the more that turn up, the more income for the club.
I say "bring it on"
It should be a good game/atmosphere.
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Does this also mean any Alty fans in the near vicinity of Northwich can also get on the buses & travel FREE ?
Would be funny though if a load of Alty fans went to Northwich on the train & got on the Free coaches to Moss Lane.
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Has the Vics Trust considered hiring a Go Goodwin's coach for next Tuesday....?
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Quite right Jezza but to suggest, as Hughesy did, that the Trust stump up money to pay off some of the club's local creditors (reality being that they were of MC's making) was just ridiculous and it very much came across as "there's little else to have a go at NVFC about now - especially as their fans agree - so let's start having snide digs at their Trust instead".
I think your comments in relation to charity work carried out by your trust memebers are in poor taste,there is no connection with those admirable achievments and anything I mentioned in earlier posts.And theres plenty enough to have a go at NVFC about, and Im not having a go at your trust,I just find using precious cash to give supporters free lifts to the nearest game of the season a bit crass under the current circumstances.And also dont tell me all your creditors are the fault mike connett,yes he ran up huge bills, but some of those unpaid since september last year were people bought in since the lastest ownership were at the helm.........
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Has the Vics Trust considered hiring a Go Goodwin's coach for next Tuesday....?
Would that result in signed photos of Vics players being hung up in the Noel White Suite? ;)
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I think your comments in relation to charity work carried out by your trust memebers are in poor taste,there is no connection with those admirable achievments and anything I mentioned in earlier posts.And theres plenty enough to have a go at NVFC about, and Im not having a go at your trust,I just find using precious cash to give supporters free lifts to the nearest game of the season a bit crass under the current circumstances.And also dont tell me all your creditors are the fault mike connett,yes he ran up huge bills, but some of those unpaid since september last year were people bought in since the lastest ownership were at the helm.........
Crass? You're having a laugh aren't you?
Why on earth is it crass that a supporters' Trust which is completely independent of the club (as Mike Connett went to great lengths to point out) and its debts subsidises travel to a game.
It is not the duty of the Trust or the fans to pay off creditors.
You make some good points at time. This isn't one of those times I'm afraid.
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It is not the duty of the Trust or the fans to pay off creditors.
Whilst this is basically true, I would have thought the Trust's money would have been better spent on trying to secure the future of the club. If your club (god forbid) ceases to exist in the summer, would you not look back and question the fact that the trust had spent what little money it had on coach travel for fans?
I mean that in the nicest possible way - surely securing the future of the club is the number one priority?
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It is not the duty of the Trust or the fans to pay off creditors.
Whilst this is basically true, I would have thought the Trust's money would have been better spent on trying to secure the future of the club. If your club (god forbid) ceases to exist in the summer, would you not look back and question the fact that the trust had spent what little money it had on coach travel for fans?
I mean that in the nicest possible way - surely securing the future of the club is the number one priority?
Do you mean by handing over what it has in its coffers?
Not on your nelly.
I'm of the opinion that the future of NVFC is via an AFC Northwich (or whatever - hopefully a better name). Handing over the Trust funds would be one surefire way of ensuring we don't see a club bearing the Northwich name again.
But then, as the sycophants keep saying, I could always just "keep the faith". ::)
Anyhoos, apols for ranting on your forum - 'sure you've got better things to do than read about our woes!
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If the real fans vision for the future is a new club then I understand why you wouldn't want to hand over your hard-earned cash to the existing club.
Surely then supporting the existing club is just wasting valuable time? Maybe it's time to show your intent and start laying the foundations for the new club in time for next season?
Seriously, if you, as fans, see NVFC (2004) as that much of a dead duck the "free coach travel" money would surely be better spent on forming NVFC (2009)?
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Why do you say that littlecam.
We do actually care what happens to vics, you are one of our major arch rivals, who I myself have watched regularly for the last 33 years when we have been in the same league. I always have, and still do look out for our fixtures and as said in a previous thread, would hate to see the demise of your club. This thread is for the use of anybody with an opinion about something, including our arch rivals. There are lessons to be learnt for all clubs, and from what we can see, you aint the only one in the Conference with major problems.
I hope you get them sorted cos I and others at Alty do not want to be denied the chance to watch you and our team play. Good luck to you all, and remember if no one is interested in what happens at Vics, we would not have replied to your thread.
Best of luck once again - Steve from Sale
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However, surely it would be far more beneficial for them to arrange free travel to one of their home games? Sounds like a stupid, tongue in cheek idea but seriously, why let fans put money into our club when the extra few who may see this offer and take it up could, just as easily pay for a Northwich 'home' game, giving their club an extra hundred quid or so?
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Quite right Jezza but to suggest, as Hughesy did, that the Trust stump up money to pay off some of the club's local creditors (reality being that they were of MC's making) was just ridiculous and it very much came across as "there's little else to have a go at NVFC about now - especially as their fans agree - so let's start having snide digs at their Trust instead".
As a Trust member I have no problems with them spending a few hundred quid to get more Vics fans to Moss Lane on Tuesday. We voted the board on to make such decisions on our behalf and subsidised travel is nothing new at Vics. I never benefit from it as I travel up to matches from Cambridge but I'm happy that some, and it's usually our younger fans, can.
I think the point Hughesy was making about rebuilding goodwill was (and I appreciate the irony of this with regards to Geoff Goodwin) was that, clearly at some point you probably screwed over a local coach company by not paying them when you became NVFC 2004 Ltd. Now you say it is not the trusts responsibilty to pay current creditors but it would be a good idea for the Trust to go to that particular company and say "Look sorry you got screwed over, thank you for dealing with our club, we're the NV Trust, here's x amount for the coach up front and I dunno x amount for however much you were screwed over"...
Rebuilding bridges and all that.
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Rebuilding bridges and all that.
The Trust hasn't burnt any bridges and its relationship with local companies and the community is good. People are capable of drawing the distinction between the football club and the Trust.
You are right that the coach companies didn't do well out of Vics; I believe MC never paid a penny to the companies who ran the 30 coaches to Sunderland (at least he was consisent with his payment schedules ::)), however like I've said, that's not for the Trust to sort out. Their gripe is not with the Trust. What you say is certainly an idea, and what I say is another one. Perhaps it's something Jim Rushe might want to look into...along with quite a few other things....I won't hold my breathe though.
Anyway it turns out that the away travel club had already paid for the cancelled NYD. The travel club is run on a non-profit basis and they obviously saw it as a chance to reward the group of fans who travel up and down the country watching the team week in and week out.
Having just seen your link about travel to Torquay at £35 a pop :o it might be worth mentioning that the Trust ran a bus to Weymouth last week, charged £16 and still made a profit. Is a Goodwins coach ALWAYS the best option for your fans?
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An executive coach or a minibus?
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An executive coach or a minibus?
You know it's a minibus Mark but personally I'd rather pay £16 for an minibus than £35 for an executive coach. I'm a football fan, not a frigging ballet fan.
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Well thats only a bus in name to be fair,Its a transit van with seats in the back.Not being funny,but I'd gladly pay £20 more to have a comfortable reclining seat,on an air conditioned coach with a decent sized washroom and a dvd player on board and hot drinks facilites for a 6 hour trek to torquay.Plus If I ran a 16 seater minibus to weymouth, I could do it for a damn site cheaper than £16 a pop! Im not surpised they still made a profit,I could get you the bus for £80 and get you their on back on £80 of fuel!
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And also,the majority of vics fans probably qualify for free minibus travel aswell
(http://www.icteachers.co.uk/photos/photos/sunshinecoach.jpg)
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Well thats only a bus in name to be fair,Its a transit van with seats in the back.Not being funny,but I'd gladly pay £20 more to have a comfortable reclining seat,on an air conditioned coach with a decent sized washroom and a dvd player on board and hot drinks facilites for a 6 hour trek to torquay.Plus If I ran a 16 seater minibus to weymouth, I could do it for a damn site cheaper than £16 a pop! Im not surpised they still made a profit,I could get you the bus for £80 and get you their on back on £80 of fuel!
You're making the assumption that you'd fill it and that all have to pay to the full price! ;) .
...and like a say, I'm a football fan. I'll leave the executive coaches to the ponces of this world. :-*
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An executive coach or a minibus?
You know it's a minibus Mark but personally I'd rather pay £16 for an minibus than £35 for an executive coach. I'm a football fan, not a frigging ballet fan.
I didn't actually. I thought if it was then you wouldn't be ridiculous enough to compare a virtually new 7 litre coach with 2 drivers, toilet, dvd and air conditioning to an old ford bedford driven by Steve from down the road.
The cost of hire of a minibus is £99. As hughsey says the fuel would be £100 tops. You don't need to be Alan Sugar to make a profit on that.
And it you tell me its not very uncomfortable sitting on a minibus for 10 hours in a day then you are not being honest.
If we have low numbers Tom would do a minibus just past the midlands but many of our regulars feel unable to travel further than that on it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/alistairk/Spots2008/18072008693.jpg)
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If you're happy paying £35 then there isn't an issue (for you anyway). I was merely asking the question if it's always the best option.
Could be that some fans miss out though because they can't afford to stump up that much.